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ThaBigP
09-12-2008, 12:39 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/kristol_the_washington_post_di.asp

Apparently the Washington Post has not heard of "Al Qaeda in Iraq", and in fact believes we are still at war against Iraq itself (that ended with the toppling of Sadaam).
burmafrd
09-12-2008, 05:52 AM
You expect intelligence and knowledge from the media?
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 06:16 AM
You are correct on this one.

The original article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews)'s only relevant quote from Palin regarding Iraq and 9/11 was "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."

She is obviously talking about Al Qaeda in Iraq
SuspectCorner
09-12-2008, 06:24 AM
The main issue with Iraq is the internal power struggle between Sunni and Shia.
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 06:33 AM
The main issue with Iraq is the internal power struggle between Sunni and Shia.

Yes, but because Saddam (Sunni) was overthrown, Al Qaeda (Shia) and Iran (Shia) now have a vested interest in destabilizing the region so they can expand into other Sunni countries.

But that has nothing to do with this quote.
ZB9
09-12-2008, 06:35 AM
Yes, but because Saddam (Sunni) was overthrown, Al Qaeda (Shia) and Iran (Shia) now have a vested interest in destabilizing the region so they can expand into other Sunni countries.



yes, Hussein's regime was Sunni...but the majority population in Iraq has been Shia.
SuspectCorner
09-12-2008, 06:59 AM
Shias have the political power under the current regime and the Iraqis as a whole are pretty much nationalists - they seem to have weighed the US against al Quaeda and decided to take their chances with Uncle Sugar. Now if they could just get along with each other.
ZB9
09-12-2008, 07:06 AM
Shias have the political power under the current regime and the Iraqis as a whole are pretty much nationalists - they seem to have weighed the US against al Quaeda and decided to take their chances with Uncle Sugar. Now if they could just get along with each other.

what happened with the Kurds? Are they going to have a significant piece of the government pie?

Joe Biden has stated he wants to divide the country up into 3 parts. Im not an expert, and he is obviously...but that seems like it could cause problems, especially when it comes to kind of power the US could assert. I thought one of the main purposes of going into Iraq was to establish a base in the middle of the region and install an allied government. It seems that dividing it up into 3 parts would make it more difficult to influence and/or monitor.
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 07:11 AM
Shias have the political power under the current regime and the Iraqis as a whole are pretty much nationalists - they seem to have weighed the US against al Quaeda and decided to take their chances with Uncle Sugar. Now if they could just get along with each other.

The unfortunate thing is al Qaeda is coming from outside of Iraq (Afganistan, Iran, and Syria ???). I think it has less to do with Iraqis getting along, but more with this constant flow of terrorists who want to sabbotage the US presence in the region.
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 07:13 AM
what happened with the Kurds? Are they going to have a significant piece of the government pie?

Joe Biden has stated he wants to divide the country up into 3 parts. Im not an expert, and he is obviously...but that seems like it could cause problems, especially when it comes to kind of power the US could assert. I thought one of the main purposes of going into Iraq was to establish a base in the middle of the region and install an allied government. It seems that dividing it up into 3 parts would make it more difficult to influence and/or monitor.

Kurds are in the north in the mountains. Out of all the region they are the safest now. Iraq isn't getting divided into 3 parts, noone wants to give up the oil to the others.
ZB9
09-12-2008, 07:19 AM
Kurds are in the north in the mountains.

how much power in the government are they going to have?

the Kurds had been the largest displaced group in the region. There were actually more Kurds than Palestinians (although I doubt there were nearly as many "Kurd sympathizers")

Out of all the region they are the safest now. Iraq isn't getting divided into 3 parts, noone wants to give up the oil to the others.

true that. I hope Joe Biden has changed his position in that regard
SuspectCorner
09-12-2008, 07:29 AM
what happened with the Kurds? Are they going to have a significant piece of the government pie?

Joe Biden has stated he wants to divide the country up into 3 parts. Im not an expert, and he is obviously...but that seems like it could cause problems, especially when it comes to kind of power the US could assert. I thought one of the main purposes of going into Iraq was to establish a base in the middle of the region and install an allied government. It seems that dividing it up into 3 parts would make it more difficult to influence and/or monitor.

Iraqis have vociferously put the kibosh on the Biden plan. They want a unified Iraq - sans the other two major factions (depending on which third you're speaking to - heck they wrangle WITHIN factions almost down to moustache bearing Sunnis vs. clean-shaven Sunnis). They make our l'il political forum look like a unified front. And that ain't easy. :D
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 07:30 AM
how much power in the government are they going to have?

Since 2005, the president of Iraq is Jalal Talabani and he is a Kurd. So they have influence to deal with issues. I do not know if Biden changed his mind, but initially alot of crazy ideas were thrown around on how best to fix Iraq...
ZB9
09-12-2008, 07:35 AM
Iraqis have vociferously put the kibosh on the Biden plan. They want a unified Iraq - sans the other two major factions (depending on which third you're speaking to - heck they wrangle WITHIN factions almost down to moustache bearing Sunnis vs. clean-shaven Sunnis).

very interesting dynamic to say the least

They make our l'il political forum look like a unified front. And that ain't easy. :D

lol true...but we are still all Americans!...and Cowboys fans!!! :eagles:

I watch even more sports during silly political season. It's a good, and necessary, diversion
SuspectCorner
09-12-2008, 07:38 AM
very interesting dynamic to say the least



lol true...but we are still all Americans!...and Cowboys fans!!! :eagles:

I watch even more sports during silly political season. It's a good, and necessary, diversion

You know - I might be exaggerating... just a tad.
ZB9
09-12-2008, 07:41 AM
You know - I might be exaggerating... just a tad.

only a tad?

my exaggeration meter is done broke[/sarcasm]
ZB9
09-12-2008, 07:42 AM
Since 2005, the president of Iraq is Jalal Talabani and he is a Kurd. So they have influence to deal with issues.

interesting

I do not know if Biden changed his mind, but initially alot of crazy ideas were thrown around on how best to fix Iraq...

crazy ideas indeed
Hypnotoad
09-12-2008, 07:46 AM
crazy ideas indeed

That was then, now all his ideas are wonderful, lovely, covered in chocolate, no carbs, and low fat. :cool:
SuspectCorner
09-12-2008, 07:59 AM
That was then, now all his ideas are wonderful, lovely, covered in chocolate, no carbs, and low fat. :cool:

Hey, at least Joe can correctly pronounce the word "nuclear".
vta
09-12-2008, 08:19 AM
Hey, at least Joe can correctly pronounce the word "nuclear".

Well that seals it for me. :)
burmafrd
09-12-2008, 09:30 AM
that is the problem with liberals.

Its all about how something appears or sounds- not about hard reality.
dacarmelking210
09-12-2008, 12:53 PM
I stopped reading this topic when someone said Al Qaeda is Shia.

I need to clarify some things for a few posters here:
1) The Al Qaeda in Iraq is NOT the real Al Qaeda; they're just a group of mercenaries who decided to take upon that name (they do not take orders from the REAL Al Qaeda's leaders).
2) Al Qaeda is SUNNI, not Shia, and they HATE Iran. They constantly threaten Iran because Iran helped the US topple the Taliban in Afghanistan, and because the Iranian government recognizes the current Iraqi "government." Al Qaeda members believe that any non-Salafi (Salafi = Fundamentalist Sunni/Wahhabi, who are centrally supported by the Saudi Arabian government) is going to hell, hence, they should be killed (they recently threatened/warned Iran's supreme leader, Khameini, for this very fact). Since Iran is 95% Shia (with the Sunni's being the Kurds in the north), the Sunni Insurgents (i.e. Iraq's "Al Qaeda") are not coming from Iran.
3) Highly doubt if any/many of the insurgants (who are sunni)are coming from Syria, since Syria is being run by a Shia minority and the Syrian government has taken upon many measures to erradicate Al Qaeda and other from their country. It has been proven OVER AND OVER again that the insurgants are coming from Saudi Arabia, but the Saudi government has done little to help.