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Angus
08-18-2008, 05:03 PM
I don't know anything about the Canada Free Press or Cliff Kincaid, but this very long article makes disturbing accusations.

:eek:

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Black Rage, Drugs, and a Communist Mentor
Obama’s Communist Cover-up Continues
By Cliff Kincaid Monday, August 18, 2008

In a surprising admission that could become a major scandal in the presidential race, Barack Obama’s 40-page so-called “rebuttal” to Jerome Corsi’s book, The Obama Nation, acknowledges for the first time that the senator once had a personal relationship with identified Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis, a key high-level operative in a Soviet-sponsored network in Hawaii.

But the 40-page report, advertised and sold to the media as a refutation of Corsi’s “lies,” doesn’t identify Davis as a hard-core communist and it dishonestly edits an article about Davis to eliminate references to his admitted involvement in CPUSA activities and make the black revolutionary writer and “poet” look like a civil rights activist.

In fact, Davis was a secret CPUSA member who continued his involvement in the CPUSA or its front activities into the 1970s, when he became Barack Obama’s mentor in Hawaii. Corsi’s book devotes part of chapter three, “Black Rage, Drugs, and a Communist Mentor,” to Davis.

This official Obama campaign cover-up, which attempts to further mislead voters about Obama’s mysterious and controversial background, occurs as serious questions are being raised about Obama’s initial soft line toward the Russian invasion of Georgia. In his first statement on the crisis, Obama failed to directly condemn the Russian invasion. Obama “did not directly blame Russia” for the crisis, the New York Times acknowledged.

Did Obama’s position reflect inexperience in foreign affairs, the influence of advisers, or an ideological tendency to take Russia’s side in global affairs against the U.S. and its allies?

According to the editor of Davis’s books, John Edgar Tidwell, Davis was not only a secret CPUSA member but tried to recruit a prominent poet to the CPUSA. It’s not known if he tried to recruit Obama because the major media refuse to question Obama about his relationship with Davis, and Davis died in 1987.

Curiously, Tidwell, who has access to Davis’s FBI file and his personal papers, has refused to talk about Davis, even to a sympathetic reporter from the Associated Press, saying Davis has been victimized by McCarthyite “smear tactics.” The AP story refused to identify Davis as a CPUSA member and described him only as a “left-leaning” poet and journalist.

For his part, Davis appeared before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee in 1956, taking the Fifth Amendment when asked about his CPUSA activities. His lawyer was Hawaii lawyer Harriet Bouslog, another CPUSA member.

The same Senate subcommittee issued a report in 1956 declaring, “Founded in September 1919, the Communist Party of the United States of America is an organization unique in American history. It is not a true political party and differs fundamentally from all political parties in this country. It is in fact a Russian-inspired, Moscow-dominated, anti-American, quasi-military conspiracy against our Government, our ideals, and our freedoms.”

In 1982 testimony, FBI assistant director for intelligence Edward J. O’Malley testified that the CPUSA has been “one of the most loyal and pro-Soviet Communist Parties in the world and has unfalteringly accepted Soviet direction and funding over the years.”

The recent book, Comrade J, based on interviews with a Russian spymaster at the United Nations, documents that Soviet intelligence operations against the U.S. continued even as the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia emerged in its place.

Selective Editing
The Obama report admits that “Frank” was in fact Frank Marshall Davis—something AIM confirmed back in February. But in trying to rebut Corsi’s charge that Davis was a significant negative influence over Obama, the Obama report on page 10 quotes “an article on Davis” that describes him as being involved in the “labor movement” with other “African-American intellectuals” and committed to racial integration and harmony. No title or name of the author of the article is given. The article is simply identified as being from the Western Journal of Black Studies.

We found a copy through Questia, an online library of books and journals. The article, “Frank Marshall Davis: A Forgotten Voice in the Chicago Black Renaissance,” was written by Dr. Kathryn Takara, an Obama supporter who has been critical of Accuracy in Media’s attempt to document Davis’s involvement in the CPUSA and his mentorship of Obama. Takara is a radical poet herself, having written poems in honor of Communist Party member Angela Davis and convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal. She was recently quoted in an Associated Press article that portrayed Davis as a positive influence on Obama and ignored his CPUSA membership.

The pro-Davis quotes in the Takara article in the Western Journal of Black Studies, which are cited in the Obama report, are actually preceded by Davis’s own incriminating words, in which he says:

“From now on I knew I would be described as a Communist but frankly I had reached the stage where I didn’t give a damn. Too many people I respected as Freedom Fighters were listed as Red for me to fear name calling.”

These quotes are carefully omitted from the Obama report. Instead, the report only uses quotes that make it appear as though Davis was not an extremist of any sort.

The Obama report also ignores the Davis quotes in the article in which he talks about the “honor” of being targeted by the House Committee on Un-American Activities and upsetting “the white power structure.”

The Takara article acknowledges that Davis was investigated “due to his associates and involvement in what were considered in the forties to be radical communist groups.”

Davis in Hawaii</strong>

On the recommendation of two secret CPUSA members, Paul Robeson and labor leader Harry Bridges, Davis moved to Hawaii in 1948, where he would later become a member of what an official inquiry described as a secret communist underground organization.

Corsi’s book, which is supposedly “Unfit for Publication,” according to the Obama campaign, cites the congressional hearings and documents which identify Davis as a CPUSA member. It also quotes instances from Obama’s own book, Dreams From My Father, in which Obama talks about “Frank” giving him advice about various matters. For example, he tells Obama that blacks have a reason to hate whites. Davis also tells Obama that he should not believe the (expletive deleted) about the American way of life and that he was, in the final analysis, just “a ******” in America.

Takara’s article, written in 2002, acknowledges Davis’s deep involvement in communist activities. In one such instance, the article says:
“However, by the time he [Davis] returned to Chicago and the Renaissance, he inevitably associated with people connected with the [Communist] Party since they were most likely to be involved in civil rights, labor, art, and the fight for equality…it seems that Davis did join the party for a short time, although on other occasions he denied it.”

So here we have it: in an article cited by the Obama report as authoritative about Davis, he is acknowledged to have been a CPUSA member. But the Obama report doesn’t mention this key piece of information obviously because it confirms what Corsi reports in his book and what AIM has been reporting since February.

In another part of the article deliberately omitted by the Obama campaign, Takara notes that “Davis met Richard Wright through his 1936 participation in the National Negro Congress, which was alleged to be a Communist Front Organization.” Of course, the National Negro Congress was an identified CPUSA front.

Takara says that Davis had some contact with Wright over the years but that “Davis did not see Wright again after openly criticizing Wright’s attack of [sic] the Communist Party following the latter’s defection, although both men held on to the hope of equality.”

Indeed, Davis was so extreme that he attacked Wright for “treason” for breaking with and exposing the CPUSA. Again, none of this is included in the Obama report supposedly rebutting Corsi’s book.

<strong>CPUSA Fronts

In yet another part of the article the Obama report ignores, Takara writes that “Davis joined the League of American Writers, a national united front organization for the Communist Party mobilized by the alarming rise of power of Hitler and Mussolini.”

In fact, Davis signed a statement by the League of American Writers in June 1941 opposing war against Nazi Germany at a time of the Hitler-Stalin pact. This was a reflection of the CPUSA line. Davis went from anti-war to pro-war after the Nazis attacked Stalin.

So here we have it: another official acknowledgement by an Obama (and Davis) supporter that Davis was involved in a CPUSA front. But the Obama report doesn’t admit anything of the kind. In fact, Davis’s entire record of involvement in the CPUSA and its fronts is completely covered-up.
Which raises the question that we have asked on numerous occasions: why are Obama and his followers in the media ignoring his documented relationship with a CPUSA member? And why did Obama only refer to Davis as “Frank” in his book?

In an August 5 editorial, drawing heavily on material published by Accuracy in Media about the Obama-Davis relationship, Investor’s Business Daily took issue not only with the concealment of “Frank” in the Obama book but the recent dishonest Associated Press story about Davis and Obama. “If the relationship with Davis was as blasé as the Associated Press makes it sound, why is Obama mum about it? And why did he try to hide Davis’ identity in his first memoir, published in 1995?”

The paper said that Obama had written that “With the exception of my family and a handful of public figures, the names of most characters have been changed for the sake of privacy.” Investor’s Business Daily added, “But there was no need to protect Davis’ privacy. He had long been dead. More likely, the cryptic references to his communist mentor were—and still are— designed to protect Obama’s background from the scrutiny it deserves.”

The shocking thing is that this cover-up is continuing, in the form of the official Obama “Unfit for Publication” report attacking Corsi. The cover-up is now so blatant that an article that is generally sympathetic to Davis has been edited by the Obama campaign in order to delete references to Davis’s CPUSA activities.

There must be a deeper and darker secret, in terms of the relationship with Davis and those who knew him, that the Obama campaign is trying to keep hidden. Otherwise, it would immediately begin to disclose everything.

Gerald Horne, the writer for the CPUSA journal, Political Affairs, who first disclosed Davis’s relationship with Obama and his family, has told the Marxist publication that he is now writing “a history of the radical, Communist and working-class movement in Hawaii.” He explains, “It is not well known, I’m afraid, that before statehood in 1959 probably the most vigorous, communist and radical trade union movement under the U.S. flag was in Hawaii.”

Frank Marshall Davis was a remnant of that powerful movement.

“At some point in the future,” Horne said, in talking about Davis’s influence over Obama, “a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack’s memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis’ equally affecting memoir, ‘Living the Blues’…

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4517

Phrozen Phil
08-18-2008, 05:46 PM
Cliff Kincaid is a right wing looney who thought highly of Slobodan Milosevic. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.

DStaub
08-18-2008, 06:10 PM
Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, http://blogs.tampabay.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/28/castroobama.jpgIn his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations. link (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/) http://slipdisc.info/images/obama-smoking1.png

utrunner07
08-18-2008, 06:15 PM
Cliff Kincaid is a right wing looney who thought highly of Slobodan Milosevic. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.


Obama is a left wing looney who thought highly of Karl Marx. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.

BrAinPaiNt
08-18-2008, 07:33 PM
Cliff Kincaid is a right wing looney who thought highly of Slobodan Milosevic. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.

Sounds like that Loon Jerome Corsi.

Funny the people touting his book would not find him so credible if they knew he was a truther.

Bach
08-18-2008, 08:05 PM
Obama is a left wing looney who thought highly of Karl Marx. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.

:bow:

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 08:25 PM
Obama is a left wing looney who thought highly of Karl Marx. He has an agenda which would make most decent people want to vomit.



You're not paying attention if you don't think Marx had some good things to say. He wrote thousands of pages. Yes, he hated capitolism. But to say he didn't have any worhty ideas is, well, just stupid. That's why we have sociolgy, anthropology and a litany of other subjects which Marx made a huge impact on, academically.

I'm no Marxist, but to discount someone because they though highly of Marx (which I've seen no evidence that Barack has, officially) is flat out ignorant in and of itself.

But it's the popular thing to do... it's an old trick, though. Yet the right will ride the left = commie till the cows come home.

I'm a capitolist. J.S. Mill is my favorite philosopher, but I'm also a lot smarter having read Marx and Mill than just limiting my reading to Mill.

I'm sure as a scholar, Obama felt the same way.

It's easy to sit there and trash something that's not part of your social contructs. But it's hard to take the good from the bad and apply it when you're so stubborn and foolish to believe that everything written by Marx = commie bastid.

Bach
08-18-2008, 08:46 PM
Marxism = commie bastidism

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 08:52 PM
Marxism = commie bastidism

If you say so, but he had a lot of things to say about religion, human rights, civil rights, freedom, nationalism, patriotism... the list goes on.

But narrow it down to commie bastadism if it suits your agentda better.

bootsy
08-18-2008, 08:55 PM
More Obama scare tactics I see. It's a new one everyday and none of them have worked. They are gonna have him in room with the Boogieman and Big Foot tomorrow.

burmafrd
08-18-2008, 09:08 PM
benny, trying to use Marx to defend Obama is like some here were using Goering and others like that; just because psycho's occassionally say something smart means nothing. Marx had a incredibly flawed (as is admitted by those willing to discuss it) view of mankind and the world. So to use him in any way will never impress most people, and frankly hurts your argument.

DStaub
08-18-2008, 09:18 PM
Marxism = commie bastidism
http://home.satx.rr.com/staubdirectory/a_on_bike2.jpg
http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/images/groucho.jpg
Marxism = commie bastidism:rolleyes:

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 09:46 PM
benny, trying to use Marx to defend Obama is like some here were using Goering and others like that; just because psycho's occassionally say something smart means nothing. Marx had a incredibly flawed (as is admitted by those willing to discuss it) view of mankind and the world. So to use him in any way will never impress most people, and frankly hurts your argument.

What I was saying is that Marx is not taught in the same way Marx would teach his beliefs, wholly. And I agree he had flawed ideas and his teachings as a system would probably not work, as history has somewhat shown.

That said, the American school system teaches about Marx in a very different context--even in colleges and universities.

A lot of people, capitalists on both sides of the fence, view Marx's thoughts in high regard because of how SOME of his ideas apply to modern societies, groups of people and political beliefs.

That said, I'm saying exactly that no one philosopher, sociologist, political scientist, anthropologist has it right.... You have to take something from all of them--and they all wrote good and bad if you've ever cared to actually read them objectively and not just echo the Cajun Cowboy's of world squawkings about a bunch of nothing but names and vague, general, stereotypical ideas.

, some of you read only one source, the bible, for all of your perspective. Which is a lot more frieghtening than Marx.

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 09:52 PM
More Obama scare tactics I see. It's a new one everyday and none of them have worked. They are gonna have him in room with the Boogieman and Big Foot tomorrow.


..or painted riding a nuke like a cowboy on a horse. What was that crazy guy's name back from the cold war days?

That was pretty funny.

Bach
08-18-2008, 09:53 PM
, some of you read only one source, the bible, for all of your perspective. Which is a lot more frieghtening than Marx.

Spoken like a true commie.

the fake norm hitzges
08-18-2008, 09:57 PM
‘The Obama Nation’ by Jerome Corsi (Barack’s Marxist mentors and allies) (http://marklevinfan.com/?p=2787)


http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/images/TheObamaNation.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Nation-Jerome-R-Corsi/dp/1416598065/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t)
Friday night, Mark Levin spoke with Jerome Corsi about his just published book ‘The Obama Nation (http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Nation-Jerome-R-Corsi/dp/1416598065/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t)‘ which describes a good many of those who influenced, mentored, and allied with Barack Obama from high school to present day.

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/images/speaker.gif (http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/MLevin/c/Corsi08012008.wma)
While I think Corsi’s book is a must read and will pick up a copy Monday, I have already looked at a few of those he mentioned: Frank Marshall Davis (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-frank-marshall-davis-network-in-hawaii/), Frantz Fanon (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/f/a.htm#fanon-frantz), Jerry Kellman (http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=ZDQwYmNjMGIxNDYyZGE1ZDNmZTU1MjhmMzA0ZDlmY2M=), Alice Palmer (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020358.php), Saul Alinsky (http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=D6E27ECE-9798-4F01-A378-3F1405F69704), and Rashid Khalidi (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231), as well as Barack Obama’s connection’s to the Arab American Action Network (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/07/video-hannity-on-the-obama-khalidi-connection/) that he and William Ayers funded as board members for the Woods Foundation.
Each day, it becomes clearer to me that Barack Obama would be America’s first communist President (I will leave to others to politely refer to him as a Leftist).

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 10:07 PM
Spoken like a true commie.

Hallelujah. :bow: Amen, Brother! :fogeys: Lawd Lawd Lawd, bring the glory! :pray: And may God Bless Ah-mur-ik-uh!!! :banjo:

Phrozen Phil
08-18-2008, 11:48 PM
Spoken like a true commie.

Nice compliment, but it will get you nowhere. ...;)

Phrozen Phil
08-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Hallelujah. :bow: Amen, Brother! :fogeys: Lawd Lawd Lawd, bring the glory! :pray: And may God Bless Ah-mur-ik-uh!!! :banjo:

Careful. Some of these boys are short a chromosome or two. :p:

Ben_n_austin
08-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Careful. Some of these boys are short a chromosome or two. :p:

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson

Phrozen Phil
08-18-2008, 11:58 PM
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson

Good point. I'm just tired of dissent from the current administration being portrayed as treason.

Ben_n_austin
08-19-2008, 12:04 AM
Good point. I'm just tired of dissent from the current administration being portrayed as treason.

It's the same as it ever was. The right is content with playing the same mudslinging campaign tactic(s) such as crying foul about race cards to draw up an issue when there isn't one...and by golly, support every move W makes and we must endorse the Republicans--no matter if an ultra-liberal is their candidate, as long as he's Republican!

It's their schtick. But, fortunately, I think the public is smart enough to change gears at this point.

burmafrd
08-19-2008, 04:34 AM
Your hypocrisy is amazing, benny. The Left has been calling Bush vile names since he took office. Yet you ignore all that.

Bach
08-19-2008, 07:31 AM
Your hypocrisy is amazing, benny. The Left has been calling Bush vile names since he took office. Yet you ignore all that.

Ignore it? Heck, they're right in the middle of it.

BrAinPaiNt
08-19-2008, 08:27 AM
This is also Jerome Corsi...

Says impeach bush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRYzuLehT8)

Also a 9/11 Truther and slams pope (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCfI3VmL88)

Again against bush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsYz6xwFVTQ)

Hey...maybe this guy is not so bad after all.
:laugh2:

zrinkill
08-19-2008, 08:30 AM
, some of you read only one source, the bible, for all of your perspective. Which is a lot more frieghtening than Marx.

:lmao:

We now know which side Benny is on in the Georgia conflict .....

zrinkill
08-19-2008, 08:33 AM
This is also Jerome Corsi...

Says impeach bush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJRYzuLehT8)

Also a 9/11 Truther and slams pope (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCfI3VmL88)

Again against bush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsYz6xwFVTQ)

Hey...maybe this guy is not so bad after all.
:laugh2:


So he is as much of a kook as Benny and Franken ..... Sweet.

BrAinPaiNt
08-19-2008, 08:35 AM
So he is as much of a kook as Benny and Franken ..... Sweet.

Yeah...I can't get past the truther stuff. Those guys are really whacky.

Doomsday101
08-19-2008, 08:42 AM
This country becoming communist would clearly be a change.:laugh2:

zrinkill
08-19-2008, 08:57 AM
Yeah...I can't get past the truther stuff. Those guys are really whacky.

Got no argument from me ..... how anyone thinks in todays world you could do something like that is beyond me.

zrinkill
08-19-2008, 09:00 AM
This country becoming communist would clearly be a change.:laugh2:



For the record I do not think Obama is a communist ..... just think its funny how some of his followers will defend Marxism to defend him.

Obama has socialist ideas, even plans, no doubt ..... but he is not a communist.

Obama seems to be an idealist ....... which unfortunately usually leads to socialist programs.

Doomsday101
08-19-2008, 09:14 AM
For the record I do not think Obama is a communist ..... just think its funny how some of his followers will defend Marxism to defend him.

Obama has socialist ideas, even plans, no doubt ..... but he is not a communist.

Obama seems to be an idealist ....... which unfortunately usually leads to socialist programs.

I agree he is a leftwing socialistic inexperienced senator who has not even completed 1 term as a senator but he is not a communist.

Phrozen Phil
08-19-2008, 09:28 AM
For the record I do not think Obama is a communist ..... just think its funny how some of his followers will defend Marxism to defend him.

Obama has socialist ideas, even plans, no doubt ..... but he is not a communist.

Obama seems to be an idealist ....... which unfortunately usually leads to socialist programs.

Are all socialist ideas wrong? We've got socialized medicine up in my neck of the woods. You'd be hard pressed to find many Canadians who'd want to abandon it. Wouldn't you like a medical care system that cares for it's patients first and it's wallet second? Going to see your doctor should not mean significant financial hardship.

Doomsday101
08-19-2008, 09:33 AM
Are all socialist ideas wrong? We've got socialized medicine up in my neck of the woods. You'd be hard pressed to find many Canadians who'd want to abandon it. Wouldn't you like a medical care system that cares for it's patients first and it's wallet second? Going to see your doctor should not mean significant financial hardship.

I do not want the Government handing my health care they current do it for the vets and the results are not that great. I also doubt Canada has the massive lawsuit situation that we have in the US. People here will sue you at the drop of a hat over minor stuff and in the medical profession where doctors pay out large amounts for malpractice insurance because of the need to sue that many seem to have

zrinkill
08-19-2008, 09:34 AM
Are all socialist ideas wrong? We've got socialized medicine up in my neck of the woods. You'd be hard pressed to find many Canadians who'd want to abandon it. Wouldn't you like a medical care system that cares for it's patients first and it's wallet second? Going to see your doctor should not mean significant financial hardship.

That explains so much.

I will answer your direct question though ..... YES, forcing people to pay for something they do not want is wrong. We have to much of that here as it is.

No offense but I do not want Canadian medical treatment.

I am glad Canada is happy with their system.

BrAinPaiNt
08-19-2008, 09:37 AM
I do not want the Government handing my health care they current do it for the vets and the results are not that great. I also doubt Canada has the massive lawsuit situation that we have in the US. People here will sue you at the drop of a hat over minor stuff and in the medical profession where doctors pay out large amounts for malpractice insurance because of the need to sue that many seem to have

Agreed.

And this coming from someone who has no medical insurance.

Doomsday101
08-19-2008, 09:38 AM
Agreed.

And this coming from someone who has no medical insurance.

I agree we need to improve our health care system but Gov controlled health care frankly scares the crud out of me.

BrAinPaiNt
08-19-2008, 09:41 AM
I agree we need to improve our health care system but Gov controlled health care frankly scares the crud out of me.

It would just be that much more power for the government and basically a do what you want and get away with it medical and pharmaceutical field.

Ever heard of someone in the military suing a military doctor? As much as there are way too many law suits against doctors...there are many that are legit.

burmafrd
08-19-2008, 09:49 AM
The real problem with all the medical lawsuits is that it makes doctors order more tests then needed to cover their rear end; and the cost of malpractice insurance has driven many specialists like obstetricians right out of practice.
Its a truly vicious circle that needs some strong action.
And the doctors themselves are to blame for NOT taking care of the quacks in their midst.

Doomsday101
08-19-2008, 09:49 AM
It would just be that much more power for the government and basically a do what you want and get away with it medical and pharmaceutical field.

Ever heard of someone in the military suing a military doctor? As much as there are way too many law suits against doctors...there are many that are legit.

I agree and when you listen to these people pushing for national health care they include illegal aliens in the plan. No I don't want these people messing with my insurance or my health care. Right now in Harris County alone we spend close to 100 million a year in medical care for illegal’s.

trickblue
08-19-2008, 09:50 AM
I do not want the Government handing my health care they current do it for the vets and the results are not that great. I also doubt Canada has the massive lawsuit situation that we have in the US. People here will sue you at the drop of a hat over minor stuff and in the medical profession where doctors pay out large amounts for malpractice insurance because of the need to sue that many seem to have

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/political/government.jpg

Angus
08-19-2008, 11:43 AM
Good point. I'm just tired of dissent from the current administration being portrayed as treason.

You are being called a traitor in Canada?!!! A traitor to what? There is no army, no navy, no armed service, no Constitution, no one in authority with principles in Canada to betray. The only thing left to betray in Canada is its fascination with the United States and I see you haven't given that up.

:)

Phrozen Phil
08-19-2008, 12:00 PM
You are being called a traitor in Canada?!!! A traitor to what? There is no army, no navy, no armed service, no Constitution, no one in authority with principles in Canada to betray. The only thing left to betray in Canada is its fascination with the United States and I see you haven't given that up.

:)

:laugh2: Everybody has to have a hobby. We need to pay attention to what you guys are up to. BTW, we have all of the above, just in smaller quantities. As for no one in authority with principles, be careful about throwing stones.

yeahyeah
08-19-2008, 01:44 PM
Hallelujah. :bow: Amen, Brother! :fogeys: Lawd Lawd Lawd, bring the glory! :pray: And may God Bless Ah-mur-ik-uh!!! :banjo:


:laugh2: :laugh2:

yeahyeah
08-19-2008, 01:45 PM
Your hypocrisy is amazing, benny. The Left has been calling Bush vile names since he took office. Yet you ignore all that.

I think the "left" are not the only ones calling Bush vile names.

DFWJC
08-19-2008, 03:07 PM
This sounds about as agenda driven to the right as anything funded by MoveOn.org to the left.

Having said that, I think we already know that Mr Obama is at the very least Socialist. Some would say that's a good thing (see Daily Kos,etc) and others would think otherwise. There are far too many ties for this all to be a coincidence.

Ben_n_austin
08-19-2008, 08:31 PM
Are all socialist ideas wrong? We've got socialized medicine up in my neck of the woods. You'd be hard pressed to find many Canadians who'd want to abandon it. Wouldn't you like a medical care system that cares for it's patients first and it's wallet second? Going to see your doctor should not mean significant financial hardship.


Phil, they've got it figured out. They read the bible.