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NinePointOh
10-02-2008, 01:22 PM
October 02, 2008
Categories: Michigan (http://dyn.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/index.cfm/category/Michigan) McCain pulling out of Michigan

John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.

McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.

McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.

McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.

But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.

A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.

By Jonathan Martin 01:44 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html?showall

Sasquatch
10-02-2008, 01:25 PM
http://www.nomaltbytrack.org/atv_wheels_off.jpg

icyhot
10-02-2008, 01:44 PM
http://www.nomaltbytrack.org/atv_wheels_off.jpg
Ha Ha a picture worth a thousand words

Danny White
10-02-2008, 02:34 PM
Obviously not a great sign for him.

Reality is, though, that he only needs to hang onto the Bush states. Why pour money into a state that you don't think you can win when you could focus that money and time on a state you HAVE to win?

Sasquatch
10-02-2008, 02:36 PM
Obviously not a great sign for him.

Reality is, though, that he only needs to hang onto the Bush states. Why pour money into a state that you don't think you can win when you could focus that money and time on a state you HAVE to win?

Did he learn that from Rudy Giuliani's playbook?

Dallas
10-02-2008, 02:36 PM
Obviously not a great sign for him.

Reality is, though, that he only needs to hang onto the Bush states. Why pour money into a state that you don't think you can win when you could focus that money and time on a state you HAVE to win?


Exactly Danny.

All he needs to do is focus on the Bush states and he's in. Love how the left users here keep posting this stuff up like... LOOKIE LOOKIE HE'S GONNA LOSE.

Hold the Bush states and its over.


Next !!!

Danny White
10-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Did he learn that from Rudy Giuliani's playbook?


You really think this is new? Focusing on some states and writing off others?

I don't think you're really that naive... are you?

Rudy's problem was that he wrote off the early primary and caucus states and basically made himself irrelevant for the first month of the primary schedule... that put him in a momentum tailspin that doomed his campaign.

This is completely different. You see, Michigan voters come to the polls on November 4... just like everyone else.

WoodysGirl
10-02-2008, 02:41 PM
Makes sense to me. I believe Obama went dark in Alaska...for obvious reasons.

I realize Texas is considered a republican state, but I swear I don't see many presidential ads. I could be ignoring them seeing as I watch most shows off my DVR.

Sasquatch
10-02-2008, 02:44 PM
You really think this is new? Focusing on some states and writing off others?

I don't think you're really that naive... are you?

Rudy's problem was that he wrote off the early primary and caucus states and basically made himself irrelevant for the first month of the primary schedule... that put him in a momentum tailspin that doomed his campaign.

This is completely different. You see, Michigan voters come to the polls on November 4... just like everyone else.

Just poking fun. Be that as it may, as was the case with Rudy, it will appear as weakness especially in light of recent events and McCain's plunging poll numbers.

Life isn't fair, I suppose. ;)

NinePointOh
10-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Exactly Danny.

All he needs to do is focus on the Bush states and he's in. Love how the left users here keep posting this stuff up like... LOOKIE LOOKIE HE'S GONNA LOSE.

Hold the Bush states and its over.


Next !!!

He won't hold all of the Bush states. That would mean winning in Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. He's behind in all of those states, some of them -- such as Iowa and New Mexico -- by very large margins.

McCain was counting on Michigan to be competitive, which is why he sunk so much money into it early on and took multiple trips there with Palin since the conventions. Michigan alone isn't a nail in the coffin, but giving up on 17 electoral votes he thought he could win significantly limits his possible scenarios to get 270. He'd pretty much have to win every other state that's still considered a battleground.

ConcordCowboy
10-02-2008, 04:07 PM
http://www.nomaltbytrack.org/atv_wheels_off.jpg

:laugh2:

dbair1967
10-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Obviously not a great sign for him.

Reality is, though, that he only needs to hang onto the Bush states. Why pour money into a state that you don't think you can win when you could focus that money and time on a state you HAVE to win?

He really just needs to win PA...if he does, game over for Obama

McCain is going to win Fl and Ohio

dbair1967
10-02-2008, 05:42 PM
He won't hold all of the Bush states. That would mean winning in Virginia, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico. He's behind in all of those states, some of them -- such as Iowa and New Mexico -- by very large margins.

.

he's going to win Ohio, Virginia and Nevada and I still think he'll probably win Iowa

PA is the make or break state for both guys...whoever wins that state is probably goign to win the election

Heisenberg
10-02-2008, 05:46 PM
Not to change the subject too much, but Rasmussen had a poll out for 9/29 for Texas.

Obama down 9. Single digits in Texas. No chance he'll win, but the fact that Obama is as close in Texas as McCain is in PA, well, should tell you something.

Rack Bauer
10-02-2008, 05:59 PM
Obviously not a great sign for our Country.

Fixed.

MetalHead
10-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Michigan has voted democrat because of the UAW and Dearbornistan.
I lived in west Michigan(and loved it...miss my friends) for 5 years.
I can't understand why they would vote democrat after their democratic governor raised taxes and destroyed their economy.

dbair1967
10-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Michigan has voted democrat because of the UAW and Dearbornistan.
I lived in west Michigan(and loved it...miss my friends) for 5 years.
I can't understand why they would vote democrat after their democratic governor raised taxes and destroyed their economy.

and the wonderful record of the now ex-mayor of Detroit

How can people in Michigan ignore all this?

MetalHead
10-02-2008, 10:01 PM
and the wonder record of the now ex-mayor of Detroit

How can people in Michigan ignore all this?


Simple.
Liberalism is a mental disorder

ThreeSportStar80
10-02-2008, 10:08 PM
http://www.nomaltbytrack.org/atv_wheels_off.jpg

:laugh2: :lmao:

REDVOLUTION
10-02-2008, 10:56 PM
he's going to win Ohio, Virginia and Nevada and I still think he'll probably win Iowa

PA is the make or break state for both guys...whoever wins that state is probably goign to win the election


I thought Ohio is make or break state. Didnt they say that the Repubs that have won Ohio have won Presidency. When they didnt win Ohio then they lost presidency.

I dont know how far back that goes. I think they mentioned back to Reagan days.

CanadianCowboysFan
10-03-2008, 12:33 AM
and the wonderful record of the now ex-mayor of Detroit

How can people in Michigan ignore all this?

for the same reason some working people vote Republican even though their interests tend to be with business owners rather than employees, some things just cannot be explained

ScipioCowboy
10-03-2008, 12:35 AM
Who's Michigan?
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I apologize profusely. I simply couldn't help myself.

CanadianCowboysFan
10-03-2008, 12:38 AM
Who's Michigan?
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I apologize profusely. I simply wouldn't help myself.


the thread headline is a tad misleading and for people who are either a sex addict or whose mind is in the gutter, we all think about the pull out connotation

I thought, ewww someone else gets on her back for that old fart

ScipioCowboy
10-03-2008, 12:43 AM
the thread headline is a tad misleading and for people who are either a sex addict or whose mind is in the gutter, we all think about the pull out connotation

I thought, ewww someone else gets on her back for that old fart

It's the problem with cable television at night. Here I am, watching a perfectly innocuous channel such as IFC, NFL Network, or AMC, and I am inundated with Girls Gone Wild commercials, sometimes two consecutively and at least one every thirty minutes.

CanadianCowboysFan
10-03-2008, 12:48 AM
It's the problem with cable television at night. Here I am, watching a perfectly innocuous channel such as IFC, NFL Network, or AMC, and I am inundated with Girls Gone Wild commercials, sometimes two consecutively and at least one every thirty minutes.

you make out like those commercials are somehow bad :eek:

ScipioCowboy
10-03-2008, 12:50 AM
you make out like those commercials are somehow bad :eek:

I'm convinced it's the steel drum music that makes them so irresistible.:p:

Beast_from_East
10-03-2008, 05:51 AM
he's going to win Ohio, Virginia and Nevada and I still think he'll probably win Iowa

PA is the make or break state for both guys...whoever wins that state is probably goign to win the election

Pennsylvania: Obama 54%, McCain 39%

Quinnipiac Poll, Oct 1st.



Doesnt look too good if you are a McCain guy.

NinePointOh
10-03-2008, 06:02 AM
He really just needs to win PA...if he does, game over for Obama

McCain is going to win Fl and Ohio

he's going to win Ohio, Virginia and Nevada and I still think he'll probably win Iowa

PA is the make or break state for both guys...whoever wins that state is probably goign to win the election

He better hope he wins Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, Florida, and Pennsylvania, because he's going to need every single one of them ... and he'll have to come from behind in each of them in order to win. I'm not sure your say-so is enough to carry those EVs.

Beast_from_East
10-03-2008, 06:34 AM
He better hope he wins Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, Florida, and Pennsylvania, because he's going to need every single one of them ... and he'll have to come from behind in each of them in order to win. I'm not sure your say-so is enough to carry those EVs.

Yea, kinda funny seeing all these McCain guys say its no big deal that he is pulling out of Michigan.

McCain basically has to win EVERY SWING STATE now in order to get to 270.

But is is no big deal:rolleyes:

NinePointOh
10-03-2008, 07:12 AM
Just for the sake of discussion, Electoral-Vote.com has Obama at 338 EVs right now. Now let's say McCain comes from behind and wins in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Those three huge swing states take Obama from 338 all the way down to ... 270.

dbair1967
10-03-2008, 12:11 PM
for the same reason some working people vote Republican even though their interests tend to be with business owners rather than employees, some things just cannot be explained

no business owners= no employees

I know this is a hard concept for liberals and socialists to grasp

Doomsday101
10-03-2008, 12:16 PM
no business owners= no employees

I know this is a hard concept for liberals and socialists to grasp

Very true, when you harm business you harm the workers. I know big business is the villain but that villain tends to pay better wages and they tend to have benefits that help American workers. Nail business to the wall and the only ones who get hurt are the American workers.

NinePointOh
10-03-2008, 12:47 PM
If only macroeconomics were that simple. It's not.