Parcells Poll...simple replies

[Chuck 54]

Personally, I don't buy into all the blame Parcells is putting on the players because they aren't responding to the way he's always done it, meaning quite some time ago when he was successful and more consistant with it.

I'm curious to hear opinions on the suggestion that Parcells might quit, this year or next...someone referred to the unlikely idea that he'd walk away from a trainwreck. Ummmm....isn't he responsible for this trainwreck more than anyone else? It's not like he just showed up in August.

As for myself, I don't see how we'd be any worse off if he threw up his hands and quit than if he stayed through next year...I don't think he's capable of turning it around, and I think he has begun to lose the team.

I would not fire him or call for his resignation, but he's certainly not handling adversity the way one would expect a HOF coach from the old school to handle it...will he be crying on tv next? I don't think he'll win the players over at this point, and I have no faith in his personel decisions.

If he left and we hired a different coach, younger, more "today's NFL," I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it.

So....don't just attack my opinion, share your own: It's unlikely that he'd quit, but if he did, would you really be that upset about it?

[Doomsday101]

I still believe in Parcells ability to get this team back to the top so yes I would hate to see him retire any time soon

[dbair1967]

alot of people saying he wouldnt resign arnt listening to him IMO...

from his own mouth we've seen/heard "too old to lose"..."the end is getting close for me, I know that"..."I dont know how to fix what is wrong here"..."I am not getting through to these players"

like I said, the bigger trainwreck this ends up being the more likely it is to me that he'll walk away...if late in the yr we see that guys like Drew Henson and Julius Jones are what we hope they'll be and we win a couple games we arnt supposed to, maybe that will energize BP some and get him rearing for another go at it...

my money is on him retiring though

David

[InmanRoshi]

This is not a trainwreck. A trainwreck is when you're this bad and $20 million over the cap heading into next year.

Yes, I would be upset if he walked away. I still agree with pretty much all of his coaching philosophy. He didn't suddenly just forget how to coach. He oversold himself on some young guys because he didn't want to aquire a ton of overpriced players in free agency. Its still better to err on the side of caution in these things, and we're still in great shape cap wise for the foreseeable future.

Anyways, he's not going to quit until he's ready to retire forever. If you listen to him in the press conferences the past 24 months, it becomes obvious that he's come to the realization that being a football coach runs through his blood. If he could just voluntarily turn his back on the game, he would have done so by now. Its going to be something he continues to do until his health no longer allows it.

[Doomsday101]

alot of people saying he wouldnt resign arnt listening to him IMO...

from his own mouth we've seen/heard "too old to lose"..."the end is getting close for me, I know that"..."I dont know how to fix what is wrong here"..."I am not getting through to these players"

like I said, the bigger trainwreck this ends up being the more likely it is to me that he'll walk away...if late in the yr we see that guys like Drew Henson and Julius Jones are what we hope they'll be and we win a couple games we arnt supposed to, maybe that will energize BP some and get him rearing for another go at it...

my money is on him retiring though

David

I think your reading more into it than is there. I really do not think Parcells will walk away until this team does become a contender. I think as coaches their ego is such that they feel they can get the job done and given the oppertunity and in Parcells case I think the oppertunity is still there as I highly doubt Jones will fire him.

[blindzebra]

I'm on the fence about it.

He's been as bad this year as he was great last year. Then again we had all the breaks go for us last year and they've gone against us this season.

That said, I don't like our play calling on offense. Our personnel moves have been awful, and Parcells stubborness and arrogance, that continually shows up, have really turned me off.

[ddh33]

I don't really think Bill is going to walk away, and I don't think he should. I think he's just frustrated by this team, as well he should be. Personally, I think he's taking too much responsibility for this team's failures. Bill hasn't fumbled anything this season, and Bill can't create turnovers on his own. Players have to do something...

Now, I realize that he is responsible for many of these players being here, but it's the same decision that virtually all of us would have made. After all, Wiley can't be worse that Ek. Mario was a walking PI call last year. The list goes on and on...

The team from last year played way above their heads last season, and Bill was the main reason for it. He didn't just lose it. More than anything, the players did.

And if Parcells does decide to walk away, the Cowboys are worse off for it.

[Chuck 54]

I'm on the fence about it.

He's been as bad this year as he was great last year. Then again we had all the breaks go for us last year and they've gone against us this season.

That said, I don't like our play calling on offense. Our personnel moves have been awful, and Parcells stubborness and arrogance, that continually shows up, have really turned me off.
and that's you and me being turned off....we're Cowboys fans....one can only imagine what it does to the players who are looking to you for answers and hope.

[Doomsday101]

I don't really think Bill is going to walk away, and I don't think he should. I think he's just frustrated by this team, as well he should be. Personally, I think he's taking too much responsibility for this team's failures. Bill hasn't fumbled anything this season, and Bill can't create turnovers on his own. Players have to do something...

Now, I realize that he is responsible for many of these players being here, but it's the same decision that virtually all of us would have made. After all, Wiley can't be worse that Ek. Mario was a walking PI call last year. The list goes on and on...

The team from last year played way above their heads last season, and Bill was the main reason for it. He didn't just lose it. More than anything, the players did.

And if Parcells does decide to walk away, the Cowboys are worse off for it.

When things are not going good it is easy to find fault. Landry faced it as well after all not every draft picked worked out and not every game was the play calling great. No matter who the coach is there will always be those who will question him during adverse times. Parcells is a great coach but not a football god or a man above making mistakes, I do not know of any coach who was.

[O Skuul]

If Parcells remains he will likely have an issue with coaching next year anyway. Payton and Carthon potentially turned down coaching jobs of their own based on their buy-in and belief about this season. Obviously this season has been a set back and dissapointment for them. Will they jump, who knows, but if they do, Parcells will have to replace a big chunk of his staff perhaps including Zimmer, which many people want to see, but its not an ideal situation to turnover your staff and your team at the same time. Parcells may not have the stomach or patience to deal with that scenario, essentially replaying 2003 all over again. These may be good changes, but the fact is you have to go through the whole process of imprinting new coaches and new philosophy on the team again. This could be exactly what's needed but it would take time and effort, would Parcells be up for that.

[Sarge]

Until such time we get a bonafide running game established and a real QB, I don't think it matters who is coaching.

We need youth and speed coming out of the backfield. It appears BP doesn't agree with me there.

Even if VT gets the job done at QB, where will this TEAM be in 2 years when VT is not even in the league any longer?????

Answer: starting all over at the QB postion..

BP has taken the wrong approach. I think, personnel-wise, he has done a real ****ty job.

If he leaves - I will not be disappointed. If he stays, I'd like to see a change in his approach like perhaps putting a little faith into some younger players.

I don't see it happening though.

[Doomsday101]

Until such time we get a bonafide running game established and a real QB, I don't think it matters who is coaching.

We need youth and speed coming out of the backfield. It appears BP doesn't agree with me there.

Even if VT gets the job done at QB, where will this TEAM be in 2 years when VT is not even in the league any longer?????

Answer: starting all over at the QB postion..

BP has taken the wrong approach. I think, personnel-wise, he has done a real ****ty job.

If he leaves - I will not be disappointed. If he stays, I'd like to see a change in his approach like perhaps putting a little faith into some younger players.

I don't see it happening though.

Why Pennington did not start but when he came in he was ready, I don't think it is a given that when Vinny leaves that we are starting all over. Henson is not just sitting there doing nothing he studies as if he is going into the game and he is getting reps in practice. There are many QB just like Henson who sat and watched their rookie years and took advantage of that time by learning as much as they could so when they were called on they were ready.

[Sarge]

Why Pennington did not start but when he came in he was ready, I don't think it is a given that when Vinny leaves that we are starting all over. Henson is not just sitting there doing nothing he studies as if he is going into the game and he is getting reps in practice. There are many QB just like Henson who sat and watched their rookie years and took advantage of that time by learning as much as they could so when they were called on they were ready.

Pennington is an exception - not the rule. Besides - no matter how you look at it - it's starting over again at the QB position.

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells has been a worse GM than coach, that's for sure.

I agree with Sarge. Parcells can yell at Eddie George and Richie Anderson -- or call them stupid -- all he wants. They still won't be able to move any faster.

[Rocky]

I don't think he'll leave early and don't expect him to be replaced. He's too proud to abandon this club in dissaray. Personally, I'd like him to lead the Cowboys back to prominence because I admire the guy. The key to turning the team around is cultivating a dominant defense(via wise FA moves/draft picks) and potent ground game-- it's really not about the QB.

He's had a bad year thus far and let's hope much has been learned. In order to keep this simple, I'll just leave it at that.

[phdefense]

I believe he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. I which is the opposite of the non forethought non patient crowd wants. He is taking the methodical approach and is going to build this team frugally to where it will be a winner on a consistant basis and not just load up for one good run.

[Jimz31]

I'm on the fence about it.

He's been as bad this year as he was great last year. Then again we had all the breaks go for us last year and they've gone against us this season.

That said, I don't like our play calling on offense. Our personnel moves have been awful, and Parcells stubborness and arrogance, that continually shows up, have really turned me off.

What the.......a fence-sitter? :eek: ;)

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay or go after this year. Wait a minute....that makes me a fenc-sitter again....DANGIT!

I don't see him here in the fourth year of his contract unless some things start happening next year. If we end up 5-11 this year.....which is likely, and with 5 to 7 wins the year after that, he's gone.

[Cbz40]

Until such time we get a bonafide running game established and a real QB, I don't think it matters who is coaching.

We need youth and speed coming out of the backfield. It appears BP doesn't agree with me there.

Even if VT gets the job done at QB, where will this TEAM be in 2 years when VT is not even in the league any longer?????

Answer: starting all over at the QB postion..

BP has taken the wrong approach. I think, personnel-wise, he has done a real ****ty job.

If he leaves - I will not be disappointed. If he stays, I'd like to see a change in his approach like perhaps putting a little faith into some younger players.

I don't see it happening though.

Good stuff Sarge........I could not have said it any better so I want even try.

I do not see Bill walking away leaving this mess........whether that's good or bad I'm also on the fence. :confused:

[Hostile]

I still say he will fulfill all 4 years of his contract and stay 2 more years.

This is the stage and spotlight he has always wanted.

The ship will get righted, right now the wheelchairs, walkers, and canes just have us listing to one side a bit more than we like.

Drew Henson

Julius Jones

I'm telling you, they will make this offense go. Quincy Morgan needs to take up some of the slack of losing Glenn. That was a big blow.

[PlayMaker88]

I for one would be very dissapointed if Parcells were to leave. Parcells has proven time and time again, and yes in the salery cap era, that he is one of the top coaches of all time. I have coached football myself ( and I am not saying that to mean I know more than anyone else, just to share my insight ) as high as the arena league level and each season is like its own little school year to use an example. Things happen that influence the whole season such as personel moves. injuries, and some times just blind luck or lack there of. Dallas has had a slew of injuries , and yes I know all teams have, but sometimes its not how many you have , but who it is that is injured. Terry Glenn and Dan Campbell were very big parts of this offense. Not to mention the lack of speed loosing JJ cost them. Also while Pete Hunter was certainly a work in progress he had held the position all through camp. So injuries play a big part. There were also some bad decisions made early . I think No.1 Parcells over estimated his talent level at DT . I also think it was a bad move to get rid of Quincy so quick. I think that had a huge affect on the mental makeup of the team. In the long run I dont think Quincy was the answer at QB , but I also believe he had earned a shot to lead the team this year. I think that was also the mind-set of the players. Never underestimate the mental part of football . I also believe they rushed to sign Wiley after the free agent crop had dried up. Pay the extra money and get Barry. That being said I dont think the problem is that the game has passed Parcells by, but a combination of some of his GM decisions and injuries have taken a toll. I hope that he has learned from those and will make better one's next year. But hey thats just my opinon.............

[Chocolate Lab]

I still say he will fulfill all 4 years of his contract and stay 2 more years.

This is the stage and spotlight he has always wanted.

The ship will get righted, right now the wheelchairs, walkers, and canes just have us listing to one side a bit more than we like.

Drew Henson

Julius Jones

I'm telling you, they will make this offense go. Quincy Morgan needs to take up some of the slack of losing Glenn. That was a big blow.
Very true... I expect this offense to look entirely different late in the year with Henson, Morgan, and especially Julius playing. Of course it will be too late by then, but at least it's something to look forward to.

I think Parcells will definitely stay, because he's too competitive to go out like this. And I bet he thinks he can do much better next year with two high draft picks, a few free agents, a few new assistant coaches, and probably a new defensive scheme.

[blindzebra]

What the.......a fence-sitter? :eek: ;)

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay or go after this year. Wait a minute....that makes me a fenc-sitter again....DANGIT!

I don't see him here in the fourth year of his contract unless some things start happening next year. If we end up 5-11 this year.....which is likely, and with 5 to 7 wins the year after that, he's gone.

I was hoping you'd catch that one. :D

[DipChit]

Until such time we get a bonafide running game established and a real QB, I don't think it matters who is coaching.

We need youth and speed coming out of the backfield. It appears BP doesn't agree with me there.

Even if VT gets the job done at QB, where will this TEAM be in 2 years when VT is not even in the league any longer?????

Answer: starting all over at the QB postion..

BP has taken the wrong approach. I think, personnel-wise, he has done a real ****ty job.

If he leaves - I will not be disappointed. If he stays, I'd like to see a change in his approach like perhaps putting a little faith into some younger players.

I don't see it happening though.

But the cupboard was totally bare when he got here. QC and T-Ham as your starting backfield.. are you kidding me? It's not like he went to the Chargers where even Brees has some talent let alone Tomlinson to build around. He had zip for starters and zip as backups. He drafted JJ and has taken a shot with Henson. JJ got hurt and Henson wasnt ready to start the season.

So ok, you could've kept Q for no real purpose. Or signed some other journeyman QB besides Vinnie. Could've went with Staley instead of EG but where was that going to get you down the road? Wanna give a better shot to the Lee's and Craytons? Thats fine with me. I wouldnt get my hopes up too high although who knows, maybe you got another Terrell Davis and dont even know it, right? Even having to resort to those guys though once again shows how slim the pickings were to begin with.

Oh I'm sure he could've done something a little different to create a scenario where with certain FA's this year he could've made a run at the dance. You could say that about any team in the NFL anymore though. Get lucky, get a few breaks, have some guys have career years.

Kinda like Carolina last year. John Fox suddenly the next Lombardi. Cept oops.. they're 1-7 now.. and we think *we* have issues?

[Doomsday101]

Pennington is an exception - not the rule. Besides - no matter how you look at it - it's starting over again at the QB position.

Not true there are more QB's that did not play their rookie year than the ones who did so no Pennington is not the exception Rothenberger is the exception to the rule. Most coaches do not like starting rookie QB's and will not unless there is little option. And if as you say it is starting all over once Henson get in at least he starts off with a much better understanding of the offense and a better understanding of tendencies of defenses that he will face in the near future. According to Henson he prepairs as if he is starting each game spending time in the film room seeing what the defenses are doing as well as getting a better grasp of his own offense and where all of his targets are on any given play. I think your wrong if you don't think that helps a young QB.

[Portland Fanatic]

I for one do not want to see BP go anywhere...he is an excellent coach. With that said I am very frustrated at last years off-season strategy, which I still don't understand what it was. I also think he became very arrogant about his success from last season and thought he could do more with less...which has back fired big time.

I do think he is smart enough to figure out what he did wrong and will try to right them in this upcoming off-season and draft.

I do believe in BP, BUT that does not mean I will not publicly criticize moves I don't like...I'm a fan...and I'm gonna when I feel I need too.

Bottom line he is a proven winner and he has learned for himself he screwed up this last off-season and season...he will right the ship, however it will take a while before he does...hopefully by early next year.

[TruBlueCowboy]

But the cupboard was totally bare when he got here. QC and T-Ham as your starting backfield.. are you kidding me? It's not like he went to the Chargers where even Brees has some talent let alone Tomlinson to build around. He had zip for starters and zip as backups. He drafted JJ and has taken a shot with Henson. JJ got hurt and Henson wasnt ready to start the season.

So ok, you could've kept Q for no real purpose. Or signed some other journeyman QB besides Vinnie. Could've went with Staley instead of EG but where was that going to get you down the road? Wanna give a better shot to the Lee's and Craytons? Thats fine with me. I wouldnt get my hopes up too high although who knows, maybe you got another Terrell Davis and dont even know it, right? Even having to resort to those guys though once again shows how slim the pickings were to begin with.

Oh I'm sure he could've done something a little different to create a scenario where with certain FA's this year he could've made a run at the dance. You could say that about any team in the NFL anymore though. Get lucky, get a few breaks, have some guys have career years.

Kinda like Carolina last year. John Fox suddenly the next Lombardi. Cept oops.. they're 1-7 now.. and we think *we* have issues?

Good stuff. :cool:

[Nors]

Hall of fame coach. This isn't all on him.

But these decisions are haunting him/team.

Who evaluated Rogers/Peterman/Jones? A lot of excuses but NADA in the draft.
Why not grab Jackson at the time?

CB - They rolled the dice and lost. They could have had Winfield, Law But passed. You get what you pay for.

Injuries have decimated the team.

4-3 Wuss cover 2 versus attempting to move to an aggressive 3-4 capability - mistake not to follow through on his instincts.

Quincy Carter cut - TERRIBLE MISTAKE. Its proving out. Like Brown Sugar reported. That set this all a kilter.

[dbair1967]

Hall of fame coach. This isn't all on him.

But these decisions are haunting him/team.

Who evaluated Rogers/Peterman/Jones? A lot of excuses but NADA in the draft.
Why not grab Jackson at the time?

CB - They rolled the dice and lost. They could have had Winfield, Law But passed. You get what you pat for.

Injuries have decimated the team.

4-3 Wuss cover 2 versus attempting to move to an aggressive 3-4 capability - mistake not to follow through on his instincts.

Quincy Carter cut - TERRIBLE MISTAKE. Its proving out. Like Brown Sugar reported. That set this all a kilter.

you just wont let go of this Ty Law thing will you Nors?

3-4, yeah Oakland is really dominating the league arnt they Nors?

and Quincy Carter? please, we'd probably be 0-8 or 1-7 if he were starting

David

[Nors]

you just wont let go of this Ty Law thing will you Nors?

3-4, yeah Oakland is really dominating the league arnt they Nors?

and Quincy Carter? please, we'd probably be 0-8 or 1-7 if he were starting

David

hellooooooooooo you are a 4-3 advocate all offseason. Your base 4-3 is dead *** last in the NFL in turnovers. Your 4-3 defense sucks. Wait - you are trying to poach the guy who talked Parcells into weenie LB's and a passive wuss 4-3 cover 2.

MAYBE Law and some 3-4 was not a bad idea!

BS - Carter was 7-2 last year, had the team on the rise. We are 3-5 and spiraling into oblivion. 5 offensive TO's last week. I bet this is a better team with Quincy. No way we are any worse with Carter at the helm.

[dbair1967]

hellooooooooooo you are a 4-3 advocate all offseason. Your base 4-3 is dead *** last in the NFL in turnovers. Your 4-3 defense sucks. Wait - you are trying to poach the guy who talked Parcells into weenie LB's and a passive wuss 4-3 cover 2.

MAYBE Law and some 3-4 was not a bad idea!

BS - Carter was 7-2 last year, had the team on the rise. We are 3-5 and spiraling into oblivion. 5 offensive TO's last week. I bet this is a better team with Quincy. No way we are any worse with Carter at the helm.

we were 7-2 last yr at one point because our 4-3 defense with those weenie LB's was ranked 1st in the league and continually shut down the mediocre offensive teams we played...we'd be worse because Carter isnt capable of playign QB at a similar level that Vinny did...Vinny's had one bad game out of 8...Carter had 2 or 3 decent games out of 17 last yr, and the numbers prove it

and by the way, the 4-3 defense got us to 8 super bowls, and won 5...

David

[Nors]

This is team defenses sorted by Average yards given up per play. You like to banter Oakland - but they are top 15 there. There issues transcend D. lOOK AT ALL THOSE 4-3 D'S THAT SUCK - WE ARE IN BOTTOM 5.

How bout teams total 3-4 or use some 3-4? Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Jets, Pats, San Diego, Giants all up there.........

What about 4-3 Indi, Chiefs, Dallas, Saints, Minni at the bottom??????

you just wont let go of this Ty Law thing will you Nors?

3-4, yeah Oakland is really dominating the league arnt they Nors?

and Quincy Carter? please, we'd probably be 0-8 or 1-7 if he were starting

David

Total Defense
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen PenYds TOP TF L

Washington 8 483 261.0 4.3 14.8 30 112 26.8 2 7 28.6 52 431 28:40 10 4
Baltimore 8 515 281.0 4.4 16.8 40 116 34.5 0 2 0 54 413 30:44 10 6
Pittsburgh 8 456 261.6 4.6 16.4 31 98 31.6 3 6 50.0 50 397 25:34 18 9 Buffalo 8 457 268.1 4.7 15.4 38 104 36.5 4 5 80.0 65 455 28:42 13 4
Tampa Bay 8 487 290.2 4.8 16.5 44 114 38.6 1 4 25.0 63 491 30:29 11 6
Chicago 8 522 313.6 4.8 18.0 34 114 29.8 2 9 22.2 66 492 31:20 13 9
Denver 9 501 274.2 4.9 14.3 37 116 31.9 3 6 50.0 77 712 27:15 10 4
Miami 9 544 295.7 4.9 16.6 35 124 28.2 7 10 70.0 61 480 31:04 7 2
Seattle 8 502 313.1 5.0 16.2 43 115 37.4 2 4 50.0 45 367 29:51 11 7
Detroit 8 536 344.2 5.1 20.6 46 113 40.7 6 11 54.5 52 447 32:55 18 9
Philadelphia 8 544 348.5 5.1 20.6 48 121 39.7 8 14 57.1 53 411 32:27 16 8

New York (A) 8 486 317.1 5.2 18.1 40 103 38.8 3 6 50.0 46 406 28:23 15 8
New England 8 518 339.1 5.2 20.2 43 108 39.8 7 16 43.8 63 500 31:10 16 7
New York (N) 8 478 315.0 5.3 17.5 39 99 39.4 2 6 33.3 68 544 28:26 14 10
San Diego 9 549 320.9 5.3 19.7 38 106 35.8 7 13 53.8 54 500 29:19 12 7
Carolina 8 499 327.8 5.3 19.5 47 104 45.2 3 6 50.0 52 495 30:38 8 3
Arizona 8 506 338.2 5.3 19.1 36 104 34.6 5 7 71.4 68 527 29:01 20 11
San Francisco 8 504 333.0 5.3 20.0 40 104 38.5 5 5 100.0 51 422 31:19 10 3

Oakland 9 573 345.7 5.4 21.9 49 111 44.1 5 9 55.6 53 420 32:03 7 3 Cleveland 8 497 333.5 5.4 18.0 31 102 30.4 4 8 50.0 62 547 30:43 7 5
Jacksonville 8 497 341.9 5.5 19.5 47 103 45.6 2 2 100.0 52 428 30:54 15 7
Atlanta 8 522 361.4 5.5 20.4 39 106 36.8 8 11 72.7 75 553 32:59 13 8
Cincinnati 8 511 351.6 5.5 18.8 39 104 37.5 2 5 40.0 53 479 31:16 23 11
Tennessee 8 465 331.4 5.7 18.6 29 89 32.6 5 7 71.4 56 384 27:07 14 6
Green Bay 8 471 334.8 5.7 18.5 25 85 29.4 2 3 66.7 58 464 28:41 8 2

Houston 8 494 349.6 5.7 19.9 50 105 47.6 0 2 0 67 527 30:04 6 2
St. Louis 8 509 361.5 5.7 20.9 40 101 39.6 7 10 70.0 43 302 29:03 8 5
Minnesota 8 495 356.8 5.8 22.2 36 89 40.4 7 10 70.0 68 591 29:06 14 5
Dallas 8 472 340.8 5.8 18.6 42 98 42.9 0 1 0 53 435 30:16 8 1
Kansas City 8 454 349.6 6.2 19.0 28 87 32.2 4 11 36.4 48 422 26:29 8 1
Indianapolis 8 516 402.9 6.2 22.5 50 102 49.0 3 12 25.0 58 444 31:36 16 8
New Orleans 8 537 414.9 6.2 22.5 50 111 45.0 5 5 100.0 61 498 32:26 16 8
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[DipChit]

BS - Carter was 7-2 last year, had the team on the rise. We are 3-5 and spiraling into oblivion.

We were 7-2 until the 2nd half of the season rolled around. What did "Carter" do with the rest of our games. On yeah, finished 3-5 spiraling into oblivion.

Or maybe when we won it was because of Carter and lost it was for other reasons?

[Nors]

we were 7-2 last yr at one point because our 4-3 defense with those weenie LB's was ranked 1st in the league and continually shut down the mediocre offensive teams we played...we'd be worse because Carter isnt capable of playign QB at a similar level that Vinny did...Vinny's had one bad game out of 8...Carter had 2 or 3 decent games out of 17 last yr, and the numbers prove it

and by the way, the 4-3 defense got us to 8 super bowls, and won 5...

David

And Staubach, Dorsett, Pearson, Irvin, Aikman, Emmitt are not walking through that door. And if they do they are going to be old!

All this negativity on this board sucks. Really sucks.

[Nors]

We were 7-2 until the 2nd half of the season rolled around. What did "Carter" do with the rest of our games. On yeah, finished 3-5 spiraling into oblivion.

Or maybe when we won it was because of Carter and lost it was for other reasons?

10-6 for the season. We are going to end where this year? Did you watch the last game and FIVE turnovers?

[DipChit]

10-6 for the season. We are going to end where this year? Did you watch the last game and FIVE turnovers?

Did you watch the game before that where we scored 4 TD's on O for only the 2nd time this decade? Well I know you did because we used your "blueprint for success". Point being, one game at a time.

I have no idea where we'll finish up. We could go 1-7 the rest of the way or 6-2 who knows. Lets play the games and find out.

[Hostile]

10-6 for the season. We are going to end where this year? Did you watch the last game and FIVE turnovers?
If it doesn't work that way that the team finished 3-5 last year, why are you griping that we are 3-5 this year? We could finish 7-1 or even 8-0.

Be consistent.

[Chuck 54]

Was Carter a problem? yes...in many ways, not just on the field, but apparently guys did look up to him (maybe he was their supplier...j/k).

Would Carter have been the longterm answer over Henson? I hope to hell not...I'm hoping Henson will prove to be someone special, though I have my doubts.

Would we be a better team with Carter instead of Vinny? I'm one of the few who says a definite yes...Carter had Galloway and Glenn with a rookie TE in the first year of the offense...he got the job done, but was inconsistant....still, he brought another facet to the game with his mobility.

Vinny is the epitomy of inconsistancy himself....Give Carter a 2nd year in this offense with Keyshaun as his go to guy along with Witten's monster 2nd year and Glenn, with AB as the 3rd WR....I think Carter would definitely have won another game or two...maybe he'd have lost a game or two...I don't know...but I know the offense would have an added dimension on 3rd down and in the redzone...there's no questioning that.

Water under the bridge...Carter is a Jet now...it's unlikely he'd have been our long term guy anyway, but considering Parcells' feelings towards playing Henson, no one can say Carter would have slowed Henson's development...if anything, Vinny would have had more sideline time to mentor him.

We have kept plenty of players through much worse situations than a 2nd weed offense....It would be interesting to see just how many players over the years have had the 2nd offense...quietly, without our knowing. The problem didn't bother the Jets, and I'm sure they're plenty glad to have him right now.

Carter brought his release upon himself...and I don't really bemoan his release; however, I'd take him over Vinny any day of the week, and trust me for what I've said since this summer....Vinny may have the occasional good game, but overall he'll get worse and worse as the year progresses...he'll look older and older.

[Nors]

If it doesn't work that way that the team finished 3-5 last year, why are you griping that we are 3-5 this year? We could finish 7-1 or even 8-0.

Be consistent.

We need to finish 7-1 to replicate last year. You may be right there.

[Nors]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/


I'm rooting for the kid. How is he still playing with all these "drug" failures?

Why is he not suspended?

[mr.jameswoods]

Wayne


Good post I wrote a post describing this same idea. The problem is that we didn't hire Parcells from 1992. We hired the 2003 version of Parcells, which is a guy who came out of retirement who wants to win now because he knows he doesn't have much time left. Basically, Parcells was telling the Dallas Cowboys that he doesn't have the patience to drag this rebuilding process out to 5 years so he was going to do whatever it took to win a Superbowl in 3 years. That's why he go desperate and started hiring old guys like Vinny and Eddie George.

In a certain way this mentality is a positive thing for the team. It instills a sense of urgency and committment to win now. In many ways it has been bad because it sends a message that you aren't willing to build your team properly from the ground up and having the patience to see players develop. This is a huge reason why George was asked to start over Lee despite Lee having more potential.

I love Parcells but I'm not sure it was a good idea to hire a guy who gave you an ultimatum of "I'm only going to be here for 3 or 4 years so we better win now." If we hire a new coach, let's not pull a Dave Campo by promoting Payton or Carthon. Let's go out and find an assistant or college head coach who has proven himself and is willing to undergo a rebuilding process. No lame duck head coaches need apply

Parcells doesn't have the patience to undergo a rebuilding process If he doesn't see signs the team can compete in 2 years, he will quit the season. Mark my words. He doesn't have the patience. He would rather start over with the Indianapolis Colts or the Philadelphia Eagles if those teams don't make to the Superbowl.

[Nors]

Wayne


Good post I wrote a post describing this same idea. The problem is that we didn't hire Parcells from 1992. We hired the 2003 version of Parcells, which is a guy who came out of retirement who wants to win now because he knows he doesn't have much time left. Basically, Parcells was telling the Dallas Cowboys that he doesn't have the patience to drag this rebuilding process out to 5 years so he was going to do whatever it took to win a Superbowl in 3 years. That's why he go desperate and started hiring old guys like Vinny and Eddie George.

In a certain way this mentality is a positive thing for the team. It instills a sense of urgency and committment to win now. In many ways it has been bad because it sends a message that you aren't willing to build your team properly from the ground up and having the patience to see players develop. This is a huge reason why George was asked to start over Lee despite Lee having more potential.

I love Parcells but I'm not sure it was a good idea to hire a guy who gave you an ultimatum of "I'm only going to be here for 3 or 4 years so we better win now." If we hire a new coach, let's not pull a Dave Campo by promoting Payton or Carthon. Let's go out and find an assistant or college head coach who has proven himself and is willing to undergo a rebuilding process. No lame duck head coaches need apply

George and VT were hired to be backups and leaders to Julius Jones and Quincy Carter.

When those 2 went down he was playing plan B. This is not what he wanted.........

[twa]

I don't believe parcells is going anywhere.All this this pissing and moaning from the fans and parcells is frustration.

[mr.jameswoods]

George and VT were hired to be backups and leaders to Julius Jones and Quincy Carter.

When those 2 went down he was playing plan B. This is not what he wanted.........

Parcells didn't have to start Eddie George over Reshard Lee. Quincy Carter wasn't released because he got injured like Julius Jones. Parcells wanted him gone and then trumped up the drug accusation to justify cutting him. If Parcells wanted Carter, he would still be here. Parcells wanted Vinny to start after he saw both of them in camp.

[Champsheart]

Parcells stays as he should.
We just need to wipe all that has happened this year clean, get some new toys, and let Parcells do what he does best, COACH! He did a great job last year, and did not just forget overnight.

[mr.jameswoods]

Parcells stays as he should.
We just need to wipe all that has happened this year clean, get some new toys, and let Parcells do what he does best, COACH! He did a great job last year, and did not just forget overnight.


I want Parcells to stay but I don't think he will have the patience to endure a legimitate rebuilding process. that's what it's going to take to win. We aren't going to the playoffs next season either. That's how much rebuilding we have.

[Sarge]

I want Parcells to stay but I don't think he will have the patience to endure a legimitate rebuilding process. that's what it's going to take to win. We aren't going to the playoffs next season either. That's how much rebuilding we have.

I agree. Parcells has slowed the process down by a year if anything. Some of it - not his fault - a lot of it............ is.

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

Parcells should and WILL stay, getting this thing righted & making us all proud in the process. Yeah, he's made some mistakes this year. He's human. There's not a coach out there who doesn't. Given the talent level he's got to work with after the slew of injuries we've had, there's not a coach in the league that could win, moreso with the schedule we've got comming up.

We've all had the wind taken out of our sails, our great expectations for the season shot down in flames. We're not alone. Look at KC, high on everyones list to go to the big dance this year. Carolina, Tennessee, da Bears, Washington and others. All are in freefall right now. It's painful to watch and it well and truly sucks, no doubt about it, and it's going to get worse before it gets better, but it WILL get better.

We're all going to be there when it does, singing the man's praises when he turns it all around. Long live the DALLAS COWBOYS.

[wileedog]

I can't believe this same group of fans who after Jimmy have gone through Switzer, Gailey and Campo now want Parcells gone.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[Chuck 54]

I can't believe this same group of fans who after Jimmy have gone through Switzer, Gailey and Campo now want Parcells gone.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
The original question was not for dismissing Parcells...it was simply regarding how upset you'd be if he left...or not.

I was never a fan of his to begin with...never liked him, and I hate seeing the enemy on Dallas sidelines...however, like any fickle fan, I applauded last year's record. This year he is an embarrassment to me...notice I didn't say the record or the team is an embarrassment...they are simply disappointing. Parcells' response, reaction, and public persona is an embarrassment to me. He needs to get his butt in gear, start talking some fire and brimstone with someone over football instead of over the media's questions...he needs to say he has a plan and is staying the course and will get the job done, even if it's a lie. Don't tell the world his team is "dumb," that he doesn't know what the problem is or how to fix it or what to do next or how to communicate it to the team.....that's embarrassing, and it needs to stop.

For the record, I never liked Switzer, but he did not ruin the team...he won a super bowl and came darn close to another. Campo was a mistake. As for Chan Gailey, it was a huge mistake letting him and his creative offensive genius leave...he would have been just fine if JJ had supported him in the face of spoiled veterans....his offense began by putting up 30 points a game for several games in a row before injuries and inner turmoil took over. I'd personally take him over Parcells right now, today. I'm not saying he's a better coach or has accomplished more....duh....I just like him and his style better.

[slick325]

I for one would be very dissapointed if Parcells were to leave. Parcells has proven time and time again, and yes in the salery cap era, that he is one of the top coaches of all time. I have coached football myself ( and I am not saying that to mean I know more than anyone else, just to share my insight ) as high as the arena league level and each season is like its own little school year to use an example. Things happen that influence the whole season such as personel moves. injuries, and some times just blind luck or lack there of. Dallas has had a slew of injuries , and yes I know all teams have, but sometimes its not how many you have , but who it is that is injured. Terry Glenn and Dan Campbell were very big parts of this offense. Not to mention the lack of speed loosing JJ cost them. Also while Pete Hunter was certainly a work in progress he had held the position all through camp. So injuries play a big part. There were also some bad decisions made early . I think No.1 Parcells over estimated his talent level at DT . I also think it was a bad move to get rid of Quincy so quick. I think that had a huge affect on the mental makeup of the team. In the long run I dont think Quincy was the answer at QB , but I also believe he had earned a shot to lead the team this year. I think that was also the mind-set of the players. Never underestimate the mental part of football . I also believe they rushed to sign Wiley after the free agent crop had dried up. Pay the extra money and get Barry. That being said I dont think the problem is that the game has passed Parcells by, but a combination of some of his GM decisions and injuries have taken a toll. I hope that he has learned from those and will make better one's next year. But hey thats just my opinon.............

Very good post Playmaker. I think from a morale standpoint the cutting of Carter was the final straw that broke the camels back. The mental part of football is more important than the physical at times. This team believed they were close last year and all knew the weaknesses they had going into the offseason, they after all are at every practice as well as the coaches. We needed a RDE, DT and a CB on defense to complete the number 1 defense and we needed consistent play at the QB position, an upgrade at RB, and a possession WR on offense.

The team sat and watched as the GM and Coach did nothing in free agency to address any of the weaknesses. They watched Javon Kearse sign with the team that beat them for the division last year. They watched as corners were signed left and right without a move being made. They watched as the draft came and the #1 RB on the board was passed on by the GM and Coach so we can have a pick for '05. They watched as we didn't draft a DT. Then, the playoff QB was released prior to camp. The same QB who Darren Woodson just days before the release on Sportscenter with Dan Patrick gave a ringing endorsement as a locker room leader who the team believed in. He also stated that with Key, Glenn, AB and Witten we should see improvement in Carter. Also days before on the Best Damn Sports Show Roy Williams spoke about the belief the team has in Carter and how the team expected to see a great deal of growth from him in his 2nd season under the same system. Once the word came down about the release it probably crushed the teams morale as a culmination of a poor offseason.

[slick325]

we were 7-2 last yr at one point because our 4-3 defense with those weenie LB's was ranked 1st in the league and continually shut down the mediocre offensive teams we played...we'd be worse because Carter isnt capable of playign QB at a similar level that Vinny did...Vinny's had one bad game out of 8...Carter had 2 or 3 decent games out of 17 last yr, and the numbers prove it

and by the way, the 4-3 defense got us to 8 super bowls, and won 5...

David

What level is Vinny playing on? He has 10 Int's and 9 TD's. He has more career picks than touchdowns. He is the poster child of average to below average quarterbacking. This also is a man who was the number 1 pick in his draft class. He is a flop if you consider that he is a number 1 overall pick, more is expected of them. Aikman, Elway, Bradshaw, Plunkett all won Super Bowls. Bledsoe led his team to a Super Bowl and played an instrumental role getting them to another by throwing a TD in relief in the AFC Championship game when Brady went down. Payton Manning has all the makings of being one of the best ever. This is what I hold and everyone else should hold a number 1 overall pick who is a QB up to. Vinny is not an upgrade at QB, he is merely an old version of status quo with no "potential" to improve. The old Leopard will not change his spots. He was average to below average in his 20's and is the same now.

[crazylegs]

Personally, I don't buy into all the blame Parcells is putting on the players because they aren't responding to the way he's always done it, meaning quite some time ago when he was successful and more consistant with it.

I'm curious to hear opinions on the suggestion that Parcells might quit, this year or next...someone referred to the unlikely idea that he'd walk away from a trainwreck. Ummmm....isn't he responsible for this trainwreck more than anyone else? It's not like he just showed up in August.

As for myself, I don't see how we'd be any worse off if he threw up his hands and quit than if he stayed through next year...I don't think he's capable of turning it around, and I think he has begun to lose the team.

I would not fire him or call for his resignation, but he's certainly not handling adversity the way one would expect a HOF coach from the old school to handle it...will he be crying on tv next? I don't think he'll win the players over at this point, and I have no faith in his personel decisions.

If he left and we hired a different coach, younger, more "today's NFL," I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep over it.

So....don't just attack my opinion, share your own: It's unlikely that he'd quit, but if he did, would you really be that upset about it?

I'm not so sure that singling Parcells out is the only answer.

I think a global nuclear solution is in order for this team, from the very top down. If this takes 5 years then fine, but no more Mickey mousing around with 6 or so wins every year.

Something serious needs to be done in Iraq, right after we first fix the Cowboys.

[slick325]

Was Carter a problem? yes...in many ways, not just on the field, but apparently guys did look up to him (maybe he was their supplier...j/k).

Would Carter have been the longterm answer over Henson? I hope to hell not...I'm hoping Henson will prove to be someone special, though I have my doubts.

Would we be a better team with Carter instead of Vinny? I'm one of the few who says a definite yes...Carter had Galloway and Glenn with a rookie TE in the first year of the offense...he got the job done, but was inconsistant....still, he brought another facet to the game with his mobility.

Vinny is the epitomy of inconsistancy himself....Give Carter a 2nd year in this offense with Keyshaun as his go to guy along with Witten's monster 2nd year and Glenn, with AB as the 3rd WR....I think Carter would definitely have won another game or two...maybe he'd have lost a game or two...I don't know...but I know the offense would have an added dimension on 3rd down and in the redzone...there's no questioning that.

Water under the bridge...Carter is a Jet now...it's unlikely he'd have been our long term guy anyway, but considering Parcells' feelings towards playing Henson, no one can say Carter would have slowed Henson's development...if anything, Vinny would have had more sideline time to mentor him.

We have kept plenty of players through much worse situations than a 2nd weed offense....It would be interesting to see just how many players over the years have had the 2nd offense...quietly, without our knowing. The problem didn't bother the Jets, and I'm sure they're plenty glad to have him right now.

Carter brought his release upon himself...and I don't really bemoan his release; however, I'd take him over Vinny any day of the week, and trust me for what I've said since this summer....Vinny may have the occasional good game, but overall he'll get worse and worse as the year progresses...he'll look older and older.

Good post Wayne. I agree, Carter brought this upon himself. Had he done what he was supposed to do and never give the Coach or Owner/GM an opportunity to release him, he may still be here.

[slick325]

Now, to answer the question posed by Mr. Motley. I would be bothered if Coach Parcells walks away after this season. He is a great coach. He made mistakes this offseason and he is bright enough to realize that. I want him to correct the mistakes this offseason and acquire more talent. With talent, coaching is much easier. I want Coach Parcells to be the coach to lead us back to prominence.

[wileedog]

I was never a fan of his to begin with...never liked him, and I hate seeing the enemy on Dallas sidelines...however, like any fickle fan, I applauded last year's record. This year he is an embarrassment to me...notice I didn't say the record or the team is an embarrassment...they are simply disappointing. Parcells' response, reaction, and public persona is an embarrassment to me. He needs to get his butt in gear, start talking some fire and brimstone with someone over football instead of over the media's questions...he needs to say he has a plan and is staying the course and will get the job done, even if it's a lie. Don't tell the world his team is "dumb," that he doesn't know what the problem is or how to fix it or what to do next or how to communicate it to the team.....that's embarrassing, and it needs to stop.

So your problem is how he deals with the media? You'd rather he lie to you about having a plan and that everything is fine?

You want a politician or a football coach?

My only point is successfull NFL football coaches don't grow on trees. Even guys that tear it up in college often get their buts handed to them when they come up to the pros. We've got a HOFer and we're *****ing that he called his dumb team dumb?

Switzer won with Jimmy's leftovers. Gailey started the losing, Campo cemented it. We've had an incredible dearth of talent added to this team since Jerry took over the draft room. You want to ***** at someone get onthe phone with Jerry and Larry Lacewell.

I cn count on one hand the number of coaches that could have walked in with last years talentless squad and have taken them 10-6.

Were mistakes made this offseason? Absolutely. Are there guys on this team who shouldn't be here? Yup. Did Parcells massively over-estimate what this team could do this season? You bethchya.

Bill Cowher is a very, very good NFL coach, but he's had some absolutely horrible years with Pittsburgh - the Kordell experiment was a multi-year fiasco. And yet he's been there over a decade. Why? Because you don't throw away a good NFL coach because he had a bad offseason. Or even a bad season or two. Period. There just aren't that many good ones around.

Bill might rub you the wrong way and that's fine - I'm sure his ex-wife would agree with you wholeheartedly. But saying that Bill is an 'embarrassment' is just over-reaction IMO.

[OLDSCHOOL]

I agree until we get a Bonafide QB and a running game(RB) we are what we are now. And whenever we get that Bonafide QB we will have to start over with him, but hopefully it will be easier and a little faster for him because we "Hopefully will have all the other spots filled.

Now as for Parcells, IMO he has been the same this season as he was last season, no worse and no better. I felt that he held the team back last season and I feel he is doing it again this season.

Now, with his comment about him coaching the same way he has always coached. That right there IMO is the reason why this team is where it is, he needs to adapt to his players, their talent and to the ever changing NFL.
Yes, he builds his system around his player's talents but he needs to also do that with his approach to coaching them too.

Those very same players that are said to not be buying into his system are players he picked so that means he needs to do more changing himself, adapting.

I said this about Gibbs when people were saying that the Skins would be a contender because of Gibbs, " I said Gibbs never dealt with the slary cap and he will have to get use to the attitudes of the athletes today, once he gets adjusted if he stays long enough the Skins will be a team to watch out for.

[Nightshade]

I'd be disapointed to see him leave.

For the most part I think he's been very effective getting us back on track.
I haven't agreed with everything he's done. I hate the way he drafts so much crud after round 4, just looking for a punt/kick returner. Sure we got a couple of players out of those rounds, but that's just a bit of luck. What he really wanted with those picks is some kind of incredible return man... which he didn't get.

I hate that he got rid of Swinton, and Daleroy at the time he did it.

But...

I like the Julius Jones and a draft pick decision. I like the effect all of Bills guys has had on the team. Larry Allen has improved immeasurably. I like the fact that he's not rushing Henson despite all the pressure to do so. It'll benefit Henson immeasurably and therefore benefit the fans. I think most of our problems are attributalbe to a hole truck load of injuries. Parcells has to blame himself but our secondary is decimated so everbody throws on us.

Kareem Larimore, Derrick Ross, Dwayne Goodrich... all these busts aren't Parcells fault. He's just reaping the rewards of those bad picks.

Have patience. I sure hope Parcells can, cause things will turn around.

[Bach]

Switzer won with Jimmy's leftovers. Gailey started the losing, Campo cemented it. We've had an incredible dearth of talent added to this team since Jerry took over the draft room. You want to ***** at someone get onthe phone with Jerry and Larry Lacewell.


Exactly.

Parcells' personnel decisions may prove to be poor too. But it's hard to overcome about 9 years of incompetency by Jerry and Larry.

As I HC, I'll give BP the benefit of the doubt. Heck, he took the mess he inherited and led them to the playoffs in year one.

This year is a mess but Parcells has shown he can win. Jerry has shown he can't do anything without a strong HC who also has say over personnel.

[Chuck 54]

So your problem is how he deals with the media? You'd rather he lie to you about having a plan and that everything is fine?

You want a politician or a football coach?

My only point is successfull NFL football coaches don't grow on trees. Even guys that tear it up in college often get their buts handed to them when they come up to the pros. We've got a HOFer and we're *****ing that he called his dumb team dumb?

Switzer won with Jimmy's leftovers. Gailey started the losing, Campo cemented it. We've had an incredible dearth of talent added to this team since Jerry took over the draft room. You want to ***** at someone get onthe phone with Jerry and Larry Lacewell.

I cn count on one hand the number of coaches that could have walked in with last years talentless squad and have taken them 10-6.
Were mistakes made this offseason? Absolutely. Are there guys on this team who shouldn't be here? Yup. Did Parcells massively over-estimate what this team could do this season? You bethchya.

Bill Cowher is a very, very good NFL coach, but he's had some absolutely horrible years with Pittsburgh - the Kordell experiment was a multi-year fiasco. And yet he's been there over a decade. Why? Because you don't throw away a good NFL coach because he had a bad offseason. Or even a bad season or two. Period. There just aren't that many good ones around.

Bill might rub you the wrong way and that's fine - I'm sure his ex-wife would agree with you wholeheartedly. But saying that Bill is an 'embarrassment' is just over-reaction IMO.
nice post, and good point in bold....I'll simply reply that I'm sure there are more coaches than I can count on both hands who could have taken last year's 10-6 team, fine tuned it during the off season and won more games than Parcells has this year, along with having the team in a better place than the disarray we saw last week and in BP's press conference.

Again, no one says he's a washed up coach, but right now I want him to start acting like a great coach....I don't think he has been lately.

[Doomsday101]

nice post, and good point in bold....I'll simply reply that I'm sure there are more coaches than I can count on both hands who could have taken last year's 10-6 team, fine tuned it during the off season and won more games than Parcells has this year, along with having the team in a better place than the disarray we saw last week and in BP's press conference.

Again, no one says he's a washed up coach, but right now I want him to start acting like a great coach....I don't think he has been lately.

Sounds like a comment once made by Jerry Jones

[InmanRoshi]

Doomsday .. you're wasting your time. The villagers are restless and they are ready to storm the castle with torches and pitchforks.

Yeah, let's throw Heson to the angry mob for the rest of this year. Now there's a sound and pragmatic idea. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong. LOL.

[crazylegs]

Doomsday .. you're wasting your time. The villagers are restless and they are ready to storm the castle with torches and pitchforks.

Yeah, let's throw Heson to the angry mob for the rest of this year. Now there's a sound and pragmatic idea. I don't see how that could possibly go wrong. LOL.

"let's throw Heson to the angry mob for the rest of this year. Now there's a sound and pragmatic idea."

Wow, it doesn't seem like you know, that there are two sides to the fence?

You say throw him to the angry mobs. I say give Henson a chance. If he wins great, if he loses then plan b; throw him to the wolfs err.. angry mob.

My plan: If I'm right (as in right now) we don't draft a QB next year, if I'm wrong we draft a QB next year.

Your plan: Sit Henson on the bench today; next year evaluate him in TC, if he pans out and your right 2005 looks good, if your wrong then pick up a 2005 QB FA, and draft in 2006.

Does your idea still look timely yet still manageable?

[BUSDRIV3RDH]

I openly question his ways, especially as of late. But that's mearly as I kill time till his true judgement day, Draft Day 2005, Day 1. Which by that time he will have had ample time to make considerable changes and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 2005 was the "aim" year.

I want to see atleast 2 starters drafted, with 1 impact player. And atleast 2 decent FA aquisitions by that time, and no Testeverde/George/Wiley like bargain bin signings.

If this does not happen, he does not deserve to be associated with the Star. Send him to Cleveland with Campo. I think he's going to do what he has to do though, the faith still remains...for now.

[The Major]

What level is Vinny playing on? He has 10 Int's and 9 TD's. He has more career picks than touchdowns. He is the poster child of average to below average quarterbacking. This also is a man who was the number 1 pick in his draft class. He is a flop if you consider that he is a number 1 overall pick, more is expected of them. Aikman, Elway, Bradshaw, Plunkett all won Super Bowls. Bledsoe led his team to a Super Bowl and played an instrumental role getting them to another by throwing a TD in relief in the AFC Championship game when Brady went down. Payton Manning has all the makings of being one of the best ever. This is what I hold and everyone else should hold a number 1 overall pick who is a QB up to. Vinny is not an upgrade at QB, he is merely an old version of status quo with no "potential" to improve. The old Leopard will not change his spots. He was average to below average in his 20's and is the same now.

"...He has 10 Int's and 9 TD's..."

This is deceiving. He`s had some TD passes dropped and had only 4 picks before having to play with only 1 proven reliable WR and TE going into the Det. game. At least 2 picks weren`t his fault and who knows how many others. He also more than made up for the picks against Det. in the passing game by actually running for 1 TD and throwing 3 TD passes. The last one was a thing of beauty and clinched the victory for Dal. His QB rating was very good in the high 80`s going into the Det. game and still good in the low 80`s even after the Cin. game. This shows, in large part, just how well VT played going into the Cin. game.

"...He has more career picks than touchdowns..."

Sorry to say so but this is untrue. VT presently has 260 TD passes and 245 picks in his career! In fact, he`s had one of the best TD-Int. %`s in the NFL since getting out of TB. During that time, he`s thrown 183 TD`s to 130 picks. That`s 53 more TD passes since TB.

"...He is the poster child of average to below average quarterbacking..."

This may or may not be true of him all those yrs. he was with TB. But since TB, in 8 seasons of starting 8 games or more, he`s passed his teams to the Playoffs 3 times. He won there 2 of those times. This includes passing his team to the AFC Championship game and less than a half from the SB. He`s also made the Pro Bowl twice. Imho, this may not be great to some but, at the very least, it`s good and most certainly not average to below average.

"...he is merely an old version of status quo..."

...not true...

"...The old Leopard will not change his spots..."

They changed once he got out of TB. It`s no coincidence then that this is when he started turning all his bad nos. completely around!

"...He was average to below average in his 20's and is the same now..."

No he`s not as I`ve just shown. Truth be known, he`s much better now then he ever was in his 20`s, most of which were wasted on horrible TB teams!