Your perspective on Parcells

[MeanandGreen]

Certainly one of the most interesting stories in the NFL has been how the Cowboys could go from 10 - 6 to this type of season and just how Parcell's (an undoubted HOF coah) can sound so out of sorts.

So, my question is where do you feel the blame belongs? Players? Coaches? Do you see how it can be fixed ... next year? two years? I know that as fans of the cowboys most of you tend to have more insight than any media "analysts" out there who are not as vested.

[Bababooey]

I think he's way overrated.

Overnight he has turned us into one of the most old, untalented and boring teams Ive ever witnessed.

I personally cant wait until he leaves.

[Eddie]

I think the blame belongs to Jerry Jones for ten years worth of horrible drafts, and on injuries which have decimated this team.

BP can only do so much with what he has. We actually scored 21 points last night ... last year, we would have won.

[jacs]

the two of them share half the blame and the other half is because of injuries since we dont have much depth and some key guys out for the year something that we didnt get last year

[Aikmaniac]

As bad as it looks...with two decent draft picks and an awesome FA period, this team can turn it around next season if JuJo and Drew turn out to be building blocks.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The whole front office should shoulder some of the blame for the offseason moves and lack of offseason moves.

This was a FO (JJ and BP , pick which one) who did not want to overspend or even spend in a competative way with the rest of the league...they were looking for bargins.

Furthermore I believe they thought that last years lack of injuries was going to be a norm of somekind with better conditioning....When instead last year was a FLUKE in terms of lack of injuries.


Furthermore I think Bill needs to lose more weight or wear a girdle and/or training bra to keep those mantits in order. :p

[Juke99]

I have a good friend who is the biggest Giant fan that ever walked the planet...has been for 25-30 years...

He emailed me today on this very subject...I'll post his feelings...

"I swear Bill is having ameltdown. I really feel bad for him, but he's largely to blame. He's atthe Jimmy Johnson stage of his career where he thinks he's bigger than thegame...and he's not.

All these coaches egos are so big. Look at Gibbs.
I'm glad he's fallen on his face too. I love Vinny, but it's time for
Henson. At least get him experience for next year. And would it kill Bill
to not sign one of his old players. My God, they're all 87 years old and not
good anymore. Who didn't see Terry Glenn going down with an injury?
And what's up with Roy Williams?? These guys have taken a huge step back. And I don't think Bill has the horses for next year. No young guns. He's in trouble.
And he's too stubborn to realize it.

It's a shame. Because at one time, he did take the young guns and throw
them to the fire (see: Curtis Martin as a rookie; Bavaro; Bledsoe, etc). At
some point, he lost his mind. He left his wife. He dyed his hair. He
started going on 60 Minutes. It's all bad, bad, bad. But the real issue?
He doesn't have ANY of his old assistant coached. HUGE, huge void."


Just one guy's opinion. Not too far from what I feel...

[MeanandGreen]

He may have stated right when he said that the biggest hole on the team is that BP is missing his assistant coaches.

[Mayhem]

Wake up people and think.

The blame doesnt really belong anywhere...

They lost people due to injury, FA, and QC to drugs.

This is a totally different team from last year.

QB = different (Should of been QC, not cause I like him just cause it made the most sense)

RB = different (JJ injured)
RT = different
RG= different
Center = different
WR = different (KJ)
WR = different (PC, QM)
FB = different
TE= 1/2 different

Ok so ever position except for LG, LT, and TE are totally new players either due to injury, someone coming back from injury, or FA.


Defense

RCB = different Down to like PS guys here Frazier
FS = different Down to 2nd string here dixon
LB=half the time its a 2nd yr James
LB= part time rookie Thorton
DT1=different Down to PS guys here Claybrook
DE1=different Wiley
rotation different

Almost half our defense is different.


This team is totally different then last years team...And guess what this combo doesnt work as well as last years combo. Not suprising because alot are PS players, rookies, and 2nd stringers.

So please just start using your heads and pls cut down on the drama.

And guess what? Next years team isnt gonna look like this years, People will comeback from Injury, we will have a draft, and go thru FA again.

I know its not as fun as whining, but if you think for a second you will see this team is being setup for the next couple years.

Offense
qb = young (henson)
rb = young (jones)
center = young (johnson)
RT = young
RG = young
LG = old (allen)
LT = middle (adams)
FB = young (barnes)
WR = old (key)
WR = old (glenn)
WR = young (morgan)
TE = young (witten)

defense
RC = young (hunter, frazier)
LC = young (newman)
SS = young (williams)
FS = young (dixon)
LB = young (thorton)
LB = middle (dat)
LB = young (james)
DE = middle (ellis)
DT = old (glover)
DT = young (carson)
DE = middle (wiley)


So next year look at the youth plus we might have 2 #1 to throw in there and other draft picks.

Mayhem

[DandyDon]

I think that Bill is doing what he can to revive a franchise that has been in dissarray since the mid-nineties. This includes bad draftings, bad signings, bad management, etc. Repairing this damage will take a couple of years. Last year was a sort of aberration (defensively speaking) in that they were playing above their heads to impress a first year coach, and most of all, because there were NO injuries. Rebuilding a team from the bottom up (or top down) will take at least 3 years to undo the damage, and get back to where we are at least competitive. Everything good that happens before that is a plus. Understand this - Bill Parcells is NOT to blame....sure fingers can be pointed to some off season aquisitions, or non-aquisitions, but he is trying to turn this thing around for the long haul, not just to appease us fans and get the best guys available for the present. If it's blame you want placed, it falls on the owner. But I really think Jerry did the best that he could with the knowledge he had at the time. I do believe he was a bit egotistical in that he thought he could get an average coach and do what Jimmy did, or at least keep what we had going at the time. Jerry has learned and he did go out and get someone who has had experience in turning an organization around. By the way, you cannot measure what Bill has done in the past and say that "since he turned the Jets around in 2 years, he should be able to do the same with us." Every situation is different.

[DandyDon]

Good post Mayhem.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Certainly one of the most interesting stories in the NFL has been how the Cowboys could go from 10 - 6 to this type of season and just how Parcell's (an undoubted HOF coah) can sound so out of sorts.

So, my question is where do you feel the blame belongs? Players? Coaches? Do you see how it can be fixed ... next year? two years? I know that as fans of the cowboys most of you tend to have more insight than any media "analysts" out there who are not as vested.


I think Parcells is our HC. I think rebuilding is not an overnite process. I think too many of our fan base probably bought into our record last year rather then looking at the situation objectively and realizing that we still had a very long way to go. I think Parcells has forgotten more about football then most people will ever know and lastly, I think that I don't want to make more of this then what it is. I am not interested in providing any more message board material to Philly then they already have.

That is what I think.

[Bababooey]

Wake up people and think.

The blame doesnt really belong anywhere...

They lost people due to injury, FA, and QC to drugs.

This is a totally different team from last year.

QB = different (Should of been QC, not cause I like him just cause it made the most sense)

RB = different (JJ injured)
RT = different
RG= different
Center = different
WR = different (KJ)
WR = different (PC, QM)
FB = different
TE= 1/2 different

Ok so ever position except for LG, LT, and TE are totally new players either due to injury, someone coming back from injury, or FA.


Defense

RCB = different Down to like PS guys here Frazier
FS = different Down to 2nd string here dixon
LB=half the time its a 2nd yr James
LB= part time rookie Thorton
DT1=different Down to PS guys here Claybrook
DE1=different Wiley
rotation different

Almost half our defense is different.


This team is totally different then last years team...And guess what this combo doesnt work as well as last years combo. Not suprising because alot are PS players, rookies, and 2nd stringers.

So please just start using your heads and pls cut down on the drama.

And guess what? Next years team isnt gonna look like this years, People will comeback from Injury, we will have a draft, and go thru FA again.

I know its not as fun as whining, but if you think for a second you will see this team is being setup for the next couple years.

Offense
qb = young (henson)
rb = young (jones)
center = young (johnson)
RT = young
RG = young
LG = old (allen)
LT = middle (adams)
FB = young (barnes)
WR = old (key)
WR = old (glenn)
WR = young (morgan)
TE = young (witten)

defense
RC = young (hunter, frazier)
LC = young (newman)
SS = young (williams)
FS = young (dixon)
LB = young (thorton)
LB = middle (dat)
LB = young (james)
DE = middle (ellis)
DT = old (glover)
DT = young (carson)
DE = middle (wiley)


So next year look at the youth plus we might have 2 #1 to throw in there and other draft picks.

Mayhem

Ok master....

and who made these personnel decisions?

Jerry is obviously not getting his way with Henson, you think Jerry had any say in all these poor short sighted moves in the offseason?

[OldButDeadly]

He may be just getting senile....or the game has went on by him....

He did what he came here to do....so he can go whenever he feels like...

Besides.....the FUPA is way TOO much....the only thing you do with a FUPA like that .... is RETIRE.....

It will only get bigger...however.... we won't have to look at it get bigger....

Kev Out

[Mayhem]

Ok master....

and who made these personnel decisions?

Jerry is obviously not getting his way with Henson, you think Jerry had any say in all these poor short sighted moves in the offseason?


What do you mean who made these personnel decision? Oh you mean who decided to let JJ get hurt? who decided to let Terry Glenn get hurt? Who gazed into thier crystal ball and said wiley is gonna suck? Who decided QC should do drugs? Who decided to let Al Johnson come back from injury?

Man think...

No one decided, stuff happens... sure Parcells and Jones were probably banking on having a couple of weak spots on the team that could be adjusted for... but injury overcame that strategy.

Oh you mean who decided to build for the future? or who decided to let woodson get old?

Man good question.

They are rebuilding, anyone can see it even if they are telling you they arent rebuilding they are rebuilding... If they admit to the players they are rebuilding some may mail in the season, If they told Arlington they are rebuilding it might of hurt thier stadium vote.

Mayhem

[OLDSCHOOL]

Stick a fork in him he is done. He messed up this team and now he does not know what to do with it. Nothing was broken, all he had to do was tweak the team a little at receiver and RB, and DE and CB, and had a ggood back up plan in place for the very thing that happened to Woody.

Now he does not know what to do.

[Eddie]

Stick a fork in him he is done. He messed up this team and now he does not know what to do with it. Nothing was broken, all he had to do was tweak the team a little at receiver and RB, and DE and CB, and had a ggood back up plan in place for the very thing that happened to Woody.

Now he does not know what to do.

Alot was broken, he tried to fix it ... but it only got worse. You can't blame injuries on a coach.

Injuries have robbed us of 4 RCB's, Woody, Peterman, Glenn, Julius Jones, and Campbell. That's the core of our team. We can't make that up with PS players.

BP can only do so much. Even when he was coaching the Giants in their heyday, they lost when injuries piled up. It's nothing new.

[Doomsday101]

I think Parcells is still a top coach. One thing about this profession is how quick a guy can go from genius to moron. Even the beloved (by some) Jimmy Johnson did not look like such as genius with Miami as he did in Dallas. No matter who the coach is if you stay around long enough in this profession you will experience these down times and that is when every amateur and his brother all of a sudden know more than the coach himself.

[DMX6990]

I think Parcells is still a top coach. One thing about this profession is how quick a guy can go from genius to moron. Even the beloved (by some) Jimmy Johnson did not look like such as genius with Miami as he did in Dallas. No matter who the coach is if you stay around long enough in this profession you will experience these down times and that is when every amateur and his brother all of a sudden know more than the coach himself.

Good Post. Many fans are just plain dumb when talking about coaches. I mean last season everyone was on John Fox dick about how great a coach he was. So, what happen this season. What, he suddenly forgot how to coach. You look at the opposite situation, many people in Pittburgh last season wanted Bill Cowher to get fired, i'm pretty sure they don't feel the same today.

[Doomsday101]

Good Post. Many fans are just plain dumb when talking about coaches. I mean last season everyone was on John Fox dick about how great a coach he was. So, what happen this season. What, he suddenly forgot how to coach. You look at the opposite situation, many people in Pittburgh last season wanted Bill Cowher to get fired, i'm pretty sure they don't feel the same today.

Exactly, Right now the team is having problems and the villagers are carrying the torches and pitch forks. Granted I know the heat comes with the job of Head Coach but there are many top notch coaches who have seen both the top of the heap and the bottom of the bucket but that does not change the fact that these men still know how to do the job.

[Juke99]

Exactly, Right now the team is having problems and the villagers are carrying the torches and pitch forks. Granted I know the heat comes with the job of Head Coach but there are many top notch coaches who have seen both the top of the heap and the bottom of the bucket but that does not change the fact that these men still know how to do the job.


I agree with what you say here...

The difference in this case is, Parcells brings out the torch and pitchfork carriers in droves because of his attitude...

When the team declined under Landry, I still liked and respected him...I don't recall Landry calling anyone an "a--hole"

When Jimmy started out poorly, I still enjoyed watching the team...same deal, he might have been firey...he even went after Buddy Ryan that one time...but he didn't display outright disdain for the media or anyone who questioned his judgement...

I actually kinda liked Switzer, in a goofy sorta way....

I had no patience for either Gailey or Campo....but they were pretty much non-issues....Coslet was cut from the same arrogant cloth as Parcells, so I had a bit of the same feeling toward him.

Live by the sword, die by the sword....if you are going to carry yourself as arrogantly as Parcells does, toward the players, the media, etc you had BETTER perform. He hasn't.

He's getting exactly what he deserves right now.

[LaTunaNostra]

Bill's rebuild effort here is more similar to New England, where Parcells had a very minimal roster, than it is to the Jets, where a 1-15 record and years of decline obscured the fact there was more talent there - if there hadn't been Bill would have been unable to quickly "get rid of" very good players who "didn't fit", like Kyle Brady and Hugh Douglas.

I think, from the action of the past year, Bill felt the Dallas rebuild would fall somewhere in between his last two, and of course, be ruled by its own particular dynamics. Not as extensive or intensive a rebuild as NE, where he once said he "had two or three players" when he signed on, but not as quick as NY where there were guys like Aaron Glenn and Mo Lewis on D.

In NY Bill did what he tried to do here this year - bring in some reliable vets like Cox, Vinny, a promising center in Mawae, and a young runner, Martin, he would build his play action around, while waiting for the players he drafted to take their places. Our young runner got hurt, Testaverde is not what he was in 98 and there was no Bryan Cox available to cement and lead the D. Next year, when Drew is behind center, and Eddie, if he is here at all, relegated to what he was brought in to do, provide third down efficiency, I suspect the wisdom of the strategy will be evident.

I think a line with the greater depth we've seen this year, a center in his second year, Rogers and Peterman ready to contribute, a healthy two te punch of Dan and Jason, Key's possession skills, Terry, Quincy, and Patrick's speed, and more speed at RB with JJ, should be competitive. I hope we draft or bring in another back with speed in case of a similar emergency..I don't expect Lee to end up anymore of a contributor than Cason was. We also need to draft and groom a big fast receiver.

But overall, we're not in that bad shape - this is the type of offensive lineup I can see Drew being developed fast in.

The defense is where Bill has abysmally failed this year..it was clear he always saw the backers shortcomings, but he seems to have greatly underestimated Darren's input, and the coterie of young players he talked up ended up making him look bad - whether it was to motivate them, wishful thinking, or he truly saw something more than mediocrity in Hunter, Powell, Stewart, et al - and if he told us "look these guys are scrubs, but we have to make due with them til our drafts replenish the years of bad ones", then perhaps the angst would not be so great.

But he was apparently fooled himself, and by the notion Wiley represented an upgrade over Ek, and that opponents, as well as our own injuries, would not find ways to marginalize Dat or Roy. Tnew suffered a series of games which was not unusual for a sophomore corner, but in the wake of Woody's surgery, Bill certainly should have seen only consistently superlative play from Newman could save the secondary.

He got away from his own oft stated philosophy that you build a unit from the line out, and build a line from the center of the line out. Al Johnson was evidence of that philosophy, but not moving up one spot for Wilfork last draft (understandable in light of so many holes) was to me, as heedless a call as signing Wiley and not Berry.

While it may be true Bill was a 'victim of his own success' because of the 10-6 record, it was also clear he expected to be fielding a better team this year, even if, as he maintained, it might have a worse record. He has not done that - defensively this is a considerably worse team than last year - and the rebuild looks more and more like a longer term NE venture than the quick turn around in NY.

But at least we have the picks, and the cap space. Small consolation right now, but without them, it'd be a suicide watch.

[Chuck 54]

Certainly one of the most interesting stories in the NFL has been how the Cowboys could go from 10 - 6 to this type of season and just how Parcell's (an undoubted HOF coah) can sound so out of sorts.

So, my question is where do you feel the blame belongs? Players? Coaches? Do you see how it can be fixed ... next year? two years? I know that as fans of the cowboys most of you tend to have more insight than any media "analysts" out there who are not as vested.
This is Parcells team, through and through...despite injuries to JJ (who was not really expected to take over the bulk of the running anyway) and Glenn, it's his job to have other guys there...he blew it and that's part of his negativity and frustration...he has sucked as a gm and coach this year.

I'll forgive him IF he has an excellent off season this spring. IF not, fire his HOF wannabe butt....you are what you are, and the past means nothing.

[Jimz31]

I place the blame on the one that bought the groceries. I said before the season began that this year he's got alot more of "his" players, so we'll see what he's made of. I had a feeling that we wouldn't be as good as last year, but I in no way thought it would be THIS bad.

Injuries.....you can try to blame injuries all that you want, but it's a part of the game. I guess BP doesn't have any contingency plan for injuries then? Is that what some of you are saying? This is the NFL, here.....injuries happen. The best teams overcome them.....we just aren't even good enough to get out of bed in the morning.

Some of you want to blame JJ. I believe that JJ gave BP full reign to do whatever he feels he needs to do to get the job done, otherwise, I doubt that BP takes the job.

If we go into next season without making a splash to BLATANTLY make this team better during the off-season, then I wouldn't mind seeing BP gone. We knew that we were going to face Moss and TO 3 times this year.....we stood pat during FA. We say the Eagles desparately upgrading their defense.....we stood pat.

We stand pat again, the game will have obviously passed him by.

[DMX6990]

I place the blame on the one that bought the groceries. I said before the season began that this year he's got alot more of "his" players, so we'll see what he's made of. I had a feeling that we wouldn't be as good as last year, but I in no way thought it would be THIS bad.

Injuries.....you can try to blame injuries all that you want, but it's a part of the game. I guess BP doesn't have any contingency plan for injuries then? Is that what some of you are saying? This is the NFL, here.....injuries happen. The best teams overcome them.....we just aren't even good enough to get out of bed in the morning.

Some of you want to blame JJ. I believe that JJ gave BP full reign to do whatever he feels he needs to do to get the job done, otherwise, I doubt that BP takes the job.

If we go into next season without making a splash to BLATANTLY make this team better during the off-season, then I wouldn't mind seeing BP gone. We knew that we were going to face Moss and TO 3 times this year.....we stood pat during FA. We say the Eagles desparately upgrading their defense.....we stood pat.

We stand pat again, the game will have obviously passed him by.


Did you watch last night game. You think the Eagles defense is good? They stink, just like last season, they can't stop the run. And Kearse didn't do anything except when R.Lee try to block him. Hindset is always 20/20 but last year FA crops was weak.

[Doomsday101]

I agree with what you say here...

The difference in this case is, Parcells brings out the torch and pitchfork carriers in droves because of his attitude...

When the team declined under Landry, I still liked and respected him...I don't recall Landry calling anyone an "a--hole"

When Jimmy started out poorly, I still enjoyed watching the team...same deal, he might have been firey...he even went after Buddy Ryan that one time...but he didn't display outright disdain for the media or anyone who questioned his judgement...

I actually kinda liked Switzer, in a goofy sorta way....

I had no patience for either Gailey or Campo....but they were pretty much non-issues....Coslet was cut from the same arrogant cloth as Parcells, so I had a bit of the same feeling toward him.

Live by the sword, die by the sword....if you are going to carry yourself as arrogantly as Parcells does, toward the players, the media, etc you had BETTER perform. He hasn't.

He's getting exactly what he deserves right now.

Jimmy carried himself the same way, as far as calling a media guy an come on people around here say far more disparaging words when it comes to the media. As for Parcells taking the heat as I said it comes with the job, if next year Parcells is here and this team is in the NFC Championship everyone here will be hollering how great Parcells is and not once mention how they doubted his ability. I have seen this play out too many times with too many coaches over the years. I love you today but you have no clue tomorrow and the truth is it is some where in the middle, coaches do miscalculate and they do over estimate certain players or units. I can promise you Parcells was not expecting the defense to fall on its face the way it has this year. It can be argued that they were not as good as their numbers showed last season but by the same token I don't think he ever expected the defense to perform as poorly as they have

[Jimz31]

Did you watch last night game. You think the Eagles defense is good? They stink, just like last season, they can't stop the run. And Kearse didn't do anything except when R.Lee try to block him. Hindset is always 20/20 but last year FA crops was weak.

No, they aren't very good on defense, but it's not only their defense that they tried to upgrade.

We WERE ranked above them on both O and D.....do you HONESTLY think that we belong there? Do you really think that we have a better O? Or D?

Face it....we stood pat when we could have had better players.....JJ/BP saying "We're not going to over-pay...." Is it over-paying when it's the going rate? Nope.

There is a point where you don't pay for marginal talent.....but that is pretty much what we have done....with Wiley.....granted, we thought he could have a year like he had years ago, but nope.

[Mash]

Prior to last season.....we were a 5-11 team......3 seasons in a row.

Nothing really has changed.

The core of our lines are basically the same.....we still can't run block....and we still can't rush the passer.

In Hindsight....we should of went after Kearse....he is a difference maker......but then again...Zimmer would of had him playing the run on every down.

We have added some good players in Newman and Williams on defence....but they become useless if our DL plays like they have the last several seasons.

Last year Defensive ranking was misleading and the worse thing that could happened to this ball club. Parcells and co....failed to realize that our D only played well against the pathetic offences in the nfl and it inflated our rankings.

This team isn't that good and wasn't last year either. The talent on this team is pretty pathetic. Our team is pretty old in key positions.....Eddie, Vinny, Key...Ellis...Coakley..Glover...Woody...Allen..And erson.

Bill needs to blow things up.....not say " he is too old to lose".....

This team needs a identity.....not a passive team....that relies on a bus driver and a defense that plays not to lose instead of trying to win.

[DipChit]

Well for the umpteenth time, lets go ahead and get some prime time players before we worry too much about running Parcells off. The cupboard was bare when he got here in that regard. The only name guys we had were great in the mid/late 90's but well past their prime now. But wheres the studs in their prime? There was none. How many guys were on this team when Bill got here where if they became FA"s you'd have had 2/3 rds of the teams standing in line sayin.. oooo gimme gimme!!! Ummm like pretty much zero. Hell every 2nd team player was lucky to be in the NFL at all, and seemingly half the starters would've been back-ups elsewhere

Not saying he's been perfect. He's definitely made some mistakes. Of course.

But yeah, if it's all about just gettin a new coach.. lets go get Gruden, he got a team to the SB. How bout Callahan, he got the Raiders there. Nevermind what happened the next year. Maybe Mike Tice, just be prepared for a yearly collapse. How bout Mike Sherman.. nevermind he hasnt won jack even tho he has Favre/Green. Maybe Andy Reid. they're solid every year.. ooops til it comes to winning a Conf. Championship.

And of course there's always John Fox.. now theres a guy that gets every last drop out of his team, right? Must be, he got them to the SB last year....

[chinch]

Certainly one of the most interesting stories in the NFL has been how the Cowboys could go from 10 - 6 to this type of season and just how Parcell's (an undoubted HOF coah) can sound so out of sorts.

So, my question is where do you feel the blame belongs? Players? Coaches? Do you see how it can be fixed ... next year? two years? I know that as fans of the cowboys most of you tend to have more insight than any media "analysts" out there who are not as vested.
Jeez. This franchise has been mismanaged since Jimmy left, and you guys expect Tuna to go what... 13-3 on a year 2 of a total knock down & rebuild project team?

These discussions are just absurd.