Frightening Obama footage

[Cajuncowboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI


God, we need to beat this guy in the worst way.

[irvin88]

Don't worry, this guy is going to be torn down like nothing you've ever seen over the next month.;)

[Bach]

Check out Fox News right now. They're showing a special on Obama's radicalism.

[irvin88]

Check out Fox News right now. They're showing a special on Obama's radicalism.

next 4 weeks will be fun to watch him be exposed.:laugh2:

[Bach]

next 4 weeks will be fun to watch him be exposed.:laugh2:

I'm just not sure I trust the majority of Americans to be smart enough to see him for what he is. Too many fall for the empty words without looking at the substance.

[adamc91115]

I'm just not sure I trust the majority of Americans to be smart enough to see him for what he is. Too many fall for the empty words without looking at the substance.

Exactly...

Its kind of scary to see how people will follow someone blindly regardless of who he is or what he stands for... I'm not saying all of his supporters do this, but too many do.

[Achozen]

We're screwed. Between cult of Obama and Palin's overall suckyness (McCain won't live for much longer...), we're in a lose-lose situation.

I'd rather lose with Obama.

[MetalHead]

We're screwed. Between cult of Obama and Palin's overall suckyness (McCain won't live for much longer...), we're in a lose-lose situation.

I'd rather lose with Obama.


Congrats.
Yo have won the dumbest post of the day award.

[Achozen]

Congrats.
Yo have won the dumbest post of the day award.
What do I get?

What's wrong with my post? Is there not a "cult-like" following with Obama?

Does Mrs. "I believe Dinosaurs and Humans lived during the same time period" Palin not suck?

[Cajuncowboy]

What do I get?

What's wrong with my post? Is there not a "cult-like" following with Obama?

Does Mrs. "I believe Dinosaurs and Humans lived during the same time period" Palin not suck?

No she doesn't. That's what makes it such a dumb post.

[masomenos]

How is this frightening?

It's a group of young African-Americans who see Obama as an inspirational figure, giving them hope that they too can succeed despite their race.

"Take full responsibility for our own lives!"

"Have our own dreams...<hard to understand, I think it's>...but not at the expense of your dreams!"

"Always believe that we create our own destiny!"

"Demand more from our fathers to spend more time with their children by reading to them and teaching to them!"

Terrifying stuff guys. If any of the kids were forced to do this then it's an issue of forced indoctrination of political ideology, but if these kids wanted to learn about Obama's politics then there's no problem. Now, the comments say the club was shut down because they felt the sponsor must have created the club for political reasons. That's their call, I couldn't care less.

But realize that African-American youths are the least likely to have a father figure around and they have many negative role models pushed in front of them by popular culture. There kids are choosing a much more positive role model to follow than they could have, say someone like Lil' Wayne. I mean in the beginning of the video they're talking about wanting to become lawyers and engineers and architects, they believe that they can be anything, that's how kids should be.

[jrumann59]

How is this frightening?

It's a group of young African-Americans who see Obama as an inspirational figure, giving them hope that they too can succeed despite their race.

"Take full responsibility for our own lives!"

"Have our own dreams...<hard to understand, I think it's>...but not at the expense of your dreams!"

"Always believe that we create our own destiny!"

"Demand more from our fathers to spend more time with their children by reading to them and teaching to them!"

Terrifying stuff guys. If any of the kids were forced to do this then it's an issue of forced indoctrination of political ideology, but if these kids wanted to learn about Obama's politics then there's no problem. Now, the comments say the club was shut down because they felt the sponsor must have created the club for political reasons. That's their call, I couldn't care less.

But realize that African-American youths are the least likely to have a father figure around and they have many negative role models pushed in front of them by popular culture. There kids are choosing a much more positive role model to follow than they could have, say someone like Lil' Wayne. I mean in the beginning of the video they're talking about wanting to become lawyers and engineers and architects, they believe that they can be anything, that's how kids should be.


You know who said the same things like 2 years ago and got villified by the same people that are touting Obama as the savior, Bill Cosby.

[masomenos]

You know who said the same things like 2 years ago and got villified by the same people that are touting Obama as the savior, Bill Cosby.

I remember that, that's not a bad comparison.

[REDVOLUTION]

Unless I am missing some hidden meaning. I didnt see anything in that video except a positive affirmation of sorts for their personal growth.

[ZB9]

Does Mrs. "I believe Dinosaurs and Humans lived during the same time period" Palin not suck?

lol what the **** are you talking about man? Seriously, where do liberals get this crap

[masomenos]

lol what the **** are you talking about man? Seriously, where do liberals get this crap

It was in an LATimes Story....

Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

Of course you have to question the credibility of this Munger guy as he does have an agenda.

[Hypnotoad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

God, we need to beat this guy in the worst way.

Man what exactly is frightening about this video? Its a group of African Americans having goals and dreams....

IMO its kinda sappy, but whatever some people express things differently.

[Hoofbite]

Man what exactly is frightening about this video? Its a group of African Americans having goals and dreams....

IMO its kinda sappy, but whatever some people express things differently.

Sadly, to some people that is very frightening.

[Beast_from_East]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI


God, we need to beat this guy in the worst way.


That video is the best yall got, that is going to save the day for McCain?

I am no liberal, I voted for W both times, but this is what I saw on the video:

"Because of Obama, I inspire to be the next architect, automobile technician, lawyer, entreprenuer, ect....."

"Because of Obama, we take personal reponsibility for our lives, ect..."

While it did look like a gang or something, I word hardly call what they were saying as scary. I did not feel personaly threatened or scared watching that, maybe thats just me.

I will say that if that is the best yall got to go after Obama with, this thing is so over.

[REDVOLUTION]

Man what exactly is frightening about this video? Its a group of African Americans having goals and dreams....

IMO its kinda sappy, but whatever some people express things differently.

Sadly, to some people that is very frightening.


Racism is man-made. Reality is.... There is only one race... the Human Race.

[Heisenberg]

Racism is man-made. Reality is.... There is only one race... the Human Race.

Good post. I bet we'll eventually get there in our collective mindset as a country.

[REDVOLUTION]

Good post. I bet we'll eventually get there in our collective mindset as a country.


I believe you when you say its a good post... and thank you.
You just view it as a point for Obama/Dems.


But your love for the party is part of the problem.... as it is for the Repubs.


The (2 party)system is designed to keep people divided. This is an issue for me.

[Yeagermeister]

I have made no secret of being a McCain supporter but that said I see nothing wrong with this video.

[Angus]

Some may be too young to remember, but the regimentation, uniforms, physicality and chants are reminiscent of the Hitler Youth program in Germany.

Creating a cult of personality for Obama among the young, particularly when coupled with the singing girls video is frightening to many. The liberals and radicals have already infiltrated higher education until they now control it. They are now attempting, it seems, to exercise the same control over primary and secondary education in this country. That is what the Ayes/Obama combination in Chicago apparently attempted.

No one is against young people of any race aspiring to be better and more responsible, but the young are easily led. If they are recruited by their idol for what they think is a noble cause but are unknowingly being used to weld together a radical empire, it is a cause for alarm.

:rolleyes:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Some may be too young to remember, but the regimentation, uniforms, physicality and chants are reminiscent of the Hitler Youth program in Germany.

Creating a cult of personality for Obama among the young, particularly when coupled with the singing girls video is frightening to many. The liberals and radicals have already infiltrated higher education until they now control it. They are now attempting, it seems, to exercise the same control over primary and secondary education in this country. That is what the Ayes/Obama combination in Chicago apparently attempted.

No one is against young people of any race aspiring to be better and more responsible, but the young are easily led. If they are recruited by their idol for what they think is a noble cause but are unknowingly being used to weld together a radical empire, it is a cause for alarm.

:rolleyes:

http://www.popsucker.net/images/popsucker/stretcharm.jpg

Wow...young black males showing some responsibility for how they go about their life, something that is a conservative doctrine I might add, and now they are being compared to hitler youth. I guess you forgot about the part in history where Hitler thought those that were not of aryan blood were inferior only to get his back side handed to him at a certain Olympics by a non aryan group of athletes.



:rolleyes:

[Bach]

It's a shame none of these guys could amount to anything without Obama. I just hope for their sake they don't drink any koolaid.

[trickblue]

Because of Obama?

How about "Because I'm an American"... :rolleyes:

[Bach]

Because of Obama?

How about "Because I'm an American"... :rolleyes:

Nope. It's all because of Obama. He's the messiah you know.

[ThaBigP]

What do I get?

What's wrong with my post? Is there not a "cult-like" following with Obama?

Does Mrs. "I believe Dinosaurs and Humans lived during the same time period" Palin not suck?

That, unfortunately, is the Saturday Night Live/MSM/Hollywood characature of Palin, actually Matt Damon brought that up if I'm not mistaken. But you get the point. She never claimed anything of the sort regarding dinosaurs...that is pushed simply because she's a Christian. It's a presumption only. The whole "I can see Russia from my house!" was never uttered by Palin, but is being thrust into the air like a flag as "evidence" she is unqualified for VP, or if the need arises, the Big P (heh - sorry, had to do that). In fact, her home is nowhere near sight-line of Russia. What she said in the Gibson interview was that Russia and AK are so close that from a small island of AK you can see Russian territory. While going on about her smattering of foreign policy experience, that was indeed brought up, but in the capacity of a throw away line. She more forcefully pointed to the negotiations that went into striking the natural gas pipeline with Canada. But, since that doesn't fit the template of making her look like a dolt, that bit is completely ignored and just as quickly forgotten by those so inclined (after all, it *was* negotiating with a foreign nation or their representatives in order to get a private project struck). That, and the line of being able to see Russian Federation territory from a small island of AK was quickly rewritten to "I can see Russia from my House!" and presented as if that's what she actually said. We are told time and time again that the unfiltered Palin we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears is not the "real" Palin - for that we must rely on selectively edited interviews, cutting her off in mid-reply and stitching together parts of a reply to another question. For better or worse, though, and whatever the result, from my readings over the weekend and into Mon morning it looks like the leash and muzzle may be off the "pit bull" - so things will really get interesting in this home stretch.:cool:

[BrAinPaiNt]

That, unfortunately, is the Saturday Night Live/MSM/Hollywood characature of Palin, actually Matt Damon brought that up if I'm not mistaken. But you get the point. She never claimed anything of the sort regarding dinosaurs...that is pushed simply because she's a Christian. It's a presumption only. The whole "I can see Russia from my house!" was never uttered by Palin, but is being thrust into the air like a flag as "evidence" she is unqualified for VP, or if the need arises, the Big P (heh - sorry, had to do that). In fact, her home is nowhere near sight-line of Russia. What she said in the Gibson interview was that Russia and AK are so close that from a small island of AK you can see Russian territory. While going on about her smattering of foreign policy experience, that was indeed brought up, but in the capacity of a throw away line. She more forcefully pointed to the negotiations that went into striking the natural gas pipeline with Canada. But, since that doesn't fit the template of making her look like a dolt, that bit is completely ignored and just as quickly forgotten by those so inclined (after all, it *was* negotiating with a foreign nation or their representatives in order to get a private project struck). That, and the line of being able to see Russian Federation territory from a small island of AK was quickly rewritten to "I can see Russia from my House!" and presented as if that's what she actually said. We are told time and time again that the unfiltered Palin we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears is not the "real" Palin - for that we must rely on selectively edited interviews, cutting her off in mid-reply and stitching together parts of a reply to another question. For better or worse, though, and whatever the result, from my readings over the weekend and into Mon morning it looks like the leash and muzzle may be off the "pit bull" - so things will really get interesting in this home stretch.:cool:

You are right she never said she could see it from her house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

As far as a pittbull...she seems more like a chihuahua to me...annoying to hear.:laugh2: You betcha don't ya know wink wink

[ZB9]

It was in an LATimes Story....



http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

Of course you have to question the credibility of this Munger guy as he does have an agenda.

yea ok....and an associate of mine that works in congress told me that B. Hussein Obama told him that Obama supports Hamas.

[BrAinPaiNt]

yea ok....and an associate of mine that works in congress told me that B. Hussein Obama told him that Obama supports Hamas.

I'm confused...does the manchurian president support Hamas or AQ....or both? ~cue dramatic evil soap opera music~ :laugh2:

[ThaBigP]

http://www.popsucker.net/images/popsucker/stretcharm.jpg

Wow...young black males showing some responsibility for how they go about their life, something that is a conservative doctrine I might add, and now they are being compared to hitler youth. I guess you forgot about the part in history where Hitler thought those that were not of aryan blood were inferior only to get his back side handed to him at a certain Olympics by a non aryan group of athletes.



:rolleyes:

Um...wrong...or perhaps you saw a different video. Listen to the words... "because of Obama, I'm inspired to be such and such". That is the opposite of personal responsibility. Rather, it is relying on a single personality to drive a sense of self-worth or initiative. Others can inspire by example, to be sure, but even there Obama comes up short. He is about as unaccomplished as a person can get running for President.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Um...wrong...or perhaps you saw a different video. Listen to the words... "because of Obama, I'm inspired to be such and such". That is the opposite of personal responsibility. Rather, it is relying on a single personality to drive a sense of self-worth or initiative. Others can inspire by example, to be sure, but even there Obama comes up short. He is about as unaccomplished as a person can get running for President.

Um...no not wrong.

1. they are in no way comparable to Hitler.

2. I don't care the source, it is still personal responsibility to do something better.

I realize it kills some of you to think that some black youth would be proud of a black man reaching the levels of Obama to be the first black nomination by a major party for President. I can understand how it might even kill you more if said black candidate also happens to be a liberal/democrat.

However would you rather them have a positive message of change in their lives, even if it is because they look up to Obama, or would you rather them take a different approach with someone like Suge Knight as their role model?

So please spare me it is wrong bit when someone makes an idiotic comparison to hitler youth.:cool:

[ZB9]

I'm confused...does the manchurian president support Hamas or AQ....or both?

ha I dont know. Ive got my stereotypes confused right now

I might have gotten it backwards. It's Hamas that endorses Obama, not Obama that supports Hamas. Im sure that is another coveted endorsement that he can put right along side AQ, Ahmadenijad(sp?), and Ghadafi.

one refreshing thing though is that I saw a gaffe where Obama didnt know what the majority language is in Afghanistan. He thinks they speak Arab. I guess that means his "57 states" thing wasnt a Freudian slip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

[BrAinPaiNt]

ha I dont know. Ive got my stereotypes confused right now

but I might have got it backwards. It's Hamas that endorses Obama. Im sure that is another coveted endorsement that he can put right along side Ahmadenijad(sp?) and Ghadafi.

one refreshing thing though is that I saw a gaffe where Obama didnt know what the majority language is in Afghanistan. He thinks they speak Arab. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

Well look.

When you are the manchurian candidate, when you are the messiah, when you are the one, when you are a commie, when you are a christian, when you are a muslim, when you are in cahoots with the weatherman to blow stuff up...it is hard to keep some things straight like the language spoken in some foreign country.....then again...he could just making that gaffe on purpose to throw everyone off...DUN DUN DUN (evil music) :p:

[ThaBigP]

Um...no not wrong.

1. they are in no way comparable to Hitler.

2. I don't care the source, it is still personal responsibility to do something better.

I realize it kills some of you to think that some black youth would be proud of a black man reaching the levels of Obama to be the first black nomination by a major party for President. I can understand how it might even kill you more if said black candidate also happens to be a liberal/democrat.

However would you rather them have a positive message of change in their lives, even if it is because they look up to Obama, or would you rather them take a different approach with someone like Suge Knight as their role model?

So please spare me it is wrong bit when someone makes an idiotic comparison to hitler youth.:cool:

1) - Houston to BrainPaint, we have a communications glitch...I never mentioned "Hitler" (I know others did).

2) - You're essentially saying "I don't care if it's not personal responsibility, it's personal responsibility", so I'll just be satisfied scratching my head on that one.

3) - blah blah BLACK blah blah BLACK, BLACK, yada yada BLACK BLACK. Furthermore, BLACK BLACK BLACKBLACKBLACK BLACK. For Heaven's sake dude, get the racial polarizing filter off. I care not a whit, nor mentioned, race in regards to this video, as it is immaterial. My concern is only regarding the mindset of some people (regardless of race/creed, etc) who think that all is hopeless unless and until "The One" personality comes along that they somehow relate to as they define it. That is the very antithesis of personal responsibility, not the definition of it. If Obama were to lose the election, would these kids suddenly no longer be inclined to be chemical engineers? Or pilots? Or doctors? And if that be the case, please explain why...I'd love to hear. So far, from their own mouths, they have said that their inspiration for doing these things is simply one man who happens to be running for President. One man, I might add, who himself hasn't accomplished anything these kids are now inspired to do.

[BrAinPaiNt]

1) - Houston to BrainPaint, we have a communications glitch...I never mentioned "Hitler" (I know others did).

2) - You're essentially saying "I don't care if it's not personal responsibility, it's personal responsibility", so I'll just be satisfied scratching my head on that one.

3) - blah blah BLACK blah blah BLACK, BLACK, yada yada BLACK BLACK. Furthermore, BLACK BLACK BLACKBLACKBLACK BLACK. For Heaven's sake dude, get the racial polarizing filter off. I care not a whit, nor mentioned, race in regards to this video, as it is immaterial. My concern is only regarding the mindset of some people (regardless of race/creed, etc) who think that all is hopeless unless and until "The One" personality comes along that they somehow relate to as they define it. That is the very antithesis of personal responsibility, not the definition of it. If Obama were to lose the election, would these kids suddenly no longer be inclined to be chemical engineers? Or pilots? Or doctors? And if that be the case, please explain why...I'd love to hear. So far, from their own mouths, they have said that their inspiration for doing these things is simply one man who happens to be running for President. One man, I might add, who himself hasn't accomplished anything these kids are now inspired to do.

:rolleyes:

I can not for the life of me understand why some of you refuse to accept that he has accomplished a great deal by being the first black man to reach the heights of being the nominee of a major party who potentially could be the next president of the united states. A country where we still have people alive today that remember when they could not eat in certain diners because they were black. A country where some soldiers remember not being able to do certain jobs because they were deemed as not being intelligent enough. A country where some people are still alive that remembers german POWs could go in to diners, stores and movie theaters where black veterans of the same war were not allowed to go into the same places.

I can not for the life of me understand how you can not understand why some black youth would not be inspired by that.

I can not understand how anyone would not see it as an accomplishment in not only Obama but this country that we have came so far in such a short time.


Oh wait I can understand it...he is a liberal.

Never mind. :rolleyes:

[Bach]

Um...no not wrong.

1. they are in no way comparable to Hitler.

2. I don't care the source, it is still personal responsibility to do something better.

I realize it kills some of you to think that some black youth would be proud of a black man reaching the levels of Obama to be the first black nomination by a major party for President. I can understand how it might even kill you more if said black candidate also happens to be a liberal/democrat.

However would you rather them have a positive message of change in their lives, even if it is because they look up to Obama, or would you rather them take a different approach with someone like Suge Knight as their role model?

So please spare me it is wrong bit when someone makes an idiotic comparison to hitler youth.:cool:


haha. You'd be all over them if it were teens doing the same thing for McCain.

It's hilarious the way you try to claim you're neutral yet always attack McCain and defend Obama.

[WoodysGirl]

haha. You'd be all over them if it were teens doing the same thing for McCain.

It's hilarious the way you try to claim you're neutral yet always attack McCain and defend Obama.
JMO, but I think Brain tries to balance out the overwhelming number of conservatives in this forum.

He's stated he's not going to vote for Obama. I take him at his word on that.

The difference with Brain from others in this forum is he doesn't look at Obama and see the Devil.

Stacking the two candidates, you can debate on the merits. However, there's alot over-the-top righteous indignation when it comes to anything posted about Obama.

[BrAinPaiNt]

haha. You'd be all over them if it were teens doing the same thing for McCain.

It's hilarious the way you try to claim you're neutral yet always attack McCain and defend Obama.

How could I be all over McCain for this.

Last time I checked every president in the history of the USA has been white.

Lord forbid some black youth show some pride in an individual that happens to be from their own race.

But then again, with you, that does not surprise me.

[Bach]

How could I be all over McCain for this.

Last time I checked every president in the history of the USA has been white.

What does this have to do with it?

I'm referring to the cult-like chantings. That is just bizarre and has nothing to do with color.

Lord forbid some black youth show some pride in an individual that happens to be from their own race.

But then again, with you, that does not surprise me.

Cult-like pride. woo-hoo.

[ThaBigP]

:rolleyes:

I can not for the life of me understand why some of you refuse to accept that he has accomplished a great deal by being the first black man to reach the heights of being the nominee of a major party who potentially could be the next president of the united states. A country where we still have people alive today that remember when they could not eat in certain diners because they were black. A country where some soldiers remember not being able to do certain jobs because they were deemed as not being intelligent enough. A country where some people are still alive that remembers german POWs could go in to diners, stores and movie theaters where black veterans of the same war were not allowed to go into the same places.

I can not for the life of me understand how you can not understand why some black youth would not be inspired by that.

I can not understand how anyone would not see it as an accomplishment in not only Obama but this country that we have came so far in such a short time.


Oh wait I can understand it...he is a liberal.

Never mind. :rolleyes:

I'd suggest you still have yet to remove the racial blinders, after all "being black" while attaining office is now an accomplishment. I guess that falls in the same category of "being black" while driving a nice car is evidence of either an accomplished drug dealing business or being on a professional sports team. In either case, a person coming to that knee-jerk conclusion is making a HUGE presumption based on race. Might I add that we have a SecState, Suprime Court Justice (who by the way is a lifetime appointment, and gets to influence US policy long after the President who appointed them), two of our best economists...just to point out a few of many off the top of my head. And that doesn't even touch on the legion of black business owners and entrepreneurs out there in the marketplace. But none of these people have youths dressing up in cammo and doing coordinated drills proclaiming that these people are the sole source of inspiration for bettering themselves.

[Bach]

JMO, but I think Brain tries to balance out the overwhelming number of conservatives in this forum.

He's stated he's not going to vote for Obama. I take him at his word on that.

.

I thought that at first, but as consistent as he is with it, he's definitely more anti-McCain and pro-Obama.

[ThaBigP]

How could I be all over McCain for this.

Last time I checked every president in the history of the USA has been white.

Lord forbid some black youth show some pride in an individual that happens to be from their own race.

But then again, with you, that does not surprise me.

Straw man

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A Straw Man argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_argument) is an informal fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy) based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#cite_note-book-0) To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute, then attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#cite_note-book-0) While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric) technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#cite_note-files-1)
Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_(dummy)) in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarecrow) is made in the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Such a target is, naturally, immobile and does not fight back, and is not as realistic to test skill against compared to a live and armed opponent. It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy, scarecrow argument, or wooden dummy argument.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In the UK, it is sometimes called Aunt Sally (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Sally), with reference to a traditional fairground game.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The question here is one that each of us should ask ourselves.

For those who find nothing at all wrong with this video, as yourselves what you might feel if you saw a group of Young White males, shaved heads, Paramilitary appearence, Chanting McCain Slogans etc. Would the first thing that comes to your mind be, Young White Supremest? Not saying you would say that, but asking would that be something that intered your mind initially and would you have a ceratin amount of fear?

For those of you who find something troubling about this, ask yourselves, if it's what they are saying or how it's being presented? If they were wearing ROTC uniforms as opposed to BDUs, would you feel the same apprehension for these young men?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'd suggest you still have yet to remove the racial blinders, after all "being black" while attaining office is now an accomplishment. I guess that falls in the same category of "being black" while driving a nice car is evidence of either an accomplished drug dealing business or being on a professional sports team. In either case, a person coming to that knee-jerk conclusion is making a HUGE presumption based on race. Might I add that we have a SecState, Suprime Court Justice (who by the way is a lifetime appointment, and gets to influence US policy long after the President who appointed them), two of our best economists...just to point out a few of many off the top of my head. And that doesn't even touch on the legion of black business owners and entrepreneurs out there in the marketplace. But none of these people have youths dressing up in cammo and doing coordinated drills proclaiming that these people are the sole source of inspiration for bettering themselves.

:rolleyes: oh man nevermind...holy moly.

[ABQCOWBOY]

:rolleyes:

I can not for the life of me understand why some of you refuse to accept that he has accomplished a great deal by being the first black man to reach the heights of being the nominee of a major party who potentially could be the next president of the united states. A country where we still have people alive today that remember when they could not eat in certain diners because they were black. A country where some soldiers remember not being able to do certain jobs because they were deemed as not being intelligent enough. A country where some people are still alive that remembers german POWs could go in to diners, stores and movie theaters where black veterans of the same war were not allowed to go into the same places.

I can not for the life of me understand how you can not understand why some black youth would not be inspired by that.

I can not understand how anyone would not see it as an accomplishment in not only Obama but this country that we have came so far in such a short time.


Oh wait I can understand it...he is a liberal.

Never mind. :rolleyes:

I'll be honest with you BP. I am not worried that Obama is Black. There are Black men and women, in our Country, who I would have given very strong consideration to voting for. Nothing at all to do with color. I will tell you what worries me.

Obama has not even been a Senator for a full term, I don't believe. Has there ever been a person who has had less experience, be elected to President of the US? I mean, I honestly don't know. I don't know if there have been many or if there has ever been one. It does worry me thou. How did he rise so fast? It is certainly not based on his political career. I mean, I don't know of any important piece of legislature he has ever gotten passed. It's not his voting record, it is predominantly party line. There many, many who have very simular voting records. I don't know of any landmark issues he is credited for. Not saying he is not capable. The truth is that I have no way of knowing what his capabilities are. Honestly, I don't know how you would? I just keep coming back to it. How does a guy who has relatively know political clout, no real political backround to speak of, no military career to draw on, get to the point where he may be the next President of the United States. Lets just forget for a moment, what nationality this man is. Even if he were a white man, how would you get where he is so fast?

That's what worries me.

[poke]

I'll be honest with you BP. I am not worried that Obama is Black. There are Black men and women, in our Country, who I would have given very strong consideration to voting for. Nothing at all to do with color. I will tell you what worries me.

Obama has not even been a Senator for a full term, I don't believe. Has there ever been a person who has had less experience, be elected to President of the US? I mean, I honestly don't know. I don't know if there have been many or if there has ever been one. It does worry me thou. How did he rise so fast? It is certainly not based on his political career. I mean, I don't know of any important piece of legislature he has ever gotten passed. It's not his voting record, it is predominantly party line. There many, many who have very simular voting records. I don't know of any landmark issues he is credited for. Not saying he is not capable. The truth is that I have no way of knowing what his capabilities are. Honestly, I don't know how you would? I just keep coming back to it. How does a guy who has relatively know political clout, no real political backround to speak of, no military career to draw on, get to the point where he may be the next President of the United States. Lets just forget for a moment, what nationality this man is. Even if he were a white man, how would you get where he is so fast?

That's what worries me.

what nationality do you think he is ??

[ABQCOWBOY]

what nationality do you think he is ??


I would say African/Caucasian American, off hand, but I don't know that to be the case. Regardless, a very, very short amount of time involved with his rise to power. He is on the verge of becoming the most powerful man in the world. How did he get there so quickly? That's one of my major concerns.

[Heisenberg]

I would say African/Caucasian American, off hand, but I don't know that to be the case. Regardless, a very, very short amount of time involved with his rise to power. He is on the verge of becoming the most powerful man in the world. How did he get there so quickly? That's one of my major concerns.

I dunno. He went to Harvard Law, was president of the Harvard Law Review, did some community organizing, and taught Constitutional Law at U of Chicago Law School. These are things that would seem to show that he's at least somewhat book smart with some experience working on the ground level directly with people.

As far as experience? He served in the Illinois Senate from 97-2004. Then he was elected to the US Senate. So, he does have over 10 years of elected office experience. You may question how valid that experience is to being POTUS, but I would tell you and I'm sure past Presidents would tell you that there is no experience that would completely prepare you for being POTUS.

So, what do you do? You surround yourself in good people, work on a good base of intelligence and the experience that you do have, and try to accomplish what you set out to accomplish.

I'm sure I'm going to be called naive, but so be it.

[poke]

I would say African/Caucasian American, off hand, but I don't know that to be the case. Regardless, a very, very short amount of time involved with his rise to power. He is on the verge of becoming the most powerful man in the world. How did he get there so quickly? That's one of my major concerns.

heck all this time i thought he was an American....

you are right he doesnt have a lot of experience, he hasnt finished his first
6 year term as senator.
and yet i have seen you rave about Palin who hasnt finished her first 4 year term as governor.
now to answer your question as to how/why he has come so far so fast.
he was the keynote speaker at the 2004 Dem. Natl. Convention. at the time he was a state senator running for the US Senate.
he made a speech that was very well received by the Dems. (similar to how Palins speech was received by the Reps at their convention)
that put him in the spotlight for the Dems and then all he had to do was beat out Hillary ( which to me didnt seem like too hard a thing to do ) to win the nomination.
not sure if thats the answer you were looking for or if you are implying something diabolical has transpired to vault him there so quickly.
not looking to start a lengthy discussion , just trying to answer your question. i really hate typing !

[ThaBigP]

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution, in those intrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositories, and constituting each the Guardian of the Public Weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way, which the constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for, though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.

- portion of George Washington's Farewell Address

[Bach]

I dunno. He went to Harvard Law, was president of the Harvard Law Review, did some community organizing, and taught Constitutional Law at U of Chicago Law School. These are things that would seem to show that he's at least somewhat book smart with some experience working on the ground level directly with people.

And how did Obama get into Harvard Law? He can thank Khalid al-Mansour, a radical islamist.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/khalid_al_mansour/2008/09/04/127844.html

Who is the “mystery man” former Manhattan Borough Chairman Percy Sutton named as having aided Barack Obama financially at Harvard Law School?

Signs of al-Mansour’s work exists in Malaysia, Brazil, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, and spans four decades in the United States, Newsmax discovered while scouring hundreds of sources for the story it reported on the revelations Wednesday.

His life story could have been written as a Horatio Alger-style rise from rags to riches. He sees himself as something of the “return of Antar,” a mythical black poet-warrior of pre-Islamic times. His real-life exploits range from a surprise one-on-one meeting with the prime minister of India as a college student to mentoring Black Panthers’ founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale in the early 1960s.

[ABQCOWBOY]

heck all this time i thought he was an American....

you are right he doesnt have a lot of experience, he hasnt finished his first
6 year term as senator.
and yet i have seen you rave about Palin who hasnt finished her first 4 year term as governor.
now to answer your question as to how/why he has come so far so fast.
he was the keynote speaker at the 2004 Dem. Natl. Convention. at the time he was a state senator running for the US Senate.
he made a speech that was very well received by the Dems. (similar to how Palins speech was received by the Reps at their convention)
that put him in the spotlight for the Dems and then all he had to do was beat out Hillary ( which to me didnt seem like too hard a thing to do ) to win the nomination.
not sure if thats the answer you were looking for or if you are implying something diabolical has transpired to vault him there so quickly.
not looking to start a lengthy discussion , just trying to answer your question. i really hate typing !

The question I asked was, has there ever been a President elected with as little Political experience as Obama has?

I'm aware of the fact that he taught at Harvard and was President of the Harvard Law Review. I am also aware of the fact that he gave the key note speech in 2004 to the Decomcratic Convention. I'm aware that he was a cival rights attorney.

In short, no, you did not answer my question. However, I don't hold it against you. It's not an easy one to answer I'd imagine. I have been thinking about it and I can't think of anybody how has come as far as Obama has come in such a short period of time.

[ThaBigP]

The question I asked was, has there ever been a President elected with as little Political experience as Obama has?

I'm aware of the fact that he taught at Harvard and was President of the Harvard Law Review. I am also aware of the fact that he gave the key note speech in 2004 to the Decomcratic Convention. I'm aware that he was a cival rights attorney.

In short, no, you did not answer my question. However, I don't hold it against you. It's not an easy one to answer I'd imagine. I have been thinking about it and I can't think of anybody how has come as far as Obama has come in such a short period of time.

I'll quote myself again quoting Washington:

The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Obama enjoys a massive and sudden rise in the political engine precisely because enough people presume him to be the answer to perceived wrongs. And as such, they've cast aside any notion of questioning his motives or methods.

[poke]

I'll be honest with you BP. I am not worried that Obama is Black. There are Black men and women, in our Country, who I would have given very strong consideration to voting for. Nothing at all to do with color. I will tell you what worries me.

Obama has not even been a Senator for a full term, I don't believe. Has there ever been a person who has had less experience, be elected to President of the US? I mean, I honestly don't know. I don't know if there have been many or if there has ever been one. It does worry me thou. How did he rise so fast? It is certainly not based on his political career. I mean, I don't know of any important piece of legislature he has ever gotten passed. It's not his voting record, it is predominantly party line. There many, many who have very simular voting records. I don't know of any landmark issues he is credited for. Not saying he is not capable. The truth is that I have no way of knowing what his capabilities are. Honestly, I don't know how you would? I just keep coming back to it. How does a guy who has relatively know political clout, no real political backround to speak of, no military career to draw on, get to the point where he may be the next President of the United States. Lets just forget for a moment, what nationality this man is. Even if he were a white man, how would you get where he is so fast?

That's what worries me.

ABQ....you did ask how he rose so fast, i gave my impression on how he did it.
Heck man look how fast Sarah has risen in the minds of America...it only takes one good speech / appearance on that huge national stage that is the convention floor to catapult someone into the mix.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I dunno. He went to Harvard Law, was president of the Harvard Law Review, did some community organizing, and taught Constitutional Law at U of Chicago Law School. These are things that would seem to show that he's at least somewhat book smart with some experience working on the ground level directly with people.

As far as experience? He served in the Illinois Senate from 97-2004. Then he was elected to the US Senate. So, he does have over 10 years of elected office experience. You may question how valid that experience is to being POTUS, but I would tell you and I'm sure past Presidents would tell you that there is no experience that would completely prepare you for being POTUS.

So, what do you do? You surround yourself in good people, work on a good base of intelligence and the experience that you do have, and try to accomplish what you set out to accomplish.

I'm sure I'm going to be called naive, but so be it.

To be very honest with you Ozzu, I'm more worried about who has supported Obama and what it might cost him if he were to get elected. He has become very powerful in a very short period of time. He is enjoying things that you typically associate with very Sr. politicians. I worry that in exchange for his rapid rise, he has given up too much and will be compramised by what he may have to allow, in exchange for that support. It's not a natural thing for a person, regardless of color or ethnic origin to become so prominant in American Politics so quickly. It is a big concern to me.

[ABQCOWBOY]

ABQ....you did ask how he rose so fast, i gave my impression on how he did it.
Heck man look how fast Sarah has risen in the minds of America...it only takes one good speech / appearance on that huge national stage that is the convention floor to catapult someone into the mix.


If Palin were running for President, I would have the same questions and concerns. She is not. She was hand picked by McCain. McCain had to win the backing of his entire party to become the Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. That's a very different thing indeed. The two are not the same. As I said earlier, color is of no importance in regards to this question. Anybody who gains that much power, that quickly would make we wonder.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'll quote myself again quoting Washington:

The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Obama enjoys a massive and sudden rise in the political engine precisely because enough people presume him to be the answer to perceived wrongs. And as such, they've cast aside any notion of questioning his motives or methods.

I agree with this premiss, but that only extends to the populace, IMO. He is in very rare air now. The people who get elected to President need support from other very powerful people. The days of being able to run on popular opinion, as you know, are over. How did he get so powerful so quickly? More to the point, what did he have to give up to get to the position he currently finds himself in?

[StevenOtero]

Video: Obama Youth in Paramilitary Garb Chant Propaganda

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
October 6, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

As an example of the sort fanaticism the Obama “Change” campaign is whipping up, consider the video here of an Obama “regiment” videotaped last year in Kansas City, Missouri. (Note: the same state where prosecutors and cops went after people who dared say anything negative about the Anointed One. For more on the Obama campaign’s attack on free speech and political debate, see Obama mobilizes rapid response on Web.)

Enthusiastically supporting your banker supported insider for president is one thing, but marching around in cammies in paramilitary fashion chanting like boot camp Marines is another thing altogether.

From the description of this video on YouTube:

I called and spoke to Bernard [at the Colburn School in Kansas City], who said he was the assistant Dean. He was very gentlemanly and when I voiced my concerns about the video, he told me that this was taken at the school last year when Obama was beginning his campaign. He assured me that they stopped this “regiment” because they felt the person who was organizing it was pushing his political agenda.

Duh.

He assured me that he didn’t know it was on YouTube. I gave him the link to where to go for this video and when he found it he said, “Oh this is not good. I had no idea” I told him I’d take his word for it. He then asked me, nicely, “what’s the main concern? Because I want to understand where you’re coming from so that I can figure out how to handle this.”

Nicely, I told him that the video looked militant. I told him about the Colburn School video and how it resembles propaganda films from Communist dictatorships. I told him that the US military is frowned upon for going to high schools trying to recruit potential grads into joining their ranks. Why shouldn’t we frown upon those who come to a school like yours to encourage kids to worship a politician? One who is not even a president.

I also said that if this was done to make kids feel better about themselves, why do it in the name of Obama? Why not encourage kids to believe in the power of themselves?

He assured me that he would get to the bottom of the situation, thanked me for my call and we hung up.

We in America and Around the World should not idolize our politicians.

Idolization is one thing, parading kids around in Nazi Youth fashion in paramilitary gear is quite another. As Webster Tarpley has noted, Obama’s mass following has all the elements of a bottom-up fascist movement. Hitler’s brownshirts were also fond of pseudo-military titles.

Is it possible this paramilitary display is an isolated incident or can we expect more of the same after Obama is elected? Recall Obama’s speech on July 2 in Colorado Springs. “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” the candidate declared. “If we’re going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn’t this rather a big deal?” asked WorldNetDaily.

Indeed, it is a big deal, especially if this proposed “national security force” will be comprised of brainwashed kids who are told by their militant elders that any disagreement with Obama is a punishable offense, as it apparently was in Missouri.

In Germany and Italy this sort of opposition to the cult of personality leader resulted in the opposition either dead or rounded up and put in concentration camps.

[vta]

I'm a-scared. All those militant negroes shouting... Ha.

It is disturbing that in 2008, it takes a militant regimentation to get people off their ***'s and get them to tout personal responsibility and such... Pretty silly, actually, but if that works for them...

[Bach]

"Because of Obama I'm inspired to be the next CowboysZone moderator!!!"

Yes I can!!!

[poke]

I'll be honest with you BP. I am not worried that Obama is Black. There are Black men and women, in our Country, who I would have given very strong consideration to voting for. Nothing at all to do with color. I will tell you what worries me.

Obama has not even been a Senator for a full term, I don't believe. Has there ever been a person who has had less experience, be elected to President of the US? I mean, I honestly don't know. I don't know if there have been many or if there has ever been one. It does worry me thou. How did he rise so fast? It is certainly not based on his political career. I mean, I don't know of any important piece of legislature he has ever gotten passed. It's not his voting record, it is predominantly party line. There many, many who have very simular voting records. I don't know of any landmark issues he is credited for. Not saying he is not capable. The truth is that I have no way of knowing what his capabilities are. Honestly, I don't know how you would? I just keep coming back to it. How does a guy who has relatively know political clout, no real political backround to speak of, no military career to draw on, get to the point where he may be the next President of the United States. Lets just forget for a moment, what nationality this man is. Even if he were a white man, how would you get where he is so fast?

That's what worries me.

im just answering the question in red above.
yes there have been people elected with as little or less experience.
abe lincoln......2 years House of Rep.
wendell wilkie.....no elected office
woodrow wilson.......2 years New Jersey Governor
dwight eisenhower.....no elected office ( but he did do a good job in WW2)

thats just some quick searching to answer your question

im really starting to think your questions were not meant to be answered as you have dismissed the answers i have given so after this post i will just read what you write....i really dont like typing, i am a subscriber of the Crazy Cowboy mode of posting.

believe me i am okay with who you support, you have your reasons and i am fine with that. BUT if you ask a question at least consider the answers given you.

out

[trickblue]

im just answering the question in red above.
yes there have been people elected with as little or less experience.
abe lincoln......2 years House of Rep.
wendell wilkie.....no elected office
woodrow wilson.......2 years New Jersey Governor
dwight eisenhower.....no elected office ( but he did do a good job in WW2)

thats just some quick searching to answer your question

im really starting to think your questions were not meant to be answered as you have dismissed the answers i have given so after this post i will just read what you write....i really dont like typing, i am a subscriber of the Crazy Cowboy mode of posting.

believe me i am okay with who you support, you have your reasons and i am fine with that. BUT if you ask a question at least consider the answers given you.

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http://www.indianahistory.org/images/willkiecopy.gif

President Willkie? ;)

[ZB9]

:rolleyes:

I can not for the life of me understand why some of you refuse to accept that he has accomplished a great deal by being the first black man to reach the heights of being the nominee of a major party who potentially could be the next president of the united states.

I can understand the historic aspect in a man with African American heritage being elected to the highest office. That will probably be the ONLY positive I will be able to take solace in and be happy about if Obama is elected.

but you cant even argue rationally with black folks this election...they are so excited to see anyone with any black heritage get elected President that they are blind to really looking at the serious and real questions regarding Barack.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I can understand the historic aspect in a man with African American heritage being elected to the highest office. That will probably be the ONLY positive I will be able to take solace in and be happy about if Obama is elected.

but you cant even argue rationally with black folks this election...they are so excited to see anyone with any black heritage get elected President that they are blind to really looking at any real serious questions regarding Barack.

Look...I don't agree with many of his stances. I have been on record for a long time that I am against Universal Health Care and even worse than that...at this time where we are already so far in debt and bailing out so many companies.

I have also been on record many times saying I will not vote for Obama.

I have already stated several times that I think we lose no matter if we wind up with McCain or Obama.

Now do I rip on McCain more...sure because at one time I was going to vote for him and he turned out to be a big disappointment to me. Do I tend to defend Obama more....yes because this zone is mostly conservative voters and I happen to think some are not just voting against Obama because he is a liberal democrat...although I do think the majority are voting against him for just that reason.

However to my knowledge, you are the first person on the conservative side, off the top of my head, that sees what I am talking about when most are just not willing to talk about the achievement he has made and could further make.

I don't care if someone likes the guy or hates the guy...it is something pretty special to get this far in this day and age.

Same can be said if the McCain/Palin ticket prevails. I don't say it right now because Geraldine was the first woman VP nominee but if the McCain ticket wins they will have the first female VP in USA history and whether anyone likes her or hates her that is an accomplishment and a moment in history.

However some are so bitter and partisian in here they that they just can't bring themselves to see it...no wait I think they see it, to admit it.

[ZB9]

Well look.

When you are the manchurian candidate, when you are the messiah, when you are the one, when you are a commie, when you are a christian, when you are a muslim, when you are in cahoots with the weatherman to blow stuff up...it is hard to keep some things straight like the language spoken in some foreign country.....then again...he could just making that gaffe on purpose to throw everyone off...DUN DUN DUN (evil music) :p:

lol the rest of your post make sense, but no one thinks Obama is "in cahoots" with "the weatherman" to blow stuff up. The question is about what kind of character Obama has, and what kind of American values...if he is willing to associate with, work with, and later defend to people in interviews someone with the type of known history that Ayers and Dohrn has.

You would think that someone with that type of history would be "persona non grata" for someone in government...but for Senator Obama he was just another radical. When you associate with as many radical individuals as Barack Obama did in Chicago and elsewhere, then I guess it's no big deal

[Bach]

Do I tend to defend Obama more....yes because this zone is mostly conservative voters and I happen to think some are not just voting against Obama because he is a liberal democrat...although I do think the majority are voting against him for just that reason.

So you don't think most conservatives oppose him because he's a liberal?

[ZB9]

Look...I don't agree with many of his stances. I have been on record for a long time that I am against Universal Health Care and even worse than that...at this time where we are already so far in debt and bailing out so many companies.

I have also been on record many times saying I will not vote for Obama.

I have already stated several times that I think we lose no matter if we wind up with McCain or Obama.

Now do I rip on McCain more...sure because at one time I was going to vote for him and he turned out to be a big disappointment to me. Do I tend to defend Obama more....yes because this zone is mostly conservative voters and I happen to think some are not just voting against Obama because he is a liberal democrat...although I do think the majority are voting against him for just that reason.

you keep balance in the force. That is cool

something tells me that you like to be something of a contrarian in the environment that you are in...that is a good way to be :)

However to my knowledge, you are the first person on the conservative side, off the top of my head, that sees what I am talking about when most are just not willing to talk about the achievement he has made and could further make.

I don't care if someone likes the guy or hates the guy...it is something pretty special to get this far in this day and age.

Same can be said if the McCain/Palin ticket prevails. I don't say it right now because Geraldine was the first woman VP nominee but if the McCain ticket wins they will have the first female VP in USA history and whether anyone likes her or hates her that is an accomplishment and a moment in history.

However some are so bitter and partisian in here they that they just can't bring themselves to see it...no wait I think they see it, to admit it.

it's absolutely a big accomplishment. He has already made history by becoming the Democratic nominee. Barack absolutely deserves serious props for that and he will deserve props if he is elected President.

That is definitely a positive, but making history is not reason alone to elect him any more than Palin being a women is a reason alone to elect her (btw, women are around 57 percent of voters, while black folks are around 9 percent of voters...but I digress). Also, his race should not prevent someone from discussing serious questions about him without worrying about someone getting overly PC.

The historical aspect of Senator Obama's campaign is seriously outweighed by the fact that the guy is a borderline radical. He is certainly a left wing whacko, no matter how far he runs to the center to try and get elected. I often think it is necessary for the pendulum to swing back and forth from Dems to Repubs to balance things out, but not this time with the way things are in the world. It would not be good for the pendulum to swing THAT far to the left. If he is elected, Senator Obama will make history in another way also in that he will be the most liberal person ever elected President. The negatives will seriously outweigh the positives

[Bach]

Obama supporters at a rally over the weekend:

http://library.thinkquest.org/12663/media/img/salute.jpg

[ABQCOWBOY]

im just answering the question in red above.
yes there have been people elected with as little or less experience.
abe lincoln......2 years House of Rep.
wendell wilkie.....no elected office
woodrow wilson.......2 years New Jersey Governor
dwight eisenhower.....no elected office ( but he did do a good job in WW2)

thats just some quick searching to answer your question

im really starting to think your questions were not meant to be answered as you have dismissed the answers i have given so after this post i will just read what you write....i really dont like typing, i am a subscriber of the Crazy Cowboy mode of posting.

believe me i am okay with who you support, you have your reasons and i am fine with that. BUT if you ask a question at least consider the answers given you.

out

Thank you for answering. However, I am not aware of you answering this quesiton previously. This is the first post you have addressed that question in.

I will have to read up on Lincoln but I believe that he was a leading member of the Whig Party for several years and then joined the newly formed Republican Party and won a Senate seat as a Republican. However, he was not new to Politics. He had, in fact, made a name for himself on the national political landscape of the times because of his work on Slavery and Human Rights issues. He was very well known before running for President. Having said this, the comparison betweent he two is a good one. Granted, at the time frame in which Lincoln ran was much different then our own. A commen man could get elected President then. No longer. Never the less, there are simularities.

Wilson is probably the better example. He seems to have had very little political backround, to speak of. Governer of NY but really nothing other then that. He would be, to me, a better comparision. However, Wilson was very popular and not unheard of in American simply because his father was a founding member of the Presbyterian Church in America. Because of this, he had a great deal of influence, into politics.

Ike doesn't fit at all. Because of his role as Supreme Allied Comander, he was very experienced and qualified for considerations of the Presidency. This is a man who personally knew and had working relationships with every leader of the free world. Probably not a good example.

There is some presidence, but certainly nothing in almost 100 years. I would dare say that Obama is less known then either Lincoln or Wilson were at the time of there elections.

Thank you for researching this.

[Angus]

Look...I don't agree with many of his stances. I have been on record for a long time that I am against Universal Health Care and even worse than that...at this time where we are already so far in debt and bailing out so many companies.

I have also been on record many times saying I will not vote for Obama.

I have already stated several times that I think we lose no matter if we wind up with McCain or Obama.

Now do I rip on McCain more...sure because at one time I was going to vote for him and he turned out to be a big disappointment to me. Do I tend to defend Obama more....yes because this zone is mostly conservative voters and I happen to think some are not just voting against Obama because he is a liberal democrat...although I do think the majority are voting against him for just that reason.

However to my knowledge, you are the first person on the conservative side, off the top of my head, that sees what I am talking about when most are just not willing to talk about the achievement he has made and could further make.

I don't care if someone likes the guy or hates the guy...it is something pretty special to get this far in this day and age.

Same can be said if the McCain/Palin ticket prevails. I don't say it right now because Geraldine was the first woman VP nominee but if the McCain ticket wins they will have the first female VP in USA history and whether anyone likes her or hates her that is an accomplishment and a moment in history.

However some are so bitter and partisian in here they that they just can't bring themselves to see it...no wait I think they see it, to admit it.

His rising to the position he now holds is a personal accomplishment, but no reason to elect him. The same for Sarah Palin. I support her but not because she is the first woman on a national Republican ticket, which is, for her, a personal accomplishment.

I support her because I think her election, along with McCain, will be advantageous for the country. I oppose Obama because I think his election would be disastrous for the country, not merely bad, disastrous. His is a radical, not merely liberal, viewpoint that I expect him to implement if elected.

:)

[BrAinPaiNt]

His rising to the position he now holds is a personal accomplishment, but no reason to elect him. The same for Sarah Palin. I support her but not because she is the first woman on a national Republican ticket, which is, for her, a personal accomplishment.

I support her because I think her election, along with McCain, will be advantageous for the country. I oppose Obama because I think his election would be disastrous for the country, not merely bad, disastrous. His is a radical, not merely liberal, viewpoint that I expect him to implement if elected.

:)

:banghead: :banghead: Where have I said that we should elect him...where?

I have said time and time again that I will not vote for him and I think this country loses whether it is Mccain or Obama that wins.

But that does not take away from the fact that it is an accomplishment of and an important part of history in the USA.

Something that people would rather fight about than admit to it.

So again...show me where I said that is a good reason to elect him? I have never even implied that I believe it is a good reason to elect him.

However anyone who can think logically would know what many black people would be proud of him and think it is a great thing that he has reached this level. I mean that just seems like common sense even if the black person is a hard core conservative who will vote for McCain.

[trickblue]

Obama supporters at a rally over the weekend:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/cowboyszone/political/obama_1984.jpg ;)

[Angus]

:banghead: :banghead: Where have I said that we should elect him...where?

I have said time and time again that I will not vote for him and I think this country loses whether it is Mccain or Obama that wins.

But that does not take away from the fact that it is an accomplishment of and an important part of history in the USA.

Something that people would rather fight about than admit to it.

So again...show me where I said that is a good reason to elect him? I have never even implied that I believe it is a good reason to elect him.

However anyone who can think logically would know what many black people would be proud of him and think it is a great thing that he has reached this level. I mean that just seems like common sense even if the black person is a hard core conservative who will vote for McCain.

I can agree with you at last. :D

:)

[Achozen]

yea ok....and an associate of mine that works in congress told me that B. Hussein Obama told him that Obama supports Hamas.
That's what I hate about politics. You know your VP candidate is way in over her head, but you have to defend her just because she's a Conservative, err...Maverick.

Whether you believe the story or not, it's not something that would surprise you, if true.

Again, why do you type his middle name like that? Am supposed to be offended?

[Bach]

That's what I hate about politics. You know your VP candidate is way in over her head, but you have to defend her just because she's a Conservative, err...Maverick.

Whether you believe the story or not, it's not something that would surprise you, if true.

Again, why do you type his middle name like that, like I'm supposed to be offended?

And most Obama supporters know he has no experience and is nothing more than an empty suit, but he is now propped up and they will blindly follow.

[masomenos]

Again, why do you type his middle name like that? Am supposed to be offended?

Scare tactic.

The argument for it is that plenty of other politicians have there middle names referenced, JFK, FDR, George W. Bush, Lyndon B. Johnson, etc. If that were the reason though then why not refer to McCain as John Sidney McCain, or JSM, or John S. McCain? If Obama's middle name was Ronald then you wouldn't hear a peep about it.

[adamc91115]

Why do these kids need Obama to be inspired for all this and that...

"Because of Obama, we take personal reponsibility for our lives..."

What?! You need someone to inspire you to do that? I take personal responsibility on my own, I don't need someone to inspire me to do it.

Whats frightening about this video, and I guess some people don't realize this, is that its starting to sound like people will follow this fool no matter what. And that scares me...

[Bach]

Why do these kids need Obama to be inspired for all this and that...

"Because of Obama, we take personal reponsibility for our lives..."

What?! You need someone to inspire you to do that? I take personal responsibility on my own, I don't need someone to inspire me to do it.

Seriously. If it takes some upstart politician to actually inspire someone to take personal responsible, then that person needs to get a life.

Whats frightening about this video, and I guess some people don't realize this, is that its starting to sound like people will follow this fool no matter what. And that scares me...

Well, he is The Chosen One. The Messiah, ya know.

[Sasquatch]

Again, why do you type his middle name like that? Am supposed to be offended?

The reality of a multicultural USA has not penetrated certain insular minds who think the name is suspiciously exotic and frightening and possessed of black magic voodoo.

[poke]

Why do these kids need Obama to be inspired for all this and that...

"Because of Obama, we take personal reponsibility for our lives..."

What?! You need someone to inspire you to do that? I take personal responsibility on my own, I don't need someone to inspire me to do it.

Whats frightening about this video, and I guess some people don't realize this, is that its starting to sound like people will follow this fool no matter what. And that scares me...

totally self made " men" are very rare, somewhere someone has inspired you
too. why dontcha just tell us who it was ?

[Bach]

The Cult of Obamanality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcIwvHZUl4

[ZB9]

Scare tactic.

The argument for it is that plenty of other politicians have there middle names referenced, JFK, FDR, George W. Bush, Lyndon B. Johnson, etc. If that were the reason though then why not refer to McCain as John Sidney McCain, or JSM, or John S. McCain? If Obama's middle name was Ronald then you wouldn't hear a peep about it.

Again, why do you type his middle name like that? Am supposed to be offended?

Your right. I should have said Senator B. Hussein Obama. My bad.

That is his name. What is wrong with the name "Hussein" for President of the United States lol?

anyway, his name is waaaay down the list of concerns I have about the Senator's resume.

[masomenos]

Why do these kids need Obama to be inspired for all this and that...

"Because of Obama, we take personal reponsibility for our lives..."

What?! You need someone to inspire you to do that? I take personal responsibility on my own, I don't need someone to inspire me to do it.

Whats frightening about this video, and I guess some people don't realize this, is that its starting to sound like people will follow this fool no matter what. And that scares me...

They don't need Obama to be inspired, per se, they just need a positive role model and he fills that roll. It's likely that they share similar backgrounds as Obama, perhaps also having been abandoned by their fathers. They share a commonality and the kids looks at Obama's success, despite his race, and see it as evidence that the country may not be as bad as their grandparents tell them. They look at Obama's success and see their own potential which is a very valuable thing in a culture that largely idolizes rappers, a negative influence.

It's no different than kids looking at an athlete for inspiration. A teenage football player may have posters of his athletic idol in his room and he may know all the history behind that player, all the stats, etc. It's just, in this case, the kids are aspiring to be lawyers and engineers and they look at Obama as evidence that they too can make it.

It's no rare thing for people to look at successful figures for inspiration.

[masomenos]

Your right. I should have said Senator B. Hussein Obama. My bad.

That is his name. What is wrong with the name "Hussein" for President of the United States lol?

anyway, his name is waaaay down the list of concerns I have about the Senator's resume.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but some do and that's who the scare tactic is directed at. Like I said, none of the other candidates middle names are brought up, not McCain, not Biden and not Palin. And by your own admission the name is a concern to you, it's just far down the list. It's not even something that should be on the list.

[ZB9]

And by your own admission the name is a concern to you, it's just far down the list. It's not even something that should be on the list.

ha im not burdened with PC. Why cant it be on the list?

I dont want someone with possible Muslim connections in his past to be the POTUS. I have nothing against Muslims, at least the peaceful majority of them, but we are talking about the President of the United States here. People that dont have Muslim heritage are not named "Hussein".

anyway, perhaps it's because I was a history major and dont feel that "Hussein" fits in with the lineage of American Presidents...but like I said, it's waaaay down the list of "issues" I personally have.

The PC police can come arrest me now :)

[adamc91115]

Oh well, I guess its just a difference of ideology...

I tend to find people who aren't self-sufficient to be weak.

I'm not one to make excuses about things... If I can't do it its my own fault, no one elses.

[masomenos]

ha im not burdened with PC. Why cant it be on the list?

I dont want someone with possible Muslim connections in his past to be the POTUS. I have nothing against Muslims, at least the peaceful majority of them, but we are talking about the President of the United States here.

Perhaps it's because I was a history major and dont feel that "Hussein" fits in with the lineage of American Presidents...but like I said, it's waaaay down the list of "issues" I personally have.

The PC police can come arrest me now :)

It's not a matter of political correctness. And if you care so little about being PC, please bring up discussions on how being a tortured POW may have left McCain mentally unstable. It's just a small concern, but hey, may as well put it on the list along with Obama possibly being a Muslim.

As a history major you may also know that the name "Sarah" doesn't exactly follow presidential/VP lineage either. Concerns there?

sidenote: I'm not concerned with McCain's mental state due to age/war, it was just an example.

[arglebargle]

Obama supporters at a rally over the weekend:

http://library.thinkquest.org/12663/media/img/salute.jpg

Funny, I thought it was a group of Neocons celebrating the newest addition to the Patriot Act.

[ZB9]

It's not a matter of political correctness. And if you care so little about being PC, please bring up discussions on how being a tortured POW may have left McCain mentally unstable. It's just a small concern, but hey, may as well put it on the list along with Obama possibly being a Muslim.

As a history major you may also know that the name "Sarah" doesn't exactly follow presidential/VP lineage either. Concerns there?


sure, and it's been brought up in the campaign...but he has an extensive record of behavior in government over the past 26 years to look at.

[Beast_from_East]

That, unfortunately, is the Saturday Night Live/MSM/Hollywood characature of Palin, actually Matt Damon brought that up if I'm not mistaken. But you get the point. She never claimed anything of the sort regarding dinosaurs...that is pushed simply because she's a Christian. It's a presumption only. The whole "I can see Russia from my house!" was never uttered by Palin, but is being thrust into the air like a flag as "evidence" she is unqualified for VP, or if the need arises, the Big P (heh - sorry, had to do that). In fact, her home is nowhere near sight-line of Russia. What she said in the Gibson interview was that Russia and AK are so close that from a small island of AK you can see Russian territory. While going on about her smattering of foreign policy experience, that was indeed brought up, but in the capacity of a throw away line. She more forcefully pointed to the negotiations that went into striking the natural gas pipeline with Canada. But, since that doesn't fit the template of making her look like a dolt, that bit is completely ignored and just as quickly forgotten by those so inclined (after all, it *was* negotiating with a foreign nation or their representatives in order to get a private project struck). That, and the line of being able to see Russian Federation territory from a small island of AK was quickly rewritten to "I can see Russia from my House!" and presented as if that's what she actually said. We are told time and time again that the unfiltered Palin we see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears is not the "real" Palin - for that we must rely on selectively edited interviews, cutting her off in mid-reply and stitching together parts of a reply to another question. For better or worse, though, and whatever the result, from my readings over the weekend and into Mon morning it looks like the leash and muzzle may be off the "pit bull" - so things will really get interesting in this home stretch.:cool:

Is she is so worried about being "filtered" by the media in taped interviews, why doesnt she just do live interviews?

I am sure that any network out there would be more than happy to do a sit-down live interview with her. That way she does not have to worry about being edited, she can talk straight to the American people that way.

You and I both know the McCain campaign will never let her do a live, unscripted interview with the networks, so lets drop the fake outrage. When all you do is pre-taped interviews and then you complain about being edited, that is called whinning in my book.

Wasnt is Palin herself that when asked about Hillary complaining about the media she said somthing to the effect, "any perceived whine does us women no good, be a better candidate, be better and dont whine". (Im paraphrasing here).

[ConcordCowboy]

Funny, I thought it was a group of Neocons celebrating the newest addition to the Patriot Act.

:bow: :laugh2:

[Beast_from_East]

ha I dont know. Ive got my stereotypes confused right now

I might have gotten it backwards. It's Hamas that endorses Obama, not Obama that supports Hamas. Im sure that is another coveted endorsement that he can put right along side AQ, Ahmadenijad(sp?), and Ghadafi.

one refreshing thing though is that I saw a gaffe where Obama didnt know what the majority language is in Afghanistan. He thinks they speak Arab. I guess that means his "57 states" thing wasnt a Freudian slip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae-Ak9WuUio

You are calling out Obama for making gaffes when McCain is like a walking gaffe machine?
Does Iraq and Pakistan still share the same border as McCain stated?:lmao2:

Does he still want to fire the head of the FEC, as he said?:lmao2:

I am not coming to Obama's defense here, I frankly could care less. However, when one side starts attacking the other for somehting they have done themselves..........well, I cant let hypocrisy go without calling it out.

[masomenos]

You are calling out Obama for making gaffes when McCain is like a walking gaffe machine?
Does Iraq and Pakistan still share the same border as McCain stated?:lmao2:

Does he still want to fire the head of the FEC, as he said?:lmao2:

I am not coming to Obama's defense here, I frankly could care less. However, when one side starts attacking the other for somehting they have done themselves..........well, I cant let hypocrisy go without calling it out.

Let us not forget about Palin, who recently called Afghanistan a neighboring country.

“They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan,” she told several hundred supporters at a fundraising event in San Francisco.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/10/05/in-slip-up-palin-calls-afghanistan-our-neighboring-country/

[Beast_from_East]

If Palin were running for President, I would have the same questions and concerns. She is not. She was hand picked by McCain. McCain had to win the backing of his entire party to become the Presidential candidate for the Republican Party. That's a very different thing indeed. The two are not the same. As I said earlier, color is of no importance in regards to this question. Anybody who gains that much power, that quickly would make we wonder.

But that is how she is being presented by McCain and the republicans, they are saying that she is qualified to be President.

McCain said that the #1 criteria in selecting a running mate would be that that person would be able to step in for him if something was to happen. He then has argued that being a mayor of a town of 9000 people and being in PTA has quailified her to be President. These are McCain's own words.

So to say Obama does not have experience to be quailfied to be POTUS, but Palin does is an empty argument since McCain himself said she was the most qualified person in the Republican Party to take over for him.

An apparant contradiction, dont you think.

[masomenos]

He then has argued that being a mayor of a town of 9000 people and being in PTA has quailified her to be President.

After, in the GOP debates, noting how he was more qualified than Romney and Guilliani by saying "I was not a mayor for a short time, I was not a governor for a short time..."

[ZB9]

You are calling out Obama for making gaffes when McCain is like a walking gaffe machine?
Does Iraq and Pakistan still share the same border as McCain stated?:lmao2:

Does he still want to fire the head of the FEC, as he said?:lmao2:

I am not coming to Obama's defense here, I frankly could care less. However, when one side starts attacking the other for somehting they have done themselves..........well, I cant let hypocrisy go without calling it out.

Sen. McCain has absolutely nothing on Sen. Obama when it comes to gaffes...and McCain has an actual record to back it up. He "walks the walk" so to speak

[ZB9]

The reality of a multicultural USA has not penetrated certain insular minds who think the name is suspiciously exotic and frightening and possessed of black magic voodoo.

his resume and associations are what are "frightening"

Google "Barack Obama, Raila Odinga, Mwai Kibaki"

The radical associations go on and on

[Wheat]

Google John McCain and Charlie Black.

[ABQCOWBOY]

But that is how she is being presented by McCain and the republicans, they are saying that she is qualified to be President.

McCain said that the #1 criteria in selecting a running mate would be that that person would be able to step in for him if something was to happen. He then has argued that being a mayor of a town of 9000 people and being in PTA has quailified her to be President. These are McCain's own words.

So to say Obama does not have experience to be quailfied to be POTUS, but Palin does is an empty argument since McCain himself said she was the most qualified person in the Republican Party to take over for him.

An apparant contradiction, dont you think.


Being nominated for your parties Presidential Candidate and being qualifed to be VP are two very different things. I will also point out that you are missing my point entirely. This is not about Palin being qualifed. This is definatly not about Obama being qualified. He's not, so far as I can tell. This is about how you become powerful enough, in a relatively short period of time, to become President. Obama has not been around the national political scene very long. How does a guy like Obama manage to gain the power to run for President in such a short period of time?

[ZB9]

Google John McCain and Charlie Black.

Black supposedly covered up for McCain a "romantic relationship" with a lobby woman? Oh noes!!!

that was determined to be BS. Even if it were true, it is not the same level as the association im talking about with Odinga.

[Hostile]

I guess I am naive. I don't see anything frightening or wrong with that video.

A man gave them hope that they could achieve their dreams? Good for him. Good for them. They could achieve them without his hope, but what does that matter? They are trying to focus on a positive.

I find that kind of cool.

This is a scare tactic, and I just don't agree with them. From either party.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sen. McCain has absolutely nothing on Sen. Obama when it comes to gaffes...and McCain has an actual record to back it up. He "walks the walk" so to speak

No he has many many more gaffs.

You just don't see or hear about them as much because the media has had a obsession with both Obama and now Palin.

I have said it many times before and it still holds true.

The McCain camp is just darn luck the media was obsessing over Obama and now palin because it has overshadowed the many many gaffes he has done.

Like Lieberman having to correct him twice while giving a speech in another country.

Like more recently when he was asked about a leader in spain and he either had no clue who he was or flat out refused to meet with him even though spain is an ally in nato.

The Economy is fundamentally strong and then it was not.

To admitting he is not up to par with the economy.

To saying (although this was some time back) that he did not forsee the subprime problem.

To changing many stances on a number of occasions.

Don't fool yourself. He has been a gaffe machine and not just messing up a word or mispronouncing a foreign leaders name either. You just did not see or hear it much because the media had their eyes elsewhere.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Being nominated for your parties Presidential Candidate and being qualifed to be VP are two very different things. I will also point out that you are missing my point entirely. This is not about Palin being qualifed. This is definatly not about Obama being qualified. He's not, so far as I can tell. This is about how you become powerful enough, in a relatively short period of time, to become President. Obama has not been around the national political scene very long. How does a guy like Obama manage to gain the power to run for President in such a short period of time?

Because he is the secret antichrist muslim manchurian candidate?

[masomenos]

Because he is the secret antichrist muslim manchurian candidate?

You forgot socialist and radical.

[Achozen]

ha im not burdened with PC. Why cant it be on the list?

I dont want someone with possible Muslim connections in his past to be the POTUS. I have nothing against Muslims, at least the peaceful majority of them, but we are talking about the President of the United States here. People that dont have Muslim heritage are not named "Hussein".

anyway, perhaps it's because I was a history major and dont feel that "Hussein" fits in with the lineage of American Presidents...but like I said, it's waaaay down the list of "issues" I personally have.

The PC police can come arrest me now :)
Yeah, because the U.S doesn't have a separation of church and state and Obama would end up putting Allah in the national anthem.

:rolleyes:

[Maikeru-sama]

ha im not burdened with PC. Why cant it be on the list?

I dont want someone with possible Muslim connections in his past to be the POTUS. I have nothing against Muslims, at least the peaceful majority of them, but we are talking about the President of the United States here. People that dont have Muslim heritage are not named "Hussein".

anyway, perhaps it's because I was a history major and dont feel that "Hussein" fits in with the lineage of American Presidents...but like I said, it's waaaay down the list of "issues" I personally have.

The PC police can come arrest me now :)

Wow..just wow.

At least your honest.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'm just not sure I trust the majority of Americans to be smart enough to see him for what he is. Too many fall for the empty words without looking at the substance.

well all parties, Reps in particular have counted on the voters being dumb for years, hell the Reps attack opponents for being educated, so you are probably right

[ZB9]

Wow..just wow.

At least your honest.

like I said, it's waaay down on my checklist. I dont even make it that far down on my Obama checklist after the first few items

and like I said, I dont have anything against Islam or the peaceful majority of Muslims...but when it comes to the President of the United States, the name Hussein just doesnt seem to fit next to John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, etc...I know that sounds bad. Perhaps I am not enlightened enough.

Actually though, believe it or not, I would feel much better about it personally if he was out in the open and proud about his heritage like he should be, instead of suppressing it and removing Muslim supporters from his rallies, etc.. What is there to hide? It creates an issue out of something that could have been a strength for him.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

like I said, it's waaay down on my checklist. I dont even make it that far down on my Obama checklist after the first few items

and like I said, I dont have anything against Islam or the peaceful majority of Muslims...but when it comes to the President of the United States, the name Hussein just doesnt seem to fit next to John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, etc...I know that sounds bad. Perhaps I am not enlightened enough.

Actually though, believe it or not, I would feel much better about it personally if he was out in the open and proud about his heritage like he should be, instead of suppressing it and removing Muslim supporters from his rallies, etc.. What is there to hide? It creates an issue out of something that could have been a strength for him.


maybe he isn't suppressing anything because he isn't muslim?

[ZB9]

Yeah, because the U.S doesn't have a separation of church and state and Obama would end up putting Allah in the national anthem.

:rolleyes:

actually, once elected, a strong possibility is that Senator Obama could overcompensate more than he already has and end up upsetting and disrespecting Muslim-Americans even more.

[ZB9]

maybe he isn't suppressing anything because he isn't muslim?

I guess you havent read the cliff notes of either of his memoirs.

anyway, his name and much of his heritage is Muslim.

[Maikeru-sama]

I guess I am naive. I don't see anything frightening or wrong with that video.

A man gave them hope that they could achieve their dreams? Good for him. Good for them. They could achieve them without his hope, but what does that matter? They are trying to focus on a positive.

I find that kind of cool.

This is a scare tactic, and I just don't agree with them. From either party.

Not naive, just not a blatant partisan hack.

And you are correct, this is nothing more than a scare tactic.

Branding Obama as the "scary muslim" is just as distasteful as trying to portray Sarah Palin as a complete idiot and those John McCain "cancer" ads.

[Maikeru-sama]

like I said, it's waaay down on my checklist. I dont even make it that far down on my Obama checklist after the first few items

and like I said, I dont have anything against Islam or the peaceful majority of Muslims...but when it comes to the President of the United States, the name Hussein just doesnt seem to fit next to John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, etc...I know that sounds bad. Perhaps I am not enlightened enough.

Actually though, believe it or not, I would feel much better about it personally if he was out in the open and proud about his heritage like he should be, instead of suppressing it and removing Muslim supporters from his rallies, etc.. What is there to hide? It creates an issue out of something that could have been a strength for him.

Umm yeah, the names are going to be similar because at one time you had to be a white male to obtain the title of POTUS.

Sorry, but this is a close minded as it gets.

America is going to lose out on some great leadership if they start filtering by name.

But at least your honest.

[ZB9]

btw, why is it that people can imply all kinds of negative sentiments about Palin or anyone else's Christian past or family upbringing and the negative implications are completely acceptable and even celebrated...yet when someone says they have questions about someone's Muslim heritage or upbringing, they are considered "insensitive" or "close minded"?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I guess you havent read the cliff notes of either of his memoirs.

anyway, his name and much of his heritage is Muslim.

heaven forbid his heritage be muslim

he says he is a christian and no one has produced valid evidence that is not the case

if he were a jew, would you care?

[Bach]

he says he is a christian and no one has produced valid evidence that is not the case


His voting record leaves that up for debate.

[ZB9]

heaven forbid his heritage be muslim

he says he is a christian and no one has produced valid evidence that is not the case

if he were a jew, would you care?

um no, I wouldnt particularly want a Jew to be POTUS either.

im digging myself quite a hole. The PC police is really going to hate me now.

[Wheat]

um no, I wouldnt particularly want a Jew to be POTUS either.




How come?

[Maikeru-sama]

um no, I wouldnt particularly want a Jew to be POTUS either.

im digging myself quite a hole. The PC police is really going to hate me now.

Just curious, why not?

[Bob Sacamano]

Thank you for answering. However, I am not aware of you answering this quesiton previously. This is the first post you have addressed that question in.

I will have to read up on Lincoln but I believe that he was a leading member of the Whig Party for several years and then joined the newly formed Republican Party and won a Senate seat as a Republican. However, he was not new to Politics. He had, in fact, made a name for himself on the national political landscape of the times because of his work on Slavery and Human Rights issues. He was very well known before running for President. Having said this, the comparison betweent he two is a good one. Granted, at the time frame in which Lincoln ran was much different then our own. A commen man could get elected President then. No longer. Never the less, there are simularities.

Lincoln was elected due to a brilliant campaign strategy

the Lincoln/Douglass debates, I believe that it went on for 8 days at different stops, which put him on the map

like you said, he had the help of the Abolitionist votes

he maneuvered w/ politicians right up until the final votes were counted, which no other candidate thought to do, and which swayed alot of votes to his side

Obama will probably be elected because he's A.) black, and B.) not a Republican

you nailed it w/ the Dwight Eisenhower example, but you forgot to add that he was a brilliant tactician and a meticulous planner, which are amazing leadership qualities

[ZB9]

How come?

for one, it would not be good for our relations in the middle east region especially re: the Palestinian-Isreali conflict. Most of the region already hates us for our alliance with Isreal.

although, I still would have voted for a McCain-Leibermann ticket

[Maikeru-sama]

Lincoln was elected due to a brilliant campaign strategy

the Lincoln/Douglass debates, I believe that it went on for 8 days at different stops, which put him on the map

like you said, he had the help of the Abolitionist votes

he maneuvered w/ politicians right up until the final votes were counted, which no other candidate thought to do, and which swayed alot of votes to his side

Obama will probably be elected because he's A.) black, and B.) not a Republican

you nailed it w/ the Dwight Eisenhower example, but you forgot to add that he was a brilliant tactician and a meticulous planner, which are amazing leadership qualities

What is funny is that if someone made the claim that McCain would only be elected because he was "white", there would be all kinds of accusations of being racist and playing the race card.

So I am wondering if all the Black Bush appointees like Condie Rice and Colin Powell were appointed only because of their skin color? I think they were just qualified.

[Maikeru-sama]

for one, it would not be good for our relations in the middle east region especially re: the Palestinian-Isreali conflict. Most of the region already hates us for our alliance with Isreal.

although, I would still vote for a McCain-Leibermann ticket.

You do know Christianity is looked at with almost equal disdain by the radicals in that region?

[Bach]

What is funny is that if someone made the claim that McCain would only be elected because he was "white", there would be all kinds of accusations of being racist and playing the race card.

So I am wondering if all the Black Bush appointees like Condie Rice and Colin Powell were appointed only because of their skin color? I think they were just qualified.

McCain wouldn't be the first white President. He isn't being anointed as the Messiah and savior.

[Maikeru-sama]

McCain wouldn't be the first white President. He isn't being anointed as the Messiah and savior.

That's my point.

Some people think that people will never put a non-white president in office.

I gurantee you if Quinccy or some other zealot made that claim there would be all kinds of allegations of reverse racism and playing the race card.

But of course, it is okay to say Barack Obama is going to be president because he is black (half-black anyway).

Again, was Colin Powell and Condi Rice given the post of Secretary of State because they would be the first black man and black woman to hold that position or were they just qualified?

The double standard here is annoying.

[ZB9]

You do know Christianity is looked at with almost equal disdain by the radicals in that region?

we are getting waaay to deep man. Ill just say that, while there is disdain, it's not even close to being equal disdain overall. A lot of areas in Mesopotamia have had many Christians living with Muslims for QUITE a few years.

Much of the hatred is based on the state of Israel...our important alliance with the state and our role in creating the state. If we were to elect a Jewish leader, that would add to the hatred in the region. You see what im saying? It would be bad timing.

[Bob Sacamano]

What is funny is that if someone made the claim that McCain would only be elected because he was "white", there would be all kinds of accusations of being racist and playing the race card.

So I am wondering if all the Black Bush appointees like Condie Rice and Colin Powell were appointed only because of their skin color? I think they were just qualified.

you see the cover of Ebony magazine lately?

"Why Obama Should Become President"

some blacks are going to vote for Obama because, "he's one of us!"

and some whites are going to vote for Obama because, "it's time to right all our ancestor's wrongs!"

you should see how white people flock to the token, black guy at a party

even if you don't agree w the race issue, you still have to agree that Obama is in this position, not because of what he's done, but for who he is, he's the opposite of Bush, who everyone hates

[Cajuncowboy]

How is this frightening?

It's a group of young African-Americans who see Obama as an inspirational figure, giving them hope that they too can succeed despite their race.

"Take full responsibility for our own lives!"

"Have our own dreams...<hard to understand, I think it's>...but not at the expense of your dreams!"

"Always believe that we create our own destiny!"

"Demand more from our fathers to spend more time with their children by reading to them and teaching to them!"

Terrifying stuff guys. If any of the kids were forced to do this then it's an issue of forced indoctrination of political ideology, but if these kids wanted to learn about Obama's politics then there's no problem. Now, the comments say the club was shut down because they felt the sponsor must have created the club for political reasons. That's their call, I couldn't care less.

But realize that African-American youths are the least likely to have a father figure around and they have many negative role models pushed in front of them by popular culture. There kids are choosing a much more positive role model to follow than they could have, say someone like Lil' Wayne. I mean in the beginning of the video they're talking about wanting to become lawyers and engineers and architects, they believe that they can be anything, that's how kids should be.

You've GOT to be kidding???

"Because of Barack I aspire to be a mechanic!"

Good God.

How about aspiring to be a mechanic because you inspire you?

These guys need the messiah Barack to inspire them???

Hitler youth revisited. :banghead:

[Bach]

That's my point.

Some people think that people will never put a non-white president in office.

I gurantee you if Quinccy or some other zealot made that claim there would be all kinds of allegations of reverse racism and playing the race card.

But of course, it is okay to say Barack Obama is going to be president because he is black (half-black anyway).

Again, was Colin Powell and Condi Rice given the post of Secretary of State because they would be the first black man and black woman to hold that position or were they just qualified?

The double standard here is annoying.

The point is many people are voting for Obama just because he is black, primarily because he'd be the first black President.

As for Powell and Rice, they were appointed and they were qualified, unlike Obama who has spent as much time campaigning as he has actually serving as Senator.

[Bob Sacamano]

I saw a poll awhile ago, and like 98% of black people were voting for Obama, as opposed to Hillary

was that a freakin' coincidence?

probably the only black votes Hillary got were from black women

[WoodysGirl]

you see the cover of Ebony magazine lately?

"Why Obama Should Become President"

some blacks are going to vote for Obama because, "he's one of us!"

and some whites are going to vote for Obama because, "it's time to right all our ancestor's wrongs!"

you should see how white people flock to the token, black guy at a party

even if you don't agree w the race issue, you still have to agree that Obama is in this position, not because of what he's done, but for who he is, he's the opposite of Bush, who everyone hates
Ebony has a history of catering to a specific target audience. Not sure why one would be shocked at the positive spin coming out of that publication.

Do I agree with voting for Obama just because he's black? No. But it's certainly a big motivation for folks I know.

As to the other part of your post about white people voting to right their ancestor's wrong. Well I just think that's ridiculous.

Token, black guy at a party, huh? Couldn't be cuz they like the guy, huh? Interesting.

[Maikeru-sama]

you see the cover of Ebony magazine lately?

Why Obama Should Become President

some blacks are going to vote for Obama because, "he's one of us!"

and some whites are going to vote for Obama because, "it's time to right all our ancestor's wrongs!"

you should see how white people flock to the token, black guy at a party

And some whites are going to vote for John McCain because "he's one of us", so what's your point?

I bet the majority of the white votes Barack Obama gets will be based on primarily party affiliation.

Again, was the Bush Administration trying to right a wrong by giving Colin Powell and Condie Rice the Secretary of State job or were they just qualified?

[Cajuncowboy]

I guess I am naive. I don't see anything frightening or wrong with that video.

A man gave them hope that they could achieve their dreams? Good for him. Good for them. They could achieve them without his hope, but what does that matter? They are trying to focus on a positive.

I find that kind of cool.

This is a scare tactic, and I just don't agree with them. From either party.

Not a scare tactic Hos. This is pure indoctrination by a school teacher. They have no business doing this. That is not their job. The frightening part is that these kids are not taught to find hope anywhere but Barack Obama.

There is nothing "cool" about this.

Suppose a teacher had students do the same thing about McCain. The left wing screwballs would be screaming foul. As they should. But because it is the messiah, they are ok with it.

I'm telling you, this guy is freakin' dangerous and his policies are going to ruin this country.

[Maikeru-sama]

The point is many people are voting for Obama just because he is black, primarily because he'd be the first black President.

As for Powell and Rice, they were appointed and they were qualified, unlike Obama who has spent as much time campaigning as he has actually serving as Senator.

Again, I could equally paint a broad stroke and say that all the white people who will vote for John McCain are only doing so because he is white.

Just admit your statement is based on your hatred and bias of Barack Obama and not based on fact.

I will start my new job next week, I wonder if my white supervisor was trying to right past wrong :laugh2: .

As a black person, nothing is more insulting than someone claiming you only got where you are because you are black.

[Maikeru-sama]

Ebony has a history of catering to a specific target audience. Not sure why one would be shocked at the positive spin coming out of that publication.

Do I agree with voting for Obama just because he's black? No. But it's certainly a big motivation for folks I know.

As to the other part of your post about white people voting to right their ancestor's wrong. Well I just think that's ridiculous.

Token, black guy at a party, huh? Couldn't be cuz they like the guy, huh? Interesting.

Yeah, Bob says some crazy stuff but that one was a head scratcher.

[zrinkill]

I hate all you dirty full breeds .......


:)

[ZB9]

That's my point.

Some people think that people will never put a non-white president in office.

I gurantee you if Quinccy or some other zealot made that claim there would be all kinds of allegations of reverse racism and playing the race card.

But of course, it is okay to say Barack Obama is going to be president because he is black (half-black anyway).

Again, was Colin Powell and Condi Rice given the post of Secretary of State because they would be the first black man and black woman to hold that position or were they just qualified?

The double standard here is annoying.

Im sure there are people that will vote against him because he is black. However, a black man would not be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States if race was such an issue overall in this country.

imho, more people will be concerned with the "Hussein" thing. THAT is the elephant in the room in these times, not his race as much. The Dems wish he was just a black man, and not a black man with a Muslim upbringing.

personally, I dont care what color he is. The top reason on my list is the fact that his resume shows him as an anti-American radical, extreme liberal, far left whacko. I dont care how much he runs towards the center in the campaign. He will be the most liberal President ever elected.

The Democratic party really has changed since Bill Clinton repped the party in the 90s. It used to be more towards the center. It is being run now by far left tin foil hat whackos like Howard Dean, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, etc...

[Bob Sacamano]

Ebony has a history of catering to a specific target audience. Not sure why one would be shocked at the positive spin coming out of that publication.

Do I agree with voting for Obama just because he's black? No. But it's certainly a big motivation for folks I know.

As to the other part of your post about white people voting to right their ancestor's wrong. Well I just think that's ridiculous.



Token, black guy at a party, huh? Couldn't be cuz they like the guy, huh? Interesting.

that, or they could just want to talk to a black person

for alot of white people, it's cool to think, talk, act, and like a black person, esp. if you don't come into contact w/ them that often

when it comes to political leanings, the more liberal/hippy you are, the more apt you are to vote for a "different" candidate, which being young, black and Democratic would fit the bill

And some whites are going to vote for John McCain because "he's one of us", so what's your point?

I bet the majority of the white votes Barack Obama gets will be based on primarily party affiliation.

Again, was the Bush Administration trying to right a wrong by giving Colin Powell and Condie Rice the Secretary of State job or were they just qualified?

could it be that they were both qualified, and black?

there are many, different ways that a PRes. assembles a Cabinet

Abraham Lincoln assembled his Cabinet w/ 3 of his Political rivals

Ulysses S. Grant assembled his Cabinet w/ family and friends

could Bush have wanted some racial integration in his? it's the 21st Century

and you're forgetting about the young, white vote, who aren't going to be immersed too much in political leanings, and I do remember saying that his un-Republicanism is anther major reason for why he's where he's at

[Cajuncowboy]

Again, I could equally paint a broad stroke and say that all the white people who will vote for John McCain are only doing so because he is white.

Just admit your statement is based on your hatred and bias of Barack Obama and not based on fact.

I will start my new job next week, I wonder if my white supervisor was trying to right past wrong :laugh2: .

As a black person, nothing is more insulting than someone claiming you only got where you are because you are black.

The fact he is black is a major reason he is where he is. It sure isn't because he has accomplished anything of substance.

Shoot, we even had a debate on this board about whether he was the greatest black man in history or ever in the political world. If his race didn't play a part in that do you think we would have that discussion?

[Bach]

Again, I could equally paint a broad stroke and say that all the white people who will vote for John McCain are only doing so because he is white.

Just admit your statement is based on your hatred and bias of Barack Obama and not based on fact.


I didn't say all the voters for Obama are doing so because he's black. But I have seen and heard quite a few say that's why they are doing so. Sorry if this fact upsets you.

[Bob Sacamano]

black and Democratic

that's the popular vote right there, folks

sorry PC guys, that's just the way it is

shoot, Hilary is more qualified to be President, she was a freakin' 1st Lady for 2 terms, she just lost out because she was a woman

[WoodysGirl]

I hate all you dirty full breeds .......


:)I might be full of something, full breed isn't one of them.

that, or they could just want to talk to a black person

for alot of white people, it's cool to think, talk, act, and like a black person, esp. if you don't come into contact w/ them that often

when it comes to political leanings, the more liberal/hippy you are, the more apt you are to vote for a "different" candidate, which being young, black and Democratic would fit the bill

Interesting you say that, because I didn't find that to be true when I was in college and I KNOW it's not true in my workplace around my white co-workers and me being the only black person. Guess I'm not cool, hip, or black enough, whatever that means.

black and Democratic

that's the popular vote right there, folks

sorry PC guys, that's just the way it is

shoot, Hilary is more qualified to be President, she was a freakin' 1st Lady for 2 terms, she just lost out because she was a woman
Being first lady didn't make Hillary qualified, being a two-term senator did.

[Bob Sacamano]

I might be full of something, full breed isn't one of them.

Interesting you say that, because I didn't find that to be true when I was in college and I KNOW it's not true in my workplace around my white co-workers and me being the only black person. Guess I'm not cool, hip, or black enough, whatever that means.

that's it :)

but seriously, I'm talking partly from personal experience, I was a yo-boy in high school

Being first lady didn't make Hillary qualified, being a two-term senator did.

that too, but I'm pretty sure she learned alot about running a country from being an active, political wife of a President

hell, she probably even won a few arguments at home ;)

[Bach]

Being first lady didn't make Hillary qualified, being a two-term senator did.

She wasn't qualified, just more qualified than Obama.

[Cajuncowboy]

Here's a follow up to the video.

Middle School Teacher Suspended for 'Obama Frat' Spat
A Kansas City, Mo., middle school teacher was suspended for insubordination after he posted a video of his students chanting Barack Obama slogans on YouTube.

By Jennifer Lawinski


Monday, October 06, 2008


A middle school teacher in Missouri was suspended Monday for putting a video on YouTube of his students chanting lines from Barack Obama speeches and wearing military fatigues.

The video, called "Obama Youth -- Junior Fraternity Regiment," was posted by a YouTube user named "keepitwildtv" on Oct. 2. The school learned the video was on the Internet and took action against the teacher Monday morning.


Joyce McGautha, superintendent of the Urban Community Leadership Academy, a charter school for students in fifth through ninth grades in Kansas City, Mo., said that the video was probably taken last May during the Junior Fraternity's morning meeting at the school.

She would not disclose the teacher's name. "At this time because of the legal action that we'll probably have to take against the teacher, I'm not going to give his name," McGautha said.

Students at the school have 30-minute group sessions four times a week during which they are supposed to work on reading and writing. Once a week they are allowed to have "activities," McGautha said. There are 12 groups at the public charter school.

The Junior Fraternity students studied Obama's economic plan with the teacher, and the superintendent did not know whether the teacher or the students scripted the routine. The group should have also studied John McCain's economic plan, the superintendent said.

In the video, eighth- and ninth-graders wearing military camouflage pants and navy t-shirts chant and perform a routine in the style of a step show, a dance popular among African-American fraternities at universities.

Click here to see photos of the group in action.

The students enter the room chanting "Alpha. Omega. Alpha. Omega." Then, one at a time, they state things they were "inspired" to do by Barack Obama, including becoming an architect and a sheriff. At the end of the video, the students make statements about Obama's healthcare plan. "Obama's healthcare plan will be able to provide participants the ability to move from job to job without taking their healthcare coverage," one says.

"People are upset that possibly taxpayer money is being used to support one particular candidate," McGautha said, "and now I can understand that. And I didn't condone them. I try very, very hard to remain within the limits of the law. I think this is unfortunate."

She said she was aware of the video, and that many of the school's activities are recorded, but that the teacher had been warned in a letter not to put it on the Internet. If he did, she said, he should seek legal counsel.

The teacher's fate will be taken up by the charter school's board, she said.

"Certain things don't happen in public schools anyway, but there area lot of other ramifications when you take it public," McGautha said.

"As far as [the teacher is] concerned, I think he gets what was supposed to come to him. But I don't think the children should be the victims of his stupidity."

[ZB9]

btw, why is it that people can imply all kinds of negative sentiments about Palin or anyone else's Christian past or family upbringing and the negative implications are completely acceptable and even celebrated...yet when someone says they have questions about someone's Muslim heritage or upbringing, they are considered "insensitive" or "close minded"?

can someone please respond to this for me? Im very curious as to the answer. thx

[Maikeru-sama]

that's it

but seriously, I'm talking partly from personal experience, I was a yo-boy in high school


What's a "yo-boy"?

[Cajuncowboy]

can someone please respond to this for me? Im very curious as to the answer. thx

Simple, only democrats are allowed to do that because they are the party of tolerance and understanding.

:bang2:

[Bob Sacamano]

What's a "yo-boy"?

the most ridiculous looking person you'll ever meet

a white person who acts black w/ the get-up, the slang, the voice, tries to rap, lame, gay

[Sasquatch]

you see the cover of Ebony magazine lately?

"Why Obama Should Become President"

some blacks are going to vote for Obama because, "he's one of us!"

Isn't that the point behind Palin's whole "Joe-sixpack" and "hockey mom" routine? Not sure why people are shocked when others support candidates they identify with for whatever reason. I'm not saying it's the best reason to vote for someone but it's hardly uncommon or limited to African American supporters of Obama.

[Bob Sacamano]

Isn't that the point behind Palin's whole "Joe-sixpack" and "hockey mom" routine? Not sure why people are shocked when others support candidates they identify with for whatever reason. I'm not saying it's the good reason to vote for someone but it's hardly uncommon or limited to African American supporters of Obama.

I don't want to come off wrong saying this

but a black running against a white is the worst thing that could happen to this country

even if Barak was the most qualified candidate for the presidency, *******s are going to vote the other way based on race, and viceversa

same w/ McCain

either way, what someone has already said, whoever wins, we lose, it's like Alien V. Predator, neither candidate inspires much confidence in me, which is why I'm probably not voting again

[Sasquatch]

can someone please respond to this for me? Im very curious as to the answer. thx

Someone has missed the various threads where people have made repeated claims that the Koran is a terrorist manual, etc., etc..

[Maikeru-sama]

the most ridiculous looking person you'll ever meet

a white person who acts black w/ the get-up, the slang, the voice, tries to rap, lame, gay

What's acting black?

Im black and I don't rap and use alot of slang...maybe I need to be re-educated on what being black is.

Help me to understand.

[Bob Sacamano]

What's acting black?

Im black and I don't rap and use alot of slang...maybe I need to be re-educated on what being black is.

Help me to understand.

dude, seriously, go downtown or something and you'll see what I'm talking about

white people acting ghetto, make sense? sorry, I shouldn't have confused black w/ being ghetto

[Cajuncowboy]

What's acting black?

Im black and I don't rap and use alot of slang...maybe I need to be re-educated on what being black is.

Help me to understand.

He's referring to the stereotype perpetuated by people from BET, MTV, Source Magazine et al.

Want someone to blame, blame them.

[Achozen]

the most ridiculous looking person you'll ever meet

a white person who acts black w/ the get-up, the slang, the voice, tries to rap, lame, gay
Maybe that's who they are. Just let them be.

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe that's who they are. Just let them be.

I do let them be

I don't associate w/ them...at all

[WoodysGirl]

What's acting black?

Im black and I don't rap and use alot of slang...maybe I need to be re-educated on what being black is.

Help me to understand.
I'm curious, as well.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm curious, as well.

wears FUBU, Rocawear, do'rags, keeps the sticker on the hats

I can't be anymore clearer

[ZB9]

Simple, only democrats are allowed to do that because they are the party of tolerance and understanding.

:bang2:

and to think, it used to be the party of John F. Kennedy and Rev. Martin Luther King. Many of the best things to ever come out of the Democratic party would not have happened without . I guess many liberals of today would not have liked JFK's or FDR's outspoken Christian views.

The Democratic party really has turned into an ugly, hateful party. It's being run by left wing, anti-American radicals these days and is anything but tolerant imo.

[WoodysGirl]

wears FUBU, Rocawear, do'rags, keeps the sticker on the hats

I can't be anymore clearer
That's not acting black. That's liking a specific style of attire. Being black doesn't mean one has to wear hip-hop gear.

Don't confuse the hip-hop culture with only being a black thing, seeing as its a very cross-cultural phenomenon.

But I get it. It was a fad for you, not necessarily a lifestyle. You grew out of it. Am I right?

[Bob Sacamano]

That's not acting black. That's liking a specific style of attire. Being black doesn't mean one has to wear hip-hop gear.

Don't confuse the hip-hop culture with only being a black thing, seeing as its a very cross-cultural phenomenon.

But I get it. It was a fad for you, not necessarily a lifestyle. You grew out of it. Am I right?

yes, I did grow out of it

thank God, and I literally mean that

[MetalHead]

Isn't that the point behind Palin's whole "Joe-sixpack" and "hockey mom" routine? Not sure why people are shocked when others support candidates they identify with for whatever reason. I'm not saying it's the best reason to vote for someone but it's hardly uncommon or limited to African American supporters of Obama.

Joe six packs come in different colors and flavors.
I'm brown,and I'm a Joe sixpack.
My neighbor Kevin is another Joe...he's caucasian.

[ZB9]

Someone has missed the various threads where people have made repeated claims that the Koran is a terrorist manual, etc., etc..

im curious, would such comments about the Bible offend you also?

[Sasquatch]

im curious, would such comments about the Bible offend you also?

The Koran bashing was allowed to continue while criticism of the Bible is usually quashed immediately.

[Sasquatch]

Joe six packs come in different colors and flavors.
I'm brown,and I'm a Joe sixpack.
My neighbor Kevin is another Joe...he's caucasian.

Whereas all blacks are essentially the same?

[Bob Sacamano]

The Koran bashing was allowed to continue while criticism of the Bible is usually quashed immediately.

uh, there's a movie called "Religulous" coming out, poking fun at the Bible and religion in general

South Park and Family Guy make fun of all the time

[masomenos]

btw, why is it that people can imply all kinds of negative sentiments about Palin or anyone else's Christian past or family upbringing and the negative implications are completely acceptable and even celebrated...yet when someone says they have questions about someone's Muslim heritage or upbringing, they are considered "insensitive" or "close minded"?

For the same reason that people can imply that Obama is a radical Muslim and some people will accept it and celebrate it. There are people on both sides of the spectrum who condone attacks based on religion and family. It really works both ways. Going back to the example with McCains mental state, if someone brings that up then they're "unpatriotic".

[Bob Sacamano]

For the same reason that people can imply that Obama is a radical Muslim and some people will accept it and celebrate it. There are people on both sides of the spectrum who condone attacks based on religion and family. It really works both ways. Going back to the example with McCains mental state, if someone brings that up then they're "unpatriotic".

that's just being a ******

[ThaBigP]

That's not acting black. That's liking a specific style of attire. Being black doesn't mean one has to wear hip-hop gear.

Don't confuse the hip-hop culture with only being a black thing, seeing as its a very cross-cultural phenomenon.

But I get it. It was a fad for you, not necessarily a lifestyle. You grew out of it. Am I right?

Cheers. A friend of mine a while back was a girl from South Africa...definitely "black", but certainly not of the FUBU crowd. In fact she was quite disgusted by the hip-hop culture. She used to get ridiculed by that same crowd whenever she would speak and they would hear her accent...suddenly she wasn't "black" enough for them. She was African and as such...I dunno...perhaps it was because they thought that since she wasn't part of the "struggle" she didn't get to play their reindeer games. Or whatever. I get tired of a culture masquerading as "race" - if the hip-hop culture were truly a product of race, that would mean it is genetic. And as such anybody of the same genetic line would be of the same hip-hop culture no matter where they live in the world. That is simply not the case.

[masomenos]

Whereas all blacks are essentially the same?

They all keep the stickers on their hat according to Bob. :laugh2:

[MetalHead]

Whereas all blacks are essentially the same?
I did not say that,but sadly that's what you understood.
My bad.Next time I'll dumb down my answers,put a helmet and knee pads,oh and training wheels on them so no one gets hurt.

[Bob Sacamano]

They all keep the stickers on their hat according to Bob. :laugh2:
hai!..

[Sasquatch]

I did not say that,but sadly that's what you understood.
My bad.Next time I'll dumb down my answers,put a helmet and knee pads,oh and training wheels on them so no one gets hurt.

Please do. You wouldn't want people to get the wrong impression about you and your views.

[MetalHead]

wouldnt want anything construed as "Koran bashing" in the United States of America would we

personally, im not familiar with the Koran at all.

You can't even touch the Koran these days.
But you sure can desecrate the crucifix or toss cow dung on the Virgin Mary,and call it "art".
God has a surprise for us if we don't change our stupid ways.

[masomenos]

God has a surprise for us if we don't change our stupid ways.

More hurricanes?

[MetalHead]

Please do. You wouldn't want people to get the wrong impression about you and your views.

I share my views with those who made this country great,as I have studied them.
For the record,I'm practically an immigrant,and student of this great nation.
You don't know what you have.

[ZB9]

You can't even touch the Koran these days.
But you sure can desecrate the crucifix or toss cow dung on the Virgin Mary,and call it "art".
God has a surprise for us if we don't change our stupid ways.

you caught my post before I deleted

you are absolutely right man

[MetalHead]

you caught my post before I deleted

you are absolutely right man

We have to get our great country back.

[Sasquatch]

God has a surprise for us if we don't change our stupid ways.

He sure does: void.

[ZB9]

We have to get our great country back.

absolutely brother

I'll be one of those "bitter people clinging to my Christianity". Hell with anyone who has a problem with it.

[MetalHead]

He sure does: void.

Oh I forgot that Allah is your guy...my bad again.
Next time I'll further dumb down my answers,I'll use lights,colors,and will a playpen do?or do you prefer a jumper,or a swing?

[trickblue]

How come?

Just curious, why not?

I can answer this...

How could we negotiate with Arabs when a Jew is involved...

It is an issue I think...

I had originally suggested Lieberman as VP four years ago and this was pointed out to me... it is valid...

[trickblue]

What is funny is that if someone made the claim that McCain would only be elected because he was "white", there would be all kinds of accusations of being racist and playing the race card.

So I am wondering if all the Black Bush appointees like Condie Rice and Colin Powell were appointed only because of their skin color? I think they were just qualified.

You, sir, are a damned racist... :laugh2:

[trickblue]

wears FUBU, Rocawear, do'rags, keeps the sticker on the hats

I can't be anymore clearer

For those that don't know... FUBU wear is created by blacks... for blacks...

It stands for "For Us By Us"

I've been trying to launch my own clothing line for white kids... "For Us Caucasian Kids"...

I'm not getting any bites for some reason... :huh:

[vta]

For those that don't know... FUBU wear is created by blacks... for blacks...

It stands for "For Us By Us"

I've been trying to launch my own clothing line for white kids... "For Us Caucasian Kids"...

I'm not getting any bites for some reason... :huh:

:lmao2:

[Heisenberg]

I think this notion that African Americans are only voting for Obama because he is black is a bit out there. In 2004, Kerry pulled 88% of the AA vote. Obama is probably going to pull slightly more than that, but 9 out of 10 for Kerry? He isn't going to beat it by much.

The next thing I'll hear is that turnout will be higher. Well, in the primaries AA turnout was high, but so was youth turnout. I don't hear anyone claming ageism as young people rush to go vote for Obama.

Sure, there are some who are only voting for Obama because of race, but there are some who are only voting against him because of race. I just don't see it as some huge problem that all of the sudden showed up.

[zrinkill]

My real take on it is this.

Anyone who is voting for Obama just because of his race will be canceled out by those who will not vote for him because of his race.

Obama's main followers are young college aged kids who are enamored with his image and personality, they feel like they connect with him .... and liberals who feel he is the "anti-Bush".

McCain's main supporters are people who consider themselves "moderates" and Republicans who are scared of any Democrat in office.

Biden does not bring any voters to Obama that he did not already have in the bag.

Palin gave McCain the Conservative vote and middle class moms that he needed to be able to compete with Obama's rock star like MTV popularity.

This is gonna be a close race. Obama needs to be up in the polls ..... since polls are always gonna favor the more liberal candidate in a close race.

Come election day I fear what will happen when Either lose.

It can run the gambit between stock market crashes to riots in the street.

To Quote a wise man ...... Get your popcorn ready ..... Its gonna be a show.

[Maikeru-sama]

He's referring to the stereotype perpetuated by people from BET, MTV, Source Magazine et al.

Want someone to blame, blame them.

What do you mean by "people"?

[Maikeru-sama]

I'm curious, as well.

I doubt Bob even knows any black people.

[trickblue]

What do you mean by "people"?

black people? I'm just guessing here...

[Maikeru-sama]

black people? I'm just guessing here...

I was doing my Tropic Thunder bit.

[Beast_from_East]

Scare tactic.

The argument for it is that plenty of other politicians have there middle names referenced, JFK, FDR, George W. Bush, Lyndon B. Johnson, etc. If that were the reason though then why not refer to McCain as John Sidney McCain, or JSM, or John S. McCain? If Obama's middle name was Ronald then you wouldn't hear a peep about it.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[WoodysGirl]

I doubt Bob even knows any black people.
Sure he does. The token, black guy at the party who's hip and cool to hang around. ;)

:D

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is one of those threads where some people were better served if they just kept their mouths shut.

[zrinkill]

This is one of those threads where some people were better served if they just kept their mouths shut.

SHUTUP CRACKER!!!!!

[zrinkill]

This is one of those threads where some people were better served if they just kept their mouths shut.

In all seriousness I tried to hijack this thread back to a serious topic.



My real take on it is this.

Anyone who is voting for Obama just because of his race will be canceled out by those who will not vote for him because of his race.

Obama's main followers are young college aged kids who are enamored with his image and personality, they feel like they connect with him .... and liberals who feel he is the "anti-Bush".

McCain's main supporters are people who consider themselves "moderates" and Republicans who are scared of any Democrat in office.

Biden does not bring any voters to Obama that he did not already have in the bag.

Palin gave McCain the Conservative vote and middle class moms that he needed to be able to compete with Obama's rock star like MTV popularity.

This is gonna be a close race. Obama needs to be up in the polls ..... since polls are always gonna favor the more liberal candidate in a close race.

Come election day I fear what will happen when Either lose.

It can run the gambit between stock market crashes to riots in the street.

To Quote a wise man ...... Get your popcorn ready ..... Its gonna be a show.

It was ignored

:(

[Cajuncowboy]

What do you mean by "people"?

I assume they have "people" running those entities. Unless they have highly trained squirrels and if so, I apologize to any of the nuts on here that was offended. :p:

[Cajuncowboy]

In all seriousness I tried to hijack this thread back to a serious topic.





It was ignored

:(

So was the whole point of this thread. As well as the follow up article I posted about how the teacher who did this was disciplined for it. But we don't actually want to have facts get in the middle of a good race war. :bang2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because he is the secret antichrist muslim manchurian candidate?

I don't know. I don't know anybody who does. It is a relivant question. I have always questioned Obama's character. I believe he is more involved then he lets on in the Lending debacle. I believe he has not been completely truthful in his backround or associations. I know that he has risen much too quickly. If that makes him a manchurian candidate, then yes, I guess so. To me, it makes him a guy I will not vote for.

[WoodysGirl]

So was the whole point of this thread. As well as the follow up article I posted about how the teacher who did this was disciplined for it. But we don't actually want to have facts get in the middle of a good race war. :bang2:
I read the article. I agreed that appropriate action was taken against the teacher for violating the rules. I guess I needed to post it. Oops.

[Maikeru-sama]

My real take on it is this.

Anyone who is voting for Obama just because of his race will be canceled out by those who will not vote for him because of his race.

Obama's main followers are young college aged kids who are enamored with his image and personality, they feel like they connect with him .... and liberals who feel he is the "anti-Bush".

McCain's main supporters are people who consider themselves "moderates" and Republicans who are scared of any Democrat in office.

Biden does not bring any voters to Obama that he did not already have in the bag.

Palin gave McCain the Conservative vote and middle class moms that he needed to be able to compete with Obama's rock star like MTV popularity.

This is gonna be a close race. Obama needs to be up in the polls ..... since polls are always gonna favor the more liberal candidate in a close race.

Come election day I fear what will happen when Either lose.

It can run the gambit between stock market crashes to riots in the street.

To Quote a wise man ...... Get your popcorn ready ..... Its gonna be a show.

Moderates?

Cajun, Ninja, Irvin88, Burmfard, Bob, CowboyPrincess and HeavyHitter are nowhere near "moderate".

There isn't going to be any rioting on the street and the stock market won't be any worse than it already is. Bush/Gore sharpley divided this country and America turned out fine.

[zrinkill]

Moderates?

Cajun, Ninja, Irvin88, Burmfard, Bob, CowboyPrincess and HeavyHitter are nowhere near "moderate".

I think they represent the second part.


There isn't going to be any rioting on the street and the stock market won't be any worse than it already is. Bush/Gore sharpley divided this country and America turned out fine.


I hope your right buddy .... just seems more personal this time around ..... at least with the supporters.

[Cajuncowboy]

Moderates?

Cajun, Ninja, Irvin88, Burmfard, Bob, CowboyPrincess and HeavyHitter are nowhere near "moderate".

There isn't going to be any rioting on the street and the stock market won't be any worse than it already is. Bush/Gore sharpley divided this country and America turned out fine.

Well you are wrong there. I am not a McCain supporter because I like the guy. I am supporting the ticket because as Zrin said, anyone would be better than a Democrat like Obama in office. His history proves that the policies he espouses will be terrible for this country, both economically and militarily. Further, my support was bolstered by the Palin pick.

Am I a moderate, heck no, but I sure as heck ain't blowing up abortion clinics.

[poke]

absolutely brother

I'll be one of those "bitter people clinging to my Christianity". Hell with anyone who has a problem with it.

now theres a Christian attitude you gotta love.......

[Cajuncowboy]

now theres a Christian attitude you gotta love.......

Actually, from a Christian perspective, unless you hold to your Christian faith, that's where you will go.

Just sayin'.

[ZB9]

now theres a Christian attitude you gotta love.......

Obama says im probably a "bitter" person. I dont know what I have to be bitter about though.

[ZB9]

I can answer this...

How could we negotiate with Arabs when a Jew is involved...

It is an issue I think...

I had originally suggested Lieberman as VP four years ago and this was pointed out to me... it is valid...

yes that is what im saying as well. It would be bad timing

that is one positive I can see with Obama being elected. Although many might see him as an apostate, perhaps some people in the ME will be impressed with America having a leader with a Muslim name that they think has Muslim heritage. Im sure most will still hate us though.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Condi, a women, can negotiate with Arabs....

[ZB9]

If Condi, a women, can negotiate with Arabs....

well Pakistan for example isnt as "anti-woman in high positions" as Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia.

btw, Benazir Bhutto (leader that was assassinated) was the wife of the current Pakistani leader. She was one of the most popular leaders in the region.

[trickblue]

I was doing my Tropic Thunder bit.

I haven't seen that yet but I want to... Is it as funny as I've heard?

[trickblue]

If Condi, a women, can negotiate with Arabs....

Women get more latitude than Jews in that respect...

I think a lot of it is posturing, but they have to do it to save face with the zealot faction...

[Sasquatch]

Sure he does. The token, black guy at the party who's hip and cool to hang around. ;)

:D

The kind they rent out at the party favors store? I need to get me one to spice up my soirées. The cheese plate and wine just aren't cutting it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The kind they rent out at the party favors store? I need to get me one to spice up my soirées. The cheese plate and wine just aren't cutting it.


Sas, I think that you are enough, all by yourself, to spice up any French get together you have in mind.

However, you might want to try those little winnie on a stick thingsamagiggers. Those things are lights out at my soirees.

:D

[ZB9]

I need to get me one to spice up my soirées. The cheese plate and wine just aren't cutting it.

are you French?

my step-mom and little sister are French. Quite a few of my close friends are French as well. Ive had quite a few "soirees". good times :)

[trickblue]

The kind they rent out at the party favors store? I need to get me one to spice up my soirées. The cheese plate and wine just aren't cutting it.

are you French?

my step-mom and little sister are French. Quite a few of my close friends are French as well. Ive had quite a few "soirees". good times :)


Strawberry/Banana for me...

[Sasquatch]

are you French?

my step-mom and little sister are French. Quite a few of my close friends are French as well. Ive had quite a few "soirees". good times :)

No, I'm just very charmant, civilisé, and sophistiqué.

[trickblue]

No, I'm just very charmant, civilisé, and sophistiqué.

touche'...

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, I'm just very charmant, civilisé, and sophistiqué.


Are you also from Wasilla Sas?

;)

[ZB9]

No, I'm just very charmant, civilisé, and sophistiqué.

ha are there a lot of "sophistique" Cowboys fans? Maybe they will start serving chablis at Texas Stadium :)

im a Bud or Coors guy myself

[Sasquatch]

ha are there a lot of "sophistique" Cowboys fans? Maybe they will start serving chablis at Texas Stadium :)

im a Bud or Coors guy myself

I think I saw JJ sipping some Pinot on TV during the Packer's game.

[BrAinPaiNt]

ha are there a lot of "sophistique" Cowboys fans? Maybe they will start serving chablis at Texas Stadium :)

im a Bud or Coors guy myself

Like the pee water eh? (notice I said Eh? to fit in with the french stuff, like Canadian french) or maybe I can make it a funny and a punny and say...

Like the pee water...OUI?

I'll be here all week, don't eat the veal.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think I saw JJ sipping some Pinot on TV during the Packer's game.

You sure that was not liquid botox?

Although I do think I saw him nibbling on some freedom fries at one point.

[Sasquatch]

Are you also from Wasilla Sas?

;)

Do I strike you as a bitter religious person who takes out his frustration on defenseless woodland creatures, mon ami?

;)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do I strike you as a bitter religious person who takes out his frustration on defenseless woodland creatures, mon ami?

;)


Is this retorical?

[Bob Sacamano]

I doubt Bob even knows any black people.

you would be wrong

my best friend in high school was black

I work w/ alot of black people, one who became my friend before he upped and disappeared, then came back and said he got busted for possession

my only regret is knowing you :p: :D j/k

[DFWJC]

How is this frightening?

It's a group of young African-Americans who see Obama as an inspirational figure, giving them hope that they too can succeed despite their race.

"Take full responsibility for our own lives!"

"Have our own dreams...<hard to understand, I think it's>...but not at the expense of your dreams!"

"Always believe that we create our own destiny!"

"Demand more from our fathers to spend more time with their children by reading to them and teaching to them!"

Terrifying stuff guys. If any of the kids were forced to do this then it's an issue of forced indoctrination of political ideology, but if these kids wanted to learn about Obama's politics then there's no problem. Now, the comments say the club was shut down because they felt the sponsor must have created the club for political reasons. That's their call, I couldn't care less.

But realize that African-American youths are the least likely to have a father figure around and they have many negative role models pushed in front of them by popular culture. There kids are choosing a much more positive role model to follow than they could have, say someone like Lil' Wayne. I mean in the beginning of the video they're talking about wanting to become lawyers and engineers and architects, they believe that they can be anything, that's how kids should be.
why weren't they obsessed with Condi Rice then?

[Maikeru-sama]

you would be wrong

my best friend in high school was black

I work w/ alot of black people, one who became my friend before he upped and disappeared, then came back and said he got busted for possession

my only regret is knowing you :p: :D j/k

I was being sarcastic, it was late, so I forgot to put the smiley.

[Bob Sacamano]

I was being sarcastic, it was late, so I forgot to put the smiley.

I knew you were joking, which is why I returned the favor

:yousuck:

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I'm telling you, this guy is freakin' dangerous and his policies are going to ruin this country.

don't worry, you guaranteed he wouldn't win

[CanadianCowboysFan]

why weren't they obsessed with Condi Rice then?


because she's white on the inside ;)

[Bob Sacamano]

because she's white on the inside ;)

:muttley: so is Obama

[MetalHead]

Do I strike you as a bitter religious person who takes out his frustration on defenseless woodland creatures, mon ami?

;)

You wouldn't harm your own...no.