Is it slanderous to say McCain is 4 more years of Bush?

[REDVOLUTION]

or is it inaccurate based on McCain's voting record. He has opposed Bush hasnt he?

[iceberg]

or is it inaccurate based on McCain's voting record. He has opposed Bush hasnt he?

accuracy never matters when attacking your political opponant. only feeding the hate.

[BrAinPaiNt]

or is it inaccurate based on McCain's voting record. He has opposed Bush hasnt he?

He used to oppose bush quite a bit. That changed the last year and he has voted around 90% of the time with bush and changed his views (aka flip flopped) on issues to be more in line with bush.

Either way it is not slanderous, it is an opinion.

[iceberg]

He used to oppose bush quite a bit. That changed the last year and he has voted around 90% of the time with bush and changed his views (aka flip flopped) on issues to be more in line with bush.

Either way it is not slanderous, it is an opinion.

i think it's an opinion his opponants take to another level. they FEAR people into hating mccain so they never take the time to find out for themselves.

the basic purpose of FUD.

[BrAinPaiNt]

i think it's an opinion his opponants take to another level. they FEAR people into hating mccain so they never take the time to find out for themselves.

the basic purpose of FUD.

Maybe the idea of telling the people how he votes like bush and has changed his stances on issues to that of bush...is letting the people know and find out?

You will see that McCain does not like to be compared to bush, yet there is a legit comparison from what he used to be to what he has become concerning his stances on issues.

[iceberg]

Maybe the idea of telling the people how he votes like bush and has changed his stances on issues to that of bush...is letting the people know and find out?

You will see that McCain does not like to be compared to bush, yet there is a legit comparison from what he used to be to what he has become concerning his stances on issues.

maybe. but things like that are rarely done for "honorable" reasons. both side propoganda away and i just tune it out. like i said, when i see pompoms come out on either side i just turn away from the deaf. they're not there to learn but cheer.

[Hostile]

I guess it depends on who reads it. The opinions will vary. Bush is so hated that it's hard to say anyone is like him, but some people do.

[ConcordCowboy]

God I can't believe I'm going quote Man boobs, but you are what you are.

When you vote with the guy 90% of the time, you're more of Bush.

Slanderous?

Hardly.

[Dallas]

He used to oppose bush quite a bit. That changed the last year and he has voted around 90% of the time with bush and changed his views (aka flip flopped) on issues to be more in line with bush.

Either way it is not slanderous, it is an opinion.

Paints boy-toy Obama never flip-flops. For true. He told me so.

[Dallas]

God I can't believe I'm going quote Man boobs, but you are what you are.

When you vote with the guy 90% of the time, you're more of Bush.

Slanderous?

Hardly.


So you took the 90% thing Paint said seriously. You went and verified McCain has voted 90% Bush since Bush took office.

YOU ARE SURE about that?

[ConcordCowboy]

So you took the 90% thing Paint said seriously. You went and verified McCain has voted 90% Bush since Bush took office.

YOU ARE SURE about that?

Good Lord, the 90% voting record has been known for a long time...it's NO secret.

It didn't just come up in this thread. :rolleyes:

[ConcordCowboy]

But to be fare...it wasn't 90% SINCE he took office.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

Q: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
The Obama campaign keeps claiming McCain has voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Is this true? Is this significant?

A: Yes, it's true, according to Congressional Quarterly's assessment of McCain's voting record.
Sen. Barack Obama has attempted to use the Arizona senator's voting record against him in statements like this:

Barack Obama (June 3): It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush 95 percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year.

The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

Democrats are, of course, attempting to make the case that a vote for McCain is a vote to continue the policies of Bush, whose approval ratings are, to put it charitably, not a political asset for McCain.


Is 95% "Significant"?


As for whether voting with Bush 95 percent of the time last year is "significant," that's a matter of opinion that we leave to readers to determine for themselves.

When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year, according to the way Congressional Quarterly rates the votes.

The McCain campaign points out that Obama told a local TV interviewer recently that "the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush." Obama was actually wrong about that. In 2006 he voted alongside the president 49 percent of the time, and in 2005, the year before Democrats took control of the Senate, Obama voted with the president only 33 percent of the time.

Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.


And so . . .


So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career.

- Emi Kolawole





Sources
CQ member Profiles: Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz). 1 Apr. 2007. Congressional Quarterly, 9 June 2008.

CQ member Profiles: Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill). February 2008. Congressional Quarterly, 12 June 2008.

CQ member Profiles: Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev). February 2008. Congressional Quarterly, 12 June 2008.

[zrinkill]

So basically since the Surge he has voted like Bush since he agrees with the Surge (and it was proven to be right)

[ConcordCowboy]

So basically since the Surge he has voted like Bush since he agrees with the Surge (and it was proven to be right)

Was every vote about the surge?

[MilesAustinforMVP]

or is it inaccurate based on McCain's voting record. He has opposed Bush hasnt he?

90% of his votes over the past four years has been in line with bush. I think it's pretty accurate.

[Hostile]

So 90% dead is really dead and no more efforts to revive should be taken?

:D :p:

[MilesAustinforMVP]

So basically since the Surge he has voted like Bush since he agrees with the Surge (and it was proven to be right)

Actually it was the Anbar Awakening that brought the violence down. But you go on believe the propaganda the GOP spoon feeds the general public.

[zrinkill]

Was every vote about the surge?

I am sure most had something to do with the War.

Can someone post them?

[zrinkill]

Actually it was the Anbar Awakening that brought the violence down. But you go on believe the propaganda the GOP spoon feeds the general public.

As long as you keep believing your left wing military hating propaganda the liberals spit out.

I get my info from fellow Soldiers and Marines ..... you go Google up what Olberman tells you to think.

[Aikbach]

The fallacy of the argument is rooted in the pre-suppostion that the president is wrong 90% of the time, a sign of blind partisan bias.

Ironically the things that should irk conservatives most about Bush are his less than conservative fiscal policies and expansion of entitlement expenditures; something that is part of Obama's very platform.

Basically you are all mad about the war, one that had mishaps and learning curves but in the end is being won and in the end vanquished a tyrant and in the end will bring an imposing capitalistic market/democratic government to pressure Islamic facists in the region.

You can call President Bush many things, often he is worthy of rebuke, but short sighted he has not been.

His presidency will likely be viewed through a different lens once the dust and shrill voices of leftism have been tempered by time and for their sake, hopefully some wisdom with age.

[masomenos]

I am sure most had something to do with the War.

Can someone post them?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/bills/

[MilesAustinforMVP]

As long as you keep believing your left wing military hating propaganda the liberals spit out.

I get my info from fellow Soldiers and Marines ..... you go Google up what Olberman tells you to think.

A Time article from '06:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1572796,00.html

Oh that's mature, say I hate the military. The military obviously helped. But it was really when the Sunni Tribes started turning against Al Qaeda that violence started to go down.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Paints boy-toy Obama never flip-flops. For true. He told me so.

Obama has flip flopped...and I said he would and think sooner or later he will also get a bonus from big oil like McCain did...which I have also said.

Man alive, do you people ever read this forum or just open your yap and go full force. :lmao2:

[Dallas]

Obama has flip flopped...and I said he would and think sooner or later he will also get a bonus from big oil like McCain did...which I have also said.

Man alive, do you people ever read this forum or just open your yap and go full force. :lmao2:

What does that mean? You people? What kind of people am I Paint?

That some new label?

The fact remains that you strive to paint (ha) yourself to look like some middle of the ground guy but your post history doesnt support it. Especially over the past few months. Even more so now since both tickets have been finalized.

I just wish you would once stop being a pretender.

Emoticon me to death. That doesn't change the fact that you say one thing but your content says something entirely different.

[zrinkill]

A Time article from '06:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1572796,00.html

Wow ..... that really proved that it was not the Surge that is working.

[masomenos]

As long as you keep believing your left wing military hating propaganda the liberals spit out.

I get my info from fellow Soldiers and Marines ..... you go Google up what Olberman tells you to think.

You're in the military Zrin?

[Doomsday101]

or is it inaccurate based on McCain's voting record. He has opposed Bush hasnt he?

As a Republican he has voted with his party on many issues and he has stood against his party on issues as well. Bush was against funding of embryonic stem cell research and McCain supported it. Is it 90% of the time he agrees with the republicans 95? I don't know I do know Mr. Change Obama has voted hand in hand with his party more than that and has not reached across party lines to push important legislation through and McCain has. Dems talked highly of McCain as a man willing to work between the parties until he won the nomination now he is Bush #3 or at least that is the garbage they are trying to sell.

[zrinkill]

You're in the military Zrin?

Not anymore ..... old habits you know.

[masomenos]

Not anymore ..... old habits you know.

Ah I see, well I still tip my hat to you sir for the time you did serve.

[zrinkill]

Ah I see, well I still tip my hat to you sir for the time you did serve.

Thank you ..... you were 5 when I went to Kuwait as an 18 year old snot nose kid.

Damn makes me feel old.

[masomenos]

Thank you ..... you were 5 when I went to Kuwait as an 18 year old snot nose kid.

Damn makes me feel old.

Heh. Not to make you feel more old, but it's kind of funny how something that you'll never forget is only a brief memory to me. What branch were you in?

[Jarv]

Obama has flip flopped...and I said he would and think sooner or later he will also get a bonus from big oil like McCain did...which I have also said.

Man alive, do you people ever read this forum or just open your yap and go full force. :lmao2:

Lol...considering you have 33,000 some odd post and I'm still in the 4,000 range I guess I'd would be the 1st to admit I don't live here as much as you and don't know every post that was submitted.

Sometimes people (like me) come here when they finally have free time and make opinions on what they read today, and don't someone's total history of what they have been posting the last 6 months.

We all don't live here 24x7 bro.

[Jarv]

The fallacy of the argument is rooted in the pre-suppostion that the president is wrong 90% of the time, a sign of blind partisan bias.

Ironically the things that should irk conservatives most about Bush are his less than conservative fiscal policies and expansion of entitlement expenditures; something that is part of Obama's very platform.

Basically you are all mad about the war, one that had mishaps and learning curves but in the end is being won and in the end vanquished a tyrant and in the end will bring an imposing capitalistic market/democratic government to pressure Islamic facists in the region.

You can call President Bush many things, often he is worthy of rebuke, but short sighted he has not been.

His presidency will likely be viewed through a different lens once the dust and shrill voices of leftism have been tempered by time and for their sake, hopefully some wisdom with age.

Your on a roll today, nice post.

For Obama to just come out and say McCain voted 90% of the time (This year I guess) with Bush I guess is assuming that everyone is against what Bush is pulling for this year.

I've got a novel idea, how about seeing what McCain voted for the last year and see if you agree with it. I guess I'm the one of the few who doesn't hate Bush here and is against everything he says...Who knows, maybe some of the things he wants is good for you, but your blind hatred...well blinds you :)