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vta
08-28-2008, 10:45 AM
SOCHI, Russia (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to benefit one of its presidential election candidates.

In an exclusive interview with CNN's Matthew Chance in the Black Sea city of Sochi Thursday, Putin said the U.S. had encouraged Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia.

Putin told CNN his defense officials had told him it was done to benefit a presidential candidate -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are competing to succeed George W. Bush -- although he presented no evidence to back it up.

U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Robert Wood labeled Putin's statement "ludicrous."

"Russia is responsible for the crisis," Wood said at his off-camera meeting with reporters in Washington on Thursday.

"For the Russians to say they are not responsible for what happened in Georgia is ludicrous... Russia is to blame for this crisis and the world is responding to what Russia has done."

When told that many diplomats in the United States and Europe blame Russia for provoking the conflict and for invading Georgia, Putin said Russia had no choice but to invade Georgia after dozens of its peacekeepers in South Ossetia were killed. He told Chance it was to avert a human calamity. iReport.com: First-person accounts from the center of the conflict

The former Russian president, still considered the most powerful man in the country, said he was disappointed the U.S. had not done more to stop Georgia's attack.

Putin recalled he was watching the situation in Georgia and South Ossetia unfold when he was at the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympic Games on August 8.

He said he spoke spoke to U.S. President George W. Bush, also attending, who told the Russian prime minister he didn't want war -- but Putin spoke to CNN of his disappointment that the U.S. administration didn't do more to stop the Georgia early in the conflict.

Also Thursday Putin announced economic measures which he said were unrelated to the fighting with Georgia. Nineteen U.S. poultry meat companies would be banned from exporting their products to Russia because they had failed health and safety tests, and 29 other companies had been warned to improve their standards or face the same ban, Putin said.

Putin said Russia's health and agricultural ministries had randomly tested the poultry products and found them to be full of antibiotics and arsenic.

While Putin repeated that the bans were not related to the Georgian conflict, they indicate the measures some Western countries -- particularly in Europe -- fear if Russia goes on a diplomatic offensive. Watch analysis of Russia's relationship with the West. »

Russia is trying to counterbalance mounting pressure from the West over its military action in Georgia and its recognition of the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

But Russia's hopes of winning international support for its actions in Georgia were dashed Thursday, when China and other Asian nations expressed concern about tension in the region.

The joint declaration from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which includes China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan, said the countries hoped any further conflict could be resolved peacefully.

"The presidents reaffirmed their commitment to the principles of respect for historic and cultural traditions of every country and efforts aimed at preserving the unity of a state and its territorial integrity," the declaration said, The Associated Press reported.

"Placing the emphasis exclusively on the use of force has no prospects and hinders a comprehensive settlement of local conflicts," AP reported the group as saying.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had appealed to the SCO at a summit Thursday in Tajikistan Thursday to support its actions, saying it would serve as a "serious signal for those who are trying to justify the aggression."

On Wednesday a U.S. ship carrying aid docked in Georgia, while Britain's Foreign Secretary David Miliband traveled to the Ukraine, which is worried about Russia's intentions in the region, to offer the UK's support.

Miliband equated Moscow's offensive in Georgia with the Soviet tanks that invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring democratic reforms in 1968, and demanded Russia "change course," AP reported.

BrAinPaiNt
08-28-2008, 10:54 AM
Word is that the US is already working on an attack ad to fight this.

Word is they are making a video of the famous Charlie Daniels band song, The devil went down to georgia, with images of Putin playing the part of the devil and the part of johnny is going to be played by the Georgian President.

Word is the secret code phase to start this operation is...

Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.

vta
08-28-2008, 11:28 AM
Word is that the US is already working on an attack ad to fight this.

Word is they are making a video of the famous Charlie Daniels band song, The devil went down to georgia, with images of Putin playing the part of the devil and the part of johnny is going to be played by the Georgian President.

Word is the secret code phase to start this operation is...

Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.

:lmao:

Vintage
08-28-2008, 11:39 AM
The U.S. didn't start this... but its a better thing for McCain than Obama...

McCain comes off as "experienced" (somehow).... and Obama comes off inexperienced (because he is).... and so any sort of conflict, reinforces that.

yeahyeah
08-28-2008, 12:05 PM
Word is that the US is already working on an attack ad to fight this.

Word is they are making a video of the famous Charlie Daniels band song, The devil went down to georgia, with images of Putin playing the part of the devil and the part of johnny is going to be played by the Georgian President.

Word is the secret code phase to start this operation is...

Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.

:laugh2:

CanadianCowboysFan
08-28-2008, 12:14 PM
The US might do a lot of things in terms of foreign policy with which I and much of the world disagrees but you didn't have anything to do with the start of the war in Georgia unless selling weapons now makes you the bad guy (which it doesn't).

zrinkill
08-28-2008, 12:18 PM
Hey Brain ...... looks like Putin is a truther ....

yeahyeah
08-28-2008, 12:39 PM
Putin is claiming that the US had people directly involved in the conflict. He claims that the Russian forces have found an American passport from a person who lives(ed) in Texas.
He did not produce said passport however which makes his claim suspect.
Lets just all thank our lucky stars that the russkies didnt get the Chinese support they were hoping for. That could have been big troubles...10 years ago..it might have been a different story.
Well i guess globalization is good for something after all.:D

cbfan55
08-28-2008, 01:47 PM
Gp to whatdoesitmean.com to find lots of interesting articles

Phrozen Phil
08-28-2008, 01:52 PM
Word is that the US is already working on an attack ad to fight this.

Word is they are making a video of the famous Charlie Daniels band song, The devil went down to georgia, with images of Putin playing the part of the devil and the part of johnny is going to be played by the Georgian President.

Word is the secret code phase to start this operation is...

Chicken in the bread pin, pickin' out dough.

You're on a music kick today......BTW, Do Si Do

BrAinPaiNt
08-28-2008, 02:13 PM
Hey Brain ...... looks like Putin is a truther ....

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0108/images/debunkers.jpg
GET HIMMMMM!!!!

Vintage
08-28-2008, 03:03 PM
Putin is claiming that the US had people directly involved in the conflict. He claims that the Russian forces have found an American passport from a person who lives(ed) in Texas.
He did not produce said passport however which makes his claim suspect.
Lets just all thank our lucky stars that the russkies didnt get the Chinese support they were hoping for. That could have been big troubles...10 years ago..it might have been a different story.
Well i guess globalization is good for something after all.:D

10 years ago would have yielded the same result.

Its blatantly obvious why China isn't supporting Russia in this. And going back 10 years doesn't change that.

No Chinese support for the Russians...

CanadianCowboysFan
08-28-2008, 03:58 PM
That reminds me of the old joke

Brezhnev is sitting in his office and his foreign minister Gromyko comes to talk to him.

He says comrade chairman, I have good news and bad news, what would you like to hear first.

Leonid says the bad news

Gromyko : China has landed on the moon

Leonid : the good news?

Gromyko: all 1 billion of them went

Dallas
08-28-2008, 04:04 PM
That reminds me of the old joke

Brezhnev is sitting in his office and his foreign minister Gromyko comes to talk to him.

He says comrade chairman, I have good news and bad news, what would you like to hear first.

Leonid says the bad news

Gromyko : China has landed on the moon

Leonid : the good news?

Gromyko: all 1 billion of them went

Ha! This reminds me of a great Canadian joke I know. Here goes....

An American, a Japanese and a Canadian were sitting naked in a sauna when suddenly there was a beeping sound. The American pressed his forearm, and the beep stopped. The others looked at him questioningly. "That was my pager he said. "I have a microchip under the skin of my arm."

A few minutes later a phone rang. The Japanese fellow lifted his palm to his ear. When he finished he explained "That was my mobile phone, I have a microchip in my hand."

The Canadian felt decidedly low-tech, but not to be outdone, he decided he had to do something just as impressive. He stepped out of the sauna and went to the toilet. He returned with a piece of toilet paper hanging from his butt. The others raised their eyebrows and stared at him. The Canadian finally said "Well, will you look at that! I'm getting a fax."

:bow:

Aikbach
08-28-2008, 04:24 PM
The US might do a lot of things in terms of foreign policy with which I and much of the world disagrees but you didn't have anything to do with the start of the war in Georgia unless selling weapons now makes you the bad guy (which it doesn't).We are an expedient goat to many things which hardens us to listen when rebuke is justified; we have very thick skin and a national perseverance that walks the line between admirable and stubborn, we are survivalists in the end.

Phrozen Phil
08-28-2008, 05:34 PM
Ha! This reminds me of a great Canadian joke I know. Here goes....

An American, a Japanese and a Canadian were sitting naked in a sauna when suddenly there was a beeping sound. The American pressed his forearm, and the beep stopped. The others looked at him questioningly. "That was my pager he said. "I have a microchip under the skin of my arm."

A few minutes later a phone rang. The Japanese fellow lifted his palm to his ear. When he finished he explained "That was my mobile phone, I have a microchip in my hand."

The Canadian felt decidedly low-tech, but not to be outdone, he decided he had to do something just as impressive. He stepped out of the sauna and went to the toilet. He returned with a piece of toilet paper hanging from his butt. The others raised their eyebrows and stared at him. The Canadian finally said "Well, will you look at that! I'm getting a fax."

:bow:


Love it !!!:lmao2:

yeahyeah
08-29-2008, 01:52 AM
10 years ago would have yielded the same result.

Its blatantly obvious why China isn't supporting Russia in this. And going back 10 years doesn't change that.

No Chinese support for the Russians...

Yeah its called a $250,000,000,000 annual trade deficit
and $500,000,000,000 in U.S. bonds

War would not be profitable for China....ten years later money talks and Mao walks

Vintage
08-29-2008, 07:24 AM
Yeah its called a $250,000,000,000 annual trade deficit
and $500,000,000,000 in U.S. bonds

War would not be profitable for China....ten years later money talks and Mao walks


Nope.

Its called breakaway separatist provinces.

10 years earlier doesn't change that. China still doesn't support Russia.