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VietCowboy
09-04-2008, 01:31 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3915534

Found this gem on an Alaskan blog. Irony, much?

"For those of you who seem so enamored with Gov. Sarah Palin, it might be worth noting that she oversees the budget for the Department of Education and Early Development Special Schools in Alaska.
These funds provide supplementary educational services to students with severe disabling conditions and the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. The resident school where the child would normally be placed does not have the resources to provide an adequate educational program. Without the supplementary services the child’s needs would not be met by the local school district in most cases.

The following programs are included within this component:
Special Education Service Agency (SESA)

The Annual budget for 2007, which preceded Gov. Palin was $8,265,300.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp27... (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf)

The Annual budget for 2008, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp27... (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf)

The Annual budget for 2009, enacted by Gov. Palin is $3,156,000.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp27... (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf)

This is a cut in special needs services to children in Alaska of 5,109,300 , or 62%."

MilesAustinforMVP
09-04-2008, 01:32 PM
Karma is a [female dog]

Dallas
09-04-2008, 01:33 PM
This proves she hates special needs children. I knew it- I knew it!

What should we do about her bro?


Little tar? Little feathers? Ooo maybe a noose?

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 01:45 PM
Mice find at the dailykos.

:lmao2:

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 01:47 PM
Democrat Underground got this from an Alaskan Blog.


:lmao2:

Wow.

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 01:48 PM
For those that want to know the truth...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp

Newest Palin Smear: She Cut Special Needs Budget

I just watched CNN's Soledad O'Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn't familiar with the charge -- which isn't surprising, since it's only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O'Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)

This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska's Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration -- that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.

What's gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state's education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students. From the publication Education Week:

Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.

The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city, over the next five years.

Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, and other costs associated with providing education in communities scattered across the vast state.

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development (emphasis added).

So the Netroots and CNN allege that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent, by crediting her with the budget proposed by a political opponent. And the truth is that rather than a 62 percent cut, she's actually increasing special needs funding by 175 percent.

It's no wonder a majority of Americans think the media is trying to hurt Palin.

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 01:52 PM
This has already proven to be more leftist bullcrap

The reason that that budget page dropped 62% was that a program called “Alaska Challenge Youth Academy” that was included in 2007 was moved to a separate budget item in 2008 (where it’s funding increased).

Nice try Viet.

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 01:53 PM
This has already proven to be more leftist bullcrap

The reason that that budget page dropped 62% was that a program called “Alaska Challenge Youth Academy” that was included in 2007 was moved to a separate budget item in 2008 (where it’s funding increased).

Nice try Viet.

Have to disagree with you Zrin...

It was an awful try. :D

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 01:56 PM
I hope this thread stays at the top of the page.

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 01:56 PM
I hope this thread stays at the top of the page.

Be nice if it were stickied. What's the odds??? :D

VietCowboy
09-04-2008, 02:00 PM
http://parentalcation.blogspot.com/2008/09/washington-monthly-fact-checked.html


The Washington Monthly Fact Checked (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php)

Washington Monthly makes false accusations against Governor Palin.

The Washington Monthly: Fact Checking Palin (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php)


Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."

Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf) (pre-Palin), 2008 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf), 2009 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf) (all pdfs).

Now 45 seconds of googling led me to his comment over at the Washington Post blog, "The Trail (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html)"

A commenter (Jim Syar) accused Sarah Palin of reducing the special education budget by 62%. That is false. The special education budget actually increased by nearly 12%, as explained below.
As Syar correctly notes, the Alaska 2007 budget for special education was $8,265,300. But that included $5,352,000 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.
In the 2009 budgetary document to which Syar links, astute observers will note that there is no mention of the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Instead, you have to look elsewhere. And guess what: There is now a specific document providing $6,082,100 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2837.pdf So combined with the $3,156,000 that Syar notes, the total is $9,238,100. A nearly 12% INCREASE, not a 62% decrease.
Posted by: SB September 3, 2008 3:38 PM

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 02:02 PM
http://parentalcation.blogspot.com/2008/09/washington-monthly-fact-checked.html


The Washington Monthly Fact Checked (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php)

Washington Monthly makes false accusations against Governor Palin.

The Washington Monthly: Fact Checking Palin (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014545.php)


Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."

Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf) (pre-Palin), 2008 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf), 2009 (http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdf) (all pdfs).

Now 45 seconds of googling led me to his comment over at the Washington Post blog, "The Trail (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html)"

A commenter (Jim Syar) accused Sarah Palin of reducing the special education budget by 62%. That is false. The special education budget actually increased by nearly 12%, as explained below.
As Syar correctly notes, the Alaska 2007 budget for special education was $8,265,300. But that included $5,352,000 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.
In the 2009 budgetary document to which Syar links, astute observers will note that there is no mention of the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy. Instead, you have to look elsewhere. And guess what: There is now a specific document providing $6,082,100 for the Alaska Challenge Youth Academy.http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2837.pdf So combined with the $3,156,000 that Syar notes, the total is $9,238,100. A nearly 12% INCREASE, not a 62% decrease.
Posted by: SB September 3, 2008 3:38 PM

HAHA. Your 45 seconds of googling still isn't right. My God, this is truly amazing.

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 02:03 PM
The title of this thread should be changed to say

Washington Monthly makes false accusations against Governor Palin.

CanadianCowboysFan
09-04-2008, 02:27 PM
question for those more intuned to division of powers down in the US

I assume education is a state issue and Palin is a states' rights girl, so how then can she claim that she will be an advocate for those with special needs, she likely meant education/service wise, as a federal Vice President? wouldn't that be treading on a state right?

Dallas
09-04-2008, 02:33 PM
question for those more intuned to division of powers down in the US

I assume education is a state issue and Palin is a states' rights girl, so how then can she claim that she will be an advocate for those with special needs, she likely meant education/service wise, as a federal Vice President? wouldn't that be treading on a state right?


There are many federal progams for special needs children. Not only state programs. She isn't talking about specifically the teaching of these special needs children. I think she was saying expanding what is in place and other ideas she may have.

I don't think I have ever seen a candidate take up the the cause for special needs children and people in the US. Since Sarah has a baby w/ Downs-S, I can see where she is coming from.

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 02:34 PM
question for those more intuned to division of powers down in the US

I assume education is a state issue and Palin is a states' rights girl, so how then can she claim that she will be an advocate for those with special needs, she likely meant education/service wise, as a federal Vice President? wouldn't that be treading on a state right?

You cannot be an advocate for special needs if you do not force laws down states throats?

I think you are just reaching for something to be negative about ..... but it helped keep this thread up top so I forgive you.

ScipioCowboy
09-04-2008, 02:34 PM
For those that want to know the truth...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp

Newest Palin Smear: She Cut Special Needs Budget

I just watched CNN's Soledad O'Brien sandbag former White House Communications Director Nicole Wallace by asking her how Sarah Palin can claim to be a defender of special needs children when she cut the budget for that Alaska office by 62 percent. Wallace wasn't familiar with the charge -- which isn't surprising, since it's only being made on DailyKos and another liberal site. (Tip for Ms. O'Brien: DailyKos is not a reliable news site.)

This charge is based on looking at the budget for Alaska's Special Education Service Agency for 2007-2009. In fact, the December 2006 budget document that they cite would have been prepared by the outgoing administration -- that of Republican Frank Murkowski, whom Palin defeated.

What's gone unmentioned is that the Palin signed into law a dramatic reform of the state's education financing system that equalizes aid to rural and urban districts, while significantly increasing funding for special needs students. From the publication Education Week:

Gov. Sarah Palin and state lawmakers have gone ahead with an overhaul of Alaska’s school funding system that supporters predict will provide much-needed financial help to rural schools and those serving students with disabilities.

The plan, enacted in the recently concluded session of the legislature, is based on recommendations issued by a legislative task force last year. It will phase in a greater flow of money to districts outside of Anchorage, Alaska’s largest city, over the next five years.

Advocates for rural and remote schools have lobbied for years for more funding, in particular noting the higher fuel, transportation, and other costs associated with providing education in communities scattered across the vast state.

A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development (emphasis added).

So the Netroots and CNN allege that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent, by crediting her with the budget proposed by a political opponent. And the truth is that rather than a 62 percent cut, she's actually increasing special needs funding by 175 percent.

It's no wonder a majority of Americans think the media is trying to hurt Palin.

Sheer and utter ownage, Cajun.:D

theogt
09-04-2008, 02:38 PM
Dumb thread.

CanadianCowboysFan
09-04-2008, 02:39 PM
You cannot be an advocate for special needs if you do not force laws down states throats?

I think you are just reaching for something to be negative about ..... but it helped keep this thread up top so I forgive you.

gee where would I have been without your forgiveness.

what is there for her to advocate about? it's a state matter she should butt out of a state issue :cool:

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 02:42 PM
gee where would I have been without your forgiveness.

what is there for her to advocate about? it's a state matter she should butt out of a state issue :cool:


I honestly do not think you understand what that word means . .... or you are just going for a "Gotcha Moment" toward her.

It will not work ..... as this silly thread proves.

CanadianCowboysFan
09-04-2008, 02:48 PM
I honestly do not think you understand what that word means . .... or you are just going for a "Gotcha Moment" toward her.

It will not work ..... as this silly thread proves.

gee, you mean someone is trying to score a point on a webboard? will wonders never cease

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 02:51 PM
gee, you mean someone is trying to score a point on a webboard? will wonders never cease

At least you admit it

CanadianCowboysFan
09-04-2008, 02:54 PM
At least you admit it

face you do the same, why else do you search out previous posts to try and show inconsistency other than to score a point?

btw, do you think she should have worn dark hosiery last night and maybe a top that showed a bit more neck?

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 03:15 PM
face you do the same, why else do you search out previous posts to try and show inconsistency other than to score a point?

btw, do you think she should have worn dark hosiery last night and maybe a top that showed a bit more neck?

When someone makes bullcrap statements I call them out on it ..... with evidence.

Seems like you being a lawyer you would understand that.

As far as the fashion statement ..... I think Mrs. Palin is a beautiful and classy lady ...... and her current style is fine with me.

CanadianCowboysFan
09-04-2008, 04:38 PM
Why you use evidence is not the point, you know you do it to score a point n'est ce pas? Otherwise, why do you care if someone flip flops?

Hostile
09-04-2008, 04:42 PM
Put each other on IGNORE.

I'm being dead seriosu on how I'm going to start cracking down.

Rack Bauer
09-04-2008, 04:44 PM
Why does a canadian care about american politics anyway?


I couldn't care less about canada. I wouldn't piss on canada if it were on fire.

Hostile
09-04-2008, 05:03 PM
Why does a canadian care about american politics anyway?


I couldn't care less about canada. I wouldn't piss on canada if it were on fire.He's heard that before. Put him on Ignore please.

REDVOLUTION
09-04-2008, 05:13 PM
This has already proven to be more leftist bullcrap

The reason that that budget page dropped 62% was that a program called “Alaska Challenge Youth Academy” that was included in 2007 was moved to a separate budget item in 2008 (where it’s funding increased).

Nice try Viet.


Oh my goodness :lmao2:


Is that what they tried to spin?

What is the world coming to? or should I say what is this world about? :mad:

Cajuncowboy
09-04-2008, 07:41 PM
gee where would I have been without your forgiveness.

what is there for her to advocate about? it's a state matter she should butt out of a state issue :cool:

How is Special needs children a states rights issue? An advocate is someone who will speak up for someone. Have their best interests at heart. In other words, making the public more aware of their circumstance.

And she should butt out???

You people are something else.