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MilesAustinforMVP
09-02-2008, 01:52 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html

And they say Obama is unpatriotic...

Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Say Palin Was a Member in 90s; McCain Camp Denies Charge*

September 01, 2008 6:52 PM
The campaign of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., likes to herald the independence of its new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party (http://www.akip.org/) say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm9IUfPZsX8&e) -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
After refraining from commenting on the charge for a day, the McCain campaign on Tuesday asserted that Palin was never a member of the AIP.
But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.
"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."
She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.
"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.
She doesn't know what Palin's position was.
"It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose." Clark says that Palin left the party and became a Republican in 1996, when she first ran for mayor of Wasilla.
Earlier this year, Palin sent a video message to the AIP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI) for its annual convention, where AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ) that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."
A day after ABC News requested a response from Palin as to whether she was ever a member of the AIP, McCain campain spox Brian Rogers told ABC News that Clark's "allegations are false."
"Governor Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982," Rogers says, providing some voter registration documentation showing her to be a Republican. "As you know, if she changed her registration, there would have been some record of it. There isn’t."
Rogers says the McCain campaign provided ABC News with all the voter registration information that exists. Rogers says that Palin didn’t attend the AIP convention in 1994, "but she visited them when they had their convention in Wasilla in 2000 as a courtesy since she was mayor."
He would not comment as to why AIP officials are so convinced Palin was a member of their party. When asked if Palin ever identified herself as a member of the AIP, Rogers said, "No, she's a lifelong Republican."
The AIP platform (http://www.akip.org/platform.html) states that the purpose of the party is to "seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution ... To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature ... To support the privatization of government services ...”
Walter Hickel, a former Republican governor, was elected to the governorship in 1990 as an AIP member -- the third-largest party in Alaska -- with a plurality vote of 38.8%. A Seattle Post-Intelligencer story (http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19901031&slug=1101489) that year said that "Hickel is running with the Alaska Independence Party, a fringe group advocating that the 49th state declare itself a sovereign nation. But he's not a separatist; he's an opportunist: the Independence Party was the only 11th-hour ticket to the general election."
Hickel returned to the Republican Party in 1994; he endorsed Palin in her gubernatorial run in 2006. Subsequent AIP gubernatorial candidates did not fare as well as did Hickel, garnering less than 2 percent of the vote.
Lynette Clark says that Palin is "a fine individual. She's forthright and she puts Alaska first."
She is not a fan of McCain.
"I can't understand why in God's name she has aligned herself with a candidate who opposes the development of our republic and Alaska's resource wealth," Clark says.
- jpt
* This post has been updated one day later, after the McCain campaign responded.

zrinkill
09-02-2008, 01:56 PM
Change or the same old gutter tactics .....

Dallas
09-02-2008, 01:58 PM
Change or the same old gutter tactics .....


Its Ben - he has 1000's of IP's. You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him. :laugh2:

MilesAustinforMVP
09-02-2008, 02:04 PM
Change or the same old gutter tactics .....
Is that why McCain used the hurricane as a political prop by going down to Mississippi a day before the hurricane hit for his photo op? Or is that why McCain compares Obama to Paris Hilton in his ad?

Keeping in mind this isn't the Obama campaign leveling these charges. It was ABC News and liberal bloggers. Yet you ascribe it to Obama to further your political position. Good for you.

zrinkill
09-02-2008, 02:07 PM
Yet you ascribe it to Obama to further your political position. Good for you.

Did not mention Obama at all ..... he has more class than posters like you.

To bad his "followers" do not subscribe to the changes he is trying to make.

MilesAustinforMVP
09-02-2008, 02:08 PM
Did not mention Obama at all ..... he has more class than posters like you.

To bad his "followers" do not subscribe to the changes he is trying to make.
Its a means to a better end.

iceberg
09-02-2008, 02:10 PM
Is that why McCain used the hurricane as a political prop by going down to Mississippi a day before the hurricane hit for his photo op? Or is that why McCain compares Obama to Paris Hilton in his ad?

Keeping in mind this isn't the Obama campaign leveling these charges. It was ABC News and liberal bloggers. Yet you ascribe it to Obama to further your political position. Good for you.

you sure do look cute in your cheerleader outfit and pompoms... : )

RAH RAH!!!

MY SIDE RULES YOUR SIDE SUCKS!!!

RAH RAH!!!!

carry on oh leader of the high school mentality.

iceberg
09-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Its Ben - he has 1000's of IP's. You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him. :laugh2:

if he does have that many IPs then it's likely a bank of them. block the whole bank and be done with it.

zrinkill
09-02-2008, 02:14 PM
Its a means to a better end.

Right ...... the proponents of torture told me the same line ..... I did not buy it then either.

MilesAustinforMVP
09-02-2008, 02:14 PM
if he does have that many IPs then it's likely a bank of them. block the whole bank and be done with it.

I have no clue who you are talking about.

iceberg
09-02-2008, 02:15 PM
I have no clue.

there. all better now.

RAH!

Danny White
09-02-2008, 02:16 PM
How come the more the libs try to trash Palin, the more I end up liking her?

State's rights advocate? Fine with me.

I don't care if she left the Republican party at some point to endorse a right-wing third party... heck, I've considered doing that myself.

Show me a quote where she advocated the secession of Alaska and maybe I'll change my mind.

bbgun
09-02-2008, 02:18 PM
Its Ben - he has 1000's of IP's. You can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him. :laugh2:

Can't be. The word "neo-con" wasn't used as a pejorative.

MilesAustinforMVP
09-02-2008, 02:20 PM
State's rights advocate? Fine with me.


That's one way of putting it... :lmao2:




Show me a quote where she advocated the secession of Alaska and maybe I'll change my mind.

The party's platform and main purpose was to secede from the Union. There is no excuse for being a member of such a party.

BrAinPaiNt
09-02-2008, 02:21 PM
You guys do realize that just because someone does not express your views or you find someone to be a troll...it does not automatically mean it is Ben or someone else you think it is....you guys do realize that right?!?!

Meh...maybe you don't.

iceberg
09-02-2008, 02:24 PM
You guys do realize that just because someone does not express your views or you find someone to be a troll...it does not automatically mean it is Ben or someone else you think it is....you guys do realize that right?!?!

Meh...maybe you don't.

of course we all realize that.

i also realize in my entire life, or at least the last 10 years of it going by "iceberg" only gtorres has ever called me slushy.

till the other day.

maybe no connection but awful strange just the same.

we also realize ben went off bragging about being able to be "unstoppable" to a forum so it's possible he can swap IPs and get around things.

venting isn't the same as believing.

BrAinPaiNt
09-02-2008, 02:25 PM
That's one way of putting it... :lmao2:



The party's platform and main purpose was to secede from the Union. There is no excuse for being a member of such a party.

From the article...

But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.
"We are a state's rights party," says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."
She says it's not accurate to describe the party as secessionist -- they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.
"My own separate opinion as an individual is that we should be an independent nation," Clark says. Others in the AIP "believe that being a commonwealth would be a good avenue to follow." Some advocate statehood -- but a fuller statehood than exists now.
She doesn't know what Palin's position was.
"It never came up in conversation," Clark recalls. "But when she joined the party, our platform was right under her nose." Clark says that Palin left the party and became a Republican in 1996, when she first ran for mayor of Wasilla.

It seems the lady interviewed said different members had different degrees of what they wanted but all were states rights goals. She also goes on to say she does not know what Palins position was.

Not sure that means Palin wanted secession from the USA or that she just wanted stronger states rights.

Danny White
09-02-2008, 02:28 PM
That's one way of putting it... :lmao2:



The party's platform and main purpose was to secede from the Union. There is no excuse for being a member of such a party.

You're blatantly mis-representing the AIP and their goals.

Either it's out of ignorance or you're flat-out lying.

You tell me which one.

iceberg
09-02-2008, 02:29 PM
You're blatantly mis-representing the AIP and their goals.

Either it's out of ignorance or you're flat-out lying.

You tell me which one.

i don't think he knows the difference. while i don't advocate censorship, i do wish we had a political kiddie pool where people can be moved into there and the adults can keep talking.

Danny White
09-02-2008, 02:30 PM
It seems the lady interviewed said different members had different degrees of what they wanted but all were states rights goals. She also goes on to say she does not know what Palins position was.

Not sure that means Palin wanted secession from the USA or that she just wanted stronger states rights.

This is directly from their website:

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.



Seems pretty clear to me that they aren't calling for secession.

Dallas
09-02-2008, 02:32 PM
You guys do realize that just because someone does not express your views or you find someone to be a troll...it does not automatically mean it is Ben or someone else you think it is....you guys do realize that right?!?!

Meh...maybe you don't.


Considering his history and the sites repeated attempts to continue a relationship w/ the poster. I don't think its to much of a stretch to think that it could be Ben.

They post similar.

I know the software ran here. Probably better than most. I also know how difficult it is to completely ban someone.

Proxy is a heck of a drug.

Dallas
09-02-2008, 02:33 PM
This is directly from their website:

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.



Seems pretty clear to me that they aren't calling for secession.

Oh please. Allow Paint to spin it his way. Who cares if its fuzzy.

Heck - he's fuzzy. Just look at the guy. :cool:

Danny White
09-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Oh please. Allow Paint to spin it his way. Who cares if its fuzzy.

Heck - he's fuzzy. Just look at the guy. :cool:

I think BP was agreeing with us on this one.

BrAinPaiNt
09-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Oh please. Allow Paint to spin it his way. Who cares if its fuzzy.

Heck - he's fuzzy. Just look at the guy. :cool:

Wrong person... I know you love me and WVU...but get the right person to bash next time.:laugh2:

NinePointOh
09-02-2008, 02:36 PM
This is directly from their website:

The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.



Seems pretty clear to me that they aren't calling for secession.

IF voters actually care about her AIP affiliation, which is by no means a given, then all of that is just going to be splitting hairs to them. The party is, at the very least, advocating a re-vote on the decision to become a state. The average Joe doesn't care about the legal intricacies differentiating a state from a commonwealth or a territory.

Dallas
09-02-2008, 02:37 PM
Wrong person... I know you love me and WVU...but get the right person to bash next time.:laugh2:

I see Michigan lost and WVU won.


Karma baby.

dbair1967
09-02-2008, 02:37 PM
How come the more the libs try to trash Palin, the more I end up liking her?

State's rights advocate? Fine with me.

I don't care if she left the Republican party at some point to endorse a right-wing third party... heck, I've considered doing that myself.

Show me a quote where she advocated the secession of Alaska and maybe I'll change my mind.

they cant, and it probably doesnt exist.

However they've done nothing to address Obama's radical ties, other than to sy things are taken out of context or it was a long time ago.

David

Dallas
09-02-2008, 02:41 PM
they cant, and it probably doesnt exist.

However they've done nothing to address Obama's radical ties, other than to sy things are taken out of context or it was a long time ago.

David


That line where we are taking it all out of context is getting very very old and boring. Is everyhing that Obama says taken out of context when it conflicts with him possibly winning the presidency?

Greattttt tactic.

Oh that is what I said but that isn't how you should take it.

You took that literally? Haha! You took it out of context. :confused:

Danny White
09-02-2008, 02:43 PM
IF voters actually care about her AIP affiliation, which is by no means a given, then all of that is just going to be splitting hairs to them. The party is, at the very least, advocating a re-vote on the decision to become a state. The average Joe doesn't care about the legal intricacies differentiating a state from a commonwealth or a territory.

So just because an issue may be confusing, that gives posters like MilesAustin4MVP the right to outright lie?

I realize the issue may be arcane... I'm just trying to get the truth out so it's a little less confusing for people who don't pay close attention.

You may be right, this could be a good "hit-point" for Obama and the liberal media to use to bludgeon Palin, but don't hold it against me for posting the facts.

BrAinPaiNt
09-02-2008, 02:52 PM
I see Michigan lost and WVU won.


Karma baby.

It will take michigan some time to move over to his style of offense. Esp the offensive line.

It is like asking our big guys on the O-Line to become finesse guys like Denver's o-line in one offseason...and the same for other positions.

But yeah...I loved the Karma.:laugh2:

vta
09-02-2008, 03:13 PM
You guys do realize that just because someone does not express your views or you find someone to be a troll...it does not automatically mean it is Ben or someone else you think it is....you guys do realize that right?!?!

Meh...maybe you don't.

Admit it! You're Ben!
I knew it.