"You can put lipstick on a pig..."

[JBond]

" You can put lipstick on a pig, put it is still a pig."

Your democrat party nominee Barack Obama talking about Sarah Palin in a speech today.

I just listened to the audio on the radio.

Now we can add juvenile to the list of character flaws for the mighty Obama.

Coke head, liar, racist church, Rezko, Ayers, muslim faith in interview, million man march, 57 states, and now hates women.

The gloves are off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/obama_trash_talk_alert_9908.html

[bbgun]

I guess this means monkey analogies are in play. Thanks for lowering the bar, Barak.

[adamc91115]

I want to hold off until I actually hear the whole quote and the context...

But, if its true... Wow, jut wow.

[WoodysGirl]

That's left Obama, the change candidate of the primaries, spending much of his time explaining to voters why McCain and Palin don't deserve the label.

"How do they have the nerve to say it?" Obama asked a suburban Detroit audience Monday. "When you've been supporting this current president, your party has been in power, and you're not offering anything new, how is it that you're serious about change? You're not. It's empty words. You're just saying it because you realize, 'Obama has been talking about change. That seems to be working. Maybe we should try to say it too.'"

He appears invigorated by the turn of events, his voice full of spunk. While Obama can tend toward the professorial in his speaking, his recent appearances have had the feel of a revival or a political comedy show as he mocks the GOP ticket.

"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said to an outburst of laughter and applause from his audience in Lebanon, Va., Tuesday. "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, but it's still going to stink after eight years."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_el_pr/obama_on_defense;_ylt=Akn6xjQJ76RJ8OlpN6If.bNh24cA


McCain has used the lipstick phrase, too.
Last year while criticizing health proposals from the Democratic presidential candidates, he said Hillary Rodham Clinton's resembled the failed plan she offered as first lady during the 1990s. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," McCain of her proposal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_el_pr/obama_lipstick_5;_ylt=Au_UpCPEz.LUfRmIScrPdiFh24cA

[adamc91115]

I'm willing to bet there is an apology within the next few days from the Obama camp.

You know exactly what everyone thought as soon as he said it, seeing how she just used her phrase less than a week ago.

[masomenos]

I think that's a fairly well known phrase. While I understand that people think it's a shot at Palin and compare it to the lipstick/pitbull comment she made herself I think that's a stretch.

[JBond]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_el_pr/obama_on_defense;_ylt=Akn6xjQJ76RJ8OlpN6If.bNh24cA

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_el_pr/obama_lipstick_5;_ylt=Au_UpCPEz.LUfRmIScrPdiFh24cA

Thanks WoodyGirl. Now they are both pathetic. Great. I never really liked either one.

BTW, you found that quick. Were you just hanging onto that to bring up at the right time?

[theogt]

I think he puts his foot in his mouth as much as W.

[bbgun]

I want to hold off until I actually hear the whole quote and the context...

But, if its true... Wow, jut wow.

This is a major gaffe. Nor will it endear him to all those disaffected Hillary voters. Palin is clearly inside Obama's head at this point.

[WoodysGirl]

Thanks WoodyGirl. Now they are both pathetic. Great. I never really liked either one.

BTW, you found that quick. Were you just hanging onto that to bring up at the right time?
No, I'd actually just read the articles on yahoo. I surf the web alot. I don't post everything I read. When I saw this thread and someone asked for the whole quote, I went and got it.

On a side note, that whole pitbull thing ain't exactly new. Rephrased, but not new. Eve, the hip-hop artist, came out with "Pit bull in a skirt" when she first came on the scene. Not sure why ladies want to refer to themselves as that, but I guess its to show men how tough they are.

[trickblue]

It's funny... the Dems are going after the VP candidate rather that McCain...

I'm sure they will find something they consider as merit as they are going after it full-force...

[REDVOLUTION]

I want to hold off until I actually hear the whole quote and the context...

But, if its true... Wow, jut wow.

I think that's a fairly well known phrase. While I understand that people think it's a shot at Palin and compare it to the lipstick/pitbull comment she made herself I think that's a stretch.



Context is not an issue on this. Yes the phrase is popular and a very old one.

BUT... quite obviously it is right after she used a "lipstick" line. There is no dancing around this one.

Strike 2 on ObamaBiden

[vta]

It's funny... the Dems are going after the VP candidate rather that McCain...

I'm sure the 'old fish' comment had it's purpose to that end.

[WoodysGirl]

It's funny... the Dems are going after the VP candidate rather that McCain...

I'm sure they will find something they consider as merit as they are going after it full-force...
She's the new kid on the block. I think it's only natural to go after her. She's got a few inconsistencies. Nothing that really says "gotcha" tho.

Her interview with ABC News should be interesting, cuz I'd really like to hear what she says.

[bbgun]

I think that's a fairly well known phrase. While I understand that people think it's a shot at Palin and compare it to the lipstick/pitbull comment she made herself I think that's a stretch.

The "lipstick" line was the funniest, most memorable part of Palin's acceptance speech. Liberal bloggers like Juan Cole have been using it to denigrate her ever since. For Obama to similarly use it in a disparaging way and claim innocence is too cute by half. And if "old fish" isn't a allusion to McCain, I'll eat my hat.

[JBond]

The "lipstick" line was the funniest, most memorable part of Palin's acceptance speech. Liberal bloggers like Juan Cole have been using it to denigrate her ever since. For Obama to similarly use it in a disparaging way and claim innocence is too cute by half. And if "old fish" isn't a allusion to McCain, I'll eat my hat.

I like your instincts. You are one hundred percent correct. So......(I know I shoud not do this) If Palin is a pig, what does that make Obama?
;)

Ducking low.

[bbgun]

Juan Cole, who somehow thinks Palin is the moral equivalent of Islamic extremists:

[...] the values of [John McCain's] handpicked running mate, Sarah Palin, more resemble those of Muslim fundamentalists than they do those of the Founding Fathers. On censorship, the teaching of creationism in schools, reproductive rights, attributing government policy to God’s will and climate change, Palin agrees with Hamas and Saudi Arabia rather than supporting tolerance and democratic precepts. What is the difference between Palin and a Muslim fundamentalist? Lipstick.

[trickblue]

Juan Cole, who somehow thinks Palin is the moral equivalent of Islamic extremists:

[...] the values of [John McCain's] handpicked running mate, Sarah Palin, more resemble those of Muslim fundamentalists than they do those of the Founding Fathers. On censorship, the teaching of creationism in schools, reproductive rights, attributing government policy to God’s will and climate change, Palin agrees with Hamas and Saudi Arabia rather than supporting tolerance and democratic precepts. What is the difference between Palin and a Muslim fundamentalist? Lipstick.

Mr. Cole should do more research before making a fool of himself in the national media...

[JBond]

Juan Cole, who somehow thinks Palin is the moral equivalent of Islamic extremists:

[...] the values of [John McCain's] handpicked running mate, Sarah Palin, more resemble those of Muslim fundamentalists than they do those of the Founding Fathers. On censorship, the teaching of creationism in schools, reproductive rights, attributing government policy to God’s will and climate change, Palin agrees with Hamas and Saudi Arabia rather than supporting tolerance and democratic precepts. What is the difference between Palin and a Muslim fundamentalist? Lipstick.

But...but...wait a minute. We have been told by the great Obama and his worshipers that those type of comparisons to muslims is out of bounds and not allowed.

[bbgun]

Mr. Cole should do more research before making a fool of himself in the national media...

He's a U. of Michigan professor more interested in character assassination than research.

[REDVOLUTION]

Botton Line:

Many thought she was picked to just shake up the ticket... maybe be used to get a the women on Repubs side.

Truth be told she is a force that will soon have to be reckoned with on that ticket.

[trickblue]

He's a U. of Michigan professor more interested in character assassination than research.

Oh... a professor... that explains a lot...

[BigWillie]

" You can put lipstick on a pig, put it is still a pig."

Your democrat party nominee Barack Obama talking about Sarah Palin in a speech today.

I just listened to the audio on the radio.

Now we can add juvenile to the list of character flaws for the mighty Obama.

Coke head, liar, racist church, Rezko, Ayers, muslim faith in interview, million man march, 57 states, and now hates women.

The gloves are off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/obama_trash_talk_alert_9908.html

You did not listen to anything because if you did, you would know exactly what it was referring to.

You see, I am just a little distance from Lebanon, VA and I made the trip to see this ENTIRE speech. I saw Ralph Stanley, Cecil Roberts, and even Big Tom from Survior. A star-studded event to say the least. :D

Was actually interesting since this was Obama's 2nd time to visit this area. He is actually the first major presidential candidate to visit this entire region of Virginia since JFK did almost 50 years ago. So it was quite a big deal to anyone of any political party.

But if they would show the ENTIRE clip before and after. Call local news outlets like WCYB and WJHL who filmed this from beginning to end.

Before this clip starts, he explained completely in-depth about how McCain's policies are the same as the last 8 years of Bush policies. This was actually very impressive how in-depth he went into McCain's own policies. He was also cracking jokes about how McCain went from the 'man of experience' to now he is the man of change as well, just like Obama. That is even how he began his trip into this whole topic.

In any case, after he explained this, he began the clip that you have seen on YouTube. Directly after that, he made the 'fish wrapped up in a piece of paper' comment. But I guess that was about Palin too. :rolleyes:

The 'pig on a lipstick' comment is only said to show that McCain can gloss over his policies all he wants, at the end of the day, it is still the same ugly policies as we have seen the last 8 years. Hell, the 'pig on a lipstick' is nothing more than one of those old sayings you hear that are so silly they make you laugh.

Nothing more, nothing less.

In all honesty, he did not even bring Palin up during his entire speech. He did make the crack he has made numerous times about visiting every state but Alaska. But that is the only time he even hinted around Palin. For the most part, Obama was there to explain himself, refute this ads with he considered 'bogus claims' by McCain and actually discuss very in-depth about his policies. Was very informative.

If they wanted a true sound-byte from the event, get the video of Cecil Roberts (UMWA president) who spoke before Obama and Boucher. I was even shocked at the pure hatred that man has for George Bush. It would have been one thing to attack GWB, but the way he spoke it came across like the GWB went into his house, stole a little nookie from his wife, drank his 'fridge full of beer then kicked his dog on the way out.

[theogt]

You did not listen to anything because if you did, you would know exactly what it was referring to.

You see, I am just a little distance from Lebanon, VA and I made the trip to see this ENTIRE speech. I saw Ralph Stanley, Cecil Roberts, Rick Boucher and even Big Tom from Survior. :D

Was actually interesting since this was Obama's 2nd time to visit this area. He is actually the first major presidential candidate to visit this entire region of Virginia since JFK did almost 50 years ago. So it was quite a big deal to anyone of any political party.

But if they would show the ENTIRE clip before and after. Call local news outlets like WCYB and WJHL who filmed this from beginning to end.

Before this clip starts, he explained completely in-depth about how McCain's policies are the same as the last 8 years of Bush policies. This was actually very impressive how in-depth he went into McCain's own policies. He was also cracking jokes about how McCain went from the 'man of experience' to now he is the man of change as well, just like Obama. That is even how he began his trip into this whole topic.

In any case, after he explained this, he began the clip that you have seen on YouTube. Directly after that, he made the 'fish wrapped up in a piece of paper' comment. But I guess that was about Palin too. :rolleyes:

The 'pig on a lipstick' comment is only said to show that McCain can gloss over his policies all he wants, at the end of the day, it is still the same ugly policies as we have seen the last 8 years. Hell, the 'pig on a lipstick' is nothing more than one of those old sayings you hear that are so silly they make you laugh.

Nothing more, nothing less.

In all honesty, he did not even bring Palin up during his entire speech. He did make the crack he has made numerous times about visiting every state but Alaska. But that is the only time he even hinted around Palin. For the most part, Obama was there to explain himself, refute this ads with he considered 'bogus claims' by McCain and actually discuss very in-depth about his policies. Was very informative.Either one of two things happened here. Either he intended to use the line because of the similarity with Palin's joke, which means he's an idiot for such a poor decision. Or he didn't intend to use the line in relation to Palin's joke, which means he's an idiot for not recognizing that people would draw the connection.

[adamc91115]

You did not listen to anything because if you did, you would know exactly what it was referring to.

You see, I am just a little distance from Lebanon, VA and I made the trip to see this ENTIRE speech. I saw Ralph Stanley, Cecil Roberts, Rick Boucher and even Big Tom from Survior. :D

Was actually interesting since this was Obama's 2nd time to visit this area. He is actually the first major presidential candidate to visit this entire region of Virginia since JFK did almost 50 years ago. So it was quite a big deal to anyone of any political party.

But if they would show the ENTIRE clip before and after. Call local news outlets like WCYB and WJHL who filmed this from beginning to end.

Before this clip starts, he explained completely in-depth about how McCain's policies are the same as the last 8 years of Bush policies. This was actually very impressive how in-depth he went into McCain's own policies. He was also cracking jokes about how McCain went from the 'man of experience' to now he is the man of change as well, just like Obama. That is even how he began his trip into this whole topic.

In any case, after he explained this, he began the clip that you have seen on YouTube. Directly after that, he made the 'fish wrapped up in a piece of paper' comment. But I guess that was about Palin too. :rolleyes:

The 'pig on a lipstick' comment is only said to show that McCain can gloss over his policies all he wants, at the end of the day, it is still the same ugly policies as we have seen the last 8 years. Hell, the 'pig on a lipstick' is nothing more than one of those old sayings you hear that are so silly they make you laugh.

Nothing more, nothing less.

In all honesty, he did not even bring Palin up during his entire speech. He did make the crack he has made numerous times about visiting every state but Alaska. But that is the only time he even hinted around Palin. For the most part, Obama was there to explain himself, refute this ads with he considered 'bogus claims' by McCain and actually discuss very in-depth about his policies. Was very informative.

Either way, you can't deny that it shows extremely bad judgment on his part...

You know he heard what Palin said in her speech, and less than a week later he says this.

[JBond]

You did not listen to anything because if you did, you would know exactly what it was referring to.

You see, I am just a little distance from Lebanon, VA and I made the trip to see this ENTIRE speech. I saw Ralph Stanley, Cecil Roberts, and even Big Tom from Survior. A star-studded event to say the least. :D

Was actually interesting since this was Obama's 2nd time to visit this area. He is actually the first major presidential candidate to visit this entire region of Virginia since JFK did almost 50 years ago. So it was quite a big deal to anyone of any political party.

But if they would show the ENTIRE clip before and after. Call local news outlets like WCYB and WJHL who filmed this from beginning to end.

Before this clip starts, he explained completely in-depth about how McCain's policies are the same as the last 8 years of Bush policies. This was actually very impressive how in-depth he went into McCain's own policies. He was also cracking jokes about how McCain went from the 'man of experience' to now he is the man of change as well, just like Obama. That is even how he began his trip into this whole topic.

In any case, after he explained this, he began the clip that you have seen on YouTube. Directly after that, he made the 'fish wrapped up in a piece of paper' comment. But I guess that was about Palin too. :rolleyes:

The 'pig on a lipstick' comment is only said to show that McCain can gloss over his policies all he wants, at the end of the day, it is still the same ugly policies as we have seen the last 8 years. Hell, the 'pig on a lipstick' is nothing more than one of those old sayings you hear that are so silly they make you laugh.

Nothing more, nothing less.

In all honesty, he did not even bring Palin up during his entire speech. He did make the crack he has made numerous times about visiting every state but Alaska. But that is the only time he even hinted around Palin. For the most part, Obama was there to explain himself, refute this ads with he considered 'bogus claims' by McCain and actually discuss very in-depth about his policies. Was very informative.

If they wanted a true sound-byte from the event, get the video of Cecil Roberts (UMWA president) who spoke before Obama and Boucher. I was even shocked at the pure hatred that man has for George Bush. It would have been one thing to attack GWB, but the way he spoke it came across like the GWB went into his house, stole a little nookie from his wife, drank his 'fridge full of beer then kicked his dog on the way out.

Spinning like a top. I knew some of the worshipers would be ready to defend the indefensibly stupid comments by the prophet Obama.

[bbgun]

Can you put a pantsuit on a pig?

[REDVOLUTION]

Can you put a pantsuit on a pig?

Why are you bringing Hillary into this? :laugh2:

[BigWillie]

Spinning like a top. I knew some of the worshipers would be ready to defend the indefensibly stupid comments by the prophet Obama.

Dude, I was there, I listened to the speech in it's entirety. I listened to 75 minutes worth of Obama speaking. You listened to a 47 second clip on YouTube. I do believe I would understand the context in which it was said a bit better.

Going to an Obama event hardly shows I support the man. In fact, I am completely un-decided. But being this is the first major presidential candidate to visit this area in 58 years, I must say I was not going to take the opportunity and blow it. Hopefully McCain and/or Palin can come so I can do them the justice of comparing.

And for those who believe it showed poor judgment -- possibly. However, that is just looking at things a little too deeply. When you look at the entire statement as a whole, you realize it had nothing to do with a direct shot at Palin but instead a shot at McCain's camp who are using the same message he is now. He even said as much if they would show the thing in it's entirety.

[JBond]

Can you put a pantsuit on a pig?

Whenever I hear about a pig and politics I think back to manbearpig in South Park. Makes me laugh every time.

[Aikbach]

The main rebuke here is that the self proclaimed "change' candidate is parading around with politics as usual.

[burmafrd]

You are VERY naive if you think that this was nothing. A mistake- probably.
BUT YOU are trying very hard to ignore the FACT that the lipstick thing was big talk and very well spread around. For OBAMA to use that NOW - like I said you are very naive.

[bbgun]

You are VERY naive if you think that this was nothing. A mistake- probably.
BUT YOU are trying very hard to ignore the FACT that the lipstick thing was big talk and very well spread around. For OBAMA to use that NOW - like I said you are very naive.

Yep. He was either dumb or malicious.

[Bach]

I guess this means monkey analogies are in play. Thanks for lowering the bar, Barak.

You mean like the one about putting a suit on a monkey and it's still a monkey?

[BigWillie]

You are VERY naive if you think that this was nothing. A mistake- probably.
BUT YOU are trying very hard to ignore the FACT that the lipstick thing was big talk and very well spread around. For OBAMA to use that NOW - like I said you are very naive.

Even if he did intend it for Palin, what exactly is the big deal? It would be seen as him turning that statement on her, the same as completely disrespected not only Obama, but community organizers nationwide in rebuttal to the 'experience' argument.

So I still am yet to see the bigger picture in this.

If people are making it a big deal just to make it a big deal, then go ahead. But it's pretty lame.

I'd stick to the Ayers, Wright and Rezko stuff personally.

[burmafrd]

Sound bites, willie. Think about it.

[trickblue]

The main rebuke here is that the self proclaimed "change' candidate is parading around with politics as usual.

CHANGE...

[bbgun]

I thought Harvard trained lawyers were supposed to be smart, or at least politically savvy. My bad.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It's funny... the Dems are going after the VP candidate rather that McCain...

I'm sure they will find something they consider as merit as they are going after it full-force...

big mistake

they should consider her irrelevant as most VPs are.

[adamc91115]

Even if he did intend it for Palin, what exactly is the big deal? It would be seen as him turning that statement on her, the same as completely disrespected not only Obama, but community organizers nationwide in rebuttal to the 'experience' argument.

So I still am yet to see the bigger picture in this.

If people are making it a big deal just to make it a big deal, then go ahead. But it's pretty lame.

I'd stick to the Ayers, Wright and Rezko stuff personally.

She was defending herself after the OBAMA campaign criticized small town mayors.

And as you said, "even if he did intend it for Palin", he basically just called her a pig.

But, malicious or not, this just shows Obama has no judgment whatsoever.

[trickblue]

big mistake

they should consider her irrelevant as most VPs are.

I agree... they are going after the wrong person...

They are going to portrayed as going after a woman...

We don' have any clear cut candidates in this race... much like you guys since Brian Mulroney... ;)

[Aikbach]

I agree... they are going after the wrong person...

They are going to portrayed as going after a woman...

We don' have any clear cut candidates in this race... much like you guys since Brian Mulroney... ;)Harper ain't bad, but he's no Mulroney.;):D

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I agree... they are going after the wrong person...

They are going to portrayed as going after a woman...

We don' have any clear cut candidates in this race... much like you guys since Brian Mulroney... ;)

nah, he was pretty much a butthead too

actually the right wing in the US would have hated him, he was pretty liberal in his thinking

[WoodysGirl]

nah, he was pretty much a butthead too

actually the right wing in the US would have hated him, he was pretty liberal in his thinking
Hey, you posted something in french the other day in response to Brandon. I was actually proud that those six years of french lessons paid off cuz I actually somewhat understood what you meant.

Yes, I know that was OT, but just sharing.

[bbgun]

Hey, you posted something in french the other day in response to Brandon. I was actually proud that those six years of french lessons paid off cuz I actually somewhat understood what you meant.

Yes, I know that was OT, but just sharing.

Je t'aime.

[trickblue]

nah, he was pretty much a butthead too

actually the right wing in the US would have hated him, he was pretty liberal in his thinking

Sure he was... but he understood the world view pretty well...

I read an article not to long ago where an avowed liberal said he didn't agree with our policy, but a world with a weakened US would be a bad world...

Mulroney understood this and he was a great friend to the US...

He was a great Canadian President...

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Hey, you posted something in french the other day in response to Brandon. I was actually proud that those six years of french lessons paid off cuz I actually somewhat understood what you meant.

Yes, I know that was OT, but just sharing.

good stuff, French is a beautiful language, moreso the way it is spoken in France than in Quebec

My son is starting French Immersion kindergarten tomorrow. He will learn Parisian french whereas I learned Quebec french. Should make helping him with his homework sweet ;)

[trickblue]

good stuff, French is a beautiful language, moreso the way it is spoken in France than in Quebec

My son is starting French Immersion kindergarten tomorrow. He will learn Parisian french whereas I learned Quebec french. Should make helping him with his homework sweet ;)

Me and our QB in high school took French because all the girls were in there..

It worked wonders... :D

Beautiful language...

[theebs]

I guess this means monkey analogies are in play. Thanks for lowering the bar, Barak.

:rolleyes:

[masomenos]

Me and our QB in high school took French because all the girls were in there..

It worked wonders... :D

Beautiful language...

That's why I took French in high school too! :lmao:

[WoodysGirl]

Je t'aime.:puke: :laugh2:

good stuff, French is a beautiful language, moreso the way it is spoken in France than in Quebec

My son is starting French Immersion kindergarten tomorrow. He will learn Parisian french whereas I learned Quebec french. Should make helping him with his homework sweet ;)I guess you could say I learned Parisian french. I never mastered the art of speaking it, tho. My accent is awful and my understanding of the language is average, but what you posted wasn't too complex for the most part.

I was watching something on the news the other day about immersion classes, except down here they were for spanish. Very interesting concept that I wish I could've taken when I was younger.

[iceberg]

" You can put lipstick on a pig, put it is still a pig."

Your democrat party nominee Barack Obama talking about Sarah Palin in a speech today.

I just listened to the audio on the radio.

Now we can add juvenile to the list of character flaws for the mighty Obama.

Coke head, liar, racist church, Rezko, Ayers, muslim faith in interview, million man march, 57 states, and now hates women.

The gloves are off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/obama_trash_talk_alert_9908.html

sounds like the left after palin had her speech. THIS IS WAR BAY-BEE!!!!

she's the one who made the 1st lipstick comment, not obama. she probably laughed it off too. you'd be hard pressed to insult a beauty queen on looks and make her give a flip.

[bbgun]

And Biden is a BALD-faced liar.

[ChldsPlay]

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change, but it's still going to stink after eight years."

So Obama admits his "change" mantra is just a bunch of BS sugarcoating for the sheep that buy his crap?

[trickblue]

And Biden is a BALD-faced liar.

News flash...

Obama couldn't have chosen a bigger dolt...

[masomenos]

And Biden is a BALD-faced liar.

Meaning he has no beard?

[trickblue]

Meaning he has no beard?

No beard... but bad hair plugs... ;)

[masomenos]

No beard... but bad hair plugs... ;)

Oh they're not that bad...

...

:lmao2:

I couldn't even keep a straight face as I typed it.

[trickblue]

Oh they're not that bad...

...

:lmao2:

I couldn't even keep a straight face as I typed it.

I agree... they are REALLY bad... doll hair the the max...

It's better since he went with the white hair...

[JBond]

So Obama admits his "change" mantra is just a bunch of BS sugarcoating for the sheep that buy his crap?

Well done.:D

[JBond]

Even if he did intend it for Palin, what exactly is the big deal? It would be seen as him turning that statement on her, the same as completely disrespected not only Obama, but community organizers nationwide in rebuttal to the 'experience' argument.

So I still am yet to see the bigger picture in this.

If people are making it a big deal just to make it a big deal, then go ahead. But it's pretty lame.

I'd stick to the Ayers, Wright and Rezko stuff personally.

So I can call you're boy anything I want? You say it is fine with you for name calling.
:rolleyes:

[BigWillie]

She was defending herself after the OBAMA campaign criticized small town mayors.

And as you said, "even if he did intend it for Palin", he basically just called her a pig.

But, malicious or not, this just shows Obama has no judgment whatsoever.

That is a complete lie, distortion and absolute untruth.

If you want to criticize Obama on the issues or even his ties with shady people, be my guest. However, this is complete and total garbage of epic standards.

I mean, McCain said the same thing in referring to HRC's health care plan. What exactly is the difference?

So I can call you're boy anything I want? You say it is fine with you for name calling.
:rolleyes:

You have to be an idiot of epic standards to bring my children into this argument.

No matter what point you are trying to make, bringing anyones children into any argument is sickening and perverse.

If you want to speak like a grown man, speak like a grown man. Otherwise, go sit in the corner with the rest of the thumb-suckers.

[JBond]

That is a complete lie, distortion and absolute untruth.

If you want to criticize Obama on the issues or even his ties with shady people, be my guest. However, this is complete and total garbage of epic standards.

I mean, McCain said the same thing in referring to HRC's health care plan. What exactly is the difference?



You have to be an idiot of epic standards to bring my children into this argument.

No matter what point you are trying to make, bringing anyones children into any argument is sickening and perverse.

If you want to speak like a grown man, speak like a grown man. Otherwise, go sit in the corner with the rest of the thumb-suckers.

You're boy Obama. The prophet. The savior of the universe. Not your children. Good grief. The guy that hangs with terrorists, felons, attends racist churches, hates the military. That is the clown I'm talking about. Not your children. No wonder you are a liberal. You are lost.

[iceberg]

That is a complete lie, distortion and absolute untruth.

If you want to criticize Obama on the issues or even his ties with shady people, be my guest. However, this is complete and total garbage of epic standards.

I mean, McCain said the same thing in referring to HRC's health care plan. What exactly is the difference?

1. you start off saying it's a lie and you end this thought with mccain did the same thing so what's the difference?

which is it? more of the same or a lie? you can't have both ways regardless of how liberal you may be.

and he wasn't bringing your family into this, he was referencing obama as 'your boy'. and if it's sickening and perverse, please tell me why the liberal side of the dems went after palins daughter. did you cry out in foul play then?

[ConcordCowboy]

I thought it was a great line and true.

Also liked the Old Fish still going to smell after eight years.

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen...Oh no did that refer to Palin being a women?

:laugh2:

[WoodysGirl]

1. you start off saying it's a lie and you end this thought with mccain did the same thing so what's the difference?

which is it? more of the same or a lie? you can't have both ways regardless of how liberal you may be.I'm thinking the lie part is about Obama himself criticizing small town mayors. I don't recall him ever doing that. News outlets and blogs have, but I don't specifically recall Obama dissing her.

The lipstick part is what he's referencing as the fact that both McCain and Obama used the reference.

Reading it in context, I don't think he was referencing Palin at all. Unfortunate phrase since people seems to think he was.

[jimmy40]

You have to be an idiot of epic standards to bring my children into this argument.

No matter what point you are trying to make, bringing anyones children into any argument is sickening and perverse.

If you want to speak like a grown man, speak like a grown man. Otherwise, go sit in the corner with the rest of the thumb-suckers.Get a freaking grip.

[zrinkill]

Obama keeps making these gaffs ..... unbelievable.

[ConcordCowboy]

Obama keeps making these gaffs ..... unbelievable.

It wasn't a gaff.

He said it intentionally.

[zrinkill]

It wasn't a gaff.

He said it intentionally.

It was still a gaff because he did not foresee the reaction.

Which is why his numbers keep dropping .....

[iceberg]

I'm thinking the lie part is about Obama himself criticizing small town mayors. I don't recall him ever doing that. News outlets and blogs have, but I don't specifically recall Obama dissing her.

The lipstick part is what he's referencing as the fact that both McCain and Obama used the reference.

Reading it in context, I don't think he was referencing Palin at all. Unfortunate phrase since people seems to think he was.

in the context of which it was used it did sound more like putting lipstick on mccain to have him not be bush but he still is. i just went out and actually read it. :)

but yea, obama himself said STOP the personal insults and for the most part, it does seem like it has chilled some. i hear obama get the usual jabs in that are part of politics unfortunately but i've not heard him "himself" go over the top yet.

i just get stuck on contradictions and trying to get through the mud as soon as possible these days. this is kinda my last forum around here to talk in (for my own reasons, mind you - that's all) so i'm trying to make sure i keep it fun and not a pain to others. (at least for me that is)

[ConcordCowboy]

It was still a gaff because he did not foresee the reaction.

Which is why his numbers keep dropping .....

Have they taken a poll since he said it?

[iceberg]

It was still a gaff because he did not foresee the reaction.

Which is why his numbers keep dropping .....

do you think he was talking about palin or mccain? if mccain i see no problem. if palin i see a "chilvary" type problem but she stepped into the ring of politics. no one ever said it would be fun, fair or the like.

not to be sexist here but if you can't take the heat....however so far she's done just fine and these things seem to roll and she just fights back. this is arguably the most intersting election in awhile, that's for sure.

[WoodysGirl]

in the context of which it was used it did sound more like putting lipstick on mccain to have him not be bush but he still is. i just went out and actually read it. :) good for you. :) I actually posted it on the first page, but I know its hard to go thru a long thread sometimes.


but yea, obama himself said STOP the personal insults and for the most part, it does seem like it has chilled some. i hear obama get the usual jabs in that are part of politics unfortunately but i've not heard him "himself" go over the top yet.They all have jabbed one another. But in this case, I don't think what he said was personal at all.

The problem I see is that people have only heard the clip and not the full statement.

There was a poll on the radio as to whether Obama should apologize to Palin? And then they played the "Lipstick" clip. Of course you would think he should if you only heard that soundbyte.

But if one takes the time to follow-up on the comment, then I think they would change their opinion or at least recognize it for what it was. Political rhetoric. I don't see why should he apologize.

[WoodysGirl]

do you think he was talking about palin or mccain? if mccain i see no problem. if palin i see a "chilvary" type problem but she stepped into the ring of politics. no one ever said it would be fun, fair or the like.

not to be sexist here but if you can't take the heat....however so far she's done just fine and these things seem to roll and she just fights back. this is arguably the most intersting election in awhile, that's for sure.That's not sexist. That's being real. She compared herself to a pitbull on national TV and it tickled everybody. If she's going to set herself up to be that tough, then her supporters better toughen up as well.

[Bach]

That is a complete lie, distortion and absolute untruth.

I mean, McCain said the same thing in referring to HRC's health care plan. What exactly is the difference?

And Hillary hadn't just made a remark a week or so earlier about lipstick. That's the difference.

There's no way Obama didn't equate his lipstick comment with what Palin said.

[iceberg]

yep. and most people don't have time or desire to go out and look. esp. if what they heard is a bullet in their political gun. this one seems to have misfired though.

we're a world of soundbytes and since palin wasn't what he was talking about, an apology would be silly. i hope he backbones up and tells those crying foul to hush and try listening to everything, not a soundbyte, for a change.

[ConcordCowboy]

That's not sexist. That's being real. She compared herself to a pitbull on national TV and it tickled everybody. If she's going to set herself up to be that tough, then her supporters better toughen up as well.

Exactly.

To think otherwise is ridiculous.

[iceberg]

And Hillary hadn't just made a remark a week or so earlier about lipstick. That's the difference.

There's no way Obama didn't equate his lipstick comment with what Palin said.

he may have followed the lead, but he didn't direct it at her. huge difference. i hope we're not trying to get to the point that once palin says something that phrase belongs to her, are we?

if she cites CHANGE as a platform does obama's camp have to quit using it? (i wish they would but only cause i'm tired of 1 word agendas)

[Bach]

he may have followed the lead, but he didn't direct it at her. huge difference. i hope we're not trying to get to the point that once palin says something that phrase belongs to her, are we?

if she cites CHANGE as a platform does obama's camp have to quit using it? (i wish they would but only cause i'm tired of 1 word agendas)

Change is a typical campaign idea used often during elections. How often do you hear politicians mentioning lipstick?

Yeah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence that Obama made his lipstick comment a week or so after Palin's line about lipstick at the GOP convention was the big soundbyte all last week. :rolleyes:

[iceberg]

Change is a typical campaign idea used often during elections. How often do you hear politicians mentioning lipstick?

Yeah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence that Obama made his lipstick comment a week or so after Palin's line about lipstick at the GOP convention was the big soundbyte all last week. :rolleyes:

did i say coincidence? no, i said he followed her lead, that was all. it's not uncommon to see someone jump on something that works regardless of who's "side" they're on.

do you feel he made that in reference to palin or mccain?

[Bach]

did i say coincidence? no, i said he followed her lead, that was all. it's not uncommon to see someone jump on something that works regardless of who's "side" they're on.

do you feel he made that in reference to palin or mccain?

She was talking about herself when she made the lipstick comment. You say he followed her lead when he said you can put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. Yet we're to believe he wasn't talking about her even though that's what she was talking about in regards to lipstick?

[vta]

did i say coincidence? no, i said he followed her lead, that was all. it's not uncommon to see someone jump on something that works regardless of who's "side" they're on.

do you feel he made that in reference to palin or mccain?

It's open ended and subject to interpretation. Nothing is left to chance, and the knowledge that this will be used as a double entendre is not lost on anyone. The beauty of the double entendre, is you can feign innocence. Some wil pretend to buy that excuse but sorry, we've at least evolved this far to know the use of language and it's effects on others.

Hell, just look at how these people are lauded for talking properly. A great orator? What an accomplishment! I thought it was a fundamental skill.

Had I known, what heights might I have reached by simply having good grammar?

[zrinkill]

Have they taken a poll since he said it?


I don't mean just in this circumstance ..... which I think is being overblown by the way .... I am talking about the others he has done lately .....

He seems rattled by Palin's rise ..... and fairly or not, I think most of the public sees the constant dirty attacks on her being orchestrated by his campaign ..... which said in the beginning would be above such nonsense.

[ConcordCowboy]

I don't mean just in this circumstance ..... which I think is being overblown by the way .... I am talking about the others he has done lately .....

He seems rattled by Palin's rise ..... and fairly or not, I think most of the public sees the constant dirty attacks on her being orchestrated by his campaign ..... which said in the beginning would be above such nonsense.

Gotcha.

[iceberg]

She was talking about herself when she made the lipstick comment. You say he followed her lead when he said you can put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. Yet we're to believe he wasn't talking about her even though that's what she was talking about in regards to lipstick?

no. she compared herself to a tough bulldog that dives into things and won't let go. SHE made that comparison and started the trend so even if it was a return fire, don't give your enemy bullets. the phrase lipstick on a pig isn't new and i've heard it in the music industry all the time to describe a band that regardless of the look they still sucked.

she opened that bottle up and to me it makes sense that it triggered this phrase and someone thought they could do more comparisons to say "mccain is just another bush".

i wish there was a common code of conduct or rulebook to play by that made this easier cause otherwise speculation runs more rampants than manure at a diaherra ward.

It's open ended and subject to interpretation. Nothing is left to chance, and the knowledge that this will be used as a double entendre is not lost on anyone. The beauty of the double entendre, is you can feign innocence. Some wil pretend to buy that excuse but sorry, we've at least evolved this far to know the use of language and it's effects on others.

Hell, just look at how these people are lauded for talking properly. A great orator? What an accomplishment! I thought it was a fundamental skill.

Had I known, what heights might I have reached by simply having good grammar?

i usually use double entendre for sexual references and i don't think i've ever used those in reference to a pig. well not sober anyway.

he used a lipstick comment about bush. that's what it sounded like to me. i don't like it when one side gets overly sensitive so i just let it go.

ooooo - one politican said something mean to another. i just don't get that excited about it because both sides are ripe with more examples of this than sand granuales in iraq. i do think our own sensitivity is higher for her cause she's new and came out very well for the repub side. the desire to defend her may be even higher cause she's a hottie *and* intelligent. (so few of us out there : ) but i don't want to get to the point where she says something clever (or any politician does) and that phrase belongs to that person.

in this instance i do believe that obama was doing more "mcsame" pushing cause this is his only real leverage to date and he'd be a fool not to push it as hard as he can. i think it's stupid cause mccain was never just like bush till the dems needed him to be, but oh well, pick your battles and come out swinging, ya know?

lipstick on a pig. well since bush is considered the pig all i took him to say was was that you're getting the same thing with a different look.

i can see a connection to mccain on this. i can't see one to palin except she made a lipstick comment previously. if there's hidden meaning in there i stopped looking cause that's always subject to interpretation.

[iceberg]

I don't mean just in this circumstance ..... which I think is being overblown by the way .... I am talking about the others he has done lately .....

He seems rattled by Palin's rise ..... and fairly or not, I think most of the public sees the constant dirty attacks on her being orchestrated by his campaign ..... which said in the beginning would be above such nonsense.

he does seem rattled, and for good reason. palin came out very strong and very dignified, but in a "mom next door" way and obama's camp doesn't have that touch of "realism" and even "fantasy" in there. i'm anxious to hear what else she has on her mind because if initial reaction is any indication, she, like obama, will be around for awhile so we'll get to know her well enough in time.

i think this was an incredible move by the repubs and may just put them over the top in november. i hope so for my own reasons. but if you step into the political ring, it gets ugly. crying foul is just crying to me.

there's no crying in politics!!!! : )

[Doomsday101]

Sarah Palin is a big girl she can handle herself now that does not mean some of the voters will not think differently of Obama and Bidens comments that too is part of the political game where a comment can turn a voter off. What amazes me it the fact you have the top of the ticket hammering a VP which is seldom ever done.

[Bach]

she opened that bottle up and to me it makes sense that it triggered this phrase and someone thought they could do more comparisons to say "mccain is just another bush".


I can't believe that it didn't cross Obama's mind that his lipstick comment about a pig could be tied to Palin.

I agree he's free to say what he wants and I hope he's keeps shooting himself in the foot with his stupidity.

[ConcordCowboy]

no. she compared herself to a tough bulldog that dives into things and won't let go. SHE made that comparison and started the trend so even if it was a return fire, don't give your enemy bullets. the phrase lipstick on a pig isn't new and i've heard it in the music industry all the time to describe a band that regardless of the look they still sucked.

she opened that bottle up and to me it makes sense that it triggered this phrase and someone thought they could do more comparisons to say "mccain is just another bush".

i wish there was a common code of conduct or rulebook to play by that made this easier cause otherwise speculation runs more rampants than manure at a diaherra ward.



i usually use double entendre for sexual references and i don't think i've ever used those in reference to a pig. well not sober anyway.

he used a lipstick comment about bush. that's what it sounded like to me. i don't like it when one side gets overly sensitive so i just let it go.

ooooo - one politican said something mean to another. i just don't get that excited about it because both sides are ripe with more examples of this than sand granuales in iraq. i do think our own sensitivity is higher for her cause she's new and came out very well for the repub side. the desire to defend her may be even higher cause she's a hottie *and* intelligent. (so few of us out there : ) but i don't want to get to the point where she says something clever (or any politician does) and that phrase belongs to that person.

in this instance i do believe that obama was doing more "mcsame" pushing cause this is his only real leverage to date and he'd be a fool not to push it as hard as he can. i think it's stupid cause mccain was never just like bush till the dems needed him to be, but oh well, pick your battles and come out swinging, ya know?

lipstick on a pig. well since bush is considered the pig all i took him to say was was that you're getting the same thing with a different look.

i can see a connection to mccain on this. i can't see one to palin except she made a lipstick comment previously. if there's hidden meaning in there i stopped looking cause that's always subject to interpretation.

You know the difference between a Bulldog and Ice?

Nothing!

:p:

[ConcordCowboy]

Sarah Palin is a big girl she can handle herself now that does not mean some of the voters will not think differently of Obama and Bidens comments that too is part of the political game where a comment can turn a voter off. What amazes me it the fact you have the top of the ticket hammering a VP which is seldom ever done.

She's the top of the ticket...no matter what McCain thinks. :D

Without her McCain would be dead and everyone knows it.

Damn, was that dead comment a reference to McCain's age?

:p:

[zrinkill]

Gotcha.

Personally I think Obama wants to run a clean campaign .....

I think his followers have gotten nervous and resorted to the same old gutter politics.

Just like Kerry in 2004 ....... Obama has lost control of the Extreme Lefts machine.

And it just might cost him an election he seemed to have wrapped up a month ago.

[iceberg]

She's the top of the ticket...no matter what McCain thinks. :D

Without her McCain would be dead and everyone knows it.

totally disagree.

[Phrozen Phil]

At some point, in any political campaign, the candidates are going to have to answer tough questions. Sarah Palin has had a free ride due to her novice status in federal politics, but she will eventually have to step away from the carefully staged appearances and account for her positions. She has portrayed herself as a gun-loving, anti-choice, extreme right wing candidate, and she will need to face up to all the voting public, not just to her banjo-picking friends.

Obama's statement was a well crafted response that some of you guys have taken out of context. He's simply pointing out that voting Republican means more of the same Xenophobic government that Bush repesented.

[iceberg]

You know the difference between a Bulldog and Ice?

Nothing!

:p:

bulldogs get more love. : )

[vta]

i usually use double entendre for sexual references and i don't think i've ever used those in reference to a pig. well not sober anyway.

he used a lipstick comment about bush. that's what it sounded like to me. i don't like it when one side gets overly sensitive so i just let it go.

ooooo - one politican said something mean to another. i just don't get that excited about it because both sides are ripe with more examples of this than sand granuales in iraq. i do think our own sensitivity is higher for her cause she's new and came out very well for the repub side. the desire to defend her may be even higher cause she's a hottie *and* intelligent. (so few of us out there : ) but i don't want to get to the point where she says something clever (or any politician does) and that phrase belongs to that person.

in this instance i do believe that obama was doing more "mcsame" pushing cause this is his only real leverage to date and he'd be a fool not to push it as hard as he can. i think it's stupid cause mccain was never just like bush till the dems needed him to be, but oh well, pick your battles and come out swinging, ya know?

lipstick on a pig. well since bush is considered the pig all i took him to say was was that you're getting the same thing with a different look.

i can see a connection to mccain on this. i can't see one to palin except she made a lipstick comment previously. if there's hidden meaning in there i stopped looking cause that's always subject to interpretation.

A double entendre isn't restricted to sexual reference and with this comment, the thought would certainly have crossed my mind; it is open to interpretation. Nothing is black and white, to try to function within those two values alone leaves one at a remarkable disadvantage.

It's not a matter of sensitivity, just recognition and how it can certainly fly in the face of supposed, publicly espoused values.

[ConcordCowboy]

Personally I think Obama wants to run a clean campaign .....

I think his followers have gotten nervous and resorted to the same old gutter politics.

Just like Kerry in 2004 ....... Obama has lost control of the Extreme Lefts machine.

And it just might cost him an election he seemed to have wrapped up a month ago.

Running a clean campaign is a nice thought but really is unrealistic.

[iceberg]

At some point, in any political campaign, the candidates are going to have to answer tough questions. Sarah Palin has had a free ride due to her novice status in federal politics, but she will eventually have to step away from the carefully staged appearances and account for her positions. She has portrayed herself as a gun-loving, anti-choice, extreme right wing candidate, and she will need to face up to all the voting public, not just to her banjo-picking friends.

Obama's statement was a well crafted response that some of you guys have taken out of context. He's simply pointing out that voting Republican means more of the same Xenophobic government that Bush repesented.

free ride my unshaven hiney. as soon as she was announced there were nude photos being banded about, (not her in the end) and just a gov from a "small outpost" and wow, she was taking hit after hit as soon as her name got out there. she took her time to reply and shows restraint and patience to wait for the right time to fire back. it paid great dividends for her and the repubs.

in her short time she's gotten more media coverage than obama and that's no small feat. i agree on what obama was after. this is what he said and anything else is an unfair assumption that i know people will make. but ooo - if he did call palin a pig, wow. the horror and politics will never recover.

i do agree that he gave back a bullet, unintentionally however. the comment was twisted to be what palins defense coucil wants and we move on. but you'll never sell me the "free ride" bridge. crap on a wicker stick.

[ConcordCowboy]

bulldogs get more love. : )

No wonder...look at this pathetic puppy!

http://baddminton.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/prof_chips.jpg

[iceberg]

A double entendre isn't restricted to sexual reference and with this comment, the thought would certainly have crossed my mind; it is open to interpretation. Nothing is black and white, to try to function within those two values alone leaves one at a remarkable disadvantage.

It's not a matter of sensitivity, just recognition and how it can certainly fly in the face of supposed, publicly espoused values.

well if the first thing palins side think is "is she talking about me". because obama said lipstick, then wouldn't it be fair to say when *she* said lipstick this comment could have crossed their own minds to hit bush with?

we misinterpret what we say in here all the time. expand that out and it's only logical it can happen elsewhere.

[WoodysGirl]

Lipstick put to more than one use in campaign

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

9 minutes ago



LEBANON, Va. - Lipstick has more than one use in the presidential campaign. To Sarah Palin, it's part of a joke. To Barack Obama and John McCain, it's part of a gibe suggesting a bad policy revisited.

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To the McCain campaign, it's a way to claim — in a thinly stretched argument — a sexist criticism of Palin by Obama.

Palin referred to lipstick as she accepted the Republican nomination for vice president, saying that it's the only thing that separates a hockey mom like her from a pit bull.

Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, brought up lipstick on Tuesday in comparing the policies of McCain, his Republican rival for the White House, to those of President Bush.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said during a campaign stop. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."

McCain's campaign accused Obama of "smearing" Palin in "offensive and disgraceful" comments and demanded an apology — though McCain himself used the folksy metaphor a few times last year,including once to describe Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan.

Obama's campaign responded by saying that Obama wasn't referring to Palin and then accused the GOP camp of engaging in a "pathetic attempt to play the gender card." In an e-mail to reporters, the campaign noted two other instances of McCain using the phrase and its use by other Republicans such as House Minority Leader John Boehner and Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl.

In his speech Tuesday, Obama followed up the comments by saying that Palin's is an interesting story, drawing boos at the mention of her name and trying to cut them off.

"Look, she's new, she hasn't been on the scene, she's got five kids. And my hat goes off to anybody who's looking after five. I've got two and they tire Michelle and me out," he said.

A questioner asked Obama to join Republicans and agree that candidates' families and religion are off limits. Palin's pregnant unmarried teenage daughter and the teachings of her church, the nondenominational Wasilla Bible Church, have been the subject of scrutiny since McCain picked her as his running mate.

Obama responded that he already has said families are off limits and he's very protective of his daughters, 10-year-old Malia and 7-year-old Sasha. He said he doesn't want their inevitable future mistakes to become newspaper fodder if he gets to the White House.

Obama also is no stranger to attacks on his religion. He's been the subject of a false rumor campaign saying he's a Muslim, and the racially tinged sermons of his longtime former preacher caused problems for his campaign earlier this year.

He stressed that he's a Christian and "so the fact that Gov. Palin is deeply religious, that's a good thing." He said poking around in her religion or saying it's wrong is "offensive" and he wants to have a debate about the issues.

"But don't give people some sort of religious litmus test because I don't want somebody to question my faith and I'm certainly not going to question somebody else's," he said.

___

On the Net:

Obama campaign: http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

McCain campaign: http://www.johnmccain.com/

[Phrozen Phil]

free ride my unshaven hiney. as soon as she was announced there were nude photos being banded about, (not her in the end) and just a gov from a "small outpost" and wow, she was taking hit after hit as soon as her name got out there. she took her time to reply and shows restraint and patience to wait for the right time to fire back. it paid great dividends for her and the repubs.

in her short time she's gotten more media coverage than obama and that's no small feat. i agree on what obama was after. this is what he said and anything else is an unfair assumption that i know people will make. but ooo - if he did call palin a pig, wow. the horror and politics will never recover.

i do agree that he gave back a bullet, unintentionally however. the comment was twisted to be what palins defense coucil wants and we move on. but you'll never sell me the "free ride" bridge. crap on a wicker stick.

I'm talking about her political positions, not the US magazine or the porn images. You'll note that those got little mileage afte the initial announcement. I want to see how she would plan to deal with the huge deficit, how she plans to deal with the contentious Social Security issue, and the ongoing problems with health care. Her personal life is not a political issue.

[WoodysGirl]

At some point, in any political campaign, the candidates are going to have to answer tough questions. Sarah Palin has had a free ride due to her novice status in federal politics, but she will eventually have to step away from the carefully staged appearances and account for her positions. She has portrayed herself as a gun-loving, anti-choice, extreme right wing candidate, and she will need to face up to all the voting public, not just to her banjo-picking friends.

Obama's statement was a well crafted response that some of you guys have taken out of context. He's simply pointing out that voting Republican means more of the same Xenophobic government that Bush repesented.
To follow-up this point

No questions, please; Palin sticks to her script

By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer
Tue Sep 9, 11:07 PM ET



LEBANON, Ohio - John McCain took a risk in picking little-known Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate, but now the campaign's playing it safer. She's sticking to a greatest hits version of her convention speech on the campaign trail and steering clear of questions until she's comfortable enough for a hand-picked interviewer later this week.

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More than 40 million people tuned in last week to listen to the speech from Palin, the 44-year-old, first-term governor whom McCain announced as his surprise vice presidential pick just days before. Since then, that basic script is all anyone has heard from her publicly, and her only interaction with the media was a brief conversation with a small group of reporters on her plane Monday — off the record at her handlers' insistence.

Associated Press reporters were not on the plane, but an aide told the journalists on board that all Palin flights would be off the record unless the media were told otherwise. At least one reporter objected. Two people on the flight said the Palins greeted the media and they chatted about who had been to Alaska, but little else was said.

By comparison, her Democratic counterpart, Joe Biden, has been campaigning on his own, at times taking questions from audiences. He split off to campaign separately from Barack Obama the day after Obama announced his selection. They reunited at their party's convention and spent the following weekend campaigning together.

Biden's appearances have touched on a range of issues — in Florida he talked about U.S. support for Israel, in Pennsylvania it was economics and tax policy. He was interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday

Amid growing sniping from Democrats, the McCain campaign announced that Palin would sit down for her first interview this week, with ABC. It will take place over two days at her home in Alaska.

And then?

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis has said Palin will "agree to an interview when we think it's time and when she feels comfortable doing it."

"She's not scared to answer questions," Davis said on "Fox News Sunday."

So far, Palin has barely spoken with voters either. Since the convention, she and McCain have breezed through a Wisconsin ice cream shop, a New Mexico restaurant and a Missouri barbecue place, shaking hands with diners but not taking any questions. Photographers and television cameras have been allowed full view while reporters are typically kept too far away to ask questions or hear most of the conversations.

Her public remarks essentially have been excerpts of her convention speech, delivered while introducing McCain at rallies.

Her schedule released Tuesday shows she will attend a "welcome home" rally in Fairbanks, Alaska, on Wednesday evening — her first major campaign appearance without McCain at her side and his advisers hanging in the wings.

To be sure, all candidates running for office give the same remarks over and over — Barack Obama's stump speech has hardly changed throughout the campaign, and McCain has been telling familiar stories and jokes for months.

But none of the candidates in this race has been so shielded from the media, so protected from any spontaneous situation, and Palin's unvarying remarks give the impression that she and her message are being tightly controlled. As before her convention speech, McCain's campaign is briefing Palin for her first TV interview.

After a rally Tuesday in Lancaster, Pa., a group of supporters waiting outside to shake hands with McCain and Palin screamed for her to jump up on an outdoor platform, as McCain had just done, and speak to them.

"Speech! Speech!" they cried. She continued down the line, shaking hands, and then hopped into an SUV.

In her prepared remarks, there are always descriptions of McCain as a "man who's there to serve his country and not just his party." He's someone who's "not looking for a fight but is not afraid of one either." He "doesn't run with the Washington herd." He's the only man in this election "who has ever really fought for you."

And always the same details about herself, how she "stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies and the good ol' boys network," as a mayor and then governor in Alaska.

The people in their crowds, many of whom say they've heard these lines before, still go wild when she repeats that McCain put everything on the line last year when he said "he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war."

She can be a little cutting, as well, when it comes to the Democrats.

"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers," she says. "And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

She delivers the line, like many of her veiled criticisms of Obama, in a disapproving tone that still manages to sound charming to her fans. It is part of what makes her so popular on the campaign trail.

In Lancaster they cheered when she reminded them, as she did in her convention speech, of Obama's primary-season comment about how some small-town Americans are bitter and cling to guns or religion. She also claimed again that she said "thanks but no thanks" to Alaska's so-called Bridge to Nowhere, even though her version of the story has been widely debunked.

She voiced support for the bridge during her gubernatorial campaign, and the project was only called off after it had become an embarrassment to the state.

Another crowd favorite in her speech is that story about how she got rid of luxuries in the state Capitol, like a personal driver, chef and luxury jet.

"I put it on eBay," she says.

Audiences love this part, but what Palin never adds is that the jet didn't sell on eBay despite numerous attempts. The state eventually hired an aircraft broker to unload it.

[Brandon]

The only pig around here is Obama, there are 57 states and he wants breathalyzers for children with asthma, so nothing this lunatic says surprises me.

I can't wait for McCain to win this election, than Obama can go and crawl into the spider hole he came from.

[vta]

well if the first thing palins side think is "is she talking about me". because obama said lipstick, then wouldn't it be fair to say when *she* said lipstick this comment could have crossed their own minds to hit bush with?

we misinterpret what we say in here all the time. expand that out and it's only logical it can happen elsewhere.

I'm sure she doesn't even care.
It's not about their feelings, it's about influence. All the insults hurtled at Bush over the last years have not done one stitch of harm to him. He has his objective and he;s moved forward with it.

The insults are designed to influence their base in a certain manner. Impel you to vote or protest against the other guy. It's about us, not them.

[iceberg]

I'm talking about her political positions, not the US magazine or the porn images. You'll note that those got little mileage afte the initial announcement. I want to see how she would plan to deal with the huge deficit, how she plans to deal with the contentious Social Security issue, and the ongoing problems with health care. Her personal life is not a political issue.

then she hasn't gotten a free ride cause she's just started this ride. i wanna see these things too but i won't preface it with predisposition.

[iceberg]

I'm sure she doesn't even care.
It's not about their feelings, it's about influence. All the insults hurtled at Bush over the last years have not done one stitch of harm to him. He has his objective and he;s moved forward with it.

The insults are designed to influence their base in a certain manner. Impel you to vote or protest against the other guy. It's about us, not them.

business as usual. scare people to your side, not win them over.

[Doomsday101]

She's the top of the ticket...no matter what McCain thinks. :D

Without her McCain would be dead and everyone knows it.

Damn, was that dead comment a reference to McCain's age?

:p:

Only you would come up with a statement like that. :laugh2: As for McCain I'm not worried about his age he knows allot more about how the world works both with allies and our enemies than Jr. Obama.

[bbgun]

If she were smart, she'd play this in a very cool, humorous way. Be gracious and forgiving, even if there's nothing to forgive. Sort of how Obama played the Bristol Palin situation.

[iceberg]

If she were smart, she'd play this in a very cool, humorous way. Be gracious and forgiving, even if there's nothing to forgive. Sort of how Obama played the Bristol Palin situation.

agreed. let them attack, personal or otherwise, intentioal or otherwise, and roll with it and stay above it. it takes some "surfing" to get there but i think people look up to that in the end.

[bbgun]

Barak now claims that he's being "swift boated." I guess it was only a matter of time.

[Doomsday101]

Barak now claims that he's being "swift boated." I guess it was only a matter of time.

He was not in Vietnam how can he be swift boated. Does he even know what a swift boat is? :laugh2:

[bbgun]

He was not in Vietnam how can he be swift boated. Does he even know what a swift boat is? :laugh2:

Swift boating has come to mean "telling the truth about Democrats."

[Rackat]

Swift boating has come to mean "telling the truth about Democrats."
*cleaning monitor*

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. :lmao2:

[Doomsday101]

Swift boating has come to mean "telling the truth about Democrats."

Ah, Gotcha. I'll mark it down in my catch phrase book for later use. :D

[WoodysGirl]

Actual quote

NORFOLK, Va. - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday accused Republican John McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

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Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign," Obama responded to the Republicans' charge that he was referring to Palin when he used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" at a campaign stop Tuesday.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics. Enough is enough," he said.

<snip>

"This whole thing about lipstick, nobody actually believes that these folks are offended," he said. "Oh, we're shocked. Everybody knows it's cynical, everybody knows it's insincere."

McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers responded, saying: "Barack Obama can't campaign with schoolyard insults and then try to claim outrage at the tone of the campaign. His talk of new politics is as empty as his campaign trail promises."



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_el_pr/obama_lipstick

[BigWillie]

1. you start off saying it's a lie and you end this thought with mccain did the same thing so what's the difference?

which is it? more of the same or a lie? you can't have both ways regardless of how liberal you may be.

and he wasn't bringing your family into this, he was referencing obama as 'your boy'. and if it's sickening and perverse, please tell me why the liberal side of the dems went after palins daughter. did you cry out in foul play then?

Again I have said (do I need to more slowly?) that I think Obama meant absolutely nothing towards Palin by it, but the entire RNC.

I am saying, for those of you who think he did direct this towards Palin, what would be the difference in Obama saying this and McCain saying it about HRC just a few months ago?

And Hillary hadn't just made a remark a week or so earlier about lipstick. That's the difference.

There's no way Obama didn't equate his lipstick comment with what Palin said.

It still has the same meaning. You're reaching, REALLY reaching to say there is no difference.

I mean, two people crack the same joke but for one it has a different meaning? Really? Really?

The punchline is the same and the meaning is the same. McCain thought HRC had ugly policies. Obama thinks McCain has ugly policies. Nothing more, nothing less.

You're boy Obama. The prophet. The savior of the universe. Not your children. Good grief. The guy that hangs with terrorists, felons, attends racist churches, hates the military. That is the clown I'm talking about. Not your children. No wonder you are a liberal. You are lost.

:lmao2:

1. you start off saying it's a lie and you end this thought with mccain did the same thing so what's the difference?

which is it? more of the same or a lie? you can't have both ways regardless of how liberal you may be.

and he wasn't bringing your family into this, he was referencing obama as 'your boy'. and if it's sickening and perverse, please tell me why the liberal side of the dems went after palins daughter. did you cry out in foul play then?

Obama was on TV and condemned anyone who brought family into this. He even did so again yesterday at this same rally when someone brought this up. And since Obama has brought this up, do you see anyone bringing family into this?

The thing is, just as Obama cannot control people like the Daily Kos, McCain cannot control people like Sean Hannity. Or do you think Obama is using Jedi mind tricks to control the bloggers of the world? The same ones who attempt to say he is connected to Muslim terrorists, Hugo Chavez, not a US citizen, Muslim in religion, the Anti- , etc.,?

[Bach]

Barack Hussein Obama wouldn't know a swift boat if it sailed into his community.

[Bach]

It still has the same meaning. You're reaching, REALLY reaching to say there is no difference.

I mean, two people crack the same joke but for one it has a different meaning? Really? Really?

The punchline is the same and the meaning is the same. McCain thought HRC had ugly policies. Obama thinks McCain has ugly policies. Nothing more, nothing less.



Timing is everything. Palin's lipstick comment had been all over the news the last week or so. To make a lipstick crack now - he'd have to know what he was doing.

[xout]

I love this. Absolutely love it.

Obviously Obama didn't mean this as a personal attack on Palin herself, but still, it definately shows his lack of judgement to say what he did, when he did.

I'm sure he'll still come out clean in the end. He always does.

[zrinkill]

The Race card a few months ago ..... now the Victim card.

His deck is gonna be empty by the time he loses this election.

[iceberg]

Again I have said (do I need to more slowly?)

sure. take 2 weeks and get back to me. i'll work on my apathy issue to you and we'll pick this up again around the 24th. sound good?

[BigWillie]

sure. take 2 weeks and get back to me. i'll work on my apathy issue to you and we'll pick this up again around the 24th. sound good?

You seemed to care enough to respond last night. Wonder what changed? Maybe the fact you have to answer the same question about McCain now? :rolleyes:

Heck, look at even what McCain's daughter has said ..

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/09/10/meghan-mccain-my-dad-says-lipstick-on-a-pig/

John McCain's daughter Meghan is not taking offense to Barack Obama's "lipstick on a pig" line like the rest of her father's campaign, pointing out Wednesday morning that GOP presidential nominee has been known to use the phrase.

"I've heard my dad say that, the term 'lipstick on a pig,'" McCain said during an appearance on Fox promoting her new children's book about her father.

Asked directly if she thought Obama was calling Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) a pig, McCain said, "I don't know. I hope not. I mean, I hope not, but I have no idea."

"I don't like anyone being referred to as a pig in any context," McCain added. "I think there's a lot more educated conversations we can have about the ticket than just saying these remarks like that."

During a campaign stop Tuesday, Obama attacked McCain and Palin for what he sees as a false portrayal of their records on reform.

"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," Obama said.

The McCain campaign has hit back hard over the comment putting out a new ad and issuing strong responses.

Responding to McCain, the Obama campaign sent out a reminder to reporters that McCain used the phrase in 2007 to describe Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) health care plan.

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Timing is everything. Palin's lipstick comment had been all over the news the last week or so. To make a lipstick crack now - he'd have to know what he was doing.

If he had said, "you can polish a turd .. " or "you can dress up a gorilla ..", it would be no different. They all have the same meaning. In the end, Obama would have still been referred to as sexist and the same complaints would be made.

Infact, do me a favor, call WCYB or WJHL (local TV stations) and get them to send the entire sequence for playback to the major news networks. I have DVR'd the thing and he directly mentions John McCain by name, mentions the 5 policies that are no different from Bush, then makes that statement.

It's like saying if I were to call you out by name, I really intend it for someone else. That's just silly and reaching at its finest.

[Danny White]

McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers responded, saying: "Barack Obama can't campaign with schoolyard insults and then try to claim outrage at the tone of the campaign. His talk of new politics is as empty as his campaign trail promises."

That's a pretty good quote, right there.

[iceberg]

You seemed to care enough to respond last night. Wonder what changed? Maybe the fact you have to answer the same question about McCain now? :rolleyes:


maybe cause you ran to "shall i go slower".

if you want an insult fest, IM me. if you wanna talk, talk.

you wanna combine the two, i'll just let it go and you go do that.

enjoy yourself. my position is clear. you're wrong. moving on now.

[Bach]

If he had said, "you can polish a turd .. " or "you can dress up a gorilla ..", it would be no different. They all have the same meaning. In the end, Obama would have still been referred to as sexist and the same complaints would be made.

Infact, do me a favor, call WCYB or WJHL (local TV stations) and get them to send the entire sequence for playback to the major news networks. I have DVR'd the thing and he directly mentions John McCain by name, mentions the 5 policies that are no different from Bush, then makes that statement.

It's like saying if I were to call you out by name, I really intend it for someone else. That's just silly and reaching at its finest.

Yeah, slick little trick he used.

[bbgun]

Ouch.

Lipstick on a Pig [Peter Kirsanow, NRO]

Geez, give the guy a break. So Obama can't tell the difference between pigs and pit bulls. So what? It's not like he can't distinguish between a domestic terrorist and some guy who lives in the neighborhood, a fetus and an infant born alive or the lunatic leader of a terrorist state and a reasonable statesman......

[REDVOLUTION]

Obama...

Well...

He's got a good heart but he's weak... and he's stupid.

And this is life and death.

[bbgun]

I'd hit it.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6420/piglipstickoq1.jpg

[iceberg]

I'd hit it.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6420/piglipstickoq1.jpg

i always wondered where she went. sometimes i miss her, then old pics surface and keep me from politics...

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

LOL @ this comment being such a big deal.

[gbrittain]

Obama cracks me up.

He is up in arms that the Repubs politicized the "lipstick" comment and is outraged that the repubs are making it an issue.

If I am not mistaken McCain made an obvious joke about middle class being those who have an income of $5 million.

It was a joke and everyone knows it, yet Obama uses that quote in his speech.

And I am supposed to take him serious when he says he is "different".

Same games, different politician.

[Bach]

I'd hit it.

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/6420/piglipstickoq1.jpg

you and bill clinton

[zrinkill]

Obama cracks me up.

He is up in arms that the Repubs politicized the "lipstick" comment and is outraged that the repubs are making it an issue.

If I am not mistaken McCain made an obvious joke about middle class being those who have an income of $5 million.

It was a joke and everyone knows it, yet Obama uses that quote in his speech.

:bow:

[theogt]

Apparently Palin's just the lipstick. :rolleyes:

http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/barack.obama.david.2.814491.html

[BigWillie]

maybe cause you ran to "shall i go slower".

if you want an insult fest, IM me. if you wanna talk, talk.

you wanna combine the two, i'll just let it go and you go do that.

enjoy yourself. my position is clear. you're wrong. moving on now.

Perhaps if you would read posts in their entirety rather than just a few words, you would not be at the brunt of any attack and your panties would not be 4 feet up your rear right now.

Just sayin' ..

Obama cracks me up.

He is up in arms that the Repubs politicized the "lipstick" comment and is outraged that the repubs are making it an issue.

If I am not mistaken McCain made an obvious joke about middle class being those who have an income of $5 million.

It was a joke and everyone knows it, yet Obama uses that quote in his speech.

And I am supposed to take him serious when he says he is "different".

Same games, different politician.


....



Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.

But children are off limits (Chelsea was 18 at the time IIRC). Obama is also the sexist and the hypocrite.

Riggggghhhhtttttt.

[iceberg]

Perhaps if you would read posts in their entirety rather than just a few words, you would not be at the brunt of any attack and your panties would not be 4 feet up your rear right now.

Just sayin' ...

well since you insist on being a peck, why bother going on ya know? my panties are fine, you just wanna stir stuff up and get antagonistic. as for lack of understanding, you're the one who took "your boy" to be a family insult and not a comment on "your boy obama". who's needing others to go slow? and so you know, yes i'll quit reading when you start off your 1st reply to me with "shall i go slower". hell, stop for all i care or win the indy-forum 500. i'm done watching.

have a day.

[Phrozen Phil]

well since you insist on being a peck, why bother going on ya know? my panties are fine, you just wanna stir stuff up and get antagonistic. as for lack of understanding, you're the one who took "your boy" to be a family insult and not a comment on "your boy obama". who's needing others to go slow? and so you know, yes i'll quit reading when you start off your 1st reply to me with "shall i go slower". hell, stop for all i care or win the indy-forum 500. i'm done watching.

have a day.

Bad visual.. :eek:

[trickblue]

Bad visual.. :eek:

http://drunkenbob.homestead.com/DaytonaParty/big_panties1.JPG

[iceberg]

http://drunkenbob.homestead.com/DaytonaParty/big_panties1.JPG

mine are far more thong like.

and furry. don't forget the fur.

[gbrittain]

Perhaps if you would read posts in their entirety rather than just a few words, you would not be at the brunt of any attack and your panties would not be 4 feet up your rear right now.

Just sayin' ..




....



But children are off limits (Chelsea was 18 at the time IIRC). Obama is also the sexist and the hypocrite.

Riggggghhhhtttttt.


Yes, Obama is a hypocrite and so is John McCain in the game of politics.

I am just pointing out that Obama is not who he says he is.

This whole political process would be much more satisfying if we would just all agree that both sides of the fence play the same games, then we could quit worrying about who accuses who of what and focus on who plans to do what.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

I guess this means monkey analogies are in play. Thanks for lowering the bar, Barak.

He actually wasn't referring to her when he said that, and even if he did "pig" is not a sexist term. You can call anyone a pig. However, calling a black person a monkey is very racist and disgusting. I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet.

[Hostile]

I've heard the "lipstick on a pig" phrase before. It isn't new. What concerns me is how both sides are handling his saying that phrase.

I don't think he should have said it. I think it will backfire. I think it shows that he may lack some judgment. Of course he meant it. Come on, he's not stupid. He was going for comic value of it because he was among his own supporters who heard her use the joke about a pit bull and a hockey Mom.

I don't think the other side should act offended by it. Big damn deal. If you shrug it off it will go over better.

JMO

[MilesAustinforMVP]

I've heard the "lipstick on a pig" phrase before. It isn't new. What concerns me is how both sides are handling his saying that phrase.

I don't think he should have said it. I think it will backfire. I think it shows that he may lack some judgment. Of course he meant it. Come on, he's not stupid. He was going for comic value of it because he was among his own supporters who heard her use the joke about a pit bull and a hockey Mom.

I don't think the other side should act offended by it. Big damn deal. If you shrug it off it will go over better.

JMO
I'm impressed that you can read people's minds, or at least Obama's.

If you listen to his entire quote he never mentioned Palin's name before or after that comment. It is a very common phrase as you said, I doubt he meant it that way.

[Sasquatch]

The dumbing down of American politics rears its ugly visage again.

This is why we need to open up the political system to third parties, so we can have substantive debate over major ideological and policy differences, instead of sophomoric discussions over alleged personal insults.

[Rackat]

The dumbing down of American politics rears its ugly visage again.

This is why we need to open up the political system to third parties, so we can have substantive debate over major ideological and policy differences, instead of sophomoric discussions over alleged personal insults.
Did you hear that? It was the sound of hell freezing over. I just agreed with Sassy. :eek:

[iceberg]

I'm impressed that you can read people's minds, or at least Obama's.

If you listen to his entire quote he never mentioned Palin's name before or after that comment. It is a very common phrase as you said, I doubt he meant it that way.

you're not being a mind reader to know saying something inflamatory will inflame people. you're using common sense. this one backfired for obama, that's all.

and while you want hos to read minds, how about reading his post. he never said obama said it was tied to palin, just that it was done poorly. you assumed what he meant thereby trying to read *his* mind.

[Bach]

I'm impressed that you can read people's minds, or at least Obama's.

If you listen to his entire quote he never mentioned Palin's name before or after that comment. It is a very common phrase as you said, I doubt he meant it that way.

I'm impressed you can read people's minds.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

you're not being a mind reader to know saying something inflamatory will inflame people. you're using common sense. this one backfired for obama, that's all.

and while you want hos to read minds, how about reading his post. he never said obama said it was tied to palin, just that it was done poorly. you assumed what he meant thereby trying to read *his* mind.

"Of course he meant it. Come on, he's not stupid. He was going for comic value of it because he was among his own supporters who heard her use the joke about a pit bull and a hockey Mom."

Reading is essential.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The dumbing down of American politics rears its ugly visage again.

This is why we need to open up the political system to third parties, so we can have substantive debate over major ideological and policy differences, instead of sophomoric discussions over alleged personal insults.

^^^THIS^^^

[Hostile]

I'm impressed that you can read people's minds, or at least Obama's.

If you listen to his entire quote he never mentioned Palin's name before or after that comment. It is a very common phrase as you said, I doubt he meant it that way.He didn't have to mention her name. It was a joke for the enjoyment of his supporters. I don't find anything wrong with that other than he surely had to know it was going to boomerang back.

Mind reading isn't necessary, common sense helps.

[Hostile]

The dumbing down of American politics rears its ugly visage again.

This is why we need to open up the political system to third parties, so we can have substantive debate over major ideological and policy differences, instead of sophomoric discussions over alleged personal insults.:bow:

Sir, yes sir.

[iceberg]

"Of course he meant it. Come on, he's not stupid. He was going for comic value of it because he was among his own supporters who heard her use the joke about a pit bull and a hockey Mom."

Reading is essential.

sure he meant it but about mccain = bush = mcsame. while i don't agree with that tactic that's what they took and that's what obama did. palin didn't have much to do with it other than she made a lipstick comment first.

i think right now we all agree and you're upset cause you feel some need to be. have fun.