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Peterman60
11-10-2004, 09:53 AM
What do you guys think? DO we take a WR on day one? I would think yes, but this year's crop is thin. Does anybody know who worth taking on day one of the draft?

mperfection
11-10-2004, 09:55 AM
What do you guys think? DO we take a WR on day one? I would think yes, but this year's crop is thin. Does anybody know who worth taking on day one of the draft?

Mike Williams.

'nough said!

Chuck 54
11-10-2004, 09:56 AM
What do you guys think? DO we take a WR on day one? I would think yes, but this year's crop is thin. Does anybody know who worth taking on day one of the draft?
Depends on who's available when our picks come up....take the best impact player available regardless of position. We absolutely need an impact WR, whether that is taken care of in free agency or the draft.

I never spend too much time on the draft or whom I want until after I see what we do in free agency....that usually answers most questions....unfortunately, it didn't happen last year.

Peterman60
11-10-2004, 09:57 AM
I know, that's a no brainer, but who else is out there worth a pick?

MichaelWinicki
11-10-2004, 09:58 AM
What do you guys think? DO we take a WR on day one? I would think yes, but this year's crop is thin. Does anybody know who worth taking on day one of the draft?


Yeah I think a WR comes to us with one of our first 3 selections. The other two being a DE and a DT... unless Rolle falls to us somehow. I don't want Middy to punch me in the face. :D

BrAinPaiNt
11-10-2004, 10:11 AM
I am hoping that Josh Davis of Marshall falls in the draft and we can get him with a later pick.

silverbear
11-10-2004, 10:14 AM
Yeah, I could make a case for drafting a WR pretty early... so now, the question becomes which WR...

My sleeper pick, likely to be a second round choice as things stand right now, is Vincent Jackson of Northern Colorado... think Plaxico Burress, without the punk attitude... 6-6, 230 pounds, 4.5 second 40...

In the first round, the Boys could do worse than picking up Braylon Edwards, who I think is a poor man's Michael Irvin...

iceberg
11-10-2004, 10:20 AM
let's identify our needs, let's see what FA's we can get to fill them, then we draft what we can around that where it applies.

if we can find a good wr in FA (speaking of which, did you know marvin harrison is a FA? can the colts afford both? hmmm...then again, would he be worth the cash it will take to sign him at this point? questions abound i tell you!) then we don't draft one. if we can't, we look to draft if we can and if one is there. if by our pick 2 wr's are gone, is the 3rd wr worth it for that spot?

too many questions to be focused on a position right now.

Hostile
11-10-2004, 10:30 AM
If we have a chance at Mike Williams and don't take him it will be a huge mistake. Players that gifted do not come along every day.

If we don't get him just get 3 defensive studs with our two 1sts and 2nd and I will be thrilled.

I wouldn't touch any other WR on day 1. I don't see it as a huge need if Glenn is back. Williams is the exception. He's simply better than anyone else out there. Even if he doesn't play this year which is a joke IMO. Given the circumstances the NCAA would have garnered respect by not hurting the kid and acting in his best interests.

TheHustler
11-10-2004, 10:46 AM
We take BPA that fills one of our MANY needs. I'm not sure there's a spot on the roster that couldn't use an upgrade/depth.... maybe TE.

Oh_Canada
11-10-2004, 10:48 AM
I think Mark Clayton would be a nice late second or third round pick.
He's tough, sure handed and comes from a winning program. He might not be the most glamourous pick, but he's a sure one and would add to the depth of the receiving corps.

TheHustler
11-10-2004, 11:17 AM
I think Mark Clayton would be a nice late second or third round pick.
He's tough, sure handed and comes from a winning program. He might not be the most glamourous pick, but he's a sure one and would add to the depth of the receiving corps.

Isn't he the guy on ESPN? He doesn't look like a good WR at all.... ;)

Yakuza Rich
11-10-2004, 11:22 AM
I say no. Glenn and Johnson appear to have at least 2 more years left in them. Morgan is young and can play the slot wideout spot. Then there's Crayton, who I'm high on to become a nice #2 receiver a few years down the line.

I think they need to look at defense predominantly in the draft, especially with the front seven. Take a WR in the 4th or 5th round at the earliest.

Rich.................

shnagy
11-10-2004, 11:30 AM
I am hoping that Josh Davis of Marshall falls in the draft and we can get him with a later pick.
I think Davis will go around the 3rd round, but we tend to go away from the Marshall players, examples Leftwich, Moss, Darius Watts (who was better than Davis), so on......

Verdict
11-10-2004, 03:53 PM
I think Mark Clayton would be a nice late second or third round pick.
He's tough, sure handed and comes from a winning program. He might not be the most glamourous pick, but he's a sure one and would add to the depth of the receiving corps.

You took the words right out of my mouth. This guy is a very solid clutch performer. He wont be a dominant #1 receiver like Randy Moss, but he will be a very good M. Irvin type receiver.

jterrell
11-10-2004, 04:07 PM
I think we do go WR in round 1 or 2. We need to move beyond Dedric Ward, Randel Williams and other scrubs. Keeping 1 of Crayton/Copper is more than enough potential types. We need guys who can play now.

*'s for underclassmen who would have to declare early.
1st round guys
Braylon Edwards Michigan--safest pick. Big, Fast and can jump. Has played well this year.
*Mike Williams USC--highest upside but biggest gamble.
*Chris Henry West Virginia--high upside with good performances this year but volatile. Could be next in long line of great wacko WRs

Round 2 guys
Terrence Murphy(BS' nephew if I recall correctly)--TAMU WRs have been better pros then college players.
*Todd Watkins BYU--Gaining recognition but plays in smaller conference. Big time numbers.
Mark Clayton Oklahoma -- Reminds alot of Peter Warrick. Superquick but lacks top end speed. Perfect nickel Wr type.
Craphonso Thorpe Florida St.--Great numbers and good skill level. Could be a Laverneous Coles type with better numbers as a number 2 guy.
*Derek Hagen Arizona State--Someone at ASU has to ctach all those passes and this guy has done it.
Geoff McArthur California-- See above.
Fred Gibson Georgia -- Great teams have big time players and Gibson has been a game breaker for Georgia. Could be worth a 2nd after a trade down to middle of the round and pick back up a 3rd.

jamez25
11-10-2004, 04:51 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth. This guy is a very solid clutch performer. He wont be a dominant #1 receiver like Randy Moss, but he will be a very good M. Irvin type receiver.
he is about 5'10" and 180 lbs. no way is he a M.Irvin type...and no way does he fall to the 2nd and or 3rd round.

montgod
11-10-2004, 05:34 PM
I say no. Glenn and Johnson appear to have at least 2 more years left in them. Morgan is young and can play the slot wideout spot. Then there's Crayton, who I'm high on to become a nice #2 receiver a few years down the line.

I think they need to look at defense predominantly in the draft, especially with the front seven. Take a WR in the 4th or 5th round at the earliest.

Rich.................

WR is a pressing need, but I think better options/needs in the earlier rounds are on the defensive side. Need to keep the BPA mindset when drafting. Besides, there will be a few WR available via FA next year like Givens from NE.

Anyone hoping that a trade happens on or before draft day for M. Moore or O. Smith? That should stir the pot... :)

S. Fla Sting
11-10-2004, 09:47 PM
If we are taking a WR with our first I would prefer to take Braylon Edwards over Mike Williams. I believe they are both going to be great Wrs but Mikes size scares me. Being that tall and with that big of a frame at 19 or 20 is my concern, what is the kid like 6-5" 230. I just dont see him maintaining his speed and agility being that size. Maybe Im wrong, but I would rather have Edwards. I like Fred Gison from Georgia in round 2 also.

Bluefin
11-10-2004, 10:06 PM
I don't believe wide receiver should be ruled out during day one, but where will it rank with three veterans returning and needs galore elsewhere on the team?

If Dallas has the chance to add a stud, smile and do it.

The Vikings had other needs besides wide receiver and still selected Randy Moss with veterans Cris Carter and Jake Reed on the team in '98.

The Cowboys need to add talent during the draft, regardless of where it will help the team.

Talent is most important to me, how the player fits, team need and character should all play a secondary role in determining the selection process, IMO.

BUSDRIV3RDH
11-10-2004, 10:13 PM
We passed on Randy Moss and have been paying for it ever since. It's like we've been cursed to not have any offensive playmakers on this team since. But now we have a chance to break that jinx and pick Mike Williams!

I'm tired of the penny pinching, coupon shopping, Jerry Jones of today. He's been on this kick ever since the Trips started going down. Like all of a sudden he thought the "mystique" of the Dallas Cowboys alone was enough to bring home championships. Much in the same way when he brought Switzer in, trying to prove a point, only now he's doing it with players.

It's time to grab someone of stature in the draft! Roy Williams has been absolutly it in the last 5-10 years.

Put Henson In
11-10-2004, 10:39 PM
Whoever compared Clayton to Irvin should
a) Watch college football, specifically ou games
b) if a is complete and they still stand by their original statement, then
c) banned from posting.

mr.jameswoods
11-11-2004, 01:50 AM
I think you take the best player availabe regardless of what position he plays. You take a player who can make an impact right away and is not going to have a steep learning curve. If there is a receiver on the same level of Larry Fitzgerald available then you take that player.

starfrombirth
11-11-2004, 06:48 AM
If we are taking a WR with our first I would prefer to take Braylon Edwards over Mike Williams. I believe they are both going to be great Wrs but Mikes size scares me. Being that tall and with that big of a frame at 19 or 20 is my concern, what is the kid like 6-5" 230. I just dont see him maintaining his speed and agility being that size. Maybe Im wrong, but I would rather have Edwards. I like Fred Gison from Georgia in round 2 also.


See Joe Jurivicious(?) and joe never had Mike Williams' speed. :D

ghst187
11-11-2004, 07:55 AM
If we are taking a WR with our first I would prefer to take Braylon Edwards over Mike Williams. I believe they are both going to be great Wrs but Mikes size scares me. Being that tall and with that big of a frame at 19 or 20 is my concern, what is the kid like 6-5" 230. I just dont see him maintaining his speed and agility being that size. Maybe Im wrong, but I would rather have Edwards. I like Fred Gison from Georgia in round 2 also.

I exactly disagree on every point. Mike Williams is the most likely WR from this draft to be a Terrell Owens type without the attitude. He's tall and makes gamechanging catches, ESPECIALLY in the red zone where we haven't been able to score since Irvin left. As for speed, Keyshawn still gets open doesn't he? I'm faster than he is. Speed can be neutralized with safety help and coverage schemes but height and athleticism to make the tough catch can only hope to be contained. Williams is 6'5!!! and he has hands comparable to Larry Fitzgerald did in college. I remember seeing MW snag a laser in tight coverage with one hand. He's a phenom athlete. I'm not sure how much a year laying out will hurt him but he's only 20, he has plenty of time to get it back but special players like that only come along every few years.

Fred Gibson may have great height but he's toothpick thin and kinda weak. He's not a bad WR, he normally catches most things but he doesn't have the athleticism or gamechanging ability that MW has. Of course I imagine his height will get him a late first round or second round pick.
Braylon Edwards looks great in college, JUST LIKE EVERY MICHIGAN WR THAT HAS GONE BEFORE HIM WITH THE SAME HEIGHT, WEIGHT, SPEED, AND HANDS BUT FLOPPED IN THE NFL!!! Bray runs some ugly routes sometimes which results in INTS. I love him as a college player but wouldn't waste more than a late second round pick on him and he'll be long gone by then.

Mark Clayton reminds me more of a Hines Ward guy. Not great size, but great hands and a terror running after the catch. Phenomenal quickness but not blazing top end speed. Or I might compare him to Terry Glenn, I can see him making those kinds of plays. I think he's a lot tougher than Glenn though too. He'd be a steal in the second round but I wouldn't use a first on him, esp considering how high our two picks should be. Now if we draft a CB and DL or LB
(I'd love to see a Derrick Johnson and Rolle/Marlin Jackson draft) then I might look to move up in the second to take Clayton because we desperately need youth in our WR corps, not to mention a viable #3 and sometimes #2.

Hostile
11-11-2004, 09:16 AM
I exactly disagree on every point. Mike Williams is the most likely WR from this draft to be a Terrell Owens type without the attitude. He's tall and makes gamechanging catches, ESPECIALLY in the red zone where we haven't been able to score since Irvin left. As for speed, Keyshawn still gets open doesn't he? I'm faster than he is. Speed can be neutralized with safety help and coverage schemes but height and athleticism to make the tough catch can only hope to be contained. Williams is 6'5!!! and he has hands comparable to Larry Fitzgerald did in college. I remember seeing MW snag a laser in tight coverage with one hand. He's a phenom athlete. I'm not sure how much a year laying out will hurt him but he's only 20, he has plenty of time to get it back but special players like that only come along every few years.

Fred Gibson may have great height but he's toothpick thin and kinda weak. He's not a bad WR, he normally catches most things but he doesn't have the athleticism or gamechanging ability that MW has. Of course I imagine his height will get him a late first round or second round pick.
Braylon Edwards looks great in college, JUST LIKE EVERY MICHIGAN WR THAT HAS GONE BEFORE HIM WITH THE SAME HEIGHT, WEIGHT, SPEED, AND HANDS BUT FLOPPED IN THE NFL!!! Bray runs some ugly routes sometimes which results in INTS. I love him as a college player but wouldn't waste more than a late second round pick on him and he'll be long gone by then.

Mark Clayton reminds me more of a Hines Ward guy. Not great size, but great hands and a terror running after the catch. Phenomenal quickness but not blazing top end speed. Or I might compare him to Terry Glenn, I can see him making those kinds of plays. I think he's a lot tougher than Glenn though too. He'd be a steal in the second round but I wouldn't use a first on him, esp considering how high our two picks should be. Now if we draft a CB and DL or LB
(I'd love to see a Derrick Johnson and Rolle/Marlin Jackson draft) then I might look to move up in the second to take Clayton because we desperately need youth in our WR corps, not to mention a viable #3 and sometimes #2.
Excellent post.

Bobo
11-11-2004, 01:53 PM
I think our pass game next season will be good with Key, Terry, Morgan, and Witten. From what I gather, Edwards and Williams are the two that you almost could not pass up on if they were still available. But I think either d-line or CB or S are what we need most. But if DJ is there, how do you pass on him either?

I see the quandary being do we pick for the most needed position, or do we pick the best player available. With 2 1st round picks, I don't think we can screw it up....I hope :)

lkelly
11-11-2004, 02:56 PM
See Joe Jurivicious(?) and joe never had Mike Williams' speed. :D

Joe Jurevicius and Mike Williams have similar speed. They have different strides, but they cover ground at roughly the same rate.