Biden/Palin Debate...

[trickblue]

Well... here we go...

[Danny White]

Did you hear her? "Can I call you Joe?" :laugh2:

[trickblue]

Well she wins the sexy outfit category... although Joe is looking dapper...

[trickblue]

Did you hear her? "Can I call you Joe?" :laugh2:

I did... he can be a personable guy... he said sure she could...

[Thanos68]

Can I call you Joe?? What an idiot she is...No call her Tyrone you idiot!!! :lmao2:

[Danny White]

Can I call you Joe?? What an idiot she is...No call her Tyrone you idiot!!! :lmao2:

Are you going to be crapping all over this thread all night long?

If so, I'll just "ignore" you now and be done with it.

[trickblue]

Can I call you Joe?? What an idiot she is...No call her Tyrone you idiot!!! :lmao2:

Geez... this is how you start here? :rolleyes:

Go ahead now and declare Biden the overwhelming winner...

It's a respect thing... "Can I call you ____"

Both are speaking very fast and sound nervous...

[Danny White]

Geez... this is how you start here? :rolleyes:

Go ahead now and declare Biden the overwhelming winner...

It's a respect thing... "Can I call you ____"

Both are speaking very fast and sound nervous...

I agree that she sounds nervous... she needs to relax. Easier said than done, I suppose. Biden sounds relaxed to me.

That last response was better.

[Achozen]

These people talk fast.

[MetalHead]

Can I call you Joe?? What an idiot she is...No call her Tyrone you idiot!!! :lmao2:

Son,if people think you are an idiot,keep your mouth shut.
Because if you talk,you may prove them right.

[trickblue]

Are you going to be crapping all over this thread all night long?

If so, I'll just "ignore" you now and be done with it.

I'll close it and give him a short vacation if need be...

We had good discussion the other night in the debate thread... don't be an arse...

[trickblue]

These people talk fast.

They sure do... I had mentioned that earlier...

They are either both nervous or plan on getting a heck of a lot of info in... :laugh2:

[Danny White]

I'll close it and give him a short vacation if need be...

We had good discussion the other night in the debate thread... don't be an arse...

Thanks.

Biden is very well prepared.

[Danny White]

I'm not sure how well all of her "folksiness" goes over. It's cute and personable, but I'm wondering if it's a bit too much.

[trickblue]

Thanks.

Biden is very well prepared.

She is relying on notes a lot right now. Joe is uncharacteristically gracious right now...

Substance is about even so far...

[Danny White]

She just went after the moderator a little bit. Might have been a little bit early for that.

[CowboyPrincess]

howdy y'all...

Though she sounds nervous, she sounds like she is holding her own at this point IMO

[trickblue]

I'm not sure how well all of her "folksiness" goes over. It's cute and personable, but I'm wondering if it's a bit too much.

Looks like she is going to go on her record as a governor/mayor... She is very popular as a governor, but it may not play out nationally...

Joe has slowed down...

[MetalHead]

Two perfect opportunities to bury him,and she passes.

[Danny White]

It might be a double standard here... but it sounds weird when he calls McCain "John" especially since he isn't there...

Now she calls him "Barack."


Great line on National Health Care there by Palin

[CowboyPrincess]

nobody is using the chat. why aren't we there discussing the debate?

[trickblue]

Both had a good run there...

[CowboyPrincess]

Nice shot by her on the healthcare plan...


"unless you are happy with the way government has been running things lately, it's a bad idea for this" ....... nice and with a smile

[trickblue]

Two perfect opportunities to bury him,and she passes.

I think she'll go on the attack later. From what we hear it's what she does...

Biden has to be careful about attacking. He's doing a good job of restraining himself thus far...

[MetalHead]

nobody is using the chat. why aren't we there discussing the debate?

The princess looks good.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Joe is doing a very good job... I'm impressed, he's smoking her..

[WoodysGirl]

Lil late to the party, how's the moderation going?

[Thanos68]

Joe is destroying her. She keeps trying to use these stupid little phrases..You Betcha..The soccer mom comment... The "It's been 5 weeks, I have made no promises" comment..she is getting buried. Anyone that would feel comfortable with her running the country is smoking crack.

[Danny White]

Lil late to the party, how's the moderation going?

She's actually been a little timid.

There hasn't been much of an opportunity for her to inject herself into the debate.

[trickblue]

Joe is doing a very good job... I'm impressed, he's smoking her..

I think it's pretty even thus far actually... lots of rhetoric right now...

[zrinkill]

Joe is doing a very good job... I'm impressed, he's smoking her..

You cannot really believe that ....

[theebs]

well there is her first east coast comment.

[trickblue]

Joe is destroying her. She keeps trying to use these stupid little phrases..You Betcha..The soccer mom comment... The "It's been 5 weeks, I have made no promises" comment..she is getting buried. Anyone that would feel comfortable with her running the country is smoking crack.

You are on thin ice, Ben...

As I said earlier we had a good thread and good debate the other night...

Don't ruin it for everyone...

[CowboyPrincess]

The princess looks good.


why thank you sir

[WoodysGirl]

She's actually been a little timid.

There hasn't been much of an opportunity for her to inject herself into the debate.
That's a good thing. She doesn't need to be the focus.

[CowboyPrincess]

That's a good thing. She doesn't need to be the focus.

I agree with you WG

[MetalHead]

Take the hockey gloves off Sarah!

[Danny White]

She's pummeling him on the global warming and energy/drilling issue.

Gwen had to pull her off... the pitbull had him by the throat.

[Achozen]

I just can't take Palin serious. I'm trying though, I really am...

[zrinkill]

That was a hard hit.

[Tennione72]

Did she just call him Senator O'Biden

[Signals]

Obiden... that didn't sound right.

[zrinkill]

She's pummeling him on the global warming and energy/drilling issue.

Yes she is.

[theebs]

oh this topic should be fun.

[Danny White]

She absolutely knocked that one out of the park.


Biden's answer can't make the Dem's base happy.

[zrinkill]

She is sticking to her guns ..... and made them look silly.

[theebs]

Politicians are terrified of saying anything negative of religous people. That is sad.

[Signals]

Biden you are pathetic lier.

[trickblue]

Biden needs to back off the the clean coal issue... Clinton is the one that made us a non-factor in that realm in Utah... Lippo is raking in the bucks on that one...

She is doing well on this one... both are doing a good job really... this is much more civil than I thought it would be...

[theebs]

She absolutely knocked that one out of the park.


Biden's answer can't make the Dem's base happy.

Not the way I took it. To me she looked like she knew she was lying, she was fighting back giggling while talking almost.

Not that anyone should expect her to support any of that.

[zrinkill]

Ouch .... using his words against him.

[Danny White]

Biden you are pathetic lier.

How so? Please elaborate.

[WoodysGirl]

Biden needs to back off the the clean coal issue... Clinton is the one that made us a non-factor in that realm in Utah... Lippo is raking in the bucks on that one...

She is doing well on this one... both are doing a good job really... this is much more civil than I thought it would be...
I think that's based on the structure of the debate.

[Danny White]

Not the way I took it. To me she looked like she knew she was lying, she was fighting back giggling while talking almost.

Not that anyone should expect her to support any of that.

I don't think she's lying... that's pretty much what her position was as Gov.

They both basically agree, but Biden's answer hurts him much more with his base.

[CowboyPrincess]

I like how she just said she was proud of him for opposing Obama


He is sounding a bit defensive to me

[Signals]

Just one thing.... idiot.

[Danny White]

Wow, she's really taking it to him.

[zrinkill]

Using his words against him again.

[Danny White]

And now he's going on the offensive... this is getting good.

[trickblue]

Just one thing.... idiot.

Let's keep this to the issues in this thread in regards to the debate...

We can rip them after the debate...

Civility is the order of this thread...

[CowboyPrincess]

He's starting to raise his voice, fumbling on his words and the look on his face is condescending

So far she is keeping her cool and keeping the smile and facial expressions friendly

[trickblue]

And now he's going on the offensive... this is getting good.

This may get good yet... :D

I like this debate and both are doing well IMHO...

[zrinkill]

They think like politicians ..... McCain thinks like a military man.

I cannot take Biden seriously when he is talking about the war effort.

[Danny White]

Good answer so far for Palin on an issue that is certainly her weakest suit.

Correction, extremely good answer. I don't know how deep her knowledge goes on foreign policy, but that answer was rock solid. Also good on how she jumped right in on the follow up question.


Also, she's using a lot less of the folksy quips.

[WoodysGirl]

This may get good yet... :D

I like this debate and both are doing well IMHO...
I agree with this.

She's doing very well, which I'm glad to see.

[Signals]

Yay Sarah!!!

[Thanos68]

This whole IRAQ being able to support itself is a freaking pipe dream and they know it. Once americans leave that place will be overrun by terrorists. The repubs keep using this "white flag" BS comment. Why do we even care if they can support themselves? We spend 10 billion a month there..for what? So they can support themselves? Lot of good that does me.

[Danny White]

I agree with this.

She's doing very well, which I'm glad to see.

She's really coming into her own as this goes along.


But wait, WG, I thought you had it in for Palin? ;)

[WoodysGirl]

I do like that they're keeping it about the actual presidential candidates.

[Signals]

NEVER sit with your adversary.

[Joe Realist]

There is no way Palin had a " conversation " with Henry Kissinger recently. Maybe he spoke to McCain or someone else, but she would not know what to ask.

[WoodysGirl]

She's really coming into her own as this goes along.


But wait, WG, I thought you had it in for Palin? ;)Just wait, I'll find another article that expresses my true feelings. :p:

[peplaw06]

This whole IRAQ being able to support itself is a freaking pipe dream and they know it. Once americans leave that place will be overrun by terrorists. The repubs keep using this "white flag" BS comment. Why do we even care if they can support themselves? We spend 10 billion a month there..for what? So they can support themselves? Lot of good that does me.Yeah so let's go topple a dictator so that Iraq can be a terrorist state. Sounds like a good outcome to the situation to me.

[trickblue]

I knew she would bring up the issue of him saying he would run with McCain...

He laughed it off... and frankly you know he wished he hadn't said it...

Obama really dropped the ball picking him in regards to philosophy...

She needs to go back to that to put him on the ropes...

He is doing what many predicted... attacking McCain and ignoring her... it's a good plan but you know he is chomping at the bit...

Both are keeping it close to the vest...

[zrinkill]

There is no way Palin had a " conversation " with Henry Kissinger recently. Maybe he spoke to McCain or someone else, but she would not know what to ask.

He met with her because he wanted too.

[CowboyPrincess]

She is doing much better than everyone expected. She is taking to the boys club there

[Danny White]

How long is this thing supposed to last?

[Thanos68]

Yeah so let's go topple a dictator so that Iraq can be a terrorist state. Sounds like a good outcome to the situation to me.

Iraq will always be a terrorist state unless we plan on staying there till the end of time. Face it. They outnumber us there. That will not change.

[zrinkill]

:laugh2:

She just scolded them

[CowboyPrincess]

Did y'all just hear that very loud inhale and exhale after she said she was glad to hear that the both loved Israel

[Danny White]

Biden just had a long, exasperated sigh into the mic. Stuff like that isn't good.

[trickblue]

There is no way Palin had a " conversation " with Henry Kissinger recently. Maybe he spoke to McCain or someone else, but she would not know what to ask.

Actually she did... it's been well documented...

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2008/09/custom_1222215751496_23palinkissinger.jpg

[theebs]

She is doing much better than everyone expected. She is taking to the boys club there


neither one of them have said anything of substance.

This is like listening to Jerry Jones talk about technical x's and o's issues the cowboys are struggling with.

I cant see how this debate could sway anyone to vote for or against either candidate.

[Danny White]

Actually she did... it's been well documented...

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/www.nationalpost.com/news/world/822041.bin?size=404x272

:muttley:

[Joe Realist]

Actually she did... it's been well documented...

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2008/09/custom_1222215751496_23palinkissinger.jpg
ok you guys are right, my bad.

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/26/1915994-palin-calls-henry-kissinger-naive

[Thanos68]

Biden just had a long, exasperated sigh into the mic. Stuff like that isn't good.

Agreed. When I go to vote..It's going to be the long sigh that pushed me towards Palin... :rolleyes:

[Danny White]

I cant see how this debate could sway anyone to vote for or against either candidate.

I agree with that.

[Maikeru-sama]

neither one of them have said anything of substance.

This is like listening to Jerry Jones talk about technical x's and o's issues the cowboys are struggling with.

I cant see how this debate could sway anyone to vote for or against either candidate.

:hammer:

And I turned it off when I heard Sarah Palin proclaim, "Reform is coming to the Government", which is pretty much BS!

[Achozen]

Did y'all just hear that very loud inhale and exhale after she said she was glad to hear that the both loved Israel
[Biden's mind]

:rolleyes:

[/Biden's mind]

[trickblue]

ok you guys are right, my bad.

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/26/1915994-palin-calls-henry-kissinger-naive

Hey... I still love ya... ;)

[Danny White]

Biden's starting to be Biden.

Also looking a lot angrier.



And another big sigh. Didn't he learn anything from Gore and his groans during the Bush debates?

[ninja]

Biden calls McCain his friend. After this debate, I doubt McCain ever talks to Biden. In fact, I wouldn't hold it against McCain if he punched Biden in the mouth for all his lies about McCain.

[ScipioCowboy]

ok you guys are right, my bad.

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/26/1915994-palin-calls-henry-kissinger-naive

Now, if you wish to contend that the conversation was incredibly one-sided, no one would challenge you.;)

[zrinkill]

She called him a liar ..... and he changed the subject ....

That does not look good for him at all.

[Danny White]

She called him a liar ..... and he changed the subject ....

That does not look good for him at all.

He's starting to get pissed. She looks more and more relaxed.

[ThreeSportStar80]

ok you guys are right, my bad.

http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/26/1915994-palin-calls-henry-kissinger-naive

:lmao2: Yeah she called him naive....WOW!

[Signals]

Bosnians not Bosniacs.

[ThreeSportStar80]

She called him a liar ..... and he changed the subject ....

That does not look good for him at all.


Please take the blinders off, Biden is killing her softly...:laugh2:

[theebs]

this is a bigger waste of time than I even thought. I have to go watch the dodgers game.

[Danny White]

Wow... killing him with a smile.

[WoodysGirl]

Please take the blinders off, Biden is killing her softly...:laugh2:
Uh, no, he's not.

[ScipioCowboy]

Please take the blinders off, Biden is killing her softly...:laugh2:

Yes...with his deadly sighs into the microphone.:D

[Joe Realist]

washington outsider she said. hmm one hearbeat away......

actually she is holding her own, somewhat

[trickblue]

:hammer:

And I turned it off when I heard Sarah Palin proclaim, "Reform is coming to the Government", which is pretty much BS!

I can agree with you in the respect that the VP is largely nothing unless the president dies or is assassinated...

I don't like McCain too much... that is documented here, but Ms. Palin has a history of reform against dems and repubs...

I don't know if she is qualified, but then again I'm not sure our resident Washington Insiders are are qualified...

I hate a damn politician... I like kick-arse chicks though... :D

We ALL clamor for a "joe-six-pack" in the Whitehouse... but we hate her?

[Danny White]

Please take the blinders off, Biden is killing her softly...:laugh2:

You've gotta be kidding me. You may agree with him on the issues, but he hasn't had her on the ropes since the first 10 minutes of this thing.

She's challenged him directly about half a dozen times since then and he's either not responded or been limp.

[CowboyPrincess]

He's looking very uncomfortable... shifting back and forth, wiping his brow, and getting angry... it's like he is wanting to yell... he gets louder and louder through his statements

[Joe Realist]

You know it's Cowboy season when 35 people are viewing this forum and 233 are in the fan zone! :rolleyes:

[Bizwah]

:hammer:

And I turned it off when I heard Sarah Palin proclaim, "Reform is coming to the Government", which is pretty much BS!

That's true.

Looks like Obama's going to win...no reform there.

[Hostile]

Did Biden just say if he has to assume the Presidency it would be a National tragedy?

[Joe Realist]

I did like when she called him " O'Biden " earlier!

[zrinkill]

Please take the blinders off, Biden is killing her softly...:laugh2:


Take off the binders?

She called him a liar ..... and he changed the subject.

I see you are the same on this forum as you are in the football one.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow, this debate needs to end now...

[WoodysGirl]

That's true.

Looks like Obama's going to win...no reform there.
It really wouldn't matter who won, not alot of reform/change or whatever the latest buzz word is going to happen.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Uh, no, he's not.

Yeah look at the polls three days from now...

[zrinkill]

Wow, this debate needs to end now...


That would be best for your boy.

[Danny White]

I did like when she called him " O'Biden " earlier!

Not as bad as when Obama called McCain "Tom" during their debate.


For this most recent question... he didn't answer it and she did (about something they disagree with the top of the ticket on).

[dbair1967]

She's handling herself and Biden quite well.

Sorry libs...

[zrinkill]

Did Biden just say if he has to assume the Presidency it would be a National tragedy?


:lmao2:

[WoodysGirl]

Did Biden just say if he has to assume the Presidency it would be a National tragedy?
Yeah, because it would only come if something bad happened to Obama.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Did Biden just say if he has to assume the Presidency it would be a National tragedy?

Yes if something were to happen to Obama...

[WoodysGirl]

Yeah look at the polls three days from now...

We're talking about the Biden/Palin debate, not the actual election. Keep up.

This thread is about the content of the debate.

[Hostile]

Yeah, because it would only come if something bad happened to Obama.

Yes if something were to happen to Obama...
Not the way I'd begin the answer.

[Danny White]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm not a liberal... Joe is painting a very good picture of linking McCain/Palin with the Bush administration.

[theebs]

Take off the binders?

She called him a liar ..... and he changed the subject.

I see you are the same on this forum as you are in the football one.

He looks like to me, he is just trying to remain level and calm. It looked like he wants to avoid personal insults like that. He has been more complimentary to her.

Its funny how the people in here who will vote for palin act like she is right on every issue!!

No one on this board except for maybe two people are voting for obama and I dont think they are in here, if they were I am sure they would say he is winning.

That is the point. These debates are a waste of time. Everyone has a slanted look at each person before they turn on the tv.

And I find it absolutely hillarious that mcain and palin act like they dont have to answer for anything bush has done, I mean its their party. Its comical to me that she just shruggs off the last 8 years like your not able to comment on it.

[WoodysGirl]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?
She has personality and a great camera presence.

Biden looks very dull/plain next to her, even tho his actual comments aren't all that bad.

[Achozen]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?
Oh gee, say it ain't so Danny...

:rolleyes:

[ThreeSportStar80]

We're talking about the Biden/Palin debate, not the actual election. Keep up.

This thread is about the content of the debate.

Keep up? I probably have more degrees than most of you on this board...

Anyway, if you think this debate won't have an effect on the polls you're kidding yourself..

[theebs]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?


To me she still comes off as arrogant and above actually talking about stuff. She just is a good talker, but she doesnt say much at all.

[EveryoneElse]

Palin is very good at this. She looks more a lot more comfy up there.

[WoodysGirl]

Keep up? I have probably more degrees than most of you on this board...

Anyway, if you think this debate won't have an effect on the polls you're kidding yourself..Your educational creds mean nothing in the context of this thread.

As for whether it has an effect on the polls, I doubt it. It's good for discussions, that's about it.

[Bizwah]

I can agree with you in the respect that the VP is largely nothing unless the president dies or is assassinated...

I don't like McCain too much... that is documented here, but Ms. Palin has a history of reform against dems and repubs...

I don't know if she is qualified, but then again I'm not sure our resident Washington Insiders are are qualified...
I hate a damn politician... I like kick-arse chicks though... :D

We ALL clamor for a "joe-six-pack" in the Whitehouse... but we hate her?

Absolutely she's qualified. She's 35+, born in the US, and she's lived in the US for 14 years.

Just kidding.

You know, I laugh when folks talk about "experience".

Experience in what?

I'm not sure "Washington" experience is what's needed. We've been so partisan the last 20 or so years.....It's not going to change if we keep electing these hacks.

It's really a slippery slope. Yeah, there may be some danger in electing an "outsider".....mostly with foreign policies....

Oh well........

[Hostile]

She has personality and a great camera presence.

Biden looks very dull/plain next to her, even tho his actual comments aren't all that bad.I like him though. I knew very little about him beyond the talking points.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

I'd say you're crazy but not just solely because of that comment...;)

[Danny White]

To me she still comes off as arrogant and above actually talking about stuff. She just is a good talker, but she doesnt say much at all.

Fair enough. I'm clearly a supporter of hers, but I thought she started off shaky but has done very well since then. But like I said, I'm biased.

Biden did well on that VP question, though.

So did she.

[ScipioCowboy]

Keep up? I probably have more degrees than most of you on this board...

Anyway, if you think this debate won't have an effect on the polls you're kidding yourself..

I'll bite.

What are the natures of your degrees?

[Bizwah]

It really wouldn't matter who won, not alot of reform/change or whatever the latest buzz word is going to happen.

Yeah.......that was a joke....

Apparently a lame one since no one got it.

[CowboyPrincess]

Keep up? I have probably more degrees than most of you on this board...

Anyway, if you think this debate won't have an effect on the polls you're kidding yourself..


Who cares...

What do your degree's have to do with our take on how this debate is going?

I personally know that several of us in here have degree's and that doesn't mean squat on this thread

I know people with multiple degrees and one with a masters that can't think their way through a paper bag when it comes to politics

[WoodysGirl]

I like him though. I knew very little about him beyond the talking points.
Oh don't misunderstood what I'm saying. He's not doing badly, IMO.

It's just that it's the same contrast one could see when looking at McCain vs Obama.

Their age tends to stand out when standing next to their youthful opponent.

[EveryoneElse]

Your educational creds mean nothing in the context of this thread.

As for whether it has an effect on the polls, I doubt it. It's good for discussions, that's about it.

Stay tuned if you don't think this debate is going to generate 2-4 percentage points one way or the other. It absolutely will.

[zrinkill]

Keep up? I probably have more degrees than most of you on this board...

:lmao:

Man ........ there is one on every board.

[dacarmelking210]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

Really?

She won it for me when she kept dodging the question about regulation.

She said nothing of substance all night; she kept using those stupid, juvenile one liners to make up for the fact that she had nothing.

Two months ago, I was set on voting for McCain. Now, I can't see any way that I can.

[Danny White]

:lmao:

Man ........ there is one on every board.

My dad can beat up your dad.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Man Sen. Biden is killing the McCain/Palin campaign by linking them to Bush.

[WoodysGirl]

:lmao:

Man ........ there is one on every board.
Indeed there is... :laugh2:

[dbair1967]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

no, she is doing extremely well.

[Doomsday]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

We must both be crazy because I think she is owning him as well.

[Nors]

Sarah Palin relates more to the average American. Biden is the classic 35 year old old school politician.

[Danny White]

Really?

She won it for me when she kept dodging the question about regulation.

She said nothing of substance all night; she kept using those stupid, juvenile one liners to make up for the fact that she had nothing.

Two months ago, I was set on voting for McCain. Now, I can't see any way that I can.

Have you been watching the debate since the first 10 minutes?

She started off poorly and did dodge that question, but she's been very good since then.

[Hostile]

Oh don't misunderstood what I'm saying. He's not doing badly, IMO.

It's just that it's the same contrast one could see when looking at McCain vs Obama.

Their age tends to stand out when standing next to their youthful opponent.I like the cranky old guys.

[dbair1967]

I'm not a liberal... Joe is painting a very good picture of linking McCain/Palin with the Bush administration.

not really...alot of what he said wasnt true

[theebs]

I would say he just whipped her tail on the experience question.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Really?

She won it for me when she kept dodging the question about regulation.

She said nothing of substance all night; she kept using those stupid, juvenile one liners to make up for the fact that she had nothing.

Two months ago, I was set on voting for McCain. Now, I can't see any way that I can.

:laugh2: Wow... just wow. I couldn't have stated it any better.

[dbair1967]

To me she still comes off as arrogant and above actually talking about stuff. She just is a good talker, but she doesnt say much at all.

wow, couldnt disagree more

she looks extremely genuine up there and everytime she speaks publicly

[zrinkill]

Indeed there is... :laugh2:

I bet he is a super agent/astronaut/cowboy/ninja/supermodel also.

[Tennione72]

How many times is she gonna say Maverick

[theebs]

wow, couldnt disagree more

she looks extremely genuine up there and everytime she speaks publicly


Her whole basis was she is a mom with a special needs child and kid in iraq.

And he has virtually the same thing and finally someone said A father can raise children too. Thats a winner for me.

[WoodysGirl]

One thing I don't like is the straight hijacking of the change mantra. Call Obama's change mantra fluff, but when you begin using it as your own that makes me cringe.

Come up with your own mantra.

[Bizwah]

Have you been watching the debate since the first 10 minutes?

She started off poorly and did dodge that question, but she's been very good since then.

Yeah, she dodged the question.....but he has a couple of times too.

Actually, I didn't know a whole lot about Biden. I've been fairly impressed with him. I actually think he's a good speaker. Not dynamic.....but solid.

[Achozen]

wow, couldnt disagree more

she looks extremely genuine up there and everytime she speaks publicly
Does that have anything to do with her sounding like a mom at a PTA meeting?

[ologan]

I'll bite.

What are the natures of your degrees?

Any response there,Three Sports? We'll let you brag if you want.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow, ouch. Somebody please tell Biden to lay off, he's hitting a homerun thus far.

[zrinkill]

wow, couldnt disagree more

she looks extremely genuine up there and everytime she speaks publicly

Exactly.

What is happening is that all week long Obama supporters have been thinking Biden was gonna wipe the floor with her.

She came out was nervous for about 5 minutes .... and then tore into him.

They are in shock.

[CowboyPrincess]

Biden is due to go off on a tirade any time now

look at his face... wow! he's all red and you can see it in his eyes

good thing this thing is about to end.. he looks like his blood pressure is dangerously high

[theebs]

Biden is due to go off on a tirade any time now

look at his face... wow! he's all red and you can see it in his eyes

good thing this thing is about to end.. he looks like his blood pressure is dangerously high


Maybe he just has to take a wizz.

[punchnjudy]

+1 for cranky old guys.

Biden would be scoring a lot higher if he didn't have to dodge his past opinions about Obama. I think he's performed better than Obama overall.

[Tennione72]

One thing I don't like is the straight hijacking of the change mantra. Call Obama's change mantra fluff, but when you begin using it as your own that makes me cringe.

Come up with your own mantra.

Swagger Jacking

[theebs]

Exactly.

What is happening is that all week long Obama supporters have been thinking Biden was gonna wipe the floor with her.

She came out was nervous for about 5 minutes .... and then tore into him.

They are in shock.

Why would anyone be in shock? Neither one of them have said anything.

She talks in circles and he only talks about mcain.

[Nors]

this moderator is pro Biden -

[Bizwah]

I would say he just whipped her tail on the experience question.

Imagine that

[Danny White]

Ifill's been very fair... I'll definitely give her that. She's been a total non-issue.

[dbair1967]

Wow, ouch. Somebody please tell Biden to lay off, he's hitting a homerun thus far.

yeah, a HR for McCain

[TheCount]

Why would anyone be in shock? Neither one of them have said anything.

She talks in circles and he only talks about mcain.
Give this man a cigar.

[zrinkill]

Why would anyone be in shock? Neither one of them have said anything.

She talks in circles and he only talks about mcain.

This is not what Obama supporters expected. How can I make it any plainer?

[ThreeSportStar80]

Why does she sound like a teacher talking to 1st graders? ***

[CowboyPrincess]

Ifill's been very fair... I'll definitely give her that. She's been a total non-issue.

I was just thinking the same thing... she has definitely been very alert and careful

[dbair1967]

This is not what Obama supporters expected. How can I make it any plainer?

now they will spin it and say it never mattered to them

[zrinkill]

Ifill's been very fair... I'll definitely give her that. She's been a total non-issue.

Yup.

But I wonder if she would have been if her book had not been pointed out.

[theebs]

This is not what Obama supporters expected. How can I make it any plainer?


I am curious did you expect biden to come out screaming and bringing up abortion issues or something?

[Bizwah]

Why would anyone be in shock? Neither one of them have said anything.

She talks in circles and he only talks about mcain.

Well........you know...John McCain is his good friend

[Thanos68]

You've gotta be kidding me. You may agree with him on the issues, but he hasn't had her on the ropes since the first 10 minutes of this thing.

She's challenged him directly about half a dozen times since then and he's either not responded or been limp.

He just rubbed her face in dog ish with his whole Maverick Tirade...Way to Go Joe!!!!!!

[dbair1967]

Why does she sound like a teacher talking to 1st graders? ***

why are liberals so blind?

[zrinkill]

I am curious did you expect biden to come out screaming and bringing up abortion issues or something?

Nope ..... expected him to do exactly what he did .... he as always reminded me of a divorce lawyer.

[WoodysGirl]

Yup.

But I wonder if she would have been if her book had not been pointed out.
Maybe, I'm naive, but I feel like she wouldn't have been selected if she didn't have the capability to be fair and balanced.

I like the fact that her presence is a non-issue.

[CowboyPrincess]

Why does she sound like a teacher talking to 1st graders? ***


Maybe because that might be what it takes to get some people to listen and understand whats happening.

She is talking too, not over

I've watched debates in the past were the candidates spent so much time using big words that they lost the attention of the masses that were watching

[zrinkill]

He just rubbed her face in dog ish with his whole Maverick Tirade...Way to Go Joe!!!!!!


Dog ish?

[Thanos68]

Keep up? I probably have more degrees than most of you on this board...

Anyway, if you think this debate won't have an effect on the polls you're kidding yourself..

George Bush has a degree from Yale. Shows you how much degrees actually mean. All a degree means is you spent a bunch of money and buried your face in some books for awhile. Big deal. Want a cookie?

[WoodysGirl]

Swagger Jacking
So you peeped that, too? ;)

[ScipioCowboy]

Y'know...

When I watch these debates, I seldom come away thinking any candidate has scored any type of victory or suffered any type of loss (with the notable exception of Bush's first debate against Kerry when Bush repeated the line "it's hard work" about 1 million times; of course, Bush's loss was more his own fault than Kerry's doing). Both candidates normally make good points, and both normally flounder in certain areas.

I can only answer the win/loss question by gauging the reaction of people on both ends of the political spectrum, and I must say, on this board tonight, the Palin supporters seem elated while the Biden supporters seem a trifle flustered.

Consequently, judging solely by the reaction on this board, I'm inclined to think Palin has performed better than Biden.

[Thanos68]

why are liberals so blind?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Republicans. :rolleyes:

[Nors]

That debate was a tie -

Thats a win for Palin

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow, nice job by both of them...

They actually had a civil debate.

[WoodysGirl]

Y'know...

When I watch these debates, I seldom come away thinking any candidate has scored any type of victory or suffered any type of loss (with the notable exception of Bush's first debate against Kerry when Bush repeated the line "it's hard work" about 1 million times; of course, Bush's loss was more his own fault than Kerry's doing). Both candidates normally make good points, and both normally flounder in certain areas.

I can only answer the win/loss question by gauging the reaction of people on both ends of the political spectrum, and I must say, on this board tonight, the Palin supporters seem elated while the Biden supporters seem a trifle flustered.

Consequently, judging solely by the reaction on this board, I'm inclined to think Palin has performed better than Biden.I think as far as content, I think it's a draw.

Palin impressed because she didn't come across as a boob. She presented herself like she belonged on the stage and not some happy to be there, hockey mom.

[TheCount]

Yup.

But I wonder if she would have been if her book had not been pointed out.

Yes, because her job is to be a moderator and she is a professional. She isn't Keith Olbermann or Rush Limbaugh, getting paid to be sensational.

[Hostile]

Ifill's been very fair... I'll definitely give her that. She's been a total non-issue.Confession time. The ONLY reason I watched this debate was because of the fears that she was going to be very partisan. I hate these things.

I thought she was a great moderator.

I did not know much about Biden. I like him now. I mean I really like him.

I do think she did better than him in the debates though. She came across as more honest and less political and I think we need that.

His experience impressed me. His focus on McCain = Bush was a turn off. That's a typical political scare tactic. I am tired of those.

[Nors]

The mainstream media is so biased. Goes back to Dan Rather in the 2000 election actually saying as a swing state went Republican, We just lost that state and was visibly upset.

[dbair1967]

George Bush has a degree from Yale. Shows you how much degrees actually mean. All a degree means is you spent a bunch of money and buried your face in some books for awhile. Big deal. Want a cookie?

at least he didnt have to cheat his way through his ivy league school, like a prominant democrat in the senate did

[Hostile]

Wow, nice job by both of them...

They actually had a civil debate.

Kind of cool wasn't it?

[Big Dakota]

Kind of cool wasn't it?


And they bashed BO for agreeing with JM, like being agreeable is a bad thing.

[hairic]

That literally bored me out of my mind. I think I stopped thinking about 20mins into it. I should have listened to the debate and watched the game.

[Thanos68]

at least he didnt have to cheat his way through his ivy league school, like a prominant democrat in the senate did

How do you know?

[Hostile]

And they bashed BO for agreeing with JM, like being agreeable is a bad thing.I did? When?

[Danny White]

Luntz's group of "undecideds" thought Palin dominated.

[Hoofbite]

I didn't get to catch the whole thing. Only really saw that last few minutes of it so I don't know how each did.

This thread seems to think she did very well and I hope she did. Not that I support either side but just the fact that she could seriously be President before the next vote. I don't care what party gets voted in, I just want someone who does a good job.

[CowboyPrincess]

All in all I think she did well

I didn't see a clear winner on point but I think she came off better than the dems wanted her to.

She went toe to toe with Biden and came out smelling like a rose. kept her composure and came off friendly and confident especially further into the debate.

Biden on the other hand made me tense up with his body language and vocal style. He reminded me of someone that was warning you not to piss him off or he was gonna beat the hell out of you...

[Big Dakota]

I did? When?


didn't know you went by the handle "they"

[trickblue]

Why does she sound like a teacher talking to 1st graders? ***

Maybe she is trying to teach us something?

[EveryoneElse]

Why does she sound like a teacher talking to 1st graders? ***

Because most Americans don't have multiple degrees........

[trickblue]

All in all I think she did well

I didn't see a clear winner on point but I think she came off better than the dems wanted her to.

She went toe to toe with Biden and came out smelling like a rose. kept her composure and came off friendly and confident especially further into the debate.

Biden on the other hand made me tense up with his body language and vocal style. He reminded me of someone that was warning you not to piss him off or he was gonna beat the hell out of you...

I took it as a draw...

Both came off pretty well... Biden came off as a human... Palin came off pretty well...

[Maikeru-sama]

I can agree with you in the respect that the VP is largely nothing unless the president dies or is assassinated...

I don't like McCain too much... that is documented here, but Ms. Palin has a history of reform against dems and repubs...

I don't know if she is qualified, but then again I'm not sure our resident Washington Insiders are are qualified...

I hate a damn politician... I like kick-arse chicks though... :D

We ALL clamor for a "joe-six-pack" in the Whitehouse... but we hate her?

Sorry Trickblue but neither an Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin Presidency will bring about reform in government.

You know that and I know that.

[dbair1967]

Because most Americans don't have multiple degrees........

and if we keep going down the government run education road we're on now, not many Americans will have degrees of any kind

[Maikeru-sama]

I took it as a draw...

Both came off pretty well... Biden came off as a human... Palin came off pretty well...

I agree.

The bar was extremely low for Sarah Palin and she did a good job, even though I think alot of it was scripted and cliff-notish (even the talibani blurb :p: ).

Joe Biden did a decent job, but came off annoyed at times but the guy had to walk a real fine line given who his opponent was.

Personally, if Barack Obama died or John McCain died (god forbid), I would be a little bit more comfortable with Joe Biden running the country than Sarah Palin.

[dbair1967]

Sorry Trickblue but neither an Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin Presidency will bring about reform in government.

You know that and I know that.

I think M&P would push for it alot more, but the only people who can bring true reform to our government are the one's going to the polls every November. Unless people wake up and quit doing the same 'ol same 'ol, nothing will ever change.

It's so obvious that the people in office dont give a flying crap about what really happens, all they care about is conitnuing to get their free ride in DC.

There are people on both sides who CLEARLY should be voted out, yet too many Americans wont do whats necessary to make it happen. Some because of stupidity, some becaus of laziness.

[Sasquatch]

I'm not sure how well all of her "folksiness" goes over. It's cute and personable, but I'm wondering if it's a bit too much.

Appeared a bit contrived at times but reporters say this is how she speaks on the stump.

[Hostile]

didn't know you went by the handle "they"I have no idea what you are talking about. I apologize, but I am not plugged into the political infighting. I avoid it like the plague.

[trickblue]

Sorry Trickblue but neither an Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin Presidency will bring about reform in government.

You know that and I know that.

I wasn't pretending to think so....

The two party system is the problem... I get SO sick of this... all of them should be shot...

I probably will be contacted soon as to banning myself... :D

[Sasquatch]

She just went after the moderator a little bit. Might have been a little bit early for that.

A preemptive strike that wasn't really called for at that point or afterward.

[Danny White]

A preemptive strike that wasn't really called for at that point or afterward.

She didn't go back to it, and it was pretty minor.

At the time I thought it might be a sign of things to come, but it wasn't.

[Sasquatch]

well there is her first east coast comment.

Her whole persona is culture war personified but she pulls it off with sweetness and good humor.

[Big Dakota]

I have no idea what you are talking about. I apologize, but I am not plugged into the political infighting. I avoid it like the plague.


I was referring to the whole BO "I agree with JM" thing in the first debate. Surely you are aware of that?

If not. my bad.

[Maikeru-sama]

Larry Kudlow feels Sarah Palin did enough and won the debate because it was at least a tie.

David Gergen feels Joe Biden did an excellent job and showed a more human side.

[Sasquatch]

I cant see how this debate could sway anyone to vote for or against either candidate.

And with the electoral map narrowing for McCain you have to say the debate outcome favors the Obama camp.

I do think it will stop the questions about Palin's intelligence and political savvy, however, despite the fact that she was more style than substance.

[Sasquatch]

Bosnians not Bosniacs.

Caught that as well.

[trickblue]

I think it will be partisan...

Neither won... they both did well...

Definitely no clear winner...

Let the MSM weigh in...

[Big Dakota]

I think it will be partisan...

Neither won... they both did well...

Definitely no clear winner...

Let the MSM weigh in...


Yep, they both showed well and in the end i doubt this has much affect on 11-4.

[Sasquatch]

Am I crazy to think she's dominating this debate?

Yes, it was a draw overall.

But if you judge according to who actually responded to the questions posed and who demonstrated greater mastery of policy detail, I think you have to give the nod to Biden.

[Sasquatch]

She just is a good talker, but she doesnt say much at all.

Precisely.

[burmafrd]

Paline laid the obama campaigns try at discrediting her to rest and that was very important. So from that point of view she won.

[Dallas]

Precisely.


Oh but Obama and Biden are just FULL of answers and substance.

Obama is the best TALKER of the entire bunch. :rolleyes:


Precisely, the best talker.

[Sasquatch]

Paline laid the obama campaigns try at discrediting her to rest and that was very important.

Agreed but Biden avoided making major mistakes and reaffirmed his superior command of policy details, therefore, I score it a draw.

It's not a game changer which is bad for McCain.

[Hostile]

I was referring to the whole BO "I agree with JM" thing in the first debate. Surely you are aware of that?

If not. my bad.I apologize, I am not. I didn't watch the first debate and did not read about it. Not even the threads here. As I said, I really abhor political infighting and try to avoid it.

[burmafrd]

Actualy it could be a game changer with all the effort obama has put into trying to knock her off. Now they have to come up with a new game plan and that is risky.

[adamc91115]

Actualy it could be a game changer with all the effort obama has put into trying to knock her off. Now they have to come up with a new game plan and that is risky.

Thats the thing...

What they were doing was starting to work with those leaning towards McCain... I think she stopped that trend and possibly reversed it tonight. The enthusiasm towards her being on the ticket is definitely back.

[Maikeru-sama]

Paline laid the obama campaigns try at discrediting her to rest and that was very important. So from that point of view she won.

Who is Paline?

And even conservatives have agreed that she has not looked great in her interviews.

She did wonderful, but I doubt she makes a dramatic impact on the outcome of the election.

[trickblue]

Who is Paline?

And even conservatives have agreed that she has not looked great in her interviews.

She did wonderful, but I doubt she makes a dramatic impact on the outcome of the election.

Well the Obama campaign has made her an issue... big time...

She did come off well tonight but Biden did too... it was a tie...

[adamc91115]

LMAO... These results are so funny among networks.

Fox News - 86% Palin, 12% Biden
MSNBC - 53% Biden, 37% Palin
CBS - 46% Biden, 21% Palin

[Sasquatch]

Now they have to come up with a new game plan and that is risky.

Not really, they just need to keep hammering away on the economy and McCain as a continuation of the Bush administration. Palin isn't the central front of this battle but a secondary one.

[Hostile]

Not really, they just need to keep hammering away on the economy and McCain as a continuation of the Bush administration. Palin isn't the central front of this battle but a secondary one.I think that will backfire badly.

[punchnjudy]

LMAO... These results are so funny among networks.

Fox News - 86% Palin, 12% Biden
MSNBC - 53% Biden, 37% Palin
CBS - 46% Biden, 21% Palin

That is funny.

I don't think we'll ever know the debate's impact on the polls (if they mean anything anyway) because tomorrow's events and what happens with our economy thereafter will have a much bigger impact on the election imo.

[Sasquatch]

I think that will backfire badly.

I disagree and think it's the surest way to victory. The polls appear to bear this out as does the McCain campaign's decision to adopt the mantle of change for itself and emphasize the ticket's maverick image. Notice that Palin essentially threw the administration under the bus tonight when talking about blunders.

[adamc91115]

That is funny.

I don't think we'll ever know the debate's impact on the polls (if they mean anything anyway) because tomorrow's events and what happens with our economy thereafter will have a much bigger impact on the election imo.

The thing I will say...

Fox had a pollster Frank Luntz on after the debate. He had a group of completely independent people. Everyone in the group agreed that Palin won the debate.

And before someone cries bias... His other independent group thought Obama won the last debate.

[Maikeru-sama]

Interesting.

One of the pundits on CNN said that regardless of the outcome of this election, Sarah Palin is definately a candiate for 2012 because of how she did in the debate.

[ChldsPlay]

Great Job by Sarah. Biden wasn't as horrible as I thought he'd be, but she kicked his *** a few times tonight, and she got stronger as she went along.

I only wish there had been a point where she could have said, "Joe, there is one thing we agree on. Hillary Clinton WOULD have been a better choice for Vice President than you."

[Maikeru-sama]

I disagree and think it's the surest way to victory. The polls appear to bear this out as does the McCain campaign's decision to adopt the mantle of change and emphasize the ticket's maverick image.

And all McCain has to do is talk about how much the goverment is going to be spending with an economy on the brink of a serious recession if you get an Obama Presidency and a Democratically controlled Congress :cool: .

I'm an independent and the thought of that is kind of scary.

[REDVOLUTION]

Palin called him on his flip flopping.
She called him on the negatives that he pointed out about Obama in the primaries and then said "its different for you now"

lol

5 weeks vs 35 years = Palin won

[Sasquatch]

And all McCain has to do is talk about how much the goverment is going to be spending with an economy on the brink of a serious recession if you get an Obama Presidency and a Democratically controlled Congress :cool: .

I'm an independent and the thought of that is kind of scary.

I was surprised that Biden didn't challenge Palin's claim that tax cuts produce jobs by citing recent trends in unemployment.

[EveryoneElse]

I was surprised that Biden didn't challenge Palin's claim that tax cuts produce jobs by citing recent trends in unemployment.


Tax cuts would produce jobs.....take it from someone that owns a business. I could employee another 10-15 people at $20 an hour a piece, if taxes on my business were cut in half.

[Jarv]

I was surprised that Biden didn't challenge Palin's claim that tax cuts produce jobs by citing recent trends in unemployment.

And I'm surprised that Sarah didn't point out Biden has been in Washington for 35 years now... and its a complete mess. So Joe, are you insignificant or incompetent ?

[Maikeru-sama]

And I'm surprised that Sarah didn't point out Biden has been in Washington for 35 years now... and its a complete mess. So Joe, are you insignificant or incompetent ?

John McCain is not exactly new to Washington either.

[Heisenberg]

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