Obama steps in it... again...with "computer illiterate" ad

[ThaBigP]

After making fun of McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send e-mail, it turns out he never learned....because he cannot use a keyboard (and one would presume a mouse) due to injuries.

From the Boston Globe, March 4, 2000

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

[ThaBigP]

sorry, here's a link:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTliMTNiZjg5ZDEwZWNiZDYwZWFjN2JlNjNjNjkxZmM=

There's a link in there to the original Globe article as well.

[zrinkill]

Change!!!

[bbgun]

d*e*s*p*e*r*a*t*e

[dbair1967]

yeah that Obama...he's a real genius...what intellect

57 states! change!

[VietCowboy]

After making fun of McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send e-mail, it turns out he never learned....because he cannot use a keyboard (and one would presume a mouse) due to injuries.

From the Boston Globe, March 4, 2000

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

but he can sign documents? isn't that weird that he can use a pen, which requires actually holding and manipulating an instrument over tapping on some keys. You only need one finger really. And with technology the way it is going, you can even use a stylus to type. how is that different from using a stylus to using a pen?

[zrinkill]

but he can sign documents? isn't that weird that he can use a pen, which requires actually holding and manipulating an instrument over tapping on some keys. You only need one finger really. And with technology the way it is going, you can even use a stylus to type. how is that different from using a stylus to using a pen?

Wow ..... you are a real piece of work.

[dbair1967]

but he can sign documents? isn't that weird that he can use a pen, which requires actually holding and manipulating an instrument over tapping on some keys. You only need one finger really. And with technology the way it is going, you can even use a stylus to type. how is that different from using a stylus to using a pen?

:rolleyes:

[bbgun]

I would guess that most elderly people are computer illiterate, but they sure as hell vote.

[VietCowboy]

Wow ..... you are a real piece of work.

So I can't question the almightly McCain at all regarding his problems?

[zrinkill]

So I can't question the almightly McCain at all regarding his problems?

You ever had your shoulder blades broke repeatedly from torture?

The weight of his arms would make it almost impossible to type for any extended period.

I never noticed it till I broke my collerbone a few years ago .... but please, keep mocking a Man who was brutally tortured for 5+ years.

[VietCowboy]

You ever had your shoulder blades broke repeatedly from torture?

The weight of his arms would make it almost impossible to type for any extended period.

I never noticed it till I broke my collerbone a few years ago .... but please, keep mocking a Man who was brutally tortured for 5+ years.

who says I was mocking him? I just question the fact that he says he can't type but can use a pen. No one is asking him to be on the computer 8 hours a day. In fact, most people agree that typing is generally faster than writing. The fact that he is saying he is learning to use e-mail and internet now undermines the fact that he says he can't type. That just means he's SLOW to start using modern technology, not that he can't type because of shoulder problems.

[ChldsPlay]

who says I was mocking him? I just question the fact that he says he can't type but can use a pen. No one is asking him to be on the computer 8 hours a day. In fact, most people agree that typing is generally faster than writing. The fact that he is saying he is learning to use e-mail and internet now undermines the fact that he says he can't type. That just means he's SLOW to start using modern technology, not that he can't type because of shoulder problems.

You don't necessarily have to type to send e-mail or use the internet.

[BigDFan5]

yeah that Obama...he's a real genius...what intellect

57 states! change!


1 more to go!!

[VietCowboy]

You don't necessarily have to type to send e-mail or use the internet.

but you do if you want to use your blackberry. he can punch numbers on a phone but not a keyboard? :confused:

Besides, he's saying he's learning to go online by himself now. Usually, that requires so clicking and typing.

It isn't like I don't think John McCain CAN'T use a keyboard, it is that hasn't learned to use it. Hey, more power to him if he's trying to learn, technology isn't exactly easy. I probably don't know all the features of my phone.

I just don't think he can use the excuse of shoulder problems to say he can't use a keyboard.

[masomenos]

From the article...

In a similar vein I guess it's an outrage that the blind governor of New York David Patterson doesn't know how to drive a car. After all, transportation issues are pretty important. How dare he serve as governor while being ignorant of what it's like to navigate New York's highways.

Owned.

[bbgun]

Ouch.

Re: Wondering no more [Mark Steyn]

Jonah, why didn't the Obama guys and the AP figure that out? It's extraordinary that someone who wants to be our president and our commander in chief knows how to send an e-mail ...but not how to do a five-minute Google search.

[adamc91115]

If the McCain campaign wanted to, they could destroy Obama on this.

Personally, I hope they do. But we'll see what happens.

[theogt]

http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/11.16.07%20Clinton%20vs.%20Obama/obama_2.jpg

O RLY?

http://punchup.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/john_mccain.jpg

YA RLY!

[bbgun]

It's such a bogus issue. Even if he did know how to use a computer, he'd do very little of it as President--not unlike driving your own car.

[masomenos]

http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/11.16.07%20Clinton%20vs.%20Obama/obama_2.jpg

O RLY?

http://punchup.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/john_mccain.jpg

YA RLY!

:lmao2:

I've always loved that picture of McCain. What's the story behind it?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I might have to take another sabbatical from the political zone if we have to go to this idiotic measures.

The man can sign documents. But he can not use email?

Ladies and gentlemen people who are paraplegics or quadriplegics can use computers and emails so please spare the he was a POW and he is too hurt to use a computer lines because it is pretty silly to use that as an excuse.

If the man wants to use a computer to send email or do google searches I am pretty darn sure he is more than physically capable to do so if he wants to. Be kind of scary to have a president that could not do a few mouse clicks or type a few words because essentially it would mean he could not do a whole host of other tasks that require using a few minutes of hand/arm action...like signing papers, using a signature stamp, holding and turning the pages of a book, saluting, waving to someone, shaking peoples hands just to name a few.

Come on guys...are you really buying he can not use a computer because of injuries when he can do other things and even paraplegics and quadriplegics can use computers with certain software or hardware?

Seriously?

I really hope the majority of America is not dumb enough to fall for it.

[Bob Sacamano]

you could be right, BP

but screw Obama regardless, it's time to announce strategy, not continue w/ the mudslinging

[vta]

Surfing the internet is pretty much not relevant to making life decisions, pertinent to global leadership. Some how, previous Presidents managed without it. Go figure.

If they want to attack his proposed policies, trying to appeal to a childish base is just... base.

What President has time to goof off on the internet anyway? Would anyone feel relative to the man because of this?

[VietCowboy]

McCain can do it, it is just very painful to do it. Hey, I don't fault him for that. I just don't believe the statement that he CAN'T do it while he's punching in the numbers to Bush's private line on his Blackberry. He still has to push A button to do voice-calling or answering the phone.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If the man does not want to do it because he is just not a computer friendly person, does not feel the need for it or something along the lines...I have no problems with that.

But to act like he can not because of war injuries...give me a break when he can do other things and as I have stated there is software and hardware for people with disabilities to use computers.

[Dallas]

d*e*s*p*e*r*a*t*e


Exactly.

DESPERATE. Well said AGAIN BB!!

[Dallas]

If the man does not want to do it because he is just not a computer friendly person, does not feel the need for it or something along the lines...I have no problems with that.

But to act like he can not because of war injuries...give me a break when he can do other things and as I have stated there is software and hardware for people with disabilities to use computers.

Again you know everything regarding this situation.

SHAZZAMMM

[bbgun]

I'd be much more worried if he didn't know what email or Google is. Otherwise, this is just a lifestyle choice. I'm 41 and have never owned a cell phone, but I like to think I'm on top of things regardless.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Again you know everything regarding this situation.

SHAZZAMMM

Not my fault some have trouble using logic.

You work in computes...please tell me you have NEVER heard of voice recognition software for computers. Please tell me you have NEVER heard of software or hardware for paraplegics or quadriplegics or people with other disabilities to use computers. Can you sit there and say they do not have those things...I mean you could but you would be wrong or have to lie because they have had them for a good deal of time in the computer age.

So tell me...please tell me you honestly believe that McCain can not use a computer if he wanted to do so? Go ahead.

Not really rocket science here...seriously.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'd be much more worried if he didn't know what email or Google is. Otherwise, this is just a lifestyle choice. I'm 41 and have never owned a cell phone, but I like to think I'm on top of things regardless.

Yeah...I don't mind that aspect of it. If it just does not interest him, if he just is not good with computers or comfortable with computers I have no problem what so ever with that aspect.

I am ONLY talking about the assertion by some that he can not use a computer because of war injuries.

For the record...I hate cell phones and had one for about two weeks before I got rid of it...it was a choice to get rid of it.

Choice.

[Dallas]

Not my fault some have trouble using logic.

You work in computes...please tell me you have NEVER heard of voice recognition software for computers. Please tell me you have NEVER heard of software or hardware for paraplegics or quadriplegics or people with other disabilities to use computers. Can you sit there and say they do not have those things...I man you could but you would be wrong or have to lie because they have had them for a good deal of time in the computer age.

So tell me...please tell me you honestly believe that McCain can not use a computer if he wanted to do so? Go ahead.

Not really rocket science here...seriously.

Lets not get into knowledge of computers now, shall we? :D

I dont think anyone said he COULDNT use a computer, but that it was painful for him to do so.

You keep spinning your McCain hate and Pro Obama stance. Its all good.

[VietCowboy]

Lets not get into knowledge of computers now, shall we? :D

I dont think anyone said he COULDNT use a computer, but that it was painful for him to do so.

You keep spinning your McCain hate and Pro Obama stance. Its all good.

The boston globe said his injuries PREVENTS him from being able to type on a keyboard, which is an exaggeration if I say so myself.

[Dallas]

The boston globe said his injuries PREVENTS him from being able to type on a keyboard, which is an exaggeration if I say so myself.


Im sure he could use his nose. :p:

Kinda like you appear to do w/ your keyboard here, or are you using toes?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Lets not get into knowledge of computers now, shall we? :D

I dont think anyone said he COULDNT use a computer, but that it was painful for him to do so.

You keep spinning your McCain hate and Pro Obama stance. Its all good.

I have a serious and non sarcastic question.

Do you read through these threads or posts or did you just miss this?

From the original post in this thread...



After making fun of McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send e-mail, it turns out he never learned....because he cannot use a keyboard (and one would presume a mouse) due to injuries.

From the Boston Globe, March 4, 2000

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes. Friends marvel at McCain's encyclopedic knowledge of sports. He's an avid fan - Ted Williams is his hero - but he can't raise his arm above his shoulder to throw a baseball.

[theogt]

The boston globe said his injuries PREVENTS him from being able to type on a keyboard, which is an exaggeration if I say so myself.Good. As long as we have your opinion on the matter of his disability, the matter's settled.

[VietCowboy]

Good. As long as we have your opinion on the matter of his disability, the matter's settled.

who cares if facts form the basis of my opinion.

[Dallas]

I have a serious and non sarcastic question.

Do you read through these threads or posts or did you just miss this?

From the original post in this thread...


I have a serious answer. I never believed he COULDNT use a keyboard. I am full aware that is painful for him to do so. Who really cares? Look at yourself here bro seriously. You see this man walking around shaking hands and you are really debating that he couldnt physically use a keyboard?

Ummmm...

So he doesnt bother using the computer maybe?

Who cares. Look at you nannies all up in a tizzy over McCain not using a computer because its painful for him to type and use a mouse.

SO WHAT. Thats my freakin point! HELLO!!!

[Dallas]

who cares if facts form the basis of my opinion.


Me thinks you missed the sarcasm. ;)

[VietCowboy]

I have a serious answer. I never believed he COULDNT use a keyboard. I am full aware that is painful for him to do so. Who really cares? Look at yourself here bro seriously. You see this man walking around shaking hands and you are really debating that he couldnt physically use a keyboard?

Ummmm...

So he doesnt bother using the computer maybe?

Who cares. Look at you nannies all up in a tizzy over McCain not using a computer because its painful for him to type and use a mouse.

SO WHAT. Thats my freakin point! HELLO!!!

he does use the computer. Says he reads politico sometimes and his daughter's blog. He reads some blogs. He's only just starting to do that on his own. That's great.

[theogt]

who cares if facts form the basis of my opinion.Really? Facts? Looks like you're just forming an opinion based on nothing, which is contrary to what's reported in a news article.

[Dallas]

he does use the computer. Says he reads politico sometimes and his daughter's blog. He reads some blogs. He's only just starting to do that on his own. That's great.

Who cares though? Your boy Obama is the one running the ad that he CANT use a computer.

Go pester that guy about it.

[VietCowboy]

Really? Facts? Looks like you're just forming an opinion based on nothing, which is contrary to what's reported in a news article.

so you think that he can use a blackberry, and himself saying he can type as nothing? Sure okay.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have a serious answer. I never believed he COULDNT use a keyboard. I am full aware that is painful for him to do so. Who really cares? Look at yourself here bro seriously. You see this man walking around shaking hands and you are really debating that he couldnt physically use a keyboard?

Ummmm...

So he doesnt bother using the computer maybe?

Who cares. Look at you nannies all up in a tizzy over McCain not using a computer because its painful for him to type and use a mouse.

SO WHAT. Thats my freakin point! HELLO!!!

First off you said...nobody said he COULDNT use a computer. I was just pointing out that the original post did say that.

Secondly again and again I say...there is software and hardware that lets quadriplegics, paraplegics and other people with disabilities to use computers by various methods. So say if it was excruciatingly painful (not making fun here) to use a keyboard or mouse on the computer for him....I am pretty sure that he has the ability to get a computer set up that he could use with minimal hands on time.

Furthermore you again seem to have problems with reading.

I don't care if he does or does not use a computer...whether it is because he is not a computer friendly type of person, whether because it is painful for him or just because he has no interest at all in it. I have no problem if he ever uses a computer.

My only....ONLY point was, he could use one if he wanted to and not to use the POW injuries as an excuse as to why he can not.

Please read what I type sometimes...it would save us both a great deal of time.

[bbgun]

Let's take up a collection and send him to Devry.

[theogt]

Who cares though? Your boy Obama is the one running the ad that he CANT use a computer.

Go pester that guy about it.WHOOPS!

[VietCowboy]

Who cares though? Your boy Obama is the one running the ad that he CANT use a computer.

Go pester that guy about it.

because McCain said to Politico he can't use a computer. Obama's only running what he said. go beef it up with McCain then, since it's proven time and again he's not a paragon of truthfulness and might I even use the L-word?

[ThaBigP]

but he can sign documents? isn't that weird that he can use a pen, which requires actually holding and manipulating an instrument over tapping on some keys. You only need one finger really. And with technology the way it is going, you can even use a stylus to type. how is that different from using a stylus to using a pen?

The only thing I can think of is that with many certain types of injuries, it affects your ability to manipulate fingers for doing things like typing, etc. However, gripping a pen and moving the whole hand (as you do while writing) can still be performed. I've known people with ulnar nerve injuries that caused that. I even crushed my ulnar nerve myself one night, but it recovered after about a year, and wasn't too bad.

[Dallas]

Furthermore you again seem to have problems with reading.

I don't care if he does or does not use a computer...whether it is because he is not a computer friendly type of person, whether because it is painful for him or just because he has no interest at all in it. I have no problem if he ever uses a computer.

My only....ONLY point was, he could use one if he wanted to and not to use the POW injuries as an excuse as to why he can not.

Please read what I type sometimes...it would save us both a great deal of time.


How on earth can you sit there and type this crap about his war injuries? You haven't a blasted clue how this man feels day to day, but leave it to you to make assumptions and gernalizations.


Just because you served in the military gives you NO GROUND to make these assumptions. Were you even wounded in Korea? Hmm? Got any scars from battle to make yourself such an expert?

So the man says his wounds make it painful for him to be Mr. Computer Technician.

He said he doesn't use a computer because of his war wounds and how painful it is. Could that not be true? It appears you want to call him a liar just because you know there are these aids to help.

Maybe he doesnt need or want these aids? Maybe he is just a prideful old man and just refuses such devices? My grandfather was and he certianly wouldn't use some helping hands ever to do anything.

Maybe McCain just allows his staff to handle these things? My dad can't use a computer to save his life. That doesn't keep him from running half of the Prudhoe Bay oilfield. He doesn't have a war wound 1.

At least McCain has a reason why he isn't Mr. HelpDesk. Allow him that courtesy is all I am saying.

Is it really any skin off you if he says it hurts to use the keys and mouse?

[Dallas]

because McCain said to Politico he can't use a computer. Obama's only running what he said. go beef it up with McCain then, since it's proven time and again he's not a paragon of truthfulness and might I even use the L-word?


Listen to yourself. You are defending Obama running an ad about McCain not being Mr. HelpDesk.

You are serious?

If McCain and Palin ever ran an ad like this regarding Obama, I would hide my head in the sand. I would be so slapping myself in my own head.

DOH!

Nevermind that though. Let's just hash over McCain saying his war wounds make it hurt for him to use a computer. That is FARRRR better news.

:cool: I hope you get what im saying here.

[trickblue]

So I can't question the almightly McCain at all regarding his problems?

The more important question is asking why Obama won't release all of his records...

[bbgun]

# of emails Bill Clinton sent as POTUS? Two.

[VietCowboy]

Listen to yourself. You are defending Obama running an ad about McCain not being Mr. HelpDesk.

You are serious?

If McCain and Palin ever ran an ad like this regarding Obama, I would hide my head in the sand. I would be so slapping myself in my own head.

DOH!

Nevermind that though. Let's just hash over McCain saying his war wounds make it hurt for him to use a computer. That is FARRRR better news.

:cool: I hope you get what im saying here.

McCain's ran several unsavory ad. So much so that Planned Parenthood and pretty much ALL news source have called him out for it (FactCheck.org even released a statement that he twisted their words). Even his supporters are saying he's in a bubble that he wouldn't be doing these ads (i.e the Paris/celebrity, sex ed, using FactCheck to say Obama's campaign is spreading lies about Palin) if he knew.

[trickblue]

but you do if you want to use your blackberry. he can punch numbers on a phone but not a keyboard? :confused:

Besides, he's saying he's learning to go online by himself now. Usually, that requires so clicking and typing.

It isn't like I don't think John McCain CAN'T use a keyboard, it is that hasn't learned to use it. Hey, more power to him if he's trying to learn, technology isn't exactly easy. I probably don't know all the features of my phone.

I just don't think he can use the excuse of shoulder problems to say he can't use a keyboard.

Seriously... most here know I am not voting McCain...

What makes Obama worthy?

[Dallas]

Seriously... most here know I am not voting McCain...

What makes Obama worthy?


Ooo this should be fun.

:popcorn:

[VietCowboy]

Seriously... most here know I am not voting McCain...

What makes Obama worthy?

Who says Obama's worthy? The biggest reason I'm voting democrat is what's gonna happen to the Supreme Court these next 4 years. I'm an Independent Liberal. If 2-3 of the SC Justices (who are considered liberal) were not old as hell, I may have considered McCain (not Palin, I don't like her). McCain's said he's gonna put people up there who will overturn Roe V. Wade, etc. With how the SC is, that's a huge possibility if McCain's gonna put up possibly 2 more conservatives.

[Danny White]

Here's the ad in question:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/still_ad/

[bbgun]

They keep recycling the golf cart clip. They used it in the "seven homes" ad, too. Conclusion: He's an out of touch elitist who's too lazy to walk!!

[dbair1967]

McCain's said he's gonna put people up there who will overturn Roe V. Wade, etc. With how the SC is, that's a huge possibility if McCain's gonna put up possibly 2 more conservatives.

good...we need more stable thinking people in there

and Roe v wade needs to be overturned...even the namesake that started it all thinks it should

[trickblue]

Who says Obama's worthy? The biggest reason I'm voting democrat is what's gonna happen to the Supreme Court these next 4 years. I'm an Independent Liberal. If 2-3 of the SC Justices (who are considered liberal) were not old as hell, I may have considered McCain (not Palin, I don't like her). McCain's said he's gonna put people up there who will overturn Roe V. Wade, etc. With how the SC is, that's a huge possibility if McCain's gonna put up possibly 2 more conservatives.

He NEVER said that...

What he's said is that he thinks it's a states right issue... he's very much on record in that respect...

So you have a problem with SC justices that vote according to the constitution?

[Danny White]

He NEVER said that...

What he's said is that he thinks it's a states right issue... he's very much on record in that respect...

So you have a problem with SC justices that vote according to the constitution?

She's afraid he would make Whoopi Goldberg be his slave. :laugh2:



http://www.breitbart.tv/html/173183.html



Two things about that clip, by the way. I don't understand why McCain says he "Understands her point" since her point is inaccurate and non-sensical.

And I don't understand why Barbara Walters isn't called out for saying "us white folk will take care of you." Talk about condescending.

[trickblue]

She's afraid he would make Whoopi Goldberg be his slave. :laugh2:



http://www.breitbart.tv/html/173183.html

VC is a good lady...she just has been taken in by the Kos crowd...

[peplaw06]

Who says Obama's worthy? The biggest reason I'm voting democrat is what's gonna happen to the Supreme Court these next 4 years. I'm an Independent Liberal. If 2-3 of the SC Justices (who are considered liberal) were not old as hell, I may have considered McCain (not Palin, I don't like her). McCain's said he's gonna put people up there who will overturn Roe V. Wade, etc. With how the SC is, that's a huge possibility if McCain's gonna put up possibly 2 more conservatives.There's no way he could possibly guarantee that.

[Danny White]

There's no way he could possibly guarantee that.

I wish. :cool:

[trickblue]

Who says Obama's worthy?

Me... NOT.. for what it's worth...

I could expound, but I have some Community Organizing to get done...

It's taxing you know... oh... and presidential I hear...

trickblue in 12... (I'm damn sure better than Hillary or Obama)...

[VietCowboy]

He NEVER said that...

What he's said is that he thinks it's a states right issue... he's very much on record in that respect...

So you have a problem with SC justices that vote according to the constitution?

The Constitution can be interpreted in a lot of ways as we have seen. I don't agree with McCain's view of who should be on the SC, and other federal judges; which are conservatives views. Obama would appoint those who would uphold civil rights, privacy, and other social issues (http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/nation/ny-usmcca075676363may07,0,386053.story)

McCain's not going to put anyone up who thinks Roe v Wade is a correct interpretation of the right to privacy under the due process clause.

[VietCowboy]

There's no way he could possibly guarantee that.

true, but he'll put people up there who are conservatives and he's backed two SC Justices that pro-lifers love.

I'd rather not play with fire. I don't mind a moderate SC, but an extremely conservative one is not my cup of tea.

[trickblue]

true, but he'll put people up there who are conservatives and he's backed two SC Justices that pro-lifers love.

I'd rather not play with fire. I don't mind a moderate SC, but an extremely conservative one is not my cup of tea.

Again... why won't Obama release all of his records...

[BrAinPaiNt]

How on earth can you sit there and type this crap about his war injuries? You haven't a blasted clue how this man feels day to day, but leave it to you to make assumptions and gernalizations.


Just because you served in the military gives you NO GROUND to make these assumptions. Were you even wounded in Korea? Hmm? Got any scars from battle to make yourself such an expert?

So the man says his wounds make it painful for him to be Mr. Computer Technician.

He said he doesn't use a computer because of his war wounds and how painful it is. Could that not be true? It appears you want to call him a liar just because you know there are these aids to help.

Maybe he doesnt need or want these aids? Maybe he is just a prideful old man and just refuses such devices? My grandfather was and he certianly wouldn't use some helping hands ever to do anything.

Maybe McCain just allows his staff to handle these things? My dad can't use a computer to save his life. That doesn't keep him from running half of the Prudhoe Bay oilfield. He doesn't have a war wound 1.

At least McCain has a reason why he isn't Mr. HelpDesk. Allow him that courtesy is all I am saying.

Is it really any skin off you if he says it hurts to use the keys and mouse?

Are you being serious or silly here I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt and say your silly but you sure do sound serious.

This mock outrage is really funny.

I don't care if the man never physically touches a computer...he can still use a computer if he wants to and his injuries would not prevent it.

Honestly, why is that so hard for you to comprehend. I know you are not ignorant in computers and that is why I said prior that you KNOW computers.

So please for the love of whatever you find high in your heart tell me you are just being silly.

If the man wants to use a computer he can and his war injuries would not stop him.

Can you sit there and honestly come to the conclusion that if someone is paralyzed from the neck down and can use a computer that John McCain can not...can you really do that? Serious?

And once again, I wish you would actually read my full comments, I have already said time and time again that if it is just because he does not want to use a computer...I have no problem with it. Why is it so hard for you to understand? Seriously? Or are you just being silly?

Furthermore...please show me any time I have said that just because i was in the military I am comparing myself to him...can you just point that out for me please or is this just further hyperbole to get away from what i really typed?

[peplaw06]

The Constitution can be interpreted in a lot of ways as we have seen. I don't agree with McCain's view of who should be on the SC, and other federal judges; which are conservatives views. Obama would appoint those who would uphold civil rights, privacy, and other social issues (http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/nation/ny-usmcca075676363may07,0,386053.story)

McCain's not going to put anyone up who thinks Roe v Wade is a correct interpretation of the right to privacy under the due process clause.I don't know anyone with any intellectual integrity who thinks that the due process clause guarantees the right to murder.

[Rack Bauer]

yeah that Obama...he's a real genius...what intellect

57 states! change!

1 more to go!!

:lmao2:

I really hope the majority of America is not dumb enough to fall for it.

Well, if one person is dumb enough it would be Obama. After all, he is the moron that thinks there's 58 states (at least) in the US.

[BrAinPaiNt]

He NEVER said that...

What he's said is that he thinks it's a states right issue... he's very much on record in that respect...

So you have a problem with SC justices that vote according to the constitution?

He never said what? I am probably missing something here.

1999 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Trbaufpok8

2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQU0TF18ZfI

[VietCowboy]

I don't know anyone with any intellectual integrity who thinks that the due process clause guarantees the right to murder.

we've already argued about this. It's not murder to me until the fetus is viable, which is what the roe v. wade's about.

also, I would bet you're wrong about intellectual integrity considering the overwhelming majority of those who hold PhD's and higher ed and post-bac degrees are not conservatives and agree with roe v. wade.

[trickblue]

He never said what? I am probably missing something here.

1999 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Trbaufpok8

2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQU0TF18ZfI

States rights... am I missing something here...

[trickblue]

Again... why won't Obama release all of his records...

bump...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Again... why won't Obama release all of his records...

Why won't McCain and his Wife release all their tax records?

Why would hillary not release her records?


Why would the republicans not release those emails they were using when they should not have been using them?

Why would the admin tell former members not to submit to hearings in front on congress after being subpoenaed?

Why would a bush appointee refuse to answer some questions in front of congress giving the reason that AQ might be watching?

Why did Kerry's wife want to refuse to give up her tax records?

Because they are politicians and like the idea of getting any info on anyone else but themsleves....kind of par for the course in washington...esp with the two party system but i have not doubt other parties probably do the same.

[BrAinPaiNt]

States rights... am I missing something here...

He never said states rights or he never said he would like to see roe vs wade repealed? So if he he wants to repeal it to go to states rights, it still is him saying he wants to repeal it...which I thought was what she was saying that he wanted to overturn it.

Still confused here...but I am tired.:o:

[BrAinPaiNt]

:lmao2:



Well, if one person is dumb enough it would be Obama. After all, he is the moron that thinks there's 58 states (at least) in the US.

You quote someone saying 57 states and then say he is a moron that thinks there's 58 states. :laugh2:

[Rack Bauer]

You quote someone saying 57 states and then say he is a moron that thinks there's 58 states. :laugh2:

Yeah, and?


Did you not here his quote? He said "I've been to 57 states... with 1 more to go".


You do know what 57+1 is, right?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, and?


Did you not here his quote? He said "I've been to 57 states... with 1 more to go".


You do know what 57+1 is, right?

:laugh2: yeah...:laugh2:

[trickblue]

Why won't McCain and his Wife release all their tax records?

Why would hillary not release her records?


Why would the republicans not release those emails they were using when they should not have been using them?

Why would the admin tell former members not to submit to hearings in front on congress after being subpoenaed?

Why would a bush appointee refuse to answer some questions in front of congress giving the reason that AQ might be watching?

Why did Kerry's wife want to refuse to give up her tax records?

Because they are politicians and like the idea of getting any info on anyone else but themsleves....kind of par for the course in washington...esp with the two party system but i have not doubt other parties probably do the same.

I want ALL records released...

ALL RECORDS...

Lets get it all out in the open...

[Rack Bauer]

:laugh2: yeah...:laugh2:

Apologize, damn you!

[BrAinPaiNt]

I want ALL records released...

ALL RECORDS...

Lets get it all out in the open...

Agreed...however I doubt many will feel the need to want that unless it is a specific party releasing records.

Let's let it ALL out. Lets get those "missing" emails. Let's get those people in front of congress to testify and quit hiding behind executive privilege. Lets get McCain and his Wifes full tax records.

Lets get all of Obama's records, Lets get all of Hillary's records.

I would LOVE...LOVE transparency in the government. But you know as well as I that it will not happen and it is not exclusive to Obama.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Apologize, damn you!

I Apologize damn me.:laugh2:

That work for you?

[Rack Bauer]

I Apologize damn me.:laugh2:

That work for you?


No, it's not.


Kiss a fat man's big toe (not mine) and do the happy squirrel dance, then we'll be even.

[trickblue]

He never said states rights or he never said he would like to see roe vs wade repealed? So if he he wants to repeal it to go to states rights, it still is him saying he wants to repeal it...which I thought was what she was saying that he wanted to overturn it.

Still confused here...but I am tired.:o:

I have never been more confused...

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, it's not.


Kiss a fat man's big toe (not mine) and do the happy squirrel dance, then we'll be even.

I kiss no mans toe. I think you have seen Beerfest too many times. I am not getting paid to touch my toes and touch my...well if you seen it you know what I mean.

Now the happy squirrel dance might be something fun.

[trickblue]

Agreed...however I doubt many will feel the need to want that unless it is a specific party releasing records.

Let's let it ALL out. Lets get those "missing" emails. Let's get those people in front of congress to testify and quit hiding behind executive privilege. Lets get McCain and his Wifes full tax records.

Lets get all of Obama's records, Lets get all of Hillary's records.

I would LOVE...LOVE transparency in the government. But you know as well as I that it will not happen and it is not exclusive to Obama.

I agree... let's get it ALL out...

I am sick and tired if partisan crapola... ya hack... ;)

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have never been more confused...

Makes two of us.

She said he wanted to repeal or over turn roe vs wade.

You said he never said it.

I took it you mean he never said he wanted to repeal or overturn roe vs wade.

I provided video of him saying it.

You said you were talking about states rights.

From my understanding if we repealed Roe Vs Wade then it would turn back to states rights and individual states to determine if abortion is or is not legal.

However it would not change the idea that he has said he wanted to repeal roe vs wade.

Now were you saying he never said that about something else? That is what I am trying to pinpoint and am confused about.

Did you mean...

No he never said he wanted to repeal roe vs wade?

Did you mean...

He has only said he wanted it to be states rights?

Did you mean...

No he has never said he wanted to appoint judges that would over turn it?

Just trying to figure out what exact phrase or words you are saying that he never said when you quoted her post.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree... let's get it ALL out...

I am sick and tired if partisan crapola... ya hack... ;)

At least I am not a tree hugging gun nut like Hos.:laugh2:

[VietCowboy]

I agree... let's get it ALL out...

I am sick and tired if partisan crapola... ya hack... ;)

so....do these politicians who release ALL their records have to worry about identity theft? I've asked this about Sarah palin before with mockery ensuing, but I really want to know.

[BrAinPaiNt]

so....do these politicians who release ALL their records have to worry about identity theft? I've asked this about Sarah palin before with mockery ensuing, but I really want to know.

I believe those that get to see it normally have to sign a privacy statement and if the forms are made completely public...like say published on a public website...they would just black out certain information like SS# and such...or I should say they SHOULD do that.

However i could be wrong on that.

[trickblue]

so....do these politicians who release ALL their records have to worry about identity theft? I've asked this about Sarah palin before with mockery ensuing, but I really want to know.

I say release them all...

What say you...

[ScipioCowboy]

who cares if facts form the basis of my opinion.

Okay.

I'm game.

What are the "facts" of John McCain's particular condition, and what is it about those facts that have led you to your conclusion?

[VietCowboy]

Okay.

I'm game.

What are the "facts" of John McCain's particular condition, and what is it about those facts that have led you to your conclusion?

my opinion: John McCain CAN type on a keyboard; contrary to what the Boston Globe has stated.

my "facts"
- he uses a Blackberry - assuming it requires punching in keys not unlike punching in keys to a keyboard

- he is starting to get on the internet and use a computer on his own a little more

- he says he can type, it is just very laborious and painful, so that is why he usually dictates to his wife or whoever

therefore, I think he CAN type on a keyboard, which is my argument.

[ScipioCowboy]

my opinion: John McCain CAN type on a keyboard; contrary to what the Boston Globe has stated.

my "facts"
- he uses a Blackberry - assuming it requires punching in keys not unlike punching in keys to a keyboard

- he is starting to get on the internet and use a computer on his own a little more

- he says he can type, it is just very laborious and painful, so that is why he usually dictates to his wife or whoever

therefore, I think he CAN type on a keyboard, which is my argument.

So what "facts" do you have concerning John McCain's condition and his specific limitations?

I'm exceedingly curious.

[VietCowboy]

So what "facts" do you have concerning John McCain's condition and his specific limitations?

I'm exceedingly curious.

In what regards, Charlie?

[ScipioCowboy]

In what regards, Charlie?

Very clever.;)

But to answer your question: in regards to any medical knowledge concerning his conditions or his limitations.

[VietCowboy]

Very clever.;)

But to answer your question: in regards to any medical knowledge concerning his conditions or his limitations.

But I have no medical knowledge concerning his conditions or his limitations.

I just use readings from multiple sources, and came to a conclusion. I just find it odd that he could write, use a Blackberry, and learning to use the internet by himself and yet some claim he cannot type on a keyboard. Those are my facts for why I think he is able to type on a keyboard.

John McCain himself has said he can type, albeit very limited and painfully.

John McCain has said he doesn't know how to use the computer, but he's also said he is learning to do it by himself. That's fine with me. I have no qualms about that.

I just objected when Boston Globe and other sources have said he can't type on a keyboard, but I think he can.

[trickblue]

In what regards, Charlie?

First... I realize the intent...

twelve.. don't EVER talk about racism....

L... I love your ref to the war...

[trickblue]

so....do these politicians who release ALL their records have to worry about identity theft? I've asked this about Sarah palin before with mockery ensuing, but I really want to know.

Are you concerned about Barack Obama in this sense? Joe Biden?

I think they should all do it...

[VietCowboy]

First... I realize the intent...

twelve.. don't EVER talk about racism....

L... I love your ref to the war...

:confused: I'm really bad at this.

[VietCowboy]

Are you concerned about Barack Obama in this sense? Joe Biden?

I think they should all do it...

I'm fine with them releasing all their info, just interested to know if there are people who might try to prey on it or if there's some sort of measure in place to ensure they're protected (and if so, what?)

[Viper]

But I have no medical knowledge concerning his conditions or his limitations.

I just use readings from multiple sources, and came to a conclusion. I just find it odd that he could write, use a Blackberry, and learning to use the internet by himself and yet some claim he cannot type on a keyboard. Those are my facts for why I think he is able to type on a keyboard.

John McCain himself has said he can type, albeit very limited and painfully.

John McCain has said he doesn't know how to use the computer, but he's also said he is learning to do it by himself. That's fine with me. I have no qualms about that.

I just objected when Boston Globe and other sources have said he can't type on a keyboard, but I think he can.

You don't think there is a difference between holding a Blackberry and typing on a keyboard? One you can hold close to your body, adjusting it to work with any problems you may have the other sits on a desktop. It could be that he can type on a keyboard, but he may be limited in the amount of time he can actually work. When you live with this type of pain day in and day out, small tasks do become difficult.

[VietCowboy]

You don't think there is a difference between holding a Blackberry and typing on a keyboard? One you can hold close to your body, adjusting it to work with any problems you may have the other sits on a desktop. It could be that he can type on a keyboard, but he may be limited in the amount of time he can actually work. When you live with this type of pain day in and day out, small tasks do become difficult.

they also have keyboards on screen you can use a stylus for typing (PDA's; smartphone). A stylus is not far off from a pen. So, typing on a keyboard is not just the traditional keyboards. I have zero disagreements with being limited and small tasks becoming difficult. I just have disagreement that he can't type.

[trickblue]

I'm fine with them releasing all their info, just interested to know if there are people who might try to prey on it or if there's some sort of measure in place to ensure they're protected (and if so, what?)

So why is it good for some... and not good or others...

I'm pretty trustworthy... (actually more than any of our presidential candidates). give me your SS... :D

[trickblue]

:confused: I'm really bad at this.

That part was a facetious joke... I guess I failed here...

Now... back to common sense... :D

[Signals]

In what regards, Charlie?:blind: :shades: :grin2:

[heavyg]

Who cares if he can use a computer. I wonder if JFK could use one? I know they didn't have personal computers then but thats sort of my point. Using a computer is not a requirement to be president. I want to see both sides start talking about the issues or at least things that could affect their being president.

[Tennione72]

Let's take up a collection and send him to Devry.

:laugh2:

[COWBOYSNUM1]

yeah that Obama...he's a real genius...what intellect

57 states! change!
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here or not, but there are 57 Islamic States. It may be a coincidence that he said that he had visited 57 States when there is not 57 US States, but there are 57 Islamic States, but then again maybe not. :huh:

It may be a coincidence that he said "My Muslim Faith", but then again maybe not. :huh:

[VietCowboy]

Who cares if he can use a computer. I wonder if JFK could use one? I know they didn't have personal computers then but thats sort of my point. Using a computer is not a requirement to be president. I want to see both sides start talking about the issues or at least things that could affect their being president.

we also didn't have cars and planes in the early days of the presidencies and they got along just fine then. Why is it essential now for a president to be able to travel by something other than a horse-drawn carriage?

[VietCowboy]

So why is it good for some... and not good or others...

I'm pretty trustworthy... (actually more than any of our presidential candidates). give me your SS... :D

it's good for all to release info.

If and when I'm running for office, you'll be the first to know.

[Brandon]

Obama supporters are like a used condom, worthless.

[heavyg]

we also didn't have cars and planes in the early days of the presidencies and they got along just fine then. Why is it essential now for a president to be able to travel by something other than a horse-drawn carriage?

Bottom line is its not...But traveling across country or across the sea isn't the same thing as someone not being able to sit down in front of a computer and IM someone or use google. I thin the Obama camp is grasping at straws and using any and every smear trick they can think of......

Yeah Obama the candidate for change :lmao2:

[VietCowboy]

Bottom line is its not...But traveling across country or across the sea isn't the same thing as someone not being able to sit down in front of a computer and IM someone or use google. I thin the Obama camp is grasping at straws and using any and every smear trick they can think of......

Yeah Obama the candidate for change :lmao2:

Oh, is that all we use the computer for? IM'ing and Googling?

[Yeagermeister]

Oh, is that all we use the computer for? IM'ing and Googling?

Trick and Brain use it to find midget clown pron :lmao:

[heavyg]

Oh, is that all we use the computer for? IM'ing and Googling?

Of course not....But you get my point.....At least I would hope so... :rolleyes:

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here or not, but there are 57 Islamic States. It may be a coincidence that he said that he had visited 57 States when there is not 57 US States, but there are 57 Islamic States, but then again maybe not. :huh:

It may be a coincidence that he said "My Muslim Faith", but then again maybe not. :huh:

Even if he was a muslim, why would it matter?

And here I thought that people only voted based on the issues :rolleyes: .

[ThaBigP]

Who says Obama's worthy? The biggest reason I'm voting democrat is what's gonna happen to the Supreme Court these next 4 years. I'm an Independent Liberal. If 2-3 of the SC Justices (who are considered liberal) were not old as hell, I may have considered McCain (not Palin, I don't like her). McCain's said he's gonna put people up there who will overturn Roe V. Wade, etc. With how the SC is, that's a huge possibility if McCain's gonna put up possibly 2 more conservatives.

You do realize, don't you, that *if* Roe v Wade is overturned, abortion is not suddenly made illegal, right? All it does is allow each of the 57+1 states to make their own law. That means the people in those states get to have their will expressed. I'd imagine places like CA and MA (at the very least) would not ever introduce bans.

[Brandon]

Even if he was a muslim, why would it matter?

And here I thought that people only voted based on the issues :rolleyes: .

I agree with you, religion isn't an issue, but the average American thinks all Muslims are terrorists so what do you expect? The bad thing about Obama was that he CHANGED his religion, even though himself, you, me and my mother know that Obama is still a Muslim, still practices those beliefs and is just a "Christian" for the media.

[heavyg]

I agree with you, religion isn't an issue, but the average American thinks all Muslims are terrorists so what do you expect? The bad thing about Obama was that he CHANGED his religion, even though himself, you, me and my mother know that Obama is still a Muslim, still practices those beliefs and is just a "Christian" for the media.

Thats what worries me. Why would he change for the media? I will admit I do not know alot about the Muslim religion but what I do know worries the you know what out of me. Especially if our next president may be a practicing Muslim. Considering we are at war with the extreme Muslim Terrorists.

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree with you, religion isn't an issue, but the average American thinks all Muslims are terrorists so what do you expect? The bad thing about Obama was that he CHANGED his religion, even though himself, you, me and my mother know that Obama is still a Muslim, still practices those beliefs and is just a "Christian" for the media.

For the most powerful and affluent country in the world, I would expect more.

I frankly think the argument "It's not about him being a muslim it is about him not admitting it" is a complete freaking joke and a cover to just mask other prejudices.

Americans are not voting for a Muslim anything...period end of subject.

[heavyg]

For the most powerful and affluent country in the world, I would expect more.

I frankly think the argument "It's not about him being a muslim it is about him not admitting it" is a complete freaking joke and a cover to just mask other prejudices.

Americans are not voting for a Muslim anything...period end of subject.

I agree it reeks of prejudice. But from where I stand most Muslim Nations have not really stood up to dispel the thought that all Muslims are terrorists. They seem to ride the fence a bit.

[Brandon]

Thats what worries me. Why would he change for the media? I will admit I do not know alot about the Muslim religion but what I do know worries the you know what out of me. Especially if our next president may be a practicing Muslim. Considering we are at war with the extreme Muslim Terrorists.

Muslims have the same principles as Christians pretty much. The only difference is that they believe the prophet Mohammad is the chosen one. They also believe in , but is viewed as a prophet, while Christians believe he is the son of God.

Muslim extremists are delusional beings, every Muslim hates extremists, they don't follow the same rules the regular Muslim follows. I know many Muslims who come from Iraq and they hate the extremists for that they have done to their religion and their country.

Now, I don't think anyone believes Barack Obama is a Muslim extremist but the fact that he changed his religion to be accepted worries me as well.

[Maikeru-sama]

Thats what worries me. Why would he change for the media? I will admit I do not know alot about the Muslim religion but what I do know worries the you know what out of me. Especially if our next president may be a practicing Muslim. Considering we are at war with the extreme Muslim Terrorists.

That's absurd!

So does that mean that we shouldn't have Christian Presidents when we go to war with Christian nations?

[heavyg]

That's absurd!

So does that mean that we shouldn't have Christian Presidents when we go to war with Christian nations?

We are a Christian nation

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree it reeks of prejudice. But from where I stand most Muslim Nations have not really stood up to dispel the thought that all Muslims are terrorists. They seem to ride the fence a bit.

The problem is you are actually comparing Barack Obama to Iran in a way, and that is pretty extreme.

Barack Obama's ideas and this whole "change" business is pretty fishy in itself, but people really should just come out and say, "I won't vote for the guy because I think he is a Muslim".

Seriously, I would have a very negative view of that person but I would respect their honesty.

[heavyg]

Muslims have the same principles as Christians pretty much. The only difference is that they believe the prophet Mohammad is the chosen one. They also believe in , but is viewed as a prophet, while Christians believe he is the son of God.

Muslim extremists are delusional beings, every Muslim hates extremists, they don't follow the same rules the regular Muslim follows. I know many Muslims who come from Iraq and they hate the extremists for that they have done to their religion and their country.

Now, I don't think anyone believes Barack Obama is a Muslim extremist but the fact that he changed his religion to be accepted worries me as well.


Alot more about Obama worries me other than him being a Muslim or not. Like his connection with Ayers and other radicals. He doesn't deny it and says it doesnt matter because it was a long time ago. Bottom line his whole platform of "change" is hog wash. He is no different than any other politician out there.

[heavyg]

The problem is you are actually comparing Barack Obama to Iran in a way, and that is pretty extreme.

Barack Obama's ideas and this whole "change" business is pretty fishy in itself, but people really should just come out and say, "I won't vote for the guy because I think he is a Muslim".

Seriously, I would have a very negative view of that person but I would respect their honesty.

I wont vote for him because I don't agree with his social issues. I don't believe for one second my taxes will be lower if he is elected. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.....I wish Colin Powel or Condi Rice were running. Either one of them would have my vote. I am not going to say I am bipartison because that would be a lie. But I wouldn't be againts voting for a Democratic candidate if they held the same social values I have.

[peplaw06]

we also didn't have cars and planes in the early days of the presidencies and they got along just fine then. Why is it essential now for a president to be able to travel by something other than a horse-drawn carriage?Does he president have to know how to fly Air Force One? Or can he possibly have someone do that for him?

So is it essential that the president be able to type on a Keyboard pain-free for more than a few minutes or not?

[COWBOYSNUM1]

The problem is you are actually comparing Barack Obama to Iran in a way, and that is pretty extreme.

Barack Obama's ideas and this whole "change" business is pretty fishy in itself, but people really should just come out and say, "I won't vote for the guy because I think he is a Muslim".

Seriously, I would have a very negative view of that person but I would respect their honesty.
I'm not voting against Obama because I think he's a Muslim.

I'm not voting against Obama because he's African American.

The 2 biggest reasons I'm voting against him are:

1. I don't agree with him on the issues.
2. I don't think that he's prepared to be President.

I don't believe that all Muslims are EXTREME or TERRORISTS. But, I do agree with heavyg when he said. "I agree it reeks of prejudice. But from where I stand most Muslim Nations have not really stood up to dispel the thought that all Muslims are terrorists. They seem to ride the fence a bit."

[VietCowboy]

Does he president have to know how to fly Air Force One? Or can he possibly have someone do that for him?

So is it essential that the president be able to type on a Keyboard pain-free for more than a few minutes or not?

who says it was essential? I've never argued that. My argument is that some sources says he can't type and I say he can. I could care less whether or not he uses the computer. Many people don't know how to drive, I've never owned an ipod. In fact, we as humans can get by with a lot less. Just food, shelter, maybe clothes. and obviously reproduce.

As for internet technology, yes, he can get other people to access it for him, but there could be times he wants to limit aide's access to highly confidential information, be able to seek information, and manipulate different computer components without always having someone to do it for him. Knowing how to use a computer allows for a president to be a little more self-sufficient, he can change his own password to his email accounts without having someone else do it for him, for example.

For many jobs, especially "desk" jobs, basic computer literacy is crucial. So, the ad is trying to show just how out of touch McCain is that he can't even use a computer? That he's so rich and insulated that he has other people do it for him?

[heavyg]

For many jobs, especially "desk" jobs, basic computer literacy is crucial. So, the ad is trying to show just how out of touch McCain is that he can't even use a computer? That he's so rich and insulated that he has other people do it for him?

My argument is that ALL politicians are that way. Not that they dont know how to use a computer but that they are so rich they just have other people do things for them

[VietCowboy]

My argument is that ALL politicians are that way. Not that they dont know how to use a computer but that they are so rich they just have other people do things for them

I agree. That's why Palin's so appealing, I think, is that she does seem to do a lot of things herself.

[heavyg]

I agree. That's why Palin's so appealing, I think, is that she does seem to do a lot of things herself.

I truely believe Palin will be our 1st female president. When I first heard about her as the VP choice I was like who the heck is she. The more I read and hear about her I really like the choice.

It will be Palin vs Clinton in 2012...lol

[heavyg]

I agree. That's why Palin's so appealing, I think, is that she does seem to do a lot of things herself.

I truely believe Palin will be our 1st female president. When I first heard about her as the VP choice I was like who the heck is she. The more I read and hear about her I really like the choice.

It will be Palin vs Clinton in 2012...lol

[MrMom]

Dallas got spanked.

[peplaw06]

who says it was essential? I've never argued that. My argument is that some sources says he can't type and I say he can. I could care less whether or not he uses the computer. Many people don't know how to drive, I've never owned an ipod. In fact, we as humans can get by with a lot less. Just food, shelter, maybe clothes. and obviously reproduce.Someone pointed out that it's not essential to use the computer to be president, because they didn't have computers back in the day. Your analogy was that it's essential to drive or fly the president to certain locales even though they didn't have those in the past, but used horse-drawn carriages. It's true, but the president didn't drive a horse-drawn carriage, and he doesn't drive or fly himself. So it's not unreasonable to expect him to still be able to do work on the internet even if he can't do it all himself.

Why does it matter to you if he can or can't type? He can have it done for him. And how do you know how much he can type? Do you feel the pain he has when he does it?

As for internet technology, yes, he can get other people to access it for him, but there could be times he wants to limit aide's access to highly confidential information, be able to seek information, and manipulate different computer components without always having someone to do it for him. Knowing how to use a computer allows for a president to be a little more self-sufficient, he can change his own password to his email accounts without having someone else do it for him, for example.

Wow. I guess I better vote for Obama because he can change his own email passwords.

For many jobs, especially "desk" jobs, basic computer literacy is crucial. So, the ad is trying to show just how out of touch McCain is that he can't even use a computer? That he's so rich and insulated that he has other people do it for him?
The jab was not at his rich or insulated lifestyle.... it's computer illiteracy, the Obama camp is trying to dehumanize him, since 80% of the country knows how to use a computer at least a little bit. No one's thinking it's a jab at him because it's rich. IMO it's a jab at his age. Most rich people know how to use computers too. Many people over 70 refuse to use computers, and even more don't know how to use them.

[VietCowboy]

Someone pointed out that it's not essential to use the computer to be president, because they didn't have computers back in the day. Your analogy was that it's essential to drive or fly the president to certain locales even though they didn't have those in the past, but used horse-drawn carriages. It's true, but the president didn't drive a horse-drawn carriage, and he doesn't drive or fly himself. So it's not unreasonable to expect him to still be able to do work on the internet even if he can't do it all himself.

my analogy has to do with making use of technology as they come up. Why shouldn't a president be using the most up-to-date technology? He's learnt how to use a Blackberry but is just starting to use a computer? To make it simplier, why learn how to use a stove? Why learn how to use a phone? We can build a bonfire and meet live. Sure he can have other people do things for him. He can have others punch in the numbers on a phone and hold it up to his ear. He can have others cook for him. The point of using the most up-to-date technology is that it is more convenient that those in the past; and often times, knowing how to do it oneself is for self-reliance.


Why does it matter to you if he can or can't type? He can have it done for him. And how do you know how much he can type? Do you feel the pain he has when he does it?

I already said it does not matter if he can or can't. What I tried to dispute were he sources saying he can't.


Wow. I guess I better vote for Obama because he can change his own email passwords.

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obviously you know Obama knows how to change his own email passwords? What else can you tell us about Obama?

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The jab was not at his rich or insulated lifestyle.... it's computer illiteracy, the Obama camp is trying to dehumanize him, since 80% of the country knows how to use a computer at least a little bit. No one's thinking it's a jab at him because it's rich. IMO it's a jab at his age. Most rich people know how to use computers too. Many people over 70 refuse to use computers, and even more don't know how to use them.

It's his age, wealth, and insulated lifestyle that has him "divorced" from everyday people and their lives and knows little about the economy. Whether or not that is true, I could care less, but that's what part of the ad was portraying.

[peplaw06]

my analogy has to do with making use of technology as they come up. Why shouldn't a president be using the most up-to-date technology? He's learnt how to use a Blackberry but is just starting to use a computer? To make it simplier, why learn how to use a stove? Why learn how to use a phone? We can build a bonfire and meet live. Sure he can have other people do things for him. He can have others punch in the numbers on a phone and hold it up to his ear. He can have others cook for him. The point of using the most up-to-date technology is that it is more convenient that those in the past; and often times, knowing how to do it oneself is for self-reliance. Good. He can use the most up-to-date technology. Glad we agree.

I already said it does not matter if he can or can't. What I tried to dispute were he sources saying he can't. Ok, so your beef is with the Obama ad... good to know.

obviously you know Obama knows how to change his own email passwords? What else can you tell us about Obama?Guess that one went over your head...


It's his age, wealth, and insulated lifestyle that has him "divorced" from everyday people and their lives and knows little about the economy. Whether or not that is true, I could care less, but that's what part of the ad was portraying.Obviously Obama also has wealth... guess that means he has an insulated lifestyle. What's the difference here? hmmm.

[VietCowboy]

Good. He can use the most up-to-date technology. Glad we agree.

Ok, so your beef is with the Obama ad... good to know.

Guess that one went over your head...

Obviously Obama also has wealth... guess that means he has an insulated lifestyle. What's the difference here? hmmm.

hey, McCain doesn't think anyone who owns less than 5M is "rich" and according to some things, not taking into consideration Obama's book royalties, he's got less than 5M. Also, someone's who's rich can be insulated or not, and someone who's insulated can be rich or not. They are not mutually exclusive nor are they totally encompassing one or the other.

So, the ad which says he's old (age : 72), rich (makes more than 5M), and insulated (has others use the computer for him).

My beef is with the sources saying he can't type on a keyboard, not that he can't use a computer. McCain himself said he can't use a computer, although I would disagree with him since it is obvious he can do it in a very limited capacity. The Obama ad is only capitalizing on what he says.

[heavyg]

hey, McCain doesn't think anyone who owns less than 5M is "rich" and according to some things, not taking into consideration Obama's book royalties, he's got less than 5M. Also, someone's who's rich can be insulated or not, and someone who's insulated can be rich or not. They are not mutually exclusive nor are they totally encompassing one or the other.



Did McCain use the 5m mark somewhere other than Saddleback where he was pressed to throw out an ammount? I knew when he said that his words would be twisted. He says he will lower taxes for everyone

[peplaw06]

hey, McCain doesn't think anyone who owns less than 5M is "rich" and according to some things, not taking into consideration Obama's book royalties, he's got less than 5M. Also, someone's who's rich can be insulated or not, and someone who's insulated can be rich or not. They are not mutually exclusive nor are they totally encompassing one or the other.

So, the ad which says he's old (age : 72), rich (makes more than 5M), and insulated (has others use the computer for him).Do you think Obama has others do everyday things for him?

My beef is with the sources saying he can't type on a keyboard, not that he can't use a computer. McCain himself said he can't use a computer, although I would disagree with him since it is obvious he can do it in a very limited capacity. The Obama ad is only capitalizing on what he says.Is this like saying Roy can't cover?

[VietCowboy]

Do you think Obama has others do everyday things for him?

Is this like saying Roy can't cover?

Yeah, I think Obama has others do everyday things for him.

yep, if Roy were to say he can't cover, why shouldn't others use it? He said it.

[ScipioCowboy]

Yeah, I think Obama has others do everyday things for him.

yep, if Roy were to say he can't cover, why shouldn't others use it? He said it.

It might aid your understanding if you made a distinction between the literal words of the ad and the implication of the ad. In politics, implication is everything; the most powerful aspect of any political commercial is what it doesn't say.

[VietCowboy]

It might aid your understanding if you made a distinction between the literal words of the ad and the implication of the ad. In politics, implication is everything; the most powerful aspect of any political commercial is what it doesn't say.

implication is everything in these elections, I agree. Twisting of facts as well.

Palin said she's been to Iraq, turns out she was just at the border. If that's the case, I've been to China because I crossed the 0KM line at the Vietnam-China border (literally, I wasn't suppose to but how was I suppose to see the 0KM line and the tiny rock to the side that said it). Palin says she's been to Ireland, so I've also been to Germany, S. Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan since I've had layovers there on my trips to VN.

[bbgun]

This is the dumbest, phoniest, contrived, non-issue in the campaign. What's next? He can't work the coffee machine?

[ScipioCowboy]

implication is everything in these elections, I agree. Twisting of facts as well.

Palin said she's been to Iraq, turns out she was just at the border. If that's the case, I've been to China because I crossed the 0KM line at the Vietnam-China border (literally, I wasn't suppose to but how was I suppose to see the 0KM line and the tiny rock to the side that said it)

One small problem here: There's nothing fundamentally untrue concerning Palin's statement.

It's quite different to implicate that John McCain is unqualified for the presidency because he can't use a computer when, in fact, his war injury prevents him from using a computer.

[VietCowboy]

One small problem here: There's nothing fundamentally untrue concerning Palin's statement.

It's quite different to implicate that John McCain is unqualified for the presidency because he can't use a computer when, in fact, his war injury prevents him from using a computer.

what's not untrue about having said you've been to Iraq when the most is you're at the border? She never crossed into Iraq, not like I crossed in China. She's told everyone she's been to Iraq and Ireland, implying she's got more foreign experience than she does.

[ScipioCowboy]

what's not untrue about having said you've been to Iraq when the most is you're at the border? She never crossed into Iraq, not like I crossed in China. She's told everyone she's been to Iraq and Ireland, implying she's got more foreign experience than she does.

She's been to the border; therefore, she's been to Iraq. There's nothing fundamentally untrue about the statement. She never said, "I went to Iraq embedded with the troops and dodged sniper firer while rescuing babies from an orphanage."

You can criticize her for a lack of specificity, but you certainly can't call her a liar.

Once again, it seems you're charging at windmills and strawmen.

[VietCowboy]

She's been to the border; therefore, she's been to Iraq. There's nothing fundamentally untrue about the statement. She never said, "I went to Iraq embedded with the troops and dodged sniper firer while rescuing babies from an orphanage."

You can criticize her for a lack of specificity, but you certainly can't call her a liar.

Once again, it seems you're charging at windmills and strawmen.

So a lot of Mexican's have been to the US because they've been to the border?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/


During that trip she was said to have visited a "military outpost" inside Iraq. The campaign has since repeated that Palin's foreign travel included an excursion into the Iraq battle zone.



But she did not venture into Iraq, Osborn said. "You have to have permission to go into a lot of areas, and [the crossing] is where her permissions were," he said.

Khabari Alawazem Crossing, where she was at, is the first of 3 checkpoints a couple miles from the Iraq border

[ScipioCowboy]

So a lot of Mexican's have been to the US because they've been to the border?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/

If they choose to believe so. I certainly wouldn't call them liars or question the veracity of their statement.

Let's say Sally asks Jack where he went, and Jack replies "I drove to my friend's house to pick him up." Later, Sally learns that Jack's friend was waiting outside on the curb in front of the house. Jack never even had to leave his car. Is Jack lying because he never actually set foot on his friend's property?

Of course not.


During that trip she was said to have visited a "military outpost" inside Iraq. The campaign has since repeated that Palin's foreign travel included an excursion into the Iraq battle zone.

But she did not venture into Iraq, Osborn said. "You have to have permission to go into a lot of areas, and [the crossing] is where her permissions were," he said.

Khabari Alawazem Crossing, where she was at, is the first of 3 checkpoints a couple miles from the Iraq borderYou've either overlooked or ignored the fact that it was Palin's camp who corrected these misconceptions and clarified the precise extent of her visit.

Asked to clarify where she traveled in Iraq, Palin's spokeswoman, Maria Comella, confirmed that "She visited a military outpost on the other side of the Kuwait-Iraq border."

She also very specific in her interview on ABC.

In her interview with ABC News Thursday night, Palin did not mention Iraq in describing the visit, saying only that she went to Kuwait and Germany to meet with US forces.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/

Once again, on this particular issue, Palin has not perpetuated anything that is fundamentally untrue.

[VietCowboy]

If they choose to believe so. I certainly wouldn't call them liars or question the veracity of their statement.

Let's say Sally asks Jack where he went, and Jack replies "I drove to my friend's house to pick him up." Later, Sally learns that Jack's friend was waiting outside on the curb in front of the house. Jack never even had to leave his car. Is Jack lying because he never actually set foot on his friend's property?

Of course not.




You've either overlooked or ignored the fact that it was Palin's camp who corrected these misconceptions and clarified the precise extent of her visit.



http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/

Once again, on this particular issue, Palin has not perpetuated anything that is fundamentally untrue.

It is fundamentally untrue since they've amended their position on her visit to Iraq. She says she was in Iraq, and now she says she was never in Iraq. According to your analogy, the friend would have said "I drove to my friend's house and went in" and later when Sally found out Jack never went in, that makes it fundamentally untrue, even if he drove to his friend's house.

If you said that you had $100 dollars, but then later said that that you really only had $50, doesn't that make your original statement a false statement?

[peplaw06]

Yeah, I think Obama has others do everyday things for him. Then he's insulated?

yep, if Roy were to say he can't cover, why shouldn't others use it? He said it.I think it's pretty obvious that McCain was being at least a little facetious.

I can't play golf.

I actually do play golf, but I'm not any good. So can I play golf, or not?

[peplaw06]

It is fundamentally untrue since they've amended their position on her visit to Iraq. She says she was in Iraq, and now she says she was never in Iraq. According to your analogy, the friend would have said "I drove to my friend's house and went in" and later when Sally found out Jack never went in, that makes it fundamentally untrue, even if he drove to his friend's house.

If you said that you had $100 dollars, but then later said that that you really only had $50, doesn't that make your original statement a false statement?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kuwait and Iraq are deserted terrains, no??

Someone who's never been in either of the places could easily get confused, not knowing exactly where the border is. It's not like the border is gonna have neon signs saying, "Now entering the desert oasis of Iraq!!!"

And methinks you have problems with analogies.

[ScipioCowboy]

It is fundamentally untrue since they've amended their position on her visit to Iraq. She says she was in Iraq, and now she says she was never in Iraq. According to your analogy, the friend would have said "I drove to my friend's house and went in" and later when Sally found out Jack never went in, that makes it fundamentally untrue, even if he drove to his friend's house.

Actually, according to the article, Palin never said she was in Iraq.

You need to reread the wording of the article very carefully.

Following her selection last month as John McCain's running mate, aides said Palin had traveled to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait, and Iraq to meet with members of the Alaska National Guard. During that trip she was said to have visited a "military outpost" inside Iraq. Campaign aids and other sources perpetuated these misconceptions, and the Palin camp, including Palin herself, clarified and corrected the extent of her trip very quickly. This is the entire point of the article you provided.

This analogy is far more appropriate: Sally was told by Jack's friend, Bob, that Jack had gone into the house; however, upon overhearing this exchange, Jack quickly corrected Bob's error by telling Sally that he had only been to the house.

[VietCowboy]

Then he's insulated?

I think it's pretty obvious that McCain was being at least a little facetious.

I can't play golf.

I actually do play golf, but I'm not any good. So can I play golf, or not?

Well, Obama didn't grow up rich. He had student loans, worked with the unemployed and poor, and I think while he is insulated to a certain extent, he's got first-hand experience working with the average American. Things weren't handed to him.

You really can't say the same for McCain who went to prep school, legacied at US Naval Academy. I would say, McCain's got first-hand experience and knows military, soldiers, and Veterans. So, I would say McCain's not insulated to them, and Obama is.

[VietCowboy]

Actually, according to the article, Palin never said she was in Iraq.

You need to reread the wording of the article very carefully.

Campaign aids and other sources perpetuated these misconceptions, and the Palin camp, including Palin herself, clarified and corrected the extent of her trip very quickly. This is the entire point of the article you provided.

This analogy is far more appropriate: Sally was told by Jack's friend, Bob, that Jack had gone into the house; however, upon overhearing this exchange, Jack quickly corrected Bob's error by telling Sally that he had only been to the house.

okay I'll give you that. Palin's aides lied.

[ScipioCowboy]

okay I'll give you that. Palin's aides lied.

Lying is a matter of intent, not content.

Given how quickly the misconceptions were clarified, I seriously doubt anyone intended to deceive anymore than Obama intended to call Palin a pig.

[VietCowboy]

Lying is a matter of intent, not content.

Given how quickly the misconceptions were clarified, I seriously doubt anyone intended to deceive anymore than Obama intended to call Palin a pig.

Obama never came out and said "Palin is a pig" but Palin's aide's did come out and say she's been IN Iraq and visited military outpost on the Iraq side of the Kuwait-Iraq border. I'm not saying the entire campaign lied, just that one person, who requested anonymity when telling it to the AP. They've had to revise their story on this twice, that's pretty telling. Why couldn't they have corrected it the first time?

[peplaw06]

Well, Obama didn't grow up rich. He had student loans, worked with the unemployed and poor, and I think while he is insulated to a certain extent, he's got first-hand experience working with the average American. Things weren't handed to him.How in the world do you know that? Gotta link to something? He lived most of his childhood in Hawaii. My guess is that his family didn't have problems putting food on the table.

You really can't say the same for McCain who went to prep school, legacied at US Naval Academy. I would say, McCain's got first-hand experience and knows military, soldiers, and Veterans. So, I would say McCain's not insulated to them, and Obama is.He was a POW for like four years fer cryin out loud. Sounds like a cushy thing to go through to me.

[peplaw06]

Obama never came out and said "Palin is a pig" but Palin's aide's did come out and say she's been IN Iraq and visited military outpost on the Iraq side of the Kuwait-Iraq border. I'm not saying the entire campaign lied, just that one person, who requested anonymity when telling it to the AP. They've had to revise their story on this twice, that's pretty telling. Why couldn't they have corrected it the first time?Still searching for the "gotcha" moment. The media's trying so hard, and you're tryin to give their stories more legs than they have.

It's like the boy who cried wolf. One of these days, if you ever do find the "gotcha" piece of information, no one's going to listen because they've been turned off by all the feigned outrage over all of this insignificant rubbish.

[Bob Sacamano]

She's been to the border; therefore, she's been to Iraq. There's nothing fundamentally untrue about the statement. She never said, "I went to Iraq embedded with the troops and dodged sniper firer while rescuing babies from an orphanage. parachuting out of a helicopter"

fixed:D

[VietCowboy]

How in the world do you know that? Gotta link to something? He lived most of his childhood in Hawaii. My guess is that his family didn't have problems putting food on the table.

He was a POW for like four years fer cryin out loud. Sounds like a cushy thing to go through to me.

No, I doubt his family had problems putting food on the table, nor do I know if he lied about his mom having been on food stamp. But the prep school he went to also gave him a scholarship:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12414.html

He came out of Harvard with loans, and worked some while in college/law school. Who knows if his family could have afforded it without the scholarship. But, I wouldn't say he was "rich", not according to McCain's definition of what who is rich anyway. Not being rich does not equal being poor.

[ScipioCowboy]

Obama never came out and said "Palin is a pig" but Palin's aide's did come out and say she's been IN Iraq and visited military outpost on the Iraq side of the Kuwait-Iraq border. I'm not saying the entire campaign lied, just that one person, who requested anonymity when telling it to the AP. They've had to revise their story on this twice, that's pretty telling. Why couldn't they have corrected it the first time?

The article clearly states that the Palin camp clarified two separate parts of the initial story.

One part dealt with Iraq, which we've already addressed, and the second part involved the purpose of her trip to Ireland.

According to the article, aides initially said "Palin had traveled to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait, and Iraq to meet with members of the Alaska National Guard." Shortly thereafter, the Palin camp added "that Palin made only a refueling stop in Ireland."

Once again, there's nothing untrue with initial statement. She really did travel to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait, and Iraq, and she really did meet with Alaska National Guard members.

There's absolutely nothing amiss here. She's merely expounding upon an earlier claim.

[Danny White]

Looks like Joe Biden is condemning his own campaign's ad.

Now that's a maverick! :laugh2:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Biden_criticizes_Obama_ad_hitting_McCain_as_techno logically_inept.html?showall