Matt Millen finally fired

[Displaced Cowboy]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601458/Millen-out-as-Lions-president,-GM

Long overdue.

He rivals Isiah as worst sports exec in history.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Fox New (Jay Glazer) reporting live on FoxSports News that Millen has been fired.

[REDVOLUTION]

Jerry makes call to replacement and "learns him something" about how to make deal. ;)

[juck]

Roy Williams say hello to having a star on ur helmet.lol.

[juck]

Roy Williams-its only a matter of time now,u will get ur star on ur helmet.:star:

[Sam I Am]

Anything think Jerry will try and pry the new GMs hands off Roy Williams within 2 days of him/her taking office? :laugh2:

[CATCH17]

Wow I didnt think they would do it.

Those guys need to just tear that sucker apart and rebuild.

Also trade Roy Williams to Dallas for our #1.

This next year is not really a good year to draft a QB either. Poor guys.

[kevwun]

I didn't know it was possible.

[superpunk]

And thus ended the streak of years where you could make cheap jokes about the Lions taking a WR with their first pick.

RIP Matt Millen, GM.

[DaBoys4Life]

Wow I didnt think they would do it.

Those guys need to just tear that sucker apart and rebuild.

Also trade Roy Williams to Dallas for our #1.

This next year is not really a good year to draft a QB either. Poor guys.

They got the dude from MSU Staton i think his name is and I think they picked up a QB this year also.

[bootyhunta]

I hope he returns to the broadcast booth. I always liked him as the analyist/color guy.

[CATCH17]

And thus ended the streak of years where you could make cheap jokes about the Lions taking a WR with their first pick.

RIP Matt Millen, GM.

Seriously...

Charles Rogers

Roy Williams

Mike Williams

Calvin Johnson

[DCBoysfan]

he had a good run

[joseephuss]

Wow I didnt think they would do it.

Those guys need to just tear that sucker apart and rebuild.

Also trade Roy Williams to Dallas for our #1.

This next year is not really a good year to draft a QB either. Poor guys.

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.

[Joe Rod]

Arrrgh! Now there is no way that Jerry can trade Carp for Roy Williams. Millen would be the only guy dumb enough to do that trade!

Hey, who wants to guess what embarrassing/incriminating pictures Matt Millen releases of the Ford family in the next few days that allowed him to keep his job so long in the first place?

[dueyhemlock]

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.


But there is the Philly factor, are they to cheap or would they be smart enough to make a move to prevent us from making a move? This could have a large impact on the price and demand value for Williams WR.

[REDVOLUTION]

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.


It might still be a #1. If the NEW GM comes in and calls Danny then he will give a #1... heck he might give two #1's.

The Lions are STILL in good position for demanding as much as they can.

[CATCH17]

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.

Because teams will give a 1 for Roy Williams.

We may have to overpay to get him.

[Hoofbite]

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.

Doubt it.

[Blue&Silver]

They won't trade RW to us, not with our first-round pick being a 2 for the most part. I am assuming we'll get a playoff win or 2. They would ask for way more than that, and it's just not worth it.

[sacowboysfan513]

And this all had to do with Bill Ford Jr. stating that he would fire Matt Millen if he were the owner.

[Chief]

he had a good run

:laugh2:

[dueyhemlock]

I think Hostile posted in another thread that the trade deadline was Oct. 14th, did I get this right?

This could become a big time bidding war.

[Sam I Am]

The Roy Williams thing is going to depend on a lot of stuff. First, if Detriot isn't willing to rebuild now, Roy Williams is probably going anywhere.

Secondly, it will depend on who takes over and how they feel about the Roy Williams situation. Does he value him enough to spend franchise money on him and not get the trade return value. ($9Mish + first round pick, + something else)

Do you trade him now so in the end your first round pick next year is higher (because Roy doesn't help you win a game this year).

If I were the new GM. I trade Roy now and go after a first round pick, a second day pick, and a player of significant value. By significant value I mean a player capable of starting. All of that, plus saving $9M on a single player is worth more than keeping Roy Williams when I already know I don't have a shot at a SuperBowl title.

[Sam I Am]

Why a #1? This is not a sellers market and Detroit is now desperate. Roy can be had for less than a 1st rounder.

You're dreaming. Roy easily commands a first round pick.

[DaBoys4Life]

You're dreaming. Roy easily commands a first round pick.

IDK i would try to low ball them be like Randy Moss didn't command a first round pick.

[REDVOLUTION]

The Roy Williams thing is going to depend on a lot of stuff. First, if Detriot isn't willing to rebuild now, Roy Williams is probably going anywhere.

Secondly, it will depend on who takes over and how they feel about the Roy Williams situation.


At 0-3 they are not going ANYWHERE, anytime soon. Best case scenario they go 9-7. Thats a pipe dream though.

If Roy Williams is still a Lion after this year then all signs to Detroit being the same as they have been for years under Millen.

Its time to start stockpiling "Draft picks" - that team needs an infusion of talent.

[Sam I Am]

IDK i would try to low ball them be like Randy Moss didn't command a first round pick.

I would too, the difference between Roy Williams and Randy Moss is Moss was known in the league to half-*** it sometimes. Roy Williams is not. The only knock Williams has had is injuries.

[Sam I Am]

At 0-3 they are not going ANYWHERE, anytime soon. Best case scenario they go 9-7. Thats a pipe dream though.

If Roy Williams is still a Lion after this year then all signs to Detroit being the same as they have been for years under Millen.

Its time to start stockpiling "Draft picks" - that team needs an infusion of talent.

9-7 won't get you a top 10 pick. They had better do better (read worse) than that. I think they should start stockpiling picks too. ...and quality offensive lineman.

[REDVOLUTION]

9-7 won't get you a top 10 pick. They had better do better (read worse) than that. I think they should start stockpiling picks too. ...and quality offensive lineman.


My 9-7 was reference to trying to salvage season.

If they can get rid of Roy now then they will fall to a 4-12 team or worse.

[Hostile]

I think Hostile posted in another thread that the trade deadline was Oct. 14th, did I get this right?

This could become a big time bidding war.Yes sir, you are. I also predicted this firing and trade talks to heat up.

[Sam I Am]

My 9-7 was reference to trying to salvage season.

If they can get rid of Roy now then they will fall to a 4-12 team or worse.

Sold. Patrick Crayton, our '09 #1, and our #5th in '09.

[REDVOLUTION]

Yes sir, you are. I also predicted this firing and trade talks to heat up.


There is a new movie coming out. (and I dont mean Jose Canseco)


Vindicated - coming soon ;)

[Doomsday101]

Millen is fired and you are William Clay Ford. Who do you hire to take over the job?

[CrazyCowboy]

wow...that came out of left field.

[khiladi]

wow...that came out of left field.

No it didn't...

[Hostile]

Millen is fired and you are William Clay Ford. Who do you hire to take over the job?Who is even available at this point?

If it was me I'd talk to Floyd Reese at ESPN.

[thekavorka]

If he doesn't come to the Cowboys, I just hope the Eagles don't get him.

[dueyhemlock]

Yes sir, you are. I also predicted this firing and trade talks to heat up.

Thanks Hostile,

I like the sound of this from another thread:

“Everybody would like to stay where they are drafted,” Williams said. “But at the same time, everybody would like to go back home as they get older.
My home is Texas.”

A 1st and a role player for Detroit to deter the Eagles. Also, would Roy possibly take less to come home?

This could get expensive all the way around.

Does Jerry hedge his bet for this year's Superbowl run?

[zrinkill]

Jimmy Johnson ..... next GM of the Lions.


:D

[Doomsday101]

Who is even available at this point?

If it was me I'd talk to Floyd Reese at ESPN.

Myself I would go after Stephen Jones. :lmao2:

[Chief]

Millen is fired and you are William Clay Ford. Who do you hire to take over the job?

Ed McGuire, the assistant GM at San Diego.

[big dog cowboy]

As pointed out yesaterday, Minnesota, Chicago and Green Bay are all in mourning now.

[REDVOLUTION]

Bill Parcells...actually his son in law in NE

[Yeagermeister]

So long Mongo

[FCBarca]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601458/Millen-out-as-Lions-president,-GM

Long overdue.

He rivals Isiah as worst sports exec in history.

At least Isiah could draft talent, Millen couldn't do anything...It is remarkable how an exec like that could keep his job as long as he did...Talk about rewarding mediocrity...Also goes to show you how poor the ownership is in Detroit under the Fords.

[BraveHeartFan]

About time that Millen was fired but this isn't going to change anything in the Williams situation. Williams will finish the year in Detriot but I don't imagine they'll make any strong push to keep him beyond that.

[GimmeTheBall!]

He was a good man. But he got careless.

[Aven8]

About time that Millen was fired but this isn't going to change anything in the Williams situation. Williams will finish the year in Detriot but I don't imagine they'll make any strong push to keep him beyond that.

You're probably right...but it would be advantageous for them to trade him and get something out of him...instead of just letting him go for nothing at the end of the season.

Also, if he came here it would take some time to get him going...he would have to learn the offense. But he would be great in the redzone!!!!

[Yeagermeister]

He was a good man. But he got careless.

More like in over his head

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow, talk about 4 years too late...:rolleyes:

[DanTanna]

Screw Roy Williams - lets go straight for Calvin Johnson!

:lmao2:

[stasheroo]

About time that Millen was fired but this isn't going to change anything in the Williams situation. Williams will finish the year in Detriot but I don't imagine they'll make any strong push to keep him beyond that.

I don't see why it wouldn't change anything.

Any new GM they bring in would be beholden to keeping Roy Williams - a guy he didn't draft.

And the draft pick(s) to be had by trading him would assist the new regime in improving the talent on the team.

And letting Williams leave next year for nothing is outright foolish.

I think the odds of Roy Williams being traded just rose dramatically.

[Hostile]

I don't see why it wouldn't change anything.

Any new GM they bring in would be beholden to keeping Roy Williams - a guy he didn't draft.

And the draft pick(s) to be had by trading him would assist the new regime in improving the talent on the team.

And letting Williams leave next year for nothing is outright foolish.

I think the odds of Roy Williams being traded just rose dramatically.Yep, I'd say so. Plus he's already suggesting the coaching staff's game plans are more to blame than Millen. The umbilical cord is showing.

[khiladi]

Yep, I'd say so. Plus he's already suggesting the coaching staff's game plans are more to blame than Millen. The umbilical cord is showing.

To be fair, Kitna is saying the same thing. But we aren't going to be trading for Kitna, at least I hope we aren't....

[Hostile]

To be fair, Kitna is saying the same thing. But we aren't going to be trading for Kitna, at least I hope we aren't....He's under contract with the Lions for 2009. Williams is not. He wouldn't get the new regime some draft picks to build upon. Williams would.

Not exactly equal circumstances.

[stasheroo]

Yep, I'd say so. Plus he's already suggesting the coaching staff's game plans are more to blame than Millen. The umbilical cord is showing.

It's obvious that Roy Williams is fed up and unhappy in Detroit. He's doing his best to be civil in interviews, but his true feelings seem to be surfacing more and more as the losses mount.

And if the team is committed to Calvin Johnson and more focus on the running game, they should be looking to trade away a guy who doesn't fit into their plans while they can still get something for him.

The Lions are obviously not going to be competitive this year so whoever ends up in charge should look to the future.

[Joe Rod]

I for one feel that the new GM should trade Williams to Dallas for a fourth round pick just to show the rest of the league that they will not tolerate his speaking out about the situation. It is obvious insubordination!

[Da Hammer]

i honestly thought at this point that we would never see the day... Lions fans must be feeling like little kids on Christmas Eve right now

[Doomsday101]

I for one feel that the new GM should trade Williams to Dallas for a fourth round pick just to show the rest of the league that they will not tolerate his speaking out about the situation. It is obvious insubordination!

Why Dallas and not some other team? I would love to have him but I notice that fans look at trade from only their point of view and not that of the team who they want to trade with.

[stasheroo]

Why Dallas and not some other team? I would love to have him but I notice that fans look at trade from only their point of view and not that of the team who they want to trade with.

Williams' desire to return 'home' to Texas would play a key role in any trade.

If a team were to trade for him, they would have to have a long-term deal in place, otherwise they would essentially be renting Williams for the remainder of this season.

And Williams would have to be willing to play in the city of the team that trades for him.

We know he wants to go 'home', therefore it's doubtful he would agree to play anywhere outside Texas rather than waiting for free agency next season.

I just read that Martin Mayhew has been promoted from Assistant GM to the top guy.

It will be interesting to see if he has the juice to pull off a deal like this or if he sits on his hands for the remainder of this season...

[Doomsday101]

Williams' desire to return 'home' to Texas would play a key role in any trade.

If a team were to trade for him, they would have to have a long-term deal in place, otherwise they would essentially be renting Williams for the remainder of this season.

And Williams would have to be willing to play in the city of the team that trades for him.

We know he wants to go 'home', therefore it's doubtful he would agree to play anywhere outside Texas rather than waiting for free agency next season.

I just read that Martin Mayhew has been promoted from Assistant GM to the top guy.

It will be interesting to see if he has the juice to pull off a deal like this or if he sits on his hands for the remainder of this season...

And I know players will go where the money is be it in their home state or some other team. Sorry I don't buy into the I want to play close to home any more than I believe players when they says it is not about the money after they sign these huge contracts. Would Williams like to come to Dallas yes I would not doubt that would he goes somewhere else if the offer was better I think so.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Millen deserved to be fired but no more after these three losses than in the offseason. Not like the team is going to improve now.

[BraveHeartFan]

The Lions have to be conceding that they're going to really tank this year.

[ninja]

It's funny how all the blame gets thrown on the GM or coach or owner without knowing who was ultimately responsible.

Not saying it was Millen's fault or not. What was Millen's role in the disater in Detroit? Only an insider would know. Who has the final say about the draft?

Detroit as a city just plain stinks. That city is one of the worst ghettos in the US. I won't even consider a job in Detroit regardless of the pay. I'm sure the players all hate the city. I'm sure that has some affect on the players' performance.

A quck fix would be to move the team to LA. Lions in the Coliseum. The players would be a lot happier.

[Ashwynn]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8601458/Millen-out-as-Lions-president,-GM

Long overdue.

He rivals Isiah as worst sports exec in history.

Wrong o buddy, Millen for all his bad GMing aint got nothing on Isah. Isiah is the worst GM in the history of team sports PERIOD.

[JonJon]

And I know players will go where the money is be it in their home state or some other team. Sorry I don't buy into the I want to play close to home any more than I believe players when they says it is not about the money after they sign these huge contracts. Would Williams like to come to Dallas yes I would not doubt that would he goes somewhere else if the offer was better I think so.

Throw in a chance at greatness, a serious chance at that elusive Superbowl ring, the chance to be a part of one of the most potent offenses in NFL history, and I think RW might pass on a few more dollars and a career of mediocrity on another lame team.

[DaBoyz73]

It's funny how all the blame gets thrown on the GM or coach or owner without knowing who was ultimately responsible.

Not saying it was Millen's fault or not. What was Millen's role in the disater in Detroit? Only an insider would know. Who has the final say about the draft?

Detroit as a city just plain stinks. That city is one of the worst ghettos in the US. I won't even consider a job in Detroit regardless of the pay. I'm sure the players all hate the city. I'm sure that has some affect on the players' performance.

A quck fix would be to move the team to LA. Lions in the Coliseum. The players would be a lot happier.


Detroit is not by its self when you about about cities that have gone down. And I bet if the money was right, you would accept a job working in Detroit. IMHO...........

[stasheroo]

And I know players will go where the money is be it in their home state or some other team. Sorry I don't buy into the I want to play close to home any more than I believe players when they says it is not about the money after they sign these huge contracts. Would Williams like to come to Dallas yes I would not doubt that would he goes somewhere else if the offer was better I think so.

Sure.

If the Cowboys were offering $5 million a season and the 49'ers were offering $8 million?

Yeah, I could see that.

But when have you known Jerry and the Cowboys to be cheap?

And if the offers are even close, the Cowboys' intangibles trump anything else.

I actually think that - given the dire situation with the Rams - that Dallas might be able to leverage a better deal for either Roy Williams or Torry Holt.

Both the Lions and Rams are terrible and everyone knows it, including whoever is left with the job of rebuilding them. It would probably be in that person's best interest to 'sell off' whatever commodities the team has for future draft picks.

[DaBoys4Life]

Sure.

If the Cowboys were offering $5 million a season and the 49'ers were offering $8 million?

Yeah, I could see that.

But when have you known Jerry and the Cowboys to be cheap?

And if the offers are even close, the Cowboys' intangibles trump anything else.

I actually think that - given the dire situation with the Rams - that Dallas might be able to leverage a better deal for either Roy Williams or Torry Holt.

Both the Lions and Rams are terrible and everyone knows it, including whoever is left with the job of rebuilding them. It would probably be in that person's best interest to 'sell off' whatever commodities the team has for future draft picks.

I don't think the Rams could get much for Torry Holt.

[stasheroo]

I don't think the Rams could get much for Torry Holt.

I don't know.

If I were Jerry, I'd give them a 2nd rounder for him tomorrow.

He's not what he once was but he's still a Top 20 receiver at least.

And in the Cowboys' offense, I think he could be Top 10 given the coverage he'd receive.

He's being wasted in St Louis.

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't know.

If I were Jerry, I'd give them a 2nd rounder for him tomorrow.

He's not what he once was but he's still a Top 20 receiver at least.

And in the Cowboys' offense, I think he could be Top 10 given the coverage he'd receive.

He's being wasted in St Louis.

I would trade anything more than a 4th for him or any other WR for that matter. I'd try low balling them and be like Randy Moss went for a 4th.

[stasheroo]

I would trade anything more than a 4th for him or any other WR for that matter. I'd try low balling them and be like Randy Moss went for a 4th.

Does it really make sense for this team to lowball teams for draft picks if it meant the difference between having a great offense and an unstoppable juggernaut?

I don't think so.

I think getting a Torry Holt this year would far outweigh the value of a #2 pick next year.

Moss was a unique situation of a great player with great baggage, much like Terrell Owens.

Under normal circumstances, a player of that caliber is never available, much less available for such a low price.

[CowboyMark]

The only thing I have to say is, thank god he is not the cowboys gm. The firing of Millen has been a long time coming. It's about damn time.

[Nors]

After drafting all those sorry WR's to try and justify the Harrington mistake -

It's amazing in late 2008 he still had a job. Zero talent skills evaluating QB's and WR's.

[slick325]

And I know players will go where the money is be it in their home state or some other team. Sorry I don't buy into the I want to play close to home any more than I believe players when they says it is not about the money after they sign these huge contracts. Would Williams like to come to Dallas yes I would not doubt that would he goes somewhere else if the offer was better I think so.

I agree with you. If RW11 gets a healthy offer from whomever is trading for him and he will take it despite his desire to go home to Texas. The bottom line is, these players seek security and the 1st major offer they get they will take more times than not. Javon Walker wanted to be reunited with Ray Sherman and play with his buddy T.O. so bad up until crazy Al broke the bank for him.

And for those of you who see the Javon Walker situation as completely different because he was a free agent, you are correct. The situation is even worse if you are the property of a team. Folks tend to underestimate how much power the team has in these matters. Look at Brett Favre, he wanted to play in Minnesota so badly and GB traded him where they wanted to trade him. The same will apply to RW11. Detroit holds all the cards. It makes no difference to them whether he gets a long-term deal with another team. All they care about is what they get in return.

As for the team trading for RW11, if he refuses to sign a long-term deal with them, they now have the right to franchise him for the next two seasons. Making him 29 yrs. old when he becomes a free agent and decreasing his value on the open market due to age. The NFL is set up for teams not players to win these types of battles so ultimately, RW11 would have no choice but to sign with the team that traded for him if he wants to maximize his earning potential in light of back to back franchise years.

[Draegerman]

Bill Ford couldn't hide his excitement on Jan. 9, 2001, after he and the Lions lured Millen away from the broadcast booth to lead the franchise.

"I'm willing to stake my reputation on Matt's success," Bill Ford said after Millen was introduced at a news conference.
http://www.bradenton.com/football/story/902607.html