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Maikeru-sama
09-04-2008, 04:21 PM
FACES IN THE CROWD
In a More Diverse America, A Mostly White Convention

By Eli Saslow and Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 4, 2008; Page A01

ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 3 -- Organizers conceived of this convention as a means to inspire, but some African American Republicans have found the Xcel Energy Center depressing this week. Everywhere they look, they see evidence of what they consider one of their party's biggest shortcomings.

As the country rapidly diversifies, Republicans are presenting a convention that is almost entirely white.

Only 36 of the 2,380 delegates seated on the convention floor are black, the lowest number since the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies began tracking diversity at political conventions 40 years ago. Each night, the overwhelmingly white audience watches a series of white politicians step to the lectern -- a visual reminder that no black Republican has served as a governor, U.S. senator or U.S. House member in the past six years.

"It's hard to look around and not get frustrated," said Michael S. Steele, a black Republican and former lieutenant governor of Maryland. "You almost have to think, 'Wait. How did it come to this?' "

Republicans spent much of the past decade working to improve their minority outreach, particularly to blacks and Hispanics. But a number of setbacks, including an anti-Republican national mood, anger over the response to Hurricane Katrina and the Democratic nomination of Sen. Barack Obama, have largely negated their efforts, several Republicans said.

One week after Democrats nominated the nation's first black presidential candidate on the eve of the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, Republicans have only one African American -- Steele -- scheduled to speak during prime time at their convention. The united, diverse coalition that Republicans once envisioned instead looks uniform.

The good news, Republicans said, is that they think Sen. John McCain can still win this election with the kind of demographics on display in St. Paul. In an interview with Washington Post reporters and editors Tuesday morning, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis outlined a strategy in which his candidate targets women and white working-class voters and essentially cedes the black vote.

Obama's "strategy is, 'If I can just deliver the votes that I know exist, whether it's in the minority community or the youth,' or whatever the coalition is that he's got . . . 'then I can win this election,' " Davis said. "We can run our campaign the way we want to run it and not be in direct conflict with a lot of voter groups he is trying to get."

The look in the convention hall is similar to that of a typical McCain event. This summer, for instance, 67 people showed up for one of his town hall meetings in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. One of them was black.

The lack of diversity is out of sync with the demographic changes in the United States. The Census Bureau reported last month that racial and ethnic minorities will make up a majority of the country's population by 2042 -- almost a decade earlier than what the bureau predicted just four years ago. Two-thirds of Americans are non-Hispanic whites, 12.4 percent are black and 14.8 percent are Hispanic, according to 2006 census numbers.

What has helped Republicans is that working-class whites, a bloc they rely on, are more likely to vote than other groups. "But if there is a loss this time, and it is attributed to a smaller and smaller base of white voters, there might be a rethinking" of GOP strategy, said Robert E. Lang, co-director of Virginia Tech's Metropolitan Institute, which studies demographics and other development patterns.

"If we don't get better at reaching out, we're in big trouble," agreed Michael Williams, a black Republican who chairs the Texas Railroad Commission and who spoke Wednesday night. "It doesn't take much to see that this is not what America looks like. . . . We're trying, but we're not there yet."

Only a few years ago, Republicans talked publicly about the party's aspirations to diversify -- to win a quarter of the black vote by 2008, party leaders said, and half by 2020. Not since Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt proposed his New Deal programs in the 1930s had Republicans won more than about 15 percent of the black vote, but they had reason to hope earlier this decade. President Bush won 11 percent of blacks' votes in 2004, after capturing 8 percent in 2000.

The party has also made a concerted effort to court Hispanics, but its electoral gains have been diminished by the hard-line stance many Republicans have taken on immigration. In 2004, Bush won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote; a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed McCain with the support of 31 percent of Latinos.

"We have to make a better case to the Hispanic voter that the Republican Party has something to offer other than a deportation slip," Davis said.

The Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, a black think tank, does not track Hispanic delegates, and convention organizers said they will not provide numbers until at least after the convention. According to a CBS-New York Times poll released Sunday, 5 percent of delegates are Hispanic, the lowest percentage at a Republican convention since 1996.

It was at their convention in Philadelphia in 2000 that Republicans started to make more direct appeals to black voters. On the convention's opening night, Gen. Colin L. Powell urged the party to reach out to blacks and other minorities in a "sustained effort." There was also a live video of a black preacher from a Philadelphia church, followed by a gospel choir performance on stage.

At the party's 2004 convention, Bush highlighted programs to increase loans to African American businesses and facilitate minority home ownership.


Ken Mehlman, then chairman of the Republican National Committee, traveled on a "conversations with the community" tour in 2005 and spoke with predominantly black audiences.

In 2006, the Republican Party supported three promising African Americans in their campaigns for office: Steele for Senate, Lynn Swann for Pennsylvania governor and Ken Blackwell for governor of Ohio. All three lost in a year that was bad for Republicans across the country.

A win in any of those elections could have transformed the party's relationship with black voters, Republicans said. Ever since Oklahoman J.C. Watts decided not to run for reelection to the House in 2002, black Republicans have lacked a role model in conservatism. A black Republican elected to high office, North Carolina delegate Tim Johnson said, would "make brothers understand that this isn't the whites-only party."

"That's when the momentum really shifted, losing those elections," said Alex-St. James, chairman of the African American Republican Leadership Council. "After that, it's like the Democrats were trying harder."

Said Steele: "Right now, the party is in a rhythm of looking at attracting African Americans on a cyclical basis, before each election. We have to get into the rhythm of attracting African Americans on a daily basis. That strategy has to be inculcated into the operation of the RNC. Right now, it's not part of our lifeblood."

Steele saw the problem firsthand from the stage Wednesday night. The Joint Center reported that the number of black Republican delegates declined from a record 167 in 2004 to this year's 36. According to the think tank, 24 state delegations at the Xcel Energy Center have no black members.


The homogeneity of the audience is sometimes reinforced by delegations' tendency to dress alike. Floridians sported Hawaiian shirts decorated with palm trees Monday night, and more than 150 Texas delegates and alternates wore red shirts and straw cowboy hats Tuesday.

The minority void in St. Paul is amplified for Republicans who watched Obama deliver his acceptance speech in Denver last week. Blacks made up 25 percent of the delegates at Invesco Field, and black musicians Stevie Wonder and John Legend performed before Obama stepped to the lectern. Vendors inside the stadium sold T-shirts with slogans in Spanish. Martin Luther King's son delivered a brief introductory speech.

"You see what Obama has done, and it's a reminder of what's possible," said Tony Leatherman, a black Republican delegate from Texas.

Leatherman paused and scanned the Xcel Energy Center. "It's obvious we could do better," he said.

A recent Post-ABC poll projects Obama with an 88 percent to 7 percent lead over McCain among African American voters, but black Republicans said that's no excuse for their party to give up. McCain spoke this year to the NAACP and the Urban League, but lately his campaign has focused almost exclusively on white voters.

Over the weekend, McCain traveled with his newly announced running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, to a rally in Washington County, Pa., whose population is 95 percent white.

"There's no doubt that Senator Obama's popularity is going to stymie our efforts to some extent with minorities, and I understand that," said Williams, the railroad commission chairman. "I know about resources and time and money, and you have to make choices. The heavy resources for us are not going to African American voters. But that's different than making no effort all."

McCain's campaign said Tuesday that its strategy to poach what Davis called "Hillary Clinton voters" might be enough to turn the election, since Obama's most loyal supporters -- young voters and minorities -- often turn out in low numbers on Election Day. But later that night, Steele came to a

"I am not going through another election cycle where we fail to energize and engage minority communities," he said. "Have you ever heard that saying -- about how the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result? Well, what we've done with minorities has become a form of political insanity."

link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303962.html?referrer=digg)

Hostile
09-04-2008, 04:37 PM
"I am not going through another election cycle where we fail to energize and engage minority communities," he said. "Have you ever heard that saying -- about how the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result? Well, what we've done with minorities has become a form of political insanity."

link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303962.html?referrer=digg)What does he mean by this? Honest question.

theebs
09-04-2008, 04:39 PM
Shocking.

Next someone will break the story that the entire crowd at fenway is white.

DFWJC
09-04-2008, 04:41 PM
The poster of this thread seems like a good dude, but his favorite issues seem to always be race related....very tiring.

VietCowboy
09-04-2008, 04:45 PM
What does he mean by this? Honest question.


they keep using the same tactics to attract minority voters...and it isn't working, so why aren't they trying something new is my guess.

bbgun
09-04-2008, 04:46 PM
Racial bean counting: it's what they do.

Behold the official Democratic Party leadership page. Viva diversity!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9109/demwhite1wo6.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7643/demwhitebz5.jpg

DFWJC
09-04-2008, 05:11 PM
Racial bean counting: it's what they do.

Behold the official Democratic Party leadership page. Viva diversity!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9109/demwhite1wo6.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7643/demwhitebz5.jpg

The irony is that the last 8 years have had more diversity in the upper offices of govenment than in anytime in history.

Phrozen Phil
09-04-2008, 05:48 PM
The irony is that the last 8 years have had more diversity in the upper offices of govenment than in anytime in history.

Perhaps you could elaborate. Who beyond Rice constitutes a diverse presence? Serious question.

Hostile
09-04-2008, 05:50 PM
Perhaps you could elaborate. Who beyond Rice constitutes a diverse presence? Serious question.Former Secretary of State Colin Powell would pop into my head immediately. Anyone of any race been higher in politics than the two of them?

I honestly don't know.

ThaBigP
09-04-2008, 05:55 PM
Perhaps you could elaborate. Who beyond Rice constitutes a diverse presence? Serious question.

Clarence Thomas (though he falls outside of the last 8 years)
Alito

Two names that pop to the top of my head aside from Rice and Powel, who've already been mentioned.

zrinkill
09-04-2008, 05:58 PM
Colin Powell
Condoleezza Rice
Alberto Gonzales

All top-level officials

ConcordCowboy
09-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Racial bean counting: it's what they do.

Behold the official Democratic Party leadership page. Viva diversity!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9109/demwhite1wo6.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7643/demwhitebz5.jpg

Not that I give a crap about this subject but I thought that I would just point out...

Who's at THE Top of the Ticket.

http://www.ricklatona.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/who-is-barack-obama.jpg

Phrozen Phil
09-04-2008, 06:13 PM
As an outside observer, it would appear that the challenge for Republicans would be to provide a platform that would appeal to voters in a more challenged socio-economic class, which unfortunately make up a large porportion of Black and Hispanic voters. I would argue that Republicans talk about "fixing Washington" but instead work hard to maintain the status quo, particularly the economic status quo.

AbeBeta
09-04-2008, 06:20 PM
Senate:

Daniel Akaka - nation's first native Hawaiian Senator (D)
Barak Obama - nation's only present African American senator (D) - Obama is one of three AA senators in history, 2 were democrats
Bob Menendez - D-NJ, hispanic
Ken Salazar - D-CO, hispanic
Mel Martinez - R-FL, hispanic

In the house there are about 40 African American reps. I believe all are democrats (there have been only three AA republican Reps during the post-reconstruction era). There are 24 Hispanic Reps, 20 are democrats.

Maikeru-sama
09-04-2008, 06:29 PM
As an outside observer, it would appear that the challenge for Republicans would be to provide a platform that would appeal to voters in a more challenged socio-economic class, which unfortunately make up a large porportion of Black and Hispanic voters. I would argue that Republicans talk about "fixing Washington" but instead work hard to maintain the status quo, particularly the economic status quo.

Democrats do the exact same thing, the only difference is that they will come around and do photo-ops with blacks during election time.

Oh, as far as me posting this article. I saw this article on the Washington Post and I found some of the statistical breakdowns interesting and decided to post it. I would also like to see proof of an established history of threads I started where race was the only factor.

Maybe I should just stick to the Far left and right websites :rolleyes:

Hostile
09-04-2008, 06:46 PM
Senate:

Daniel Akaka - nation's first native Hawaiian Senator (D)
Barak Obama - nation's only present African American senator (D) - Obama is one of three AA senators in history, 2 were democrats
Bob Menendez - D-NJ, hispanic
Ken Salazar - D-CO, hispanic
Mel Martinez - R-FL, hispanic

In the house there are about 40 African American reps. I believe all are democrats (there have been only three AA republican Reps during the post-reconstruction era). There are 24 Hispanic Reps, 20 are democrats.I don't think anyone said the GOP had more, he maintained higher positions on Cabinets.

AbeBeta
09-04-2008, 07:08 PM
I don't think anyone said the GOP had more, he maintained higher positions on Cabinets.

Sure, but had Ron Brown not died he would likely have moved up to a much higher post in the 2nd administration so that impacts the situation considerably.

Hostile
09-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Sure, but had Ron Brown not died he would likely have moved up to a much higher post in the 2nd administration so that impacts the situation considerably.If my aunt had nads she'd be my Uncle.

Both parties are growing and reaching out. I think it's great. Why point a finger at either side when a tip of the hat is more apropos?

ABQCOWBOY
09-04-2008, 07:12 PM
Sure, but had Ron Brown not died he would likely have moved up to a much higher post in the 2nd administration so that impacts the situation considerably.

Had Richardson not been an idiot, he too would probably have been in the Cabinate

ABQCOWBOY
09-04-2008, 07:14 PM
If my aunt had nads she'd be my Uncle.

Both parties are growing and reaching out. I think it's great. Why point a finger at either side when a tip of the hat is more apropos?


Now this is a good post.

I think party lines are way too blurred where this is concerned. Strides are being made on both sides. Only a fool would believe that either party is conciously trying to restrict opportunity to minorities where this is concerned. That is counter productive for both parties.

AbeBeta
09-04-2008, 07:20 PM
If my aunt had nads she'd be my Uncle.

Both parties are growing and reaching out. I think it's great. Why point a finger at either side when a tip of the hat is more apropos?

When did I point a finger? I provided some data that speaks to differences between the parties in Congress.

I was responding to a post that noted "upper offices of government" - I consider the house and senate to be upper levels - importantly so as they are voted on by the people.

AbeBeta
09-04-2008, 07:20 PM
Had Richardson not been an idiot, he too would probably have been in the Cabinate

Bill Richardson? He was in the Clinton's cabinet as Secretary of Energy

Aikbach
09-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Colin Powell
Condoleezza Rice
Alberto Gonzales

All top-level officialsRod Paige and Alfonso Jackson were/are also Bush cabinet members.

There are more minorities in the Bush administration than any other in histoory.

ABQCOWBOY
09-04-2008, 07:25 PM
Bill Richardson? He was in the Clinton's cabinet as Secretary of Energy


He would have been in Bush's as well, had he not made such a mess of security with DOE. He kinda fell on the knife repeatedly and just bleed out. Same reason, IMO, he'll never get a serious consideration as a running mate for anybody.

Bach
09-04-2008, 07:26 PM
Why are Democrats so concerned about skin color and hate white people?

Aikbach
09-04-2008, 07:26 PM
http://www. /government/cabinet.html

Here is the present cabinet, there have been many other women and minorities that have been and out in the last 8 years.

ABQCOWBOY
09-04-2008, 07:29 PM
When did I point a finger? I provided some data that speaks to differences between the parties in Congress.

I was responding to a post that noted "upper offices of government" - I consider the house and senate to be upper levels - importantly so as they are voted on by the people.


I don't think Hos is saying that you, specifically, are pointing a finger. I think he's saying that both parties are finger pointing over this issue. It's counter productive and just another one of those globally stupid things that prevent real progress between the two. So much could be accomplished if the endless ankle bitting could be shelved.

AbeBeta
09-04-2008, 07:30 PM
Rod Paige and Alfonso Jackson were/are also Bush cabinet members.

There are more minorities in the Bush administration than any other in histoory.

You sure on that? I don't know the answer and aren't saying you are wrong.

But I do know that there were many minority members of the Clinton cabinet -- at lower levels certainly than on Bush's but there was Espy, Brown, Mineta, Herman, Cisneros, Pena (in 2 posts), Slater, O'Leary, Richardson, Jesse Brown, and West -- Clinton also had a smaller cabinet than Bush (about 10 fewer members in total). About a third of the Clinton cabinet were minorities.

MetalHead
09-04-2008, 07:35 PM
BS...i'm brown and right winged.
I just could not make to Minneapolis.

Enough of this racial crap.

MetalHead
09-04-2008, 07:36 PM
Colin Powell
Condoleezza Rice
Alberto Gonzales

All top-level officials

I wonder who put them there.

vta
09-04-2008, 07:40 PM
The racial demographics of the U.S. have been hanging pretty steady for quite some time, with the average being 74-80% white and 13-15% black or African American.

Are we really seeing a more 'diverse' America and how is slanted otherwise?

Hostile
09-04-2008, 07:47 PM
I don't think Hos is saying that you, specifically, are pointing a finger. I think he's saying that both parties are finger pointing over this issue. It's counter productive and just another one of those globally stupid things that prevent real progress between the two. So much could be accomplished if the endless ankle bitting could be shelved.I didn't think I was being cryptic. I think the rush to what am I guilty of was hasty.

Aikbach
09-04-2008, 07:56 PM
You sure on that? I don't know the answer and aren't saying you are wrong.

But I do know that there were many minority members of the Clinton cabinet -- at lower levels certainly than on Bush's but there was Espy, Brown, Mineta, Herman, Cisneros, Pena (in 2 posts), Slater, O'Leary, Richardson, Jesse Brown, and West -- Clinton also had a smaller cabinet than Bush (about 10 fewer members in total). About a third of the Clinton cabinet were minorities.I feel certain I am right, but do not claim to be the gospel truth authority, if you find otherwise i'll retract the comment.

trickblue
09-04-2008, 08:27 PM
Sure, but had Ron Brown not died he would likely have moved up to a much higher post in the 2nd administration so that impacts the situation considerably.

Wasn't he already under investigation for corruption?

It seems I remember that...

ABQCOWBOY
09-04-2008, 09:17 PM
I didn't think I was being cryptic. I think the rush to what am I guilty of was hasty.

Sometimes I think that part of the problem is a lot of posters take things so personal. So quick to think it's directed at them and a lot of times, it probably is. A lot is lost as far as understanding content on posts. Heck, I'm probably guilty of that all too often myself.

There are some pretty intelligent posters that participate in this form, as I'm sure you know. If we could ever just get around to talking about things, alot of the ranker would evaporate but thats a tall order.

burmafrd
09-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Colin Powel and Condi both had more power and influence by far then any Democratic Cabinet member of color ever. A lot of the Clinton appointments were political payofs (brown one of the biggest). But how much power did any of them really have?

jrumann59
09-05-2008, 12:53 AM
Hmm lets see here Democrats usually pander to low income urban environemnts, and since the Democratic candidate is also Black, the majority of the african americans in the USA are in Obama's pocket especially considering he has oprah playing the pied piper. Most of the thinkgs i here on the street in baltimore and DC is of course I am going to vote for him, Im black and he is black. I know that is not ALL but really how disenheartening is it when you ask them if he was white and had the same policies would they vote for him, many say, "No, I probably wouldn't vote at all." Also the dems also do a good job of using the black caucus to minimze any black conservatives.

SuspectCorner
09-05-2008, 01:11 AM
Not that I give a crap about this subject but I thought that I would just point out...

Who's at THE Top of the Ticket.

http://www.ricklatona.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/who-is-barack-obama.jpg

Oooo - don't go there.

:lmao2:

Notice the diversity apparent at the DNC and (NOT at the) RNC - there really is no comparison at this date and time. The tickets just emphasize the disparity between the two major parties.

yeahyeah
09-05-2008, 01:29 AM
As an outside observer, it would appear that the challenge for Republicans would be to provide a platform that would appeal to voters in a more challenged socio-economic class, which unfortunately make up a large porportion of Black and Hispanic voters. I would argue that Republicans talk about "fixing Washington" but instead work hard to maintain the status quo, particularly the economic status quo.


yyyyyyyeap...what he said

burmafrd
09-05-2008, 04:00 AM
Yeah one panders to all the interest groups of victimization while the other for corporate businesses and the like.

Suspect you are so predictable.

SuspectCorner
09-05-2008, 04:13 AM
Yeah one panders to all the interest groups of victimization while the other for corporate businesses and the like.

Suspect you are so predictable.

As are you my friend - as are you. So let's toast to each other's health each time John McCain regales us with his tales of being a Vietnam POW - and likewise each time Obama mentions being a community organizer in southside Chicago. And we'll chug one each time the word "change" is used by either candidate.

We should both be barely alive by the time this election is settled.

burmafrd
09-05-2008, 09:40 AM
We would be dead of alchohol poisoning within one hour.