Vinny is a sitting Duck come Monday!

[32BellyOption]

With the way Philly likes to blitz from every angle, Vinny is gonna be a sitting duck come Monday night!
Not that I want to see VT get hurt but we may get to see Drew at some point Monday. Which begs the question, would it not be better for Henson to get all the snaps in practice and be prepared as the starter or just 'throw him to the wolves" in the middle of the game?
I'm really starting to question the sanity of Parcells. He's starting to come across like some stubborn old man. Why stick with the vets? Is he hoping for 7-9? Personally, I'd rather go 4-12 and let the young guys play and get reps as opsed to winning a few more with old timers!
I'm starting to get pissed! :mad:

[Eddie]

Well, we're only 1 game out of the last wild card spot. So BP is holding onto hopes of a late season surge.

But injuries and lack of talent pretty much makes that point moot.

I say put Hensen in. Why not? Can't get any lower than losing to the Bengals 26-3.

[Woods]

VT better be ready to throw the ball away quickly vs. the Eagles.

His feet aren't going to buy him any time in the pocket.

[JeffInDC]

With the way Philly likes to blitz from every angle, Vinny is gonna be a sitting duck come Monday night!
Not that I want to see VT get hurt but we may get to see Drew at some point Monday. Which begs the question, would it not be better for Henson to get all the snaps in practice and be prepared as the starter or just 'throw him to the wolves" in the middle of the game?
I'm really starting to question the sanity of Parcells. He's starting to come across like some stubborn old man. Why stick with the vets? Is he hoping for 7-9? Personally, I'd rather go 4-12 and let the young guys play and get reps as opsed to winning a few more with old timers!
I'm starting to get pissed! :mad:

Well, get pissed buddy. Man, I don't understand all you fair-weather fans that seem cool with giving up on an entire season just because a) you want to see what the young guys can do, b) want to get Dallas a higher draft pick, or c) just so you can get some kind of delight from seeing that Parcells can screw UP just like anyone else.

The funniest part in all this is that, IF the 'Boys find a way to beat Philly, the same people calling for Parcell's head (unbelievable) will be the same ones riding his jock for coming up with a game plan to beat the Eagles. Anyone reading this can say what they want about and I really don't care. It just irks me to no end how so many of you always want this team to give up when something ain't going right.

[hockix]

With the way Philly likes to blitz from every angle, Vinny is gonna be a sitting duck come Monday night!
Not that I want to see VT get hurt but we may get to see Drew at some point Monday. Which begs the question, would it not be better for Henson to get all the snaps in practice and be prepared as the starter or just 'throw him to the wolves" in the middle of the game?
I'm really starting to question the sanity of Parcells. He's starting to come across like some stubborn old man. Why stick with the vets? Is he hoping for 7-9? Personally, I'd rather go 4-12 and let the young guys play and get reps as opsed to winning a few more with old timers!
I'm starting to get pissed! :mad:

I want to see the kid play as much as you do.
But I'm with Parcells on this one. Getting Henson on monday night football against the Eagles is not the time, at least not as a starter. I would prefer to see him later in the game if we are losing the game.

Badly we will not see Lee on Monday cause EG and Anderson are better at picking the blitz. :rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

This will not be the 1st time Vinny has faced Philly and quite honestly this continual notion that Vinny is some fragil QB is utter non-sense the guy is in top shape and does have some mobility, grated not that of Mike Vick but few QB have that type of Mobility.

[Redball Express]

With the way Philly likes to blitz from every angle, Vinny is gonna be a sitting duck come Monday night!
Not that I want to see VT get hurt but we may get to see Drew at some point Monday. Which begs the question, would it not be better for Henson to get all the snaps in practice and be prepared as the starter or just 'throw him to the wolves" in the middle of the game?
I'm really starting to question the sanity of Parcells. He's starting to come across like some stubborn old man. Why stick with the vets? Is he hoping for 7-9? Personally, I'd rather go 4-12 and let the young guys play and get reps as opsed to winning a few more with old timers!
I'm starting to get pissed! :mad:

Correction..Vinny is a LAME DUCK come Monday.

[DoomsDayD]

Going to be hysterical and sad to watch vinny run for his life come monday night.

[DoomsDayD]

I also hate to say this but i predict VT doesnt make it past halftime due to an injury. Now before you jump all over for me saying i am hoping for an injury..I AM NOT. The eagles are going to be pissed and with VT running the 40 yard dash in 2 minutes flat he wont be able to withstand the crushing blows he will get.

[JeffInDC]

I also hate to say this but i predict VT doesnt make it past halftime due to an injury. Now before you jump all over for me saying i am hoping for an injury..I AM NOT. The eagles are going to be pissed and with VT running the 40 yard dash in 2 minutes flat he wont be able to withstand the crushing blows he will get.

You could be be absolutely right DD. The funny thing in all this is that when the Jets played Philly (in Philly) last year, Vinny started and had the Jets winning BEFORE he was replaced by Pennington in the 2nd quarter. I remember that he played great before being pulled.

[32BellyOption]

JeffinDC you are freakin clueless! I guess living near all those Skins fans has tainted your brain! :)

Yea, I guess because I'm sick of losing and sick of seeing a 41 year old QB throw pick after pick that means I'm a "fair weather fan"! Get a clue dude.

Why does starting VT give us a "better chance"? Hell, he can't even do it against the hapless Bengals for Christs sake! And it's not JUST Vinny.

I think alot of folks are not giving Henson enough credit. Of course, we'll never know as long as he sits on the bench. What's the worst he can do...maybe throw six picks in two games? Oh wait, that's what Vinny did!

Also, BP claims he won't play Lee because he doesn't 'trust" him to pick up the blitz. Perhaps if we had someone other than Frankenstein at QB that wouldn't be such a big concern. Instead, let's play a RB who can't RUN! That makes ALOT of sense!!

Henson and Lee would bring speed and athleticism to the slowest offense in the league. It would also make us harder to defend. I would rather watch us lose with youth than get our kicked by the Bengals while playing the geritol crew!

[JeffInDC]

JeffinDC you are freakin clueless! I guess living near all those Skins fans has tainted your brain! :)

Yea, I guess because I'm sick of losing and sick of seeing a 41 year old QB throw pick after pick that means I'm a "fair weather fan"! Get a clue dude.

Why does starting VT give us a "better chance"? Hell, he can't even do it against the hapless Bengals for Christs sake! And it's not JUST Vinny.

I think alot of folks are not giving Henson enough credit. Of course, we'll never know as long as he sits on the bench. What's the worst he can do...maybe throw six picks in two games? Oh wait, that's what Vinny did!

Also, BP claims he won't play Lee because he doesn't 'trust" him to pick up the blitz. Perhaps if we had someone other than Frankenstein at QB that wouldn't be such a big concern. Instead, let's play a RB who can't RUN! That makes ALOT of sense!!

Henson and Lee would bring speed and athleticism to the slowest offense in the league. It would also make us harder to defend. I would rather watch us lose with youth than get our kicked by the Bengals while playing the geritol crew!

Wow. Your telling me to get a clue. Yeah, Henson and Lee would bring those things possibly. But, tell me brainiac, how do you know this for sure when neither one of them has barely played in this league. Oh, I forgot, you have a clue and know all of this. You obviously know a hell of a lot more than Parcells. I remember seeing your bust in Canton beside those Super Bowl trophies.

As for Frankenstein being the reason we haven't seen Lee, once again you've proved your ignorance. Mobile QB or Statue, if your RB's can't pick up the blitz, your passing game will suffer with the only difference being a mobile QB can pick up a couple extra seconds to find an open WR sometimes. Hey smartguy, go ask McNabb what it's like to play a good pass-rushing team w/ RB's that can't pick up the blitz. But, you knew this already. By the way, didn't the hapless Bengals light up Denver as well? I guess the Broncos suck too.

As for not giving Henson enough credit, how the hell can anybody give Henson credit for anything when he hasn't played a meaningful down of football in 4 years? You, like everbody else, don't have a CLUE as to what Henson is capable of. Then again, I forgot that I am talking to Vince Lombardi :p

[32BellyOption]

All I know is this turdbrain, uh err, jeffin DC. What we're doin now certainly ain't workin'! What's the worst that can happen? We lose? Damn we just got our handed to us by the freakin BENGALS!
Perhaps you accept mediocrity. Try and aspire to be something. You never know, you may get moved up to the drive-thru window if your set your sights higher jeffy. :D

[JeffInDC]

All I know is this turdbrain, uh err, jeffin DC. What we're doin now certainly ain't workin'! What's the worst that can happen? We lose? Damn we just got our handed to us by the freakin BENGALS!
Perhaps you accept mediocrity. Try and aspire to be something. You never know, you may get moved up to the drive-thru window if your set your sights higher jeffy. :D

Do I want mediocrity? No. So, then, why the hell would I want the lesser QB in their at this time? You say what's the worst that could happen. Well, smartguy, Henson could get as well. Yeah, let's put in Henson in a game against a blitz-crazy team that is still try to rap up the division. Oh yeah, let's go ahead and put him in their even though Dallas is still (no matter what all the doom & gloom people think) in the playoff hunt.

No, I don't accept mediocrity. I also don't quit like you are basically suggesting Parcells should do by throwing all the young guys in. Yet, a quitter is telling me to aspire to be something. Yeah, I'll remember that when I come out to West Virginia in my $50,000 vehicle on a day when I take off from my $75,000 a year job and come to the Golden Skillet and have you be my waiter, partna'. :cool:

[blindzebra]

Wow. Your telling me to get a clue. Yeah, Henson and Lee would bring those things possibly. But, tell me brainiac, how do you know this for sure when neither one of them has barely played in this league. Oh, I forgot, you have a clue and know all of this. You obviously know a hell of a lot more than Parcells. I remember seeing your bust in Canton beside those Super Bowl trophies.

As for Frankenstein being the reason we haven't seen Lee, once again you've proved your ignorance. Mobile QB or Statue, if your RB's can't pick up the blitz, your passing game will suffer with the only difference being a mobile QB can pick up a couple extra seconds to find an open WR sometimes. Hey smartguy, go ask McNabb what it's like to play a good pass-rushing team w/ RB's that can't pick up the blitz. But, you knew this already. By the way, didn't the hapless Bengals light up Denver as well? I guess the Broncos suck too.

As for not giving Henson enough credit, how the hell can anybody give Henson credit for anything when he hasn't played a meaningful down of football in 4 years? You, like everbody else, don't have a CLUE as to what Henson is capable of. Then again, I forgot that I am talking to Vince Lombardi :p

The weakest argument of all, "You think you know more than Parcells." LAME!

This is the same Parcells that cut last year's starting QB, signed a useless EG and Wiley, did not address DT or CB, traded Bryant, won't play Lee because he does not trust him picking up the blitz...while EG and RA have given up 6 sacks and 3 fumbles MISSING the blitz pick up, wasted 7 games with Romo as the back up QB, went for it on 4th down in our territory and ended the Giants game.

Did I forget anything?

This season is fast becoming that Seinfeld episode where George did the opposite. Whatever Parcells does, the opposite is correct. :D

[The Major]

JeffinDC you are freakin clueless! I guess living near all those Skins fans has tainted your brain! :)

Yea, I guess because I'm sick of losing and sick of seeing a 41 year old QB throw pick after pick that means I'm a "fair weather fan"! Get a clue dude.

Why does starting VT give us a "better chance"? Hell, he can't even do it against the hapless Bengals for Christs sake! And it's not JUST Vinny.

I think alot of folks are not giving Henson enough credit. Of course, we'll never know as long as he sits on the bench. What's the worst he can do...maybe throw six picks in two games? Oh wait, that's what Vinny did!

Also, BP claims he won't play Lee because he doesn't 'trust" him to pick up the blitz. Perhaps if we had someone other than Frankenstein at QB that wouldn't be such a big concern. Instead, let's play a RB who can't RUN! That makes ALOT of sense!!

Henson and Lee would bring speed and athleticism to the slowest offense in the league. It would also make us harder to defend. I would rather watch us lose with youth than get our kicked by the Bengals while playing the geritol crew!

"...Why does starting VT give us a "better chance"..."

...because VT proved that he could at least play well against Det. with really only 1 experienced WR and 1 good pass-catching TE and with no running game.

I agree with BP, Mike Ditka and all the experts that it wouldn`t be a fair evaluation to throw Henson or Romo in there now with only 1 WR and 1 TE and without a running game. All it`d most likely do is show us just how badly they could play with almost no weapons on off. and quite possibly ruin their comfidence.

"...Hell, he can't even do it against the hapless Bengals for Christs sake..."

Sure he can. In fact, he`s had some of his best games against them when they had better defs. including recently. But apparently he, along with any other good QB, could`nt play well against Cin. Sun. with essentially only 1 WR, 1 TE, no running game, etc., and the rest of the team playing as poorly as it did.

"...I think alot of folks are not giving Henson enough credit. Of course, we'll never know as long as he sits on the bench. What's the worst he can do...maybe throw six picks in two games? Oh wait, that's what Vinny did..."

Imho, this is very deceiving. 2 of those picks weren`t VT`s fault and he more than made up for the ones against Det. by making enough HUGE plays in the passing game. This includes 1 TD run and 3 TD passes. The last TD pass was a thing of beauty and clinched the victory over Det. All the picks really did was keep this game from being a blow-out.

As for Cin., I`m shocked that he didn`t throw more than 3 picks because he had only 1 reliable WR and 1 TE to throw to and had no running game. Most good QB`s would`nt have done much better if better at all. And with almost no weapons on off. and the team stinking the joint out, there`s no way that a QB who hasn`t played in yrs. would`ve done any better than a 3 Time Playoff - 2 Time Pro Bowl QB like Vinny. In fact, the odds favor that he`d do worse under these circumstances, quite possibly hurting his comfidence, etc. This means that, imho, keeping everything else the same, Henson probably would`ve thrown more than 6 picks the past 2 weeks. Regardless though, he still most likely would`ve played worse overall!

[BrownSugar]

"...Why does starting VT give us a "better chance"..."

...because VT proved that he could at least play well against Det. with really only 1 experienced WR and 1 good pass-catching TE and with no running game.

I agree with BP, Mike Ditka and all the experts that it wouldn`t be a fair evaluation to throw Henson or Romo in there now with only 1 WR and 1 TE and without a running game. All it`d most likely do is show us just how badly they could play with almost no weapons on off. and quite possibly ruin their comfidence.

"...Hell, he can't even do it against the hapless Bengals for Christs sake..."

Sure he can. In fact, he`s had some of his best games against them when they had better defs. including recently. But apparently he, along with any other good QB, could`nt play well against Cin. Sun. with essentially only 1 WR, 1 TE, no running game, etc., and the rest of the team playing as poorly as it did.

"...I think alot of folks are not giving Henson enough credit. Of course, we'll never know as long as he sits on the bench. What's the worst he can do...maybe throw six picks in two games? Oh wait, that's what Vinny did..."

Imho, this is very deceiving. 2 of those picks weren`t VT`s fault and he more than made up for the ones against Det. by making enough HUGE plays in the passing game. This includes 1 TD run and 3 TD passes. The last TD pass was a thing of beauty and clinched the victory over Det. All the picks really did was keep this game from being a blow-out.

As for Cin., I`m shocked that he didn`t throw more than 3 picks because he had only 1 reliable WR and 1 TE to throw to and had no running game. Most good QB`s would`nt have done much better if better at all. And with almost no weapons on off. and the team stinking the joint out, there`s no way that a QB who hasn`t played in yrs. would`ve done any better than a 3 Time Playoff - 2 Time Pro Bowl QB like Vinny. In fact, the odds favor that he`d do worse under these circumstances, quite possibly hurting his comfidence, etc. This means that, imho, keeping everything else the same, Henson probably would`ve thrown more than 6 picks the past 2 weeks. Regardless though, he still most likely would`ve played worse overall!
He's only made the playoffs 3 times in the 19 years that he's been playing? I didn't know that little stat about him...

[hardcorebob]

Putting Henson in isn't going to magically fix our passing game because of all of our injuries, plain and simple. Lee should start, but BP doesn't trust him to protect Vinny, end of story. This isn't Madden 2005 where you plug a guy in and he pulls sh1t out of his *** to overcome the impossible.

The quicker some people realize that this season the Cowboys have had some serious bad luck and just have to ride out the storm, the better off your stress level will be! We are very fortunate to have Bill here as coach (remember Swizter, Campo? LOL) and hindsight is always 20/20. Once Morgan comes back and we get back to running the ball more effectively, we should win more games.

[InmanRoshi]

I think the same segment of Cowboy fandom that so desperately wants Henson put in would be the same segment of Cowboy fandom that will be screaming that he's a bust and we have to draft a QB with our top pick after 4 or 5 consecutive losses under Henson if he were put in for the rest of the season.

[hardcorebob]

I think the same segment of Cowboy fandom that so desperately wants Henson put in would be the same segment of Cowboy fandom that will be screaming that he's a bust and we have to draft a QB with our top pick after 4 or 5 consecutive losses under Henson if he were put in for the rest of the season.

Exactly, those that really don't have any true football knowledge and let their emotions dictate their actions.

[LaTunaNostra]

As for Cin., I`m shocked that he didn`t throw more than 3 picks because he had only 1 reliable WR and 1 TE to throw to and had no running game. Most good QB`s would`nt have done much better if better at all. And with almost no weapons on off. and the team stinking the joint out, there`s no way that a QB who hasn`t played in yrs. would`ve done any better than a 3 Time Playoff - 2 Time Pro Bowl QB like Vinny. In fact, the odds favor that he`d do worse under these circumstances, quite possibly hurting his comfidence, etc. This means that, imho, keeping everything else the same, Henson probably would`ve thrown more than 6 picks the past 2 weeks. Regardless though, he still most likely would`ve played worse overall!

The Major, VT played a miserable game Sunday, a miserable as I have seen him play in the last seven seasons. There are mitigating circumstances for his play - like he had little in the way of help - but that was the most critical game of the season, and Vinnie stunk up the field in it.

I think VT LOST his starting job last week, and maybe it's unfair to say that based on one game, but it was the 'critical' one - we don't GET another chance to go .500 at midseason again, and have a two game momentum going into the Eagles game.

Vinnie should still play a few more considering the injuries and overall situation, but when Henson takes over after Thanksgiving, that Bengals game will be the reason I will shed no tears for VT .

[blindzebra]

Exactly, those that really don't have any true football knowledge and let their emotions dictate their actions.

Some of the most knowledgeable football people on this forum have been pro-Henson since the day the trade went down.

[The Major]

He's only made the playoffs 3 times in the 19 years that he's been playing? I didn't know that little stat about him...

He`s been on several bad teams throughout his career, especially his 1st 6 yrs. with crappy TB teams. Steve Young couldn`t even do anything there either. For yrs., every QB that followed VT there sucked. But Young got out of there before it had a chance to almost ruin a large part of his career too!

[Bach]

I think the same segment of Cowboy fandom that so desperately wants Henson put in would be the same segment of Cowboy fandom that will be screaming that he's a bust and we have to draft a QB with our top pick after 4 or 5 consecutive losses under Henson if he were put in for the rest of the season.


I'd like for him to get several games under his belt this year so we don't throw him in next year with little or no experience.

But I guess some are still clinging to hope that Vinny will lead us to the playoffs or something.

[Doomsday101]

Some of the most knowledgeable football people on this forum have been pro-Henson since the day the trade went down.

I have been Pro Henson as well but have maintained from day 1 when the staff feels he is ready that is when he will play and not before that time, which is why I do not agree with this additude of rushing Henson into play before the staff feels he is ready. Landry did the same with Staubach as well, he sat and he learned before he was given the oppertunity. I for one felt we did rush Carter and we did rush Hutchinson and put them in no win situation. I don't want to see Henson have to go through that which is why I do support Parcells holding back on Henson for now.

[LaTunaNostra]

I have been Pro Henson as well but have maintained from day 1 when the staff feels he is ready that is when he will play and not before that time, which is why I do not agree with this additude of rushing Henson into play before the staff feels he is ready. Landry did the same with Staubach as well, he sat and he learned before he was given the oppertunity. I for one felt we did rush Carter and we did rush Hutchinson and put them in no win situation. I don't want to see Henson have to go through that which is why I do support Parcells holding back on Henson for now.
I'm with you, Dooms.

One of the few, very few, saving graces of this season is developing Drew right.

[32BellyOption]

There are obviously two schools of thought pertaining to starting young QB's. Did the turmoil and punishment Aikman went thru make him a better QB down the road? Hard to tell.

This whole post started though on the premise that with Vinny being a sitting duck for the Eagles that "perhaps" it would be better to prepare Henson as the starter as opposed to throwing him to the wolves on Monday night.

Obviously, BP has a plan for Henson, but it gets VERY frustrating game after game watching George tip toe for two yards and then BAM Lee for 12! Then, watching Vinny just sit in the pocket and fumble when we have a moble QB on the bench. I just think if something is broke, you at least TRY and fix it.

My prediction would be that after Thanksgiving, with the extra practice time, Henson will make his debut. With possibly TWO picks in the top 12 of the draft, we have to find out a little about Henson. We could have the ammo to move up into the top three or four and snag a potential franchise QB. Hopefully we won't have to.

[DMX6990]

Until the cowboys loses their eight game of the season, i believe Henson will not play,barring injury to Vinny.

[32BellyOption]

You're probably right DMX. At the rate we're going I guess that'll be three more games :(

[Bach]

My prediction would be that after Thanksgiving, with the extra practice time, Henson will make his debut. With possibly TWO picks in the top 12 of the draft, we have to find out a little about Henson. We could have the ammo to move up into the top three or four and snag a potential franchise QB. Hopefully we won't have to.


I think we'll start Henson after Thanksgiving too.

It's obvious he's not starting this week. Therefore I seriously doubt he'll start against the Ravens defense the following week. That would leave a short week going into T-Day, so that would be out of the question also.

That would give Henson over a week to prepare for the following game, and allow him to start the last 5 games of the season.

However, with only five games under his belt, I don't think we will have enough to go on to say we need to use a top pick on a QB. So it looks like we'll have our wagon hitched to Henson for at least the next 2 years. Hopefully he will be the answer or it'll be 2007 and we'll be back at square one, still trying to find Aikman's replacement since 2000.

It's Henson or bust - starting this December.

[Doomsday101]

There are obviously two schools of thought pertaining to starting young QB's. Did the turmoil and punishment Aikman went thru make him a better QB down the road? Hard to tell.

This whole post started though on the premise that with Vinny being a sitting duck for the Eagles that "perhaps" it would be better to prepare Henson as the starter as opposed to throwing him to the wolves on Monday night.

Obviously, BP has a plan for Henson, but it gets VERY frustrating game after game watching George tip toe for two yards and then BAM Lee for 12! Then, watching Vinny just sit in the pocket and fumble when we have a moble QB on the bench. I just think if something is broke, you at least TRY and fix it.

My prediction would be that after Thanksgiving, with the extra practice time, Henson will make his debut. With possibly TWO picks in the top 12 of the draft, we have to find out a little about Henson. We could have the ammo to move up into the top three or four and snag a potential franchise QB. Hopefully we won't have to.

There was really not much of an option when Troy and Steve Walsh were in their rookie year and it is also a situation that 1 size does not fit all. Henson being away from the game I think is playing a part in why Parcells does not feel Henson is ready to deal with starters role. And lastly parcells again is with these guys day in and day out and he does know what is going on, so as a fan who do I trust to make the call? a fan or a coach who has been working with this young QB? not to hard to figure out

[ElPanadero]

I've been waiting a long time for this season to begin. I'm not about to give up on it half-way into it. I believe VT gives us the best chance to get to a winning record at the end of the season. Henson is our future but I'm concerned with the present. Just my 2 cents.

[blindzebra]

I think we'll start Henson after Thanksgiving too.

It's obvious he's not starting this week. Therefore I seriously doubt he'll start against the Ravens defense the following week. That would leave a short week going into T-Day, so that would be out of the question also.

That would give Henson over a week to prepare for the following game, and allow him to start the last 5 games of the season.

However, with only five games under his belt, I don't think we will have enough to go on to say we need to use a top pick on a QB. So it looks like we'll have our wagon hitched to Henson for at least the next 2 years. Hopefully he will be the answer or it'll be 2007 and we'll be back at square one, still trying to find Aikman's replacement since 2000.

It's Henson or bust - starting this December.

We should have been looking for Aikman's replacement in 1996-97, BEFORE we needed one.

[DMX6990]

I've been waiting a long time for this season to begin. I'm not about to give up on it half-way into it. I believe VT gives us the best chance to get to a winning record at the end of the season. Henson is our future but I'm concerned with the present. Just my 2 cents.

Well if you look at NFC conference. You could argue that a 8-8 team can easily make the playoff, even a 7-9 team could make it now. The NFC this season is quite sad. I mean outside of Phil want other teams in the conference has proven anything.

[Bach]

We should have been looking for Aikman's replacement in 1996-97, BEFORE we needed one.

I couldn't agree more...of course that would've taken some foresight on the part of our GM :rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

We should have been looking for Aikman's replacement in 1996-97, BEFORE we needed one.

I do agree with that. Dallas made a big mistake by not having a QB waiting in the wings to take over. At least when Staubach hung them up you had a good QB in Danny White waiting to take over. No such replacement was on the team when Troy left.

[Hostile]

He's only made the playoffs 3 times in the 19 years that he's been playing? I didn't know that little stat about him...
Awe inspiring isn't it? Make you want to sign up for his fan club? I know I got chills. [/sarcasm off]

[btcutter]

I do agree with that. Dallas made a big mistake by not having a QB waiting in the wings to take over. At least when Staubach hung them up you had a good QB in Danny White waiting to take over. No such replacement was on the team when Troy left.


how many teams do you know already have a FRANCHISE qb in the wings? ZERO! Teams may have what they believe are serviceable QB to take over but no teams have QB's capable of taking over and succeed for sure. If Saints knew what Delomme could do, you think they let him walk into FA? Right now, Delomme looks better than Brooks.

[iceberg]

Well, get pissed buddy. Man, I don't understand all you fair-weather fans that seem cool with giving up on an entire season just because a) you want to see what the young guys can do, b) want to get Dallas a higher draft pick, or c) just so you can get some kind of delight from seeing that Parcells can screw UP just like anyone else.

or d - don't like what we're seeing and want a glimpse of the future.

i don't understand why a view you don't agree with riles people up so much at times.

[blindzebra]

how many teams do you know already have a FRANCHISE qb in the wings? ZERO! Teams may have what they believe are serviceable QB to take over but no teams have QB's capable of taking over and succeed for sure. If Saints knew what Delomme could do, you think they let him walk into FA? Right now, Delomme looks better than Brooks.

That does not mean you wait until you need one. NE had Bledsoe, but they drafted Brady. GB had Favre but that did not keep them from drafting Brunnel, Brooks and Hasselbeck who are all starters in the league. ;)

[Hostile]

We should have been looking for Aikman's replacement in 1996-97, BEFORE we needed one.
The only problem with this was that 1996 and 1997 were completely destitute of QB talent. Manning was the plum in 1998. I kind of wanted Brian Griese. I think he went in the 3rd round. When Denver waived him I still wanted us to get him.

1999 I wanted Duante Culpepper so bad it wasn't funny. I will never forgive Dennis Green. 9 picks later we took Ekuban and I was sick. I wanted Jerry to trade up so bad.

[jdnalls]

Well, we're only 1 game out of the last wild card spot. So BP is holding onto hopes of a late season surge.

But injuries and lack of talent pretty much makes that point moot.

I say put Hensen in. Why not? Can't get any lower than losing to the Bengals 26-3.
Agreed. I mean what good is it for VT to stay in the team and have wonderful stats on paper when we can't seem to win with him?

[Hollywood Henderson]

Ah yes, the fickle fan always points to the QB...
Truth be told Vimmy is easily the best QB we have had since Troy was here...

Lets looks at injuries, a lack of any sane DC and midget LBers, no FS on the whole team...Passive & predictable, never win "occupy & engage" as to why were losing...

[Doomsday101]

how many teams do you know already have a FRANCHISE qb in the wings? ZERO! Teams may have what they believe are serviceable QB to take over but no teams have QB's capable of taking over and succeed for sure. If Saints knew what Delomme could do, you think they let him walk into FA? Right now, Delomme looks better than Brooks.

I understand what your saying but the fact is Dallas did not even have a servicable QB to take over when Troy left. I understand it is almost impossiable now days to have a franchise QB starting and one waiting in the wings due to salery cap. All one has to do is look at the price tag of what top QB's are getting paid and what rookies like Manning is getting. However that does not change the fact that Dallas was not prepaired at all for Troy leaving.

[InmanRoshi]

You don't have to draft a QB in the first round.

Just using a mid round pick on a player would have sufficed. It wouldn't have hurt the Cowboys to use a 5th round draft pick on Matt Hasselbeck in 98.

The New England Patriots have Brady, and still take a flier on a QB every year with a mid-late round pick like Rohan Davey and Kliff Kingsburry. The reward of landing one of those picks far outweighs the price. If the Patriots bought into the "pedigree" theory, they would have never had Brady in the first place. The Packers have racked up numerous high draft picks selecting late round QB's, grooming them and trading them.

[Doomsday101]

Ah yes, the fickle fan always points to the QB...
Truth be told Vimmy is easily the best QB we have had since Troy was here...

Lets looks at injuries, a lack of any sane DC and midget LBers, no FS on the whole team...Passive & predictable, never win "occupy & engage" as to why were losing...

I agree with you, I said it even with Carter here wins and loses are a team result not 1 person. Vinny for the most part has done a decent job but the Cowboys as a team have not played well, he has not put up top 5 QB numbers but I said when we signed him that I was not expecting that to be the case. Vinny is here but a short time as a stop gap for Henson and I stand by those feeling today.

[Nors]

Carter gets another shot to start

By ANDREA ADELSON, AP Sports Writer
November 9, 2004
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Quincy Carter has waited for this chance ever since the Cowboys stunningly let him go three months ago.

He needs to make the most of it or the New York Jets could be in serious trouble. Carter makes his first start in place of the injured Chad Pennington on Sunday, against the fiery Ravens defense.

``This is not my first rodeo,'' Carter said. ``I have relished this opportunity simply because of the situation that I was in in Dallas. I have been busting my tail for two months learning this offense. My opportunity is here and we will just go on from there.''

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Carter went into training camp as the Dallas starter after leading the Cowboys to a 10-6 record and the playoffs in 2003. But he was let go amid reports of a failed drug test, and signed with the Jets three weeks later.

The NFL Players Association has filed a request for arbitration in the case, but it has been put off until the season ends at Carter's request. Part of the grievance involves potential salary loss to Carter.

``It's still pending,'' NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw told The Associated Press on Tuesday. ``We'll proceed with it. At this point, we're trying to let Quincy play football. At the right time we'll deal with the case.''

The Jets hope to rely on Carter for just a few weeks. Though everyone in the organization put on a brave face publicly when the news broke, knowing Pennington could be out as long as a month, it is hard to ignore what happened the last time the franchise quarterback missed time. Last year, Pennington sat out six games with a broken wrist.

Vinny Testaverde took over, and the Jets were 2-5 before Pennington made his first start. Though the Jets are 6-2 now, a few more losses and they fall right back into the pack in the AFC.

After the Ravens (5-3), the Jets have Cleveland (3-5) and Arizona (3-5) before facing the hardest part of their schedule. Their final five contests are against teams that are .500 or better. Of their six wins, only one came against a winning team (San Diego).

``Every game is so crucial once the season starts getting close to the end,'' running back Curtis Martin said. ``You can't afford to let games get away from you.''

Baltimore presents a difficult challenge because, as usual, its defense has been stellar.

Ray Lewis and company probably will focus on stopping Martin and the running game, daring Carter to try to win the game. That could cause all sorts of problems, mainly because Carter is inaccurate and makes poor decisions.

Though the Cowboys made the playoffs last year, Carter had 21 interceptions to 17 touchdowns. In his four-year career, he has more interceptions to touchdowns (29 to 36) and completed 56.3 percent of his passes, with a quarterback rating of 70.

Accuracy is key in the Jets' version of the West Coast offense, and Pennington is plenty good at that. He has completed 66.7 percent of his passes and usually goes for high-percentage throwing plays rather than gambling on big ones.

But what Carter has that Pennington does not is a stronger arm and more athleticism. Carter can make plays with his scrambling ability, having run 141 times for 498 yards and three touchdowns in his career. Offensive coordinator Paul Hackett will probably scale back the offense for Carter, as he did last year with Testaverde.

``I am sure we are not going to go out and run full-scale everything in our offense, but I think what coach Hackett does well is he makes sure he is going to tailor everything to my strengths and not my weaknesses,'' Carter said.

While the Jets probably will adjust their offense, the receivers have to get used to Carter as well. He throws with maximum velocity like Testaverde. As Santana Moss said, the passes ``come fast and they come hard.''

Despite their different styles, Pennington believes the Jets will be just fine with Carter.

``He's come in here and meshed in with our team,'' Pennington said. ``He's studying really, really hard. He's absorbed everything really well. I have full confidence in him.''

[The Major]

The Major, VT played a miserable game Sunday, a miserable as I have seen him play in the last seven seasons. There are mitigating circumstances for his play - like he had little in the way of help - but that was the most critical game of the season, and Vinnie stunk up the field in it.

I think VT LOST his starting job last week, and maybe it's unfair to say that based on one game, but it was the 'critical' one - we don't GET another chance to go .500 at midseason again, and have a two game momentum going into the Eagles game.

Vinnie should still play a few more considering the injuries and overall situation, but when Henson takes over after Thanksgiving, that Bengals game will be the reason I will shed no tears for VT .

Hello LTN,

We`re kind of missing more of your assertive and insightful posts over at, "The Church of Vinny." I hope to read some of your good posts over there in the future.

I understand exactly what you`re saying above and don`t disagree with it entirely. But just one of my main points has been that VT would`ve played well with any of the following or combinations thereof just like any other good, Playoff-Pro Bowl QB,

1.with a running game
2.with at least 1 more proven, reliable WR
3.with the rest of the team not stinking the joint out, including his recs. dropping balls which ultimately led to the picks

If any of the above happen, then VT has another good game against Cincy. How do we know??? We know because VT`s had at least one of the 3 things listed above every game up to the Cincy game and played well against tougher defs. He`s also had at least one of the 3 above all the times he`s picked apart better Cincy pass defs. and has had some of his best games against them because of it.

And this is also where BP`s stubborness hurts VT and the team but in a different way. Imho and that of numerous others here, he`s got to make changes in the running game whether it`s the players or something else. It`s got to be done. It`s either this or VT better have at least 1 more proven, reliable rec. by next Mon. night like a Quincy Morgan, etc. Or just get him someone other than just KJ and Witten who`s a proven, reliable rec. Anyone would do. If neither of these is possible by next Mon., this team better not stink the joint out, especially with recs. dropping game-changing passes or we may see a repeat of what took place against Cincy. Only this time, it could be much worse if that`s possible. In other words, I can`t guarantee that VT, or any other good, Playoff-Pro Bowl QB for that matter, would be able to play well next Mon. if the team stinks the joint out with recs. dropping game-changing passes and without at least one more proven, reliable rec. and without a running game, etc., just like against Cincy!

But, if VT is provided just one of those things, then this game could be very interesting. I say that because VT faced the Eagles last yr. and picked their pass def. apart including a TD pass on a long bomb off a Flea-Flicker. He passed the Jets to a lead over the Eagles in that game before Pennington was inserted back in.

So this is just one ex. of just how important any of these things can be to any QB. And VT better have at least one of them going against that Eagle def. again or things could get real ugly really fast around here! :eek: :(

"...when Henson takes over after Thanksgiving, that Bengals game will be the reason I will shed no tears for VT..."

I understand what you mean but I don`t think that I`ll have the same reaction if I may say so. But let me ask you this. What if VT passes the Cowboys to wins in their next 3 games to put Dal. at 6-5. What would you think then??? I`m certainly not saying that it`s going to happen. But I`m still curious as to what you`d think!

[The Major]

Awe inspiring isn't it? Make you want to sign up for his fan club? I know I got chills. [/sarcasm off]

VT was on horrible TB teams the 1st part of his career. So he wasn`t going to lead any of those crappy teams anywhere. Since leaving TB, he missed virtually the entire 99 season after an injury in the 1st game, wasn`t the starter most of the yr. in both 02 and 03, and the book`s still open on 04! This means that he`s actually played only 8 seasons as the starter for half the season or more since TB. He was on mostly average teams those 8 seasons. But this didn`t stop him from passing such teams to the Playoffs 3 times and making the Pro Bowl twice in those 8 yrs. This is damn good, all factors considered and it`s much better than most QB`s who`ve ever played the game, including many who never went to the Playoffs or made the Pro Bowl on better teams! Now all this still doesn`t make him an elite QB but it`s truly awe-inspiring when all factors are taken into consideration. ;) :p :) :D

[The Major]

You could be be absolutely right DD. The funny thing in all this is that when the Jets played Philly (in Philly) last year, Vinny started and had the Jets winning BEFORE he was replaced by Pennington in the 2nd quarter. I remember that he played great before being pulled.

This is an excellent point. :) In fact, VT went 7-11 for 112 yds. with 1 TD pass off a Flea-Flicker and 0 picks. He was very good against that blitzing Philly def., beating their blitz whenever they tried!