Do you think Zimmer will be here next year?

[Chocolate Lab]

Not *should* he be here... We know the thoughts of many on that.

But do you think he will be here? What are the realistic chances that he gets the axe?

I think there's a very good chance of it. I think Parcells really does want to run a 3-4 -- and even if he doesn't, this year may be so horrible that Parcells will probably want to bring several new coaches in. I think Zimmer might be one that gets replaced.

That's assuming Parcells doesn't quit first, of course. :)

[SuspectCorner]

Not *should* he be here... We know the thoughts of many on that.

But do you think he will be here? What are the realistic chances that he gets the axe?

I think there's a very good chance of it. I think Parcells really does want to run a 3-4 -- and even if he doesn't, this year may be so horrible that Parcells will probably want to bring several new coaches in. I think Zimmer might be one that gets replaced.

That's assuming Parcells doesn't quit first, of course. :)
zimm may be here but his current scheme won't. major retooling of the defense is in the works. it's a no-brainer.

[Rack Bauer]

Do you think Zimmer will be here next year?


I sure as hell hope not.

[Cajuncowboy]

Not *should* he be here... We know the thoughts of many on that.

But do you think he will be here? What are the realistic chances that he gets the axe?

I think there's a very good chance of it. I think Parcells really does want to run a 3-4 -- and even if he doesn't, this year may be so horrible that Parcells will probably want to bring several new coaches in. I think Zimmer might be one that gets replaced.

That's assuming Parcells doesn't quit first, of course. :)

I was hoping he wouldn't be here next week let alone next year.

[Eskimo]

Zimmer will not be back. He will most likely not get another coord job once his stint here is done. His inabillity to generate TOs is mind-boggling.

[Clay_Allison]

I think it is wildly unlikely he will be back. He really can't use the D-Backfield injuries as an excuse. We still have too much remaining talent to perform like this. Owens, wide F*CKING open in the End Zone? Be serious? Offer Romeo Crenell 2.5 million a season to be the DC with a guarantee to head coach when Bill leaves.

Not in one of our losses have we held the opposing offense under the magic 17 point line. We also gave up 21 in a win in Detroit. The problem is the defense. Zimmer's defense cannot creat a turnover to save everyone's life. He has neutralized Roy Williams better than any offense could. His blitzes are predictable and easy to pick up and burn.

He might still get another DC job, maybe at Nebraska who looked at him for the HC job last year. Otherwise it might be back to D-Backs coach in Cleveland where Dallas rejects go to die, that's if Butch Davis keeps his job. If Davis does get fired, he and Campo and the boys will go down to the College level, where Jimmy Johnson people belong.

[Woods]

He'll probably be back . . . . Given one more year to try to turn things around.

Sorry, guys . . . .

[bysbox1]

I think it is wildly unlikely he will be back. He really can't use the D-Backfield injuries as an excuse. We still have too much remaining talent to perform like this. Owens, wide F*CKING open in the End Zone? Be serious? Offer Romeo Crenell 2.5 million a season to be the DC with a guarantee to head coach when Bill leaves.

Not in one of our losses have we held the opposing offense under the magic 17 point line. We also gave up 21 in a win in Detroit. The problem is the defense. Zimmer's defense cannot creat a turnover to save everyone's life. He has neutralized Roy Williams better than any offense could. His blitzes are predictable and easy to pick up and burn.

He might still get another DC job, maybe at Nebraska who looked at him for the HC job last year. Otherwise it might be back to D-Backs coach in Cleveland where Dallas rejects go to die, that's if Butch Davis keeps his job. If Davis does get fired, he and Campo and the boys will go down to the College level, where Jimmy Johnson people belong.

What talent? Are we watching the same games? Name one playmaker on this team, other than Roy Williams, LaRoi Glover, and maybe Greg Ellis. Name one person with the talent to change the course of a game.

You can't, can you.

I have harped this for the past 6 years. Each year, they give him less and less talent, and he kept putting top rated defenses on the field. They don't have enough playmakers to get turnovers, but most of the time you could not score more than 20 points on our D. Yeah, they would have a a few bad games, but out defense is what kept us at 10-6 last year with our offense only scoring 17 points a game.

Now the well has run dry. How long do you think we can last with a defensive backfield with a bunch of no name no talents? Zimmer does not draft the players. And you can only coach up crap into players for so long.

Finally the crap is really becoming crap, and you can't do anything with it. It's not Zimm's fault. He does not bring in the players.

This is clearly a front office issue.

[Rack Bauer]

The reason we have no playmakers is cuz Zimmer takes great players and makes them average. Hell, not even Glover is a playmaker anymore. Ellis looked like he was gonna be one till he got hurt. Then spent a year playing/recovering. Then got into Zimmer's defense. Roy, as a rookie, was awesome. Now he's average cuz he's been in Zimmer's system too long.


Zimmer sucks. Plain and simple.

[bysbox1]

The reason we have no playmakers is cuz Zimmer takes great players and makes them average. Hell, not even Glover is a playmaker anymore. Ellis looked like he was gonna be one till he got hurt. Then spent a year playing/recovering. Then got into Zimmer's defense. Roy, as a rookie, was awesome. Now he's average cuz he's been in Zimmer's system too long.


Zimmer sucks. Plain and simple.

You still have not named one playmaker. One other than Roy or LaRoi. And Greg Ellis does not count. He is a workhouse, workmanlike player. Ellis is not an elite pass rusher. Never has been never will be.

You name one from this D, and I'll stop saying this.

But you can't, can you?

Okay, can't do that, then do this. Name me one defensive scheme that can be run keeping Roy in position, using the Rookie Free Agent "Boys" we have playing, without getting lit for 500 yards passing. Name one.

I thought so. You can't do it.

Zimmer does not draft the players. Zimmer is not the one who passed on Shaun Rogers or Kendrell Bell in the draft. Zimmer is not the one who let Bertand Berry, Antoine Winfield, Bobby Taylor, Grant Winstrom, Warren Sapp, etc. go in free agency and then bring in a DE in his decline. Zimmer is not the one who did not pick up a free safety before training camp when you know your free safety will be out until well into the season.

Sometime's chicken is exactly what it is, chicken . You can't always make it chicken salad. And that's what you're expecting a defensive coordinator to do. Even if Romeo Crennel was here, we still are what we are, A no talent defense.

Unless you have a name to throw out there to prove otherwise.

[Chuck 54]

I think Zimmer is already gone....he'll end up in Cleveland as an assistant.

It's not really his fault, but he'll be gone nonetheless.

People are picking on Roy, and it is somewhat justified, but I'll also say that Greg Ellis picked a horrible night to play like a slow, uncoordinated girl...he was absolutely horrible...maybe the worst game I've ever seen from him...he was dominated and couldn't make any plays even when in position, which was seldom.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

I don't totally blame Zim but I wouldn't mind seeing them bring in Wannstedt.

[BulletBob]

Big Bill has gone out on a limb to praise this guy. Something tells me that Tuna's combination of ego and stubbornness will prevent Zim from leaving this team.

[Yeagermeister]

I think Zimmer is already gone....he'll end up in Cleveland as an assistant.

It's not really his fault, but he'll be gone nonetheless.

People are picking on Roy, and it is somewhat justified, but I'll also say that Greg Ellis picked a horrible night to play like a slow, uncoordinated girl...he was absolutely horrible...maybe the worst game I've ever seen from him...he was dominated and couldn't make any plays even when in position, which was seldom.
There isn't much Ellis can do when he's being held right in front of the ref and it doesn't get called. Runyan tackled him then layed on his legs right in front of Hockaloogie. :mad:

[Aikmaniac]

I'm kinda on the fence here.

With the talent, or lack thereof, on defense, what defensive scheme would work...honestly?

On the other hand, not taking chances by blitzing is terrible. That 14 second circus play (that will be played forever, mind you because it is, afterall, against Dallas), was the result of no pressure from the DL and no help from the LB's near the LOS. BLITZ!!! What's the worse that could happen?

[Hollywood Henderson]

I heard that Bill yelled where are my TURNOVERS to zimmy wuss after the game...
zimmy/squiggy replied, how many do you want...AND what kind APPLE or CHERRY?
zimmy's a complete idiot...

Another worst ever record for the goof...McChunk looks like the NFL's best QB (Highest QB rating) after The Steelers had made him look like Arena league material...

Parcells should fire zimmy now and take over on D....NOW!

[mbanx]

I would think after this bad of a performance that somebody has to take a fall. So I think Zim is gone for the simple fact everybody knows something has to change.

[DoomsDayD]

I can only hope he isnt here. Granted he isnt the only blame for what is going on..a little more talent and some freaking spirit and fire would be nice also. I would love to see a lot of asst coaches go..this team needs a complete overhaul.

[dbair1967]

He'll probably be back . . . . Given one more year to try to turn things around.

Sorry, guys . . . .

he's had 5 years....

he makes Dave Shula's two yr stint as offensice coordinator genius like

Zimmer's the worst coach this franchise has ever had

David

[dbair1967]

You still have not named one playmaker. One other than Roy or LaRoi. And Greg Ellis does not count. He is a workhouse, workmanlike player. Ellis is not an elite pass rusher. Never has been never will be.

You name one from this D, and I'll stop saying this.

But you can't, can you?

Okay, can't do that, then do this. Name me one defensive scheme that can be run keeping Roy in position, using the Rookie Free Agent "Boys" we have playing, without getting lit for 500 yards passing. Name one.

I thought so. You can't do it.

Zimmer does not draft the players. Zimmer is not the one who passed on Shaun Rogers or Kendrell Bell in the draft. Zimmer is not the one who let Bertand Berry, Antoine Winfield, Bobby Taylor, Grant Winstrom, Warren Sapp, etc. go in free agency and then bring in a DE in his decline. Zimmer is not the one who did not pick up a free safety before training camp when you know your free safety will be out until well into the season.

Sometime's chicken is exactly what it is, chicken . You can't always make it chicken salad. And that's what you're expecting a defensive coordinator to do. Even if Romeo Crennel was here, we still are what we are, A no talent defense.

Unless you have a name to throw out there to prove otherwise.

well, we may not have a list of dominant overwhelming players, but who does? You cant have 11 probowlers out there, at some point you have to coach up what you have...this defense isnt the 92-95 Cowboys, but it plays worse than the 8/89 Cowboys did, and those two teams were possibly the least talented in league history...Ellis and Glover are good players...Coakley has been to 3 probowls, Nguyen should have made the probowl last yr...Al Singleton is a steady player...02/03 drafts yieleded argubly the best defensive players in the draft in Williams and Newman

Zimmer's had almost five years now, and we are no better off today than we were in 2000 when he became coordinator despite Ellis being better, bringing in allpro sack machine LaRoi Glover, bringing in two bigtime talents in the secondary and having what most considered a solid LB corp...Ekuban was considered a flop here but leads the Browns in sacks, QB pressures and forced fumbles in his first yr there...Kevin Hardy was another perennial probowler added to the defense here, and he looked pedestrian as well...

there's just no excuse for the lack of plays being made by Roy Williams...I can understand Newman not having tons of picks because teams again arnt throwing at him, but RW doesnt have hardly any tackles for loss, no sacks, no forced fumbles and no picks...he's not playing the position he was drafted to play by a longshot

5 years...one fluke good year, 3 very bad ones and one average one...if you cant see the writing on the wall something is wrong...he sux

David

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think next year he will be sharing a love shack with Hollywood Henderson and Dbair in some wooded area far from civilization, close to MichaelWinicki. :p

[bysbox1]

well, we may not have a list of dominant overwhelming players, but who does? You cant have 11 probowlers out there, at some point you have to coach up what you have...this defense isnt the 92-95 Cowboys, but it plays worse than the 8/89 Cowboys did, and those two teams were possibly the least talented in league history...Ellis and Glover are good players...Coakley has been to 3 probowls, Nguyen should have made the probowl last yr...Al Singleton is a steady player...02/03 drafts yieleded argubly the best defensive players in the draft in Williams and Newman

Zimmer's had almost five years now, and we are no better off today than we were in 2000 when he became coordinator despite Ellis being better, bringing in allpro sack machine LaRoi Glover, bringing in two bigtime talents in the secondary and having what most considered a solid LB corp...Ekuban was considered a flop here but leads the Browns in sacks, QB pressures and forced fumbles in his first yr there...Kevin Hardy was another perennial probowler added to the defense here, and he looked pedestrian as well...

there's just no excuse for the lack of plays being made by Roy Williams...I can understand Newman not having tons of picks because teams again arnt throwing at him, but RW doesnt have hardly any tackles for loss, no sacks, no forced fumbles and no picks...he's not playing the position he was drafted to play by a longshot

5 years...one fluke good year, 3 very bad ones and one average one...if you cant see the writing on the wall something is wrong...he sux

David

Actually I thought he it was more like one good one 2 average ones, and one bad year. I am not counting this year yet, have to keep some hope alive.

And I know you can not have 11 pro bowlers, but lets look at some teams here. I picked the teams at random to just to see how many "talented" players other NFL teams have:

Cleveland: Orpheus Roye, Kenard Lang (1st round pick), Robert Griffith (from Minny), Gerrad Warren (1st round pick) along with Ekuban (1st round pick) = 5 players. Record: 3-6.

Denver: Champ Bailey, Marco Coleman, John Lynch, Rod Smith, Ellis Johnson, Luther Ellis (1st round pick), DJ Williams (1st round pick), Al Wilson (1st round pick) = 8 players. Record 6-3.

New England (the ultimate team playing Defense). Think they would have a bunch of no names right? Let's look:

Rodney Harrison, Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, Roman Phifer, Willie McGinest, Vince Wilfork, Keith Traylor, Tyrone Poole, Ty Warren (1st round pick), Richard Seymour (1st round pick), and some would argue Roosevelt Colvin = 11 players. Record 8-1.

Coincidence? I think not.

I know there are teams with the exact opposite, like Indy, Minny, or the RAMS, but they have juggernaut offenses that put up 30-40 points a game. Look at Minny over the past 3 weeks. Their offense is sputtering without Randy Moss, and they have lost 3 straight.

My arguement is I don't care who you bring in here. Bring back Dave Wannedstat. Bring in Romeo Crennel, Ray Rhodes, insert any coordinator here. We still would be in the same situation.

We need the talent, we need to draft better and pick better free agents. Or get an offense that can put up 50 points a game.

[LaTunaNostra]

This board has really gotten to me because while discussing the Cowboys with an NFL fan the other day, I found myself referring to Zimmer as "Zimmy Wuss." The guy looked at me like I was crazy til I realized what I had said.

The two who cashed in big last year off the FLUKE season that convinced Bill he was Mumbles are Zim and Sean. Neither one has earned anything like their half a mil raises - JJT oughta write THAT column.

But they'll be back. Is Romeo Crennel going to make a lateral move?

Is Bill going to find a position coach like the Jets did DC Donnie Henderson (Ravens secondary coach) who will light up the defensive strategy and play gutsy ball? No, Bill's philosophy is bend don't break.

Tuna will feel his famous loyalty to his staff even more so this offseason, blaming himself, and rightly so, for forcing his coordinators to game plan with the Tony Dixons of the league. He doesn't let staff bring him or his team down, but he knows HE brought the team down..so Sean and Wuss get the pass.

[bysbox1]

This board has really gotten to me because while discussing the Cowboys with an NFL fan the other day, I found myself referring to Zimmer as "Zimmy Wuss." The guy looked at me like I was crazy til I realized what I had said.

The two who cashed in big last year off the FLUKE season that convinced Bill he was Mumbles are Zim and Sean. Neither one has earned anything like their half a mil raises - JJT oughta write THAT column.

But they'll be back. Is Romeo Crennel going to make a lateral move?

Is Bill going to find a position coach like the Jets did DC Donnie Henderson (Ravens secondary coach) who will light up the defensive strategy and play gutsy ball? No, Bill's philosophy is bend don't break.

Tuna will feel his famous loyalty to his staff even more so this offseason, blaming himself, and rightly so, for forcing his coordinators to game plan with the Tony Dixons of the league. He doesn't let staff bring him or his team down, but he knows HE brought the team down..so Sean and Wuss get the pass.

Now don't get me wrong. Let's bring in the talent and if we see no better results, I will be on that GROZ bandwagon myself. But we want to crucify him when he has never ever had the talent to make the D work here.

[LaTunaNostra]

Now don't get me wrong. Let's bring in the talent and if we see no better results, I will be on that GROZ bandwagon myself. But we want to crucify him when he has never ever had the talent to make the D work here.
Zimmer does draw a pass in my book, albeit a begrudging one.

The story of how, in the wake of Mario's leaving, Zimmer told Bill he couldn't make a starting corner out of Hunter, only to be told "but I can" (Marcus Coleman, blah, blah, blah), gave me a pretty strong inkling of what Wuss has been up against.

Tuna must be looking over at NE and seeing Troy Brown play effective corner and be contemplating Randal Williams there. :rolleyes:

[bysbox1]

...Kevin Hardy was another perennial probowler added to the defense here, and he looked pedestrian as well...
David

Kevin Hardy? You gotta be kidding me . . . the same Kevin Hardy that had 75 tackles, two sacks, and two FF's as linebacker while he was here in 2002?

Right, those stats look mighty pedestrian . . . .

[bysbox1]

Zimmer does draw a pass in my book, albeit a begrudging one.

The story of how, in the wake of Mario's leaving, Zimmer told Bill he couldn't make a starting corner out of Hunter, only to be told "but I can" (Marcus Coleman, blah, blah, blah), gave me a pretty strong inkling of what Wuss has been up against.

Tuna must be looking over at NE and seeing Troy Brown play effective corner and be contemplating Randal Williams there. :rolleyes:

I forgot about that incident, but it further proves my point.

How can you keep giving him crap to work with? You can't coach talent into these players. If they don't have it, they don't have it.

Give him the year, give him the talent. If he still stinks up the joint, bring someone else in.

[Bluefin]

Not *should* he be here... We know the thoughts of many on that.

But do you think he will be here? What are the realistic chances that he gets the axe?

I think there's a very good chance of it. I think Parcells really does want to run a 3-4 -- and even if he doesn't, this year may be so horrible that Parcells will probably want to bring several new coaches in. I think Zimmer might be one that gets replaced.

That's assuming Parcells doesn't quit first, of course. :)
I always have been and always will be critical of Mike Zimmer.

But the scheme works.

It just needs players who can raise above its limiting factors.

Dallas doesn't have enough of them.

I consider Bill Parcells to be loyal to a fault, I don't see him replacing Zim unless a really good option to coach a 3-4 scheme is available.

It comes down to what Parcells wants to do on defense, IMO.

Keep the 4-3 while improving size and using the 3-4 as a change of pace?

Or go 3-4 full-time and only use a four man line in nickel situations?

Zimmer would be a lock to stay in the first scenario and more likely to get canned in the second.

[Chocolate Lab]

Zimmer does draw a pass in my book, albeit a begrudging one.

The story of how, in the wake of Mario's leaving, Zimmer told Bill he couldn't make a starting corner out of Hunter, only to be told "but I can" (Marcus Coleman, blah, blah, blah), gave me a pretty strong inkling of what Wuss has been up against.

Did they really have that conversation? I guess I missed that.

Anyway, do you think Parcells will really blame himself for some of the players he chose on defense?

And will he really be so loyal to these assistants that he hired just a year and a half ago, guys that he really didn't know that well?

[Bluefin]

And will he really be so loyal to these assistants that he hired just a year and a half ago, guys that he really didn't know that well?
That's the question.

Will Parcells feel Zimmer did a good job with the players he had this year or will he find fault with how Zimmer responded to coaching a down and unit again?

Will Zimmer and Jerry Jones endorse whatever changes it is rumored Parcells wants to make on the unit?

In the end, I think Parcells will feel overhauling the 4-3 and tweaking its design is the best course of action to field a competitive defense instead of breaking things down and starting from ground zero.

[dbair1967]

Kevin Hardy? You gotta be kidding me . . . the same Kevin Hardy that had 75 tackles, two sacks, and two FF's as linebacker while he was here in 2002?

Right, those stats look mighty pedestrian . . . .

that is pedestrian, especially compared to what he did in Jacksonville

you're so used to seeing the standard lines in Dallas of no sacks and no turnovers, no negative plays that you mistake incredible mediocrity for being good

David

[TLW47]

I think Zimmer is gone after this year. I also think Bill will be leaving too. Too frustrating.

[Kittymama]

LaTuna asks a good question. For the GROZ folks--realistically, who would become the DC? I'm not saying there shouldn't be a change, I'm just wondering who would replace him. (And please spare me "A chimp could" type of nonsense.) Most teams aren't going to let their assistants go to another team as an assistant. It's wildly unlikely that Crennel would come here as an assistant--he wants to be a HC. Who are the coaches most likely to be gone at the end of the season? Haslett, possibly Turner, maybe Vermeil, maybe Tice if the Vikes don't get into the playoffs. How good are their DCs?

Now here is a thought: Vermeil brought in Cunningham to revamp his defense. That hasn't happened. Could Cunningham be gone at the end of the season? What do people think about him?

[LaTunaNostra]

Did they really have that conversation? I guess I missed that.

Anyway, do you think Parcells will really blame himself for some of the players he chose on defense?

And will he really be so loyal to these assistants that he hired just a year and a half ago, guys that he really didn't know that well?

CL, it got posted here. Bill mentioned Marcus Coleman more than once as an example of how long it can take to turn the corner with a corner, in reference to Hunter, and he mentioned Zim was not enthusiastic about the project.

Yes, I do think Bill will blame himself for thinking he could coach up so much flotsam and jetsom, in the face of the Stewarts, the Brooks Bros, the Powells, the Colemans, the Carsons, the Hunters, the Fraziers, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

All teams waste time on botton roster feeders, but this was ridiculous this year. Tuna draws more flack for bringing in the Wileys and Georges, but his biggest gaffe has been highly over evaluating young defensive players and thinking he could turn them into players. For all the talk about the "arrogance" of his sound bytes - here, imo, is where the season-fatal hubris showed itself.

[LaTunaNostra]

I think Zimmer is gone after this year. I also think Bill will be leaving too. Too frustrating.
Mickey used Keyshawn's words on that today, which were anyone who thinks Bill Parcells will quit on a losing team doesn't know Bill Parcells.

No way does Tuna end his coaching career a loser. No way.

[Waffle]

Mickey used Keyshawn's words on that today, which were anyone who thinks Bill Parcells will quit on a losing team doesn't know Bill Parcells.

No way does Tuna end his coaching career a loser. No way.
B. I agree w/ you. Unless this team causes Bill to lose his good health, he won't abandon us now.

I think many people forget that even the "Great Bill Belichek" went 7-9 in 2002 after winning the Super Bowl. He came back the next season and won another. Stuff happens and maybe we needed this to happen to make Bill/Jerry more agressive in FA next time around.

[TLW47]

Well I actually like Bill but you can sense that he's as frustrated as one person could be.

I think one of his kids or a close friend will just tell him that he needs to chunk this albatross and get out with his millions.

I think the Cowboys situation is unique to Bill. He can't reach them and he's admitted he doesn't know what else to do.

[Kittymama]

Well I actually like Bill but you can sense that he's as frustrated as one person could be.

I think one of his kids or a close friend will just tell him that he needs to chunk this albatross and get out with his millions.

I think the Cowboys situation is unique to Bill. He can't reach them and he's admitted he doesn't know what else to do.

He's been frustrated before. He's got a big enough ego that he's not going to walk away now--he knows how the media would trash him for it. Plus, he likes a challenge. Yes, he's not reaching this group--they'll all be gone anyway at the end of the year.

[Cheap Shot Artist]

Kevin Hardy? You gotta be kidding me . . . the same Kevin Hardy that had 75 tackles, two sacks, and two FF's as linebacker while he was here in 2002?

Right, those stats look mighty pedestrian . . . .

If you remember, Dat Nguyen broke his hand in the opening day debacle against the Texans

And guess who replaced Nguyen in coverage?

Hardy..whose strong suit is getting after the QB

[Hostile]

Mickey used Keyshawn's words on that today, which were anyone who thinks Bill Parcells will quit on a losing team doesn't know Bill Parcells.

No way does Tuna end his coaching career a loser. No way.
That is comforting. Not much, but I appreciate it.

[ravidubey]

Both Jerry Jones and Zimmer should be fired and Parcells should be demoted to Head Coach only. Then bring in a true NFL GM who focuses only on being the GM-- not on business or game preparation and management.

But back to reality...

[btcutter]

I think it is wildly unlikely he will be back. He really can't use the D-Backfield injuries as an excuse. We still have too much remaining talent to perform like this. Owens, wide F*CKING open in the End Zone? Be serious? Offer Romeo Crenell 2.5 million a season to be the DC with a guarantee to head coach when Bill leaves.

Not in one of our losses have we held the opposing offense under the magic 17 point line. We also gave up 21 in a win in Detroit. The problem is the defense. Zimmer's defense cannot creat a turnover to save everyone's life. He has neutralized Roy Williams better than any offense could. His blitzes are predictable and easy to pick up and burn.

He might still get another DC job, maybe at Nebraska who looked at him for the HC job last year. Otherwise it might be back to D-Backs coach in Cleveland where Dallas rejects go to die, that's if Butch Davis keeps his job. If Davis does get fired, he and Campo and the boys will go down to the College level, where Jimmy Johnson people belong.

we have lousy D players so does'nt matter who's coaching. Look at KC! They brought in some D genius but same personel and guess what...their D still sucks.

Jerry, go get some D players. Do you remember Berry DE that AZ signed away from us....he got 5 sacks in one day...let see how many "Dat Dude" got this yr???? Zero