Obama's Speech

[zrinkill]

It was quite good.

I admit that I was impressed.

[ScipioCowboy]

Is that the Batman soundtrack in the background?

[zrinkill]

Do not know ..... I turned it off before that grinning corpse Biden came out there.

[xout]

Same old democratic jargon and cliches, just polished up to a brand new shine.

[ScipioCowboy]

Do not know ..... I turned it off before that grinning corpse Biden came out there.

What engaged you about the speech, Zrin?

Confession: I'm going to have to watch the speech later; I didn't see it live because I was watching the Cowboy game. Priorities, y'know.;)

[zrinkill]

What engaged you about the speech, Zrin?

Confession: I'm going to have to watch the speech later; I didn't see it live because I was watching the Cowboy game. Priorities, y'know.;)

He showed more passion in this speech than I have seen in the past from him .... he did not seem to be reading off a teleprompter.

He seemed genuine about his beliefs ....... seemed much more pro America than in the past.

Obviously he is a wonderful speaker when he is not speaking off the cuff.

Basically he just came across as a man who truly wants to help the U.S. people.

He still seems to have no clue how he will accomplish any of it. And he reconfirmed his bleeding heart socialist plans.

But all in all I think he is a good man with very dangerous ideas on how "his America" needs to be.

[bbgun]

Basically he just came across as a man who truly wants to help the U.S. people.

Who are you, and what have you done with Zrin?

[zrinkill]

Who are you, and what have you done with Zrin?

I still think he is a bleeding heart socialist ...... just seemed like a sincere one.

Obviously it was all just him being well coached for this moment.

I am just acknowledging that he took advantage of it and scored.

If McCain underestimates this guy ...... he could easily lose.

[ScipioCowboy]

He showed more passion in this speech than I have seen in the past from him .... he did not seem to be reading off a teleprompter.

He seemed genuine about his beliefs ....... seemed much more pro America than in the past.

Obviously he is a wonderful speaker when he is not speaking off the cuff.

Basically he just came across as a man who truly wants to help the U.S. people.

He still seems to have no clue how he will accomplish any of it. And he reconfirmed his bleeding heart socialist plans.

But all in all I think he is a good man with very dangerous ideas on how "his America" needs to be.

Thank you, Zrin.

You've given me something to consider as I watch it.

[masomenos]

Very well done. I'm sure the McCain camp is glad they can announce the VP tomorrow and steal some thunder and get a bump of their own.

[zrinkill]

I didn't see it live because I was watching the Cowboy game. Priorities, y'know.;)

Yea ..... felt kinda bad .... but I could no longer stomach watching Bartell throw the ball into the dirt 2 yards in front of young receivers trying to make a squad.

[SuspectCorner]

Same old democratic jargon and cliches, just polished up to a brand new shine.

If McCain can add an equal polish to the t*** to which Bush & Co have reduced the Republican Party - McCain will go go down as one of the greatest campaigners the US has ever seen.

But I'm not betting on that happening.

[bbgun]

Some seem to think that it fell kinda flat. What did he say that we haven’t heard from a hundred different Democrats a hundred different times?

[zrinkill]

Some seem to think that it fell kinda flat. What did he say that we haven’t heard from a hundred different Democrats a hundred different times?

Nothing really ...... was all style and flair ..... but that has won them the office before.

Matter fact, that is always what wins them the office.


I will go ahead and say it ...... it was even more charming of a speech than anything Bill ever did.

Which is dangerous.

The Libs in the audience looked like cult followers ...... its kinda scary.

[SuspectCorner]

Some seem to think that it fell kinda flat. What did he say that we haven’t heard from a hundred different Democrats a hundred different times?

It will only be perceived in that way by those that already sport the McCain blinders.

[zrinkill]

It will only be perceived in that way by those that already sport the McCain blinders.

thats an ironic statement.

[ScipioCowboy]

Nothing really ...... was all style and flair ..... but that has won them the office before.

Matter fact, that is always what wins them the office.


I will go ahead and say it ...... it was even more charming of a speech than anything Bill ever did.

Which is dangerous.

The Libs in the audience looked like cult followers ...... its kinda scary.

In my experience, people who attend any political convention (Republican or Democrat) have a cultish appearance.

Honestly, I'm baffled by the all the crying and excessive displays of emotions at these functions. No matter who's delivering the speech, conventions are solely about salesmanship with very little substance. I watch them solely for purposes of their historical and rhetorical significance.

[zrinkill]

In my experience, people who attend any political convention (Republican or Democrat) have a cultish appearance.

Honestly, I'm baffled by the all the crying and excessive displays of emotions at these functions. No matter who's delivering the speech, conventions are solely about salesmanship with very little substance. I watch them solely for purposes of their historical and rhetorical significance.

This was a little creepier than usual ..... after you watch it tell me what you think.

It literally reminded me of how the Manson family looked ..... they were swaying and crying with a crazed smile on their face.

I have worked security in Republican and Democrat rallies before ...... they always seemed to be like sports fans supporting their "team".

That looked different.

[ScipioCowboy]

This was a little creepier than usual ..... after you watch it tell me what you think.

It literally reminded me of how the Manson family looked ..... they were swaying and crying with a crazed smile on their face.

I have worked security in Republican and Democrat rallies before ...... they always seemed to be like sports fans supporting their "team".

That looked different.

With your experience, I'll definitely take your word for it.

[SuspectCorner]

thats an ironic statement.

McCain and his backers refuse to acknowledge the many failures of Bush/Cheney - instead they are anxious to lace themselves to those same idiotic policies.

And you laugh at the Dems? Therein lies the true irony.

[zrinkill]

McCain and his backers refuse to acknowledge the many failures of Bush/Cheney - instead they are anxious to lace themselves to those same idiotic policies.

And you laugh at the Dems? Therein lies the true irony.

Obama and his backers refuse to acknowledge the many successes of Bush/Cheney - instead they are anxious to ignore and refute those same successful policies.

And you say the Repubs are blind. Therein lies the true irony.

[Cajuncowboy]

Dang, I missed it. Was that tonight? You'd think it would have been on the news or something. :lmao2:

Anyway, I would rather watch Bartell throw the ball into the dirt all night before I watched that gaggle of goofs.

Just want to know one thing though. When obama came out, was there and audible "hallelujah" heard from Heaven??

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McCain and his backers refuse to acknowledge the many failures of Bush/Cheney - instead they are anxious to lace themselves to those same idiotic policies.

And you laugh at the Dems? Therein lies the true irony.

To be honest, I have disagreed with Bush more than I have agreed. However, Obama and his radical policies that have no SUBSTANCE behind them, scare me.

No, actually what scares me is that people blindly follow this messiah like celebrity without knowing who the hell he is.

[bbgun]

It will only be perceived in that way by those that already sport the McCain blinders.

Right, because The Messiah is incapable of delivering a so-so speech.

[SuspectCorner]

Obama and his backers refuse to acknowledge the many successes of Bush/Cheney - instead they are anxious to ignore and refute those same successful policies.

And you say the Repubs are blind. Therein lies the true irony.

The successes are minimal when considering their cost. But keep mumbling to yourselves all the way onto the precipice of irrelevance.

[Heisenberg]

I thought it was pretty good. Having heard a bunch of his speeches, it was a decent mix of his usual stump speech, but dressed up and some of the soaring rhetoric that he's known for towards the end.

I thought he gave a few nice jabs towards McCain and it'll be in the news for a few hours until McCain announces his running mate. So, I dunno how effective it'll all be in the end.

[zrinkill]

The successes are minimal when considering their cost. But keep mumbling to yourselves all the way onto the precipice of irrelevance.

:lmao2: Tell me when I get there ...... would not want to step on you.

[ThreeSportStar80]

This was a beautiful masterpiece laid out by presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, he was tough and actually put out 29 plans of change.

Obama in 08! :thumbup:

[SuspectCorner]

:lmao2: Tell me when I get there ...... would not want to step on you.

I'll be the guy wearing the Romo 9 jersey sitting 2 feet from the edge and giving you the finger... please step over me on your way to the canyon bottom.

[Danny White]

I just caught a few of the "highlights" on replay.

Sure he gives a good speech, but the guy is a walking disaster. If he has a Democrat controlled Congress on his side, there's no telling the damage he could do.

People think we have economic problems now... just wait until this guy gets in office.

Makes me shudder.

It sucks that the Republican alternative is so pathetic.

[Doomsday]

This was a beautiful masterpiece laid out by presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, he was tough and actually put out 29 plans of change.

Obama in 08! :thumbup:


Great if you are into talking without saying much. Looks like he studied Clinton's methodologies for winning an election. Talk about change but NEVER once go into any details about how you plan to go about making those changes.

[SuspectCorner]

Great if you are into talking without saying much. Looks like he studied Clinton's methodologies for winning an election. Talk about change but NEVER once go into any details about how you plan to go about making those changes.

Beats the **** outta John McClain explaining how we should continue to swallow the same ole broken system.

[Danny White]

Beats the **** outta John McClain explaining how we should continue to swallow the same ole broken system.

I dunno. Things aren't that bad. The economy is improving.

Listening to what Obama's proposing, it could get a lot worse. The last thing our economy needs are a ton of burdensome government mandates.

[ConcordCowboy]

Absolutely Fantastic Speech!

I had high expectations going in and he exceeded them.

:bow:


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo/_new/g-080828-cvr-obama-722p.hlarge.jpg

[JBond]

He showed more passion in this speech than I have seen in the past from him .... he did not seem to be reading off a teleprompter.

He seemed genuine about his beliefs ....... seemed much more pro America than in the past.

Obviously he is a wonderful speaker when he is not speaking off the cuff.

Basically he just came across as a man who truly wants to help the U.S. people.

He still seems to have no clue how he will accomplish any of it. And he reconfirmed his bleeding heart socialist plans.

But all in all I think he is a good man with very dangerous ideas on how "his America" needs to be.

So... No real details. Even with the many "teleprompters". He is lost. Where are the details he promised? Another lie?

[SuspectCorner]

So... No real details. Even with the many "teleprompters". He is lost. Where are the details he promised? Another lie?

Normally I'd light into you about now - only I'm hung up on the spelling of your candidates name... John McCain - sorry Senator McCain... I'll get it right even if I hafta toss out my collection of "Die Hard" DVDs.

[JBond]

Normally I'd light into you about now - only I'm hung up on the spelling of your candidates name... John McCain - sorry Senator McCain... I'll get it right even if I hafta toss out my collection of "Die Hard" DVDs.

McCain was not my first, second, third, forth, fifth, or sixth choice. Neither was "W" or his dad.
:bang2:

Barry O. is not on my list. He has done nothing in his life, except to show his true feelings by who he hangs with. Loser! I'll take all bets that the "The Obama" blows it.

The USA is not fooled. We have already seen what horible President's do.
(aka Carter and Clinton)

Take a look to the left and remember.

[SuspectCorner]

McCain was not my first, second, third, forth, fifth, or sixth choice. Neither was "W" or his dad.
:bang2:

Barry O. is not on my list. He has done nothing in his life, except to show his true feelings by who he hangs with. Loser! I'll take all bets that the "The Obama" blows it.

The USA is not fooled. We have already seen what horible President's do.
(aka Carter and Clinton)

Take a look to the left and remember.

Both these guys are saints and statesmen compared to Dubya. Bush43 is the worst Commander-In-Chief this country has ever seen.

[JBond]

Both these guys are saints and statesmen compared to Dubya. Bush43 is the worst Commander-In-Chief this country has ever seen.

How many attacks is against our county is enough? Clinton is a pus** It is a police matter? Are you kidding me? What a boob.

[masomenos]

So... No real details. Even with the many "teleprompters". He is lost. Where are the details he promised? Another lie?

He did give details both on what changes would be made and how those changes would be made. I outlined it all for you with quotes from the speech.

And why did you quote the word teleprompters?

[zrinkill]

I'll be the guy wearing the Romo 9 jersey sitting 2 feet from the edge and giving you the finger... please step over me on your way to the canyon bottom.

I find it funny how much anger comes from Obama zombies when someone else does not fall for the lies.

But you keep crying at his feet all the way to that welfare society he is promising.

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

He did give details both on what changes would be made and how those changes would be made. I outlined it all for you with quotes from the speech.


Thats right ..... he said he will go through government spending "line for line"

And he will tax the crap out of the super rich and corporations.

And that will pay for everything.

"Cleaning up" government and redistribution of wealth .....

[BrAinPaiNt]

I always get a kick out of people on one side of the aisle using mockery of a certain nature when talking about Obama.

[WoodysGirl]

I always get a kick out of people on one side of the aisle using mockery of a certain nature when talking about Obama.
Eh there's mockery on both sides... Just wait til the Republican Pep Rally National Convention kicks off...

[ConcordCowboy]

Eh there's mockery on both sides... Just wait til the Republican Pep Rally National Convention kicks off...

Yes, but only the Republicans do it with a Certain Nature.

;)

[sacase]

The successes are minimal when considering their cost. But keep mumbling to yourselves all the way onto the precipice of irrelevance.

You must be talking about the democratic lead congress

[zrinkill]

I always get a kick out of people on one side of the aisle using mockery of a certain nature when talking about Obama.

What way is that?

[Doomsday101]

For me last night came down to watching Obama or the Cowboys pre-season game. This was no contest, Cowboys win again. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

What way is that?

Messiah and so on...basically mocking a certain topic that I need to keep from talking about.:D

[zrinkill]

Messiah and so on...basically mocking a certain topic that I need to keep from talking about.:D

Ok .... so you were not referring to my posts .... gotcha

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ok .... so you were not referring to my posts .... gotcha

No not talking about yours...and I am not saying what I was saying as if I was upset about it. I really do find it funny as in haha funny not strange or odd funny.

I have not got a chance to see the speech, going to watch it online here in a bit.

Darn cable went out last night right at the end of the first quarter of the game. Was going to flip over and watch a little of the speech but the cable went out so I did not get to see anymore of the game or the get to see the speech. :(

[Phrozen Phil]

This was a beautiful masterpiece laid out by presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, he was tough and actually put out 29 plans of change.

Obama in 08! :thumbup:


It was a very impressive speech. He outlined who he was, where he comes from and where he intends to go. He invoked an image of sincerity and compassion tempered with some hard hitting points directed at the Republicans. In terms of a campaign speech, it was solid.

[bbgun]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08292008/photos/news007.jpg

[ScipioCowboy]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08292008/photos/news007.jpg

Why is Ken Hamlin wearing a wig?:D

[zrinkill]

Lets not show pictures of the kids.

Someone may take extremely cheap shots.

[masomenos]

Thats right ..... he said he will go through government spending "line for line"

And he will tax the crap out of the super rich and corporations.

And that will pay for everything.

"Cleaning up" government and redistribution of wealth .....

What's wrong with eliminating and/or fixing government programs that don't work? I can understand the qualms with personal taxes but why should corporations be able to take advantage of the current tax code?

[zrinkill]

What's wrong with eliminating and/or fixing government programs that don't work? I can understand the qualms with personal taxes but why should corporations be able to take advantage of the current tax code?


Nothing wrong with it ...... as a matter of fact every President that has ever run has said he was gonna do it.

Has not happened yet.

But you know who does have experience with actually doing it?

Sarah Palin in Alaska

;)

[masomenos]

Nothing wrong with it ...... as a matter of fact every President that has ever run has said he was gonna do it.

Has not happened yet.

But you know who does have experience with actually doing it?

Sarah Palin in Alaska

;)

Palin is a really good choice, I was shocked when I saw it earlier today. The McCain/Palin ticket is very attractive and I could see a number of scenarios where it would get my vote. This has been an interesting election cycle, that's for sure. This entirely erases any bump Obama was going to get from his speech on Thursday night.

[ConcordCowboy]

Lets not show pictures of the kids.

Someone may take extremely cheap shots.

His older daughter is pretty...she looks like she could be a model when she grows up.

[zrinkill]

His older daughter is pretty...she looks like she could be a model when she grows up.

Both girls are pretty .....

But I think Mrs Obama is also a pretty lady ..... and that has not stopped some from taking cracks.

But if someone takes a crack at Obama's girls or Sarah Palins kids ....... WG will probably have to ban me.

[ScipioCowboy]

Both girls are pretty .....

But I think Mrs Obama is also a pretty lady ..... and that has not stopped some from taking cracks.

I didn't mean to imply that she wasn't pretty. A few days ago, another poster remarked on a slight resemblance between Ken Hamlin and Michelle Obama. I found the remark amusing because I, too, noticed the likeness.

A few years ago, I worked alongside a woman who I thought was attractive--an opinion that I shared with a male coworker one day. He replied that the woman in question looked like Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns. When I looked at her again, I had to admit that the likeness was there. She was still pretty, though.
:laugh2:

Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended. It wasn't my intention.

[zrinkill]

I didn't mean to imply that she wasn't pretty. A few days ago, another poster remarked on a slight resemblance between Ken Hamlin and Michelle Obama. I found the remark amusing because I, too, noticed the likeness.

A few years ago, I worked alongside a woman who I thought was attractive--an opinion that I shared with a male coworker one day. He replied that the woman in question looked like Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns. When I looked at her again, I had to admit that the likeness was there. She was still pretty, though.
:laugh2:

Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended. It wasn't my intention.

Did not offend me man ..... she is a grown woman.

I will only get offended if people start taking shots at the kids ..... either Obama's or Palin's.

[MetalHead]

Obama last night talked about same politicians practicing the same politics and expecting a different result.
Then Barack,can you explain the dump sheep americans why did you select a politician practicing same politics for over 30m years as a running mate???

Is Barack Hussein Obama arrogant enough to dismiss the fact that the american people in on to his BS?

[zrinkill]

Obama last night talked about same politicians practicing the same politics and expecting a different result.
Then Barack,can you explain the dump sheep americans why did you select a politician practicing same politics for over 30m years as a running mate???

Is Barack Hussein Obama arrogant enough to dismiss the fact that the american people in on to his BS?

The same followers have already tried to spread rumors about McCain's new VP.

Yet they try to talk about "change" from the same old gutter politics .....

[Ben_n_austin]

The same followers have already tried to spread rumors about McCain's new VP.

Yet they try to talk about "change" from the same old gutter politics .....

...and I bet you sit there thinking and wishing it was the 1950 "glory days" of the past... well, wishing at least. I haven't seen much thinking on your end.

[zrinkill]

...and I bet you sit there thinking and wishing it was the 1950 "glory days" of the past... well, wishing at least. I haven't seen much thinking on your end.


You still trying to get threads closed?

Others will handle obvious trolls.

[Ben_n_austin]

You still trying to get threads closed?

Others will handle obvious trolls.

:laugh2: I don't even have to try. You get your own goat. What are you having for dinner tonight, kid? Cabrito?
:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

:laugh2: I don't even have to try. You get your own goat. What are you having for dinner tonight, kid? Cabrito?
:laugh2:


Keep it up

[BrAinPaiNt]

You two take a time out....or just get it on and over with to clear out the sexual tension building up. :D

On a serious note...we get it, you guys rub each other the wrong way...

well heck that sounds like a joke too....

hmm we get it you two tweak each other...

darn it that sounds bad too...

Hmmm...stop trying to manhandle each other...

Man Alive that sounds bad too...

Dag Nabit...just knock it out...@#$@@# I MEAN OFF!

:laugh1:

Seriously...chill out a tad.

[zrinkill]

I already let others handle it.

I am not gonna fall for that game today .... to good a mood.

[peplaw06]

I can't believe nobody's talking about that full mouth to mouth kiss Obama gave Jill Biden. awwwk-ward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7VGMBu3qc&NR=1

[Ben_n_austin]

Brain, you're my man and I see you as the most qualified mod because of your fence sitting posture. :D

That said, wasn't the kid/goat metaphor funny at all? :confused:

In any case, I got your 10-4 good buddy, I'll keep a tight lid on my true thoughts about Zrintroll, no matter how much merit they have.

[ConcordCowboy]

I can't believe nobody's talking about that full mouth to mouth kiss Obama gave Jill Biden. awwwk-ward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7VGMBu3qc&NR=1

Because it's nothing to talk about.

:rolleyes:

[zrinkill]

I can't believe nobody's talking about that full mouth to mouth kiss Obama gave Jill Biden. awwwk-ward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdl-wXB9do

Obama is a handsome guy and seems to be a great person.

I am sure even the most staunch Repub on this forum would walk away from a meeting with him thinking .... "you know ..... he is a pretty cool guy"

Its his policies that I am against.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I can't believe nobody's talking about that full mouth to mouth kiss Obama gave Jill Biden. awwwk-ward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7VGMBu3qc&NR=1

This is probably what sold McCain on Palin...he figured if Obama could get some sugar...maybe he could with palin.

~just one kiss plays in the background of McCains mind~

;)

[peplaw06]

This is probably what sold McCain on Palin...he figured if Obama could get some sugar...maybe he could with palin.

~just one kiss plays in the background of McCains mind~

;)I agree. :D

[peplaw06]

Because it's nothing to talk about.

:rolleyes:

It's called a joke. Someone needs to lighten the mood in the old PZ. I've been doing that off and on all day. Gotta have balance. I like all you guys, I don't take this stuff personally... unfortunately some do.

[ConcordCowboy]

It's called a joke. Someone needs to lighten the mood in the old PZ. I've been doing that off and on all day. Gotta have balance. I like all you guys, I don't take this stuff personally... unfortunately some do.

Sorry...as you noted..to lighten the mood is good once in a while.

[Ben_n_austin]

It's called a joke. Someone needs to lighten the mood in the old PZ. I've been doing that off and on all day. Gotta have balance. I like all you guys, I don't take this stuff personally... unfortunately some do.

Yes, some of the less fortunate posters do take it rather personally. But the rest of us know it's just politics as usual and it's sometimes a dirty game--not to be taken personally.

[MetalHead]

Yes, some of the less fortunate posters do take it rather personally. But the rest of us know it's just politics as usual and it's sometimes a dirty game--not to be taken personally.

I bet you only do that online.

[AtlCB]

He showed more passion in this speech than I have seen in the past from him .... he did not seem to be reading off a teleprompter.

He seemed genuine about his beliefs ....... seemed much more pro America than in the past.

Obviously he is a wonderful speaker when he is not speaking off the cuff.

Basically he just came across as a man who truly wants to help the U.S. people.

He still seems to have no clue how he will accomplish any of it. And he reconfirmed his bleeding heart socialist plans.

But all in all I think he is a good man with very dangerous ideas on how "his America" needs to be.
I liked the speech and his platform. I am extremely confused that, if he feels this way, why did he parade around the who's who of democrat, old guard socialists? Why did he chose an old, angry socialist to be his running mate if he wants tax cuts and wants respectful dialogue with his opponents. He preaches change and chooses a running mate who embodies what is wrong with politics today.