Mike Williams

[OLDSCHOOL]

We should not wish to draft him, that would be a waste of a draft pick, kinda. The reason I say this is, but first let me say this " I want Mike Williams on our team" but I want us to get to him now, and stop him from putting his name in the draft, treat him like a guy off the street, which is what he is now, we can still give him a very good contract based on the top receiver from this past draft, or this upcoming draft or whatever, but we need to get to him and his agent now and start the process now to get him here in Dallas.

Use the top picks that we have for a CB, QB, RB DT or DE, maybe even LB but we need to make sure we get impact players that will be starting on opening day.

We may can get by with what we have at RB for another season since we do not know about Julius Jones, and Lee, and we may can get by with Henson and Romo, Henson may be the real deal he looks the part, just by looking at him, I did not see it in preseason but just looking at him he looks like it.

We have the money so we can get some young good FAs with that money, possibly a DT and a DE and maybe a LB, then we can use the picks on Benson, and Rolle, they are my wish list guys.

[Rack Bauer]

We aren't gonna draft Cedric Benson. Benson is looking real good this year, but we'd be in position to draft Cadillac Williams. If we were to draft a RB, CW would be the guy. But we aren't drafting a RB early.

And I'm hopeful we could get Mike Williams either in the second round, or trade down with our lesser first round pick and draft him late in the first round.

[Meat-O-Rama]

Mike Williams is not just a guy off the street. He is ineligible to play NFL Footbal, and thus ineligible to be contacted for contract talks. That is what is known as tampering.

As for the notion we could have him in the late first or early second, don't count on it unless he suffers some sort of injury at the combine.

[OLDSCHOOL]

We aren't gonna draft Cedric Benson. Benson is looking real good this year, but we'd be in position to draft Cadillac Williams. If we were to draft a RB, CW would be the guy. But we aren't drafting a RB early.

And I'm hopeful we could get Mike Williams either in the second round, or trade down with our lesser first round pick and draft him late in the first round.


Let me say this again, Mike Williams is just a guy on the street right now, we do not need to draft him if they start talking to him and his agent right now. He does not have to put his name in the draft, he can pick whatever team he wants to play for right now. He is no longer governed by the same things the athletes that are playing this season are because he is not on a team, it is just like if he went to play baseball this season instead of football.

Cadillac Williams looks like a good back, but trust me he will not do in the NFL what he is doing in college, e is just a good college back, it will not translate to the NFL, Brown will be a better back in the NFL than Cadillac.

Benson is the guy we need to get, he is on my wish list, but if we do not get him then we need to just wait another season someone will pop up the next season in college, but we must stay away from Cadillac like he has the plague.

We should go after Mike Williams the way I stated, if that is done and we still want to draft another Wr use the pick on Braylyn Edwards.

One other thing unless your name is Jones, or Parcells, don't tell me what we are and will not do, because you do not know.

[OLDSCHOOL]

Mike Williams is not just a guy off the street. He is ineligible to play NFL Footbal, and thus ineligible to be contacted for contract talks. That is what is known as tampering.

As for the notion we could have him in the late first or early second, don't count on it unless he suffers some sort of injury at the combine.


It is not tampering, Mike Williams is not playing on a team, he is not even attending college, now how is that tampering. The reason he was trying to come out early is because he was flunking out of school for not attending classes is one reason.

So, he is just like a guy off the street.

[TheHustler]

Let me say this again, Mike Williams is just a guy on the street right now, we do not need to draft him if they start talking to him and his agent right now.

That's not true. He is NOT eligible to play in the NFL until after his third year. Once that happens he can decide not to enter the draft and become a free agent, and then we can talk to him, but that wouldnt make any sense. Putting himself in the draft gaurentees top dollar for him.

[dstew60105]

<<[QUOTE=OLDSCHOOL]Let me say this again, Mike Williams is just a guy on the street right now, we do not need to draft him if they start talking to him and his agent right now. >>

Again, Mike Williams is not eligible to play in the NFL this year. He needs to be three years removed from high school and therfore cannot play. As for next year, yes he needs to declare for the NFL draft to gain entry into the league. As for his draft status, look for him to be either the first or second WR taken early in round 1.

Don

[TheHustler]

It is not tampering, Mike Williams is not playing on a team, he is not even attending college, now how is that tampering. The reason he was trying to come out early is because he was flunking out of school for not attending classes is one reason.

So, he is just like a guy off the street.

He's attending USC. He's taking classes. He's just not playing football.

[TheHustler]

It is not tampering, Mike Williams is not playing on a team, he is not even attending college, now how is that tampering. The reason he was trying to come out early is because he was flunking out of school for not attending classes is one reason.

So, he is just like a guy off the street.

He was trying to come out early because the courts ruled that he could (Clarett case).

[dillinger319]

It is not tampering, Mike Williams is not playing on a team, he is not even attending college, now how is that tampering. The reason he was trying to come out early is because he was flunking out of school for not attending classes is one reason.

So, he is just like a guy off the street.


The whole reason he is "off of the Street" is because he is not eligible due to the rule that says you have to be 3 years removed from high school...He has to put his name in for the draft ...I couldnt tell you the exact wording on the rule but I bet that numerous other people in here could...Besides do you think that your the only one who has thought of that ....He wouldve already been signed to a team....He will be a top pick in the draft , if not top ten then top twenty for sure.......Wouldve been a good idea but just not feasible

[TheHustler]

The whole reason he is "off of the Street" is because he is not eligible due to the rule that says you have to be 3 years removed from high school...He has to put his name in for the draft ...I couldnt tell you the exact wording on the rule but I bet that numerous other people in here could...Besides do you think that your the only one who has thought of that ....He wouldve already been signed to a team....He will be a top pick in the draft , if not top ten then top twenty for sure.......Wouldve been a good idea but just not feasible

Nah, OLDSCHOOL is smarter than the 32 GMs in the league.

[OLDSCHOOL]

That's not true. He is NOT eligible to play in the NFL until after his third year. Once that happens he can decide not to enter the draft and become a free agent, and then we can talk to him, but that wouldnt make any sense. Putting himself in the draft gaurentees top dollar for him.


Listen, no read and comprehend, Mike Williams will garner top Dollar however he is signed, off the street like he is or thru the draft, thats why you sign an agent like he has. Yes, he has an agent he fired him when the courts ruled against him and when the NCAA ruled against him he quit school and signed his agent again, now this is the what you guys are not comprehending, I am not saying that Mike williams can help us this season, he cannot play this season in the NFL , but next season he can play and being that he is walking AROUND ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW, we can start talking to him about signing with us for next season and if his agent is worth his salt he would get a contract worth Mike's talent and what would have been his drafted spot this last draft or based on the top receiver that was drafted this past draft, or they can say wait and let's see what the top receiver will get this upcoming draft. He will only get the money on what he showed in 2003 season, and that may not be anywhere near what the top WRs will get this upcoming draft. Teams can say to him, well Mike if you had played this past season and done well we would be glad to give you that money, but we can only go by your 03 season and the 03 money is not the same as the 04 money, now we can however put incentives and or a clause in your contract that if you produce to this level this season we will renegotiate and up your salary.

Trust me he will get a contract from whomever he sign with, they will tell him we cannot give you this because you did not play and we do not know if you can repeat what you did in 03.

[Rack Bauer]

He does not have to put his name in the draft, he can pick whatever team he wants to play for right now


You are incorrect. If he could sign with whoever he wanted to he would of done it.

And if that were the case, wouldn't a lot of players not enter the draft and just sign with whoever every year?

[OLDSCHOOL]

<<[QUOTE=OLDSCHOOL]Let me say this again, Mike Williams is just a guy on the street right now, we do not need to draft him if they start talking to him and his agent right now. >>

Again, Mike Williams is not eligible to play in the NFL this year. He needs to be three years removed from high school and therfore cannot play. As for next year, yes he needs to declare for the NFL draft to gain entry into the league. As for his draft status, look for him to be either the first or second WR taken early in round 1.

Don


No, he does not need to declare for the draft to gain entry into the NFL. the Browns had a player on their team last season that did not go into the draft he was given a try out and he made the team, he was there for 2yrs, and there has been other players, Hutch did not do it he could have put his name back into the draft, henson could have put his name back into the draft, even though he was already drafted, by the Texans, so he is not a good example, but Hutch is.

[Rack Bauer]

but we must stay away from Cadillac like he has the plague.


Cadillac is and will be a better back then Benson.

[Rack Bauer]

No, he does not need to declare for the draft to gain entry into the NFL. the Browns had a player on their team last season that did not go into the draft he was given a try out and he made the team, he was there for 2yrs, and there has been other players, Hutch did not do it he could have put his name back into the draft, henson could have put his name back into the draft, even though he was already drafted, by the Texans, so he is not a good example, but Hutch is.


You paying attention? You have to be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the NFL. That browns player and Hutch were BOTH 3 years removed from Highschool. Mike Williams is NOT 3 years removed from Highschool.

[TheHustler]

I want us to get to him now

You don't seem to understand the fact that he is NOT eligible to play in the NFL. Teams are NOT allowed to have contract talks with him. It can't and won't happen.

You seem to think he is eligible because he is "on the street"? What if he was
"in his house", is he still eligible? What about "in the gym"?

He's a student at USC. He is not three years removed from high school. We (nor any other NFL team) can NOT contact him. This is different from baseball. Baseball players can turn pro after high school.

[OLDSCHOOL]

He's attending USC. He's taking classes. He's just not playing football.


the last I heard is when the Ncaa ruled against him he went and signed his agent back and left school and started trainging for the NFL.

[OLDSCHOOL]

You paying attention? You have to be 3 years removed from highschool to play in the NFL. That browns player and Hutch were BOTH 3 years removed from Highschool. Mike Williams is NOT 3 years removed from Highschool.


No you are not listening, I have yet to say that he could play this season, I have been talking about next season, don't be dense. Okay.

[OLDSCHOOL]

You don't seem to understand the fact that he is NOT eligible to play in the NFL. Teams are NOT allowed to have contract talks with him. It can't and won't happen.

You seem to think he is eligible because he is "on the street"? What if he was
"in his house", is he still eligible? What about "in the gym"?

He's a student at USC. He is not three years removed from high school. We (nor any other NFL team) can NOT contact him. This is different from baseball. Baseball players can turn pro after high school.


You seem to think, that I'm talking about this season, he can play next season, whether he is in his house, gym, car, his girlfriend , his momma's house etc. They can talk with him and his agent. He is not in in school, he left school.

[Cajuncowboy]

Gotta tell you Oldschool, I want Williams as much as anyone. He would be a big addition to an old WR corp. That said, it is illeagal for any team to talk with any player who is not 3 years removed from high school. That is why Clarett sued the NFL and eventually lost. They cannot even talk about next year. He must be available first to all of the other teams and then we talk to him. We cannot however have contract talks or any negotiations with anyone unless we have the first pick in the draft. Then once the season is over and the time for declaring for the NFL has come, then we can talk to him. But not before. That's the rules.

[TheHustler]

You seem to think, that I'm talking about this season, he can play next season, whether he is in his house, gym, car, his girlfriend , his momma's house etc. They can talk with him and his agent. He is not in in school, he left school.

He is STILL in school.

"Mike will continue his education at USC, where he will train in preparation for his NFL career," Fleming said in a statement issued Tuesday.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3079244

Furthermore, REGARDLESS of whether or not he is in school, they can NOT talk to him. He is NOT three years removed from high school. What part of that don't you get?

[Hoffa]

Mike Williams is still at USC. My sister goes there and sees him on campus on a regular basis. He still helps coaches out at practices as well.

We CANNOT draft a RB because you cannot pass on Steven Jackson to trade down and get a RB and an extra first, and then draft ANOTHER RB with that first the next year. It's a flat out waste. I'd rather take someone later on if we're gonna take a RB at all.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Mike Williams is still at USC. My sister goes there and sees him on campus on a regular basis. He still helps coaches out at practices as well.

We CANNOT draft a RB because you cannot pass on Steven Jackson to trade down and get a RB and an extra first, and then draft ANOTHER RB with that first the next year. It's a flat out waste. I'd rather take someone later on if we're gonna take a RB at all.


Why can't you....seriously...unless some fan just wants to scream foul.

If you have a top end running back sitting there (high in the first round), he is the best player available, there is no other player on the board that you feel is worthy of a pick that high, you can not find a team to trade up and give you value for your pick.

Then you take that RB.

One thing people seem to forget....Jackson just happened to be considered the best back in the draft last year...in a crop of backs that were just not that great...that is why neither Jackson, K.Jones, C.Perry went high in the first round but instead fell down towards the bottom.

Let's make no mistake...Cadillac Williams will not fall like Jackson...C.Williams will be a back that is taken MUCH higher then Jackson.

I am not advocating taking the RB high....however if he is the best player, no other players are close to his value at that spot...and you can not find a team that is willing to give you fair trade value to move up...then you take the BPA on the board.

Hell we could just flat out revamp our entire Running game as it has been crap this year.

[OLDSCHOOL]

He is STILL in school.

"Mike will continue his education at USC, where he will train in preparation for his NFL career," Fleming said in a statement issued Tuesday.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3079244

Furthermore, REGARDLESS of whether or not he is in school, they can NOT talk to him. He is NOT three years removed from high school. What part of that don't you get?

I'm telling you he left school, now you can stick to that article all you want. I read that article too. The last thing I heard on ESPN after that article, maybe a 2 weeks later was that he signed an agent and left school.

They can talk to his agent he cannot play this season, that is true and I never spoke of him playing in the NFL this season, but he can play next season and not have to put his name in the draft at all, but teams can talk with his agent right now.

I know you'll say something else and that is fine, but I'm just telling you what can be done right now and the last thing I heard about him on ESPN.

The article you posted is true I read that and yes it is 3yrs after high school. That is also true, so what exactly is the problem? I have told you that I was not referring to him playing ball this season, and I've stated that ESPN reported that he left school and signed and agent and is continuing to work out for the NFL, I believe they said he is working out at this place in Florida where al ot of athletes go and get ready for pro Sports

[LaTunaNostra]

but teams can talk with his agent right now.

I don't think so. He and his agent, if he has one, are ineligible to be 'talked to" til he is three years past high school, whether he is in college or not.

If any team has been negotiating with him or his agent, it's not kosher.

[Rack Bauer]

I'm telling you he left school, now you can stick to that article all you want. I read that article too. The last thing I heard on ESPN after that article, maybe a 2 weeks later was that he signed an agent and left school.

They can talk to his agent he cannot play this season, that is true and I never spoke of him playing in the NFL this season, but he can play next season and not have to put his name in the draft at all, but teams can talk with his agent right now.

I know you'll say something else and that is fine, but I'm just telling you what can be done right now and the last thing I heard about him on ESPN.

The article you posted is true I read that and yes it is 3yrs after high school. That is also true, so what exactly is the problem? I have told you that I was not referring to him playing ball this season, and I've stated that ESPN reported that he left school and signed and agent and is continuing to work out for the NFL, I believe they said he is working out at this place in Florida where al ot of athletes go and get ready for pro Sports

Whether he's in school or not doesn't matter. He's still not three years removed from highschool so we can't contact him and can't offer him a contract until AFTER next year's draft. Period.

And you really need to wake up cuz there's no way in hell he WON'T enter the draft next year. Don't be dense, ok?

[TheHustler]

I give up. Believe what you want.

[Rack Bauer]

I give up. Believe what you want.


Same here. He's obviously not listening/reading.

1) we cannot contact Mike Williams right now. Period. End of story.

2) He WILL enter the draft next year. Period. End of story.


That's all I have to say. If that doesn't get through then I guess somebody is just too Dense.

[Meat-O-Rama]

Instead of relying on things you think you heard from ESPN, try reading the Los Angeles times which has made repeated mention of him attending classes, as well as showing up on the sidelines of games and mentoring "The Next Mike Williams" Dwayne Jarrett.

Please note that I am not making any predictions about Dwayne Jarrett and how he will turn out. I'm merely referencing the heavy burden being placed on him by Trojan fans who expect the same level of performance out of a kid with similar size/speed/ability coming out of HS.

[speedkilz88]

It wouldn't matter if Mike Williams played semi-pro football like Eric Swann(who declared and became a first round pick), he still wouldn't be eligible until he declares for the draft when he is out of high school for three years.

He would be automatically eligible for the draft when his original class graduates(4 years). This is how Hutchinson became a free agent his class graduated and he was not drafted.

Another example would be Joe Horn, he left Junior College and played in Canada. The chiefs still were able to draft him in the 5th round.

[Hostile]

Nah, OLDSCHOOL is smarter than the 32 GMs in the league.
You know, when you've got 4 or 5 knowledgable posters tellign you that you are wrong, offering articels and eye witness accounts you'd think it would be enough to convince a guy he is sadly mistaken about the ability to acquire this football player.

I am still amazed that at the end he was still maintaining the same wrong stance in spite of the irrefutable evidence in front of him.

This one line sarcastic comment by you is the circumstantial evidence that should have been the kicker to clus ehim in that he was simply completely wrong.

If it were possible to sign him so you didn't have to roll the dice in the draft 32 teams would be camped in his Living room trying to get a signature. Unreal that someone could think he found a loophole that all 32 teams were oblivious to.

Collective bargaining agreement? NFL Draft? Why bother with them just hand pick the guys you want, have them choose an agent, and sign them with no repurcussions from the NFL at all.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I have now heard it all.

[Sarge]

The bottom line is.........it doesn't matter WHAT he is doing right now, attending classes or not.

Until he is 3 years removed from highschool - he is NOT NFL eligible and thus NOT allowed to have discussions of any kind with any team - period.

It's that simple.

[TheHustler]

You know, when you've got 4 or 5 knowledgable posters tellign you that you are wrong, offering articels and eye witness accounts you'd think it would be enough to convince a guy he is sadly mistaken about the ability to acquire this football player.

I am still amazed that at the end he was still maintaining the same wrong stance in spite of the irrefutable evidence in front of him.

This one line sarcastic comment by you is the circumstantial evidence that should have been the kicker to clus ehim in that he was simply completely wrong.

If it were possible to sign him so you didn't have to roll the dice in the draft 32 teams would be camped in his Living room trying to get a signature. Unreal that someone could think he found a loophole that all 32 teams were oblivious to.

Collective bargaining agreement? NFL Draft? Why bother with them just hand pick the guys you want, have them choose an agent, and sign them with no repurcussions from the NFL at all.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I have now heard it all.

Yeah, some people just refuse to accept the facts. What can ya do? He's "ON THE STREET", lol.

[Hostile]

Yeah, some people just refuse to accept the facts. What can ya do? He's "ON THE STREET", lol.
So would 1000's of NCAA players be if it was that easy.

Oh well Hustler, you tried. Ultimately you can always say you were on the side of the right. :D

[Clay_Allison]

We did that once, 1960, Don Perkins and Don Meridith. The NFL didn't like it much but had to live with it. We did some slick dealing with Ralph Neely.

The fact is though, that you can't do that any more. If he was a Warren Moon, free agent sorta guy, then don't you think other teams would be talking to him. You haven't really come up with anything new here.

If people could sign him like Chad Hutchinson, as a rookie free agent thing, people would already be talking to him. You can't shock the league and sign a guy that everyone else thought had to go into the draft. These guys know the rules, they know what they can do and can't do, and if they got a chance too get a young, first-round quality guy as a rookie free agent, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

[mr.jameswoods]

No, he does not need to declare for the draft to gain entry into the NFL. the Browns had a player on their team last season that did not go into the draft he was given a try out and he made the team, he was there for 2yrs, and there has been other players, Hutch did not do it he could have put his name back into the draft, henson could have put his name back into the draft, even though he was already drafted, by the Texans, so he is not a good example, but Hutch is.

But what you don't understand is that he has to be 3 years removed from high school to play in the NFL regardless if he is currently playing for a college team or not. Yes, in June of 2005, he could sign with whoever he wanted and not declare himself for the draft but he can't do that now.

[speedkilz88]

But what you don't understand is that he has to be 3 years removed from high school to play in the NFL regardless if he is currently playing for a college team or not. Yes, in June of 2005, he could sign with whoever he wanted and not declare himself for the draft but he can't do that now.Actually he would have to declare himself for the draft if he wants to play next year. If he doesn't he would have to wait until 2006 and still be elgible to draft anyway.