I am going on Record!

[Champsheart]

I support Bill Parcells, and will continue to do so. Some of the things I have seen around here lately are upsetting IMO. I am not insulting anyone, nor am I saying I am right and you are wrong, but I definetly have a different opinion of being a fan than many around here.
IMO sometimes it does not appear this board is full of Fans, but it is more of a mob.
Once again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I definetly look at things in a different light.

The thing that gets me the most is degrading photos, and to be honest pure turning your back on a guy when times are tough. I just do not understand this mentality.
Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach, and proved that LAST YEAR!
Yes he did have a bad off-season, but not every decision was bad, as a matter of fact some were good. This season has been a disaster, and yes he deserves some of the blame, as well as Jerry Jones, the players, and some hard injuries. This year has been down right horrible, I agree.
But to just turn your back on the guy just does not seem right, unless you never supported him in the first place, which I feel very comfortable saying that was a very few.

My question to you would be if and when this thing gets turned around, and I believe it will next year then how do you start supporting the guy again? That would only make you a hypocrite.

So you are going to judge Bill Parcell's entire Hall of Fame career on this 1 season. Sorry folks, but it happens to the best of them. But Parcells has not forgotten how to coach.

One thing he has also proven over the years is he will adapt, and learn from his mistakes. Everyone makes them folks, but not everyone learns from them, and that is all I ask from both him and Jerry.

I am critical of some of the things he does, do not get me wrong, I am not apologizing for this season, but I am not going to turn my back on him when I have supported him from the very beginning, and I definetly am not turning my back on him because of 1 season.

And I truly believe many our taking a couple small things and blowing them all up.
Who cares if he is not having a press conference this week.
I sure don't. As a mattrer of fact I would rather he took the time figuring out how to fix this team.
Parcells is obsessed with winnning, and I bet this man is hurting bad right now. there are all kinds of maybe's that could be happing with this. Maybe everything is in house this week, maybe he is worried he will say something he regrets, maybe there just is nothing he can say we all don't already know, but all in all who cares. This does not make him a coward as some are suggesting.

In regards to Henson, many are blowing this thing way up. Who cares if he comes in being blown out with 4 minutes left. Did anyone see what happened to Lossman in that situation. Have to pass, defense with their ears pinned back. This is not an excuse, but for anyone who has ever been in a leadership position, which I have, the most important thing you can do in developing somebody is doing everything you can to set him up to SUCCEED.

And I also can tell you that you don't just get better with practice, I have seen it in my field several times, but a person can succeed with PERFECT practice, and the RIGHT TOOLS. Does that mean this is absolutely correct? No, but it is the mentality of a leader who is trying to develop someone to succeed. I do not believe Henson was not put in because Parcells was being stubborn, but because he truly wants Henson to SUCCEED, and he wants to bring him along the way he thinks is best.

As Fans things can get very emotional, I understand that, shoot I hurt horribly everytime we lose, my wife can't stand me when the Cowboys lose, but I just do not understand the Mob mentality, or reversing your opinion of the guy so quickly.

Things have been really bad this year, and it makes it very hard to get through the rest of the year, and I am just like everyone else in feeling the only success we could have this year is to see Henson and Julius have success, but I can wait until it is the right time for Henson and the team, not the right time for me.

I don't really care what kind of Coach you are, if you don't have the players it is very difficult to win, and we don't have the players right now. IMO no one could coach this defense. We can't get pressure with the front 4, so we have to blitz, but our Secondary can not cover man to man. No scheme or Coach can do a dang thing with that.
And yes that is partly Parcell's fault we do not have the players, but I will just go on record with this....
There is not one coach I would rather have in my corner coming off this season, as motivated as he will be, and with the resources we will have, I just hope Jerry opens the wallet. And if you are not supporting him now, then I don't see how you ever come back.

Once again I just want to stress I am not saying you are wrong, and I am right. As a matter of fact some of you that seem to be taking a stance against Parcells I respect a great deal, but I am saying I just do not understand it.

As my Father told me a long time ago, you find out those who are truly in your corner when you are going through your toughest times.

[Chuck 54]

I support Bill Parcells, and will continue to do so. Some of the things I have seen around here lately are upsetting IMO. I am not insulting anyone, nor am I saying I am right and you are wrong, but I definetly have a different opinion of being a fan than many around here.
IMO sometimes it does not appear this board is full of Fans, but it is more of a mob.
Once again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I definetly look at things in a different light.

The thing that gets me the most is degrading photos, and to be honest pure turning your back on a guy when times are tough. I just do not understand this mentality.
Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach, and proved that LAST YEAR!
Yes he did have a bad off-season, but not every decision was bad, as a matter of fact some were good. This season has been a disaster, and yes he deserves some of the blame, as well as Jerry Jones, the players, and some hard injuries. This year has been down right horrible, I agree.
But to just turn your back on the guy just does not seem right, unless you never supported him in the first place, which I feel very comfortable saying that was a very few.

My question to you would be if and when this thing gets turned around, and I believe it will next year then how do you start supporting the guy again? That would only make you a hypocrite.

So you are going to judge Bill Parcell's entire Hall of Fame career on this 1 season. Sorry folks, but it happens to the best of them. But Parcells has not forgotten how to coach.

One thing he has also proven over the years is he will adapt, and learn from his mistakes. Everyone makes them folks, but not everyone learns from them, and that is all I ask from both him and Jerry.

I am critical of some of the things he does, do not get me wrong, I am not apologizing for this season, but I am not going to turn my back on him when I have supported him from the very beginning, and I definetly am not turning my back on him because of 1 season.

And I truly believe many our taking a couple small things and blowing them all up.
Who cares if he is not having a press conference this week.
I sure don't. As a mattrer of fact I would rather he took the time figuring out how to fix this team.
Parcells is obsessed with winnning, and I bet this man is hurting bad right now. there are all kinds of maybe's that could be happing with this. Maybe everything is in house this week, maybe he is worried he will say something he regrets, maybe there just is nothing he can say we all don't already know, but all in all who cares. This does not make him a coward as some are suggesting.

In regards to Henson, many are blowing this thing way up. Who cares if he comes in being blown out with 4 minutes left. Did anyone see what happened to Lossman in that situation. Have to pass, defense with their ears pinned back. This is not an excuse, but for anyone who has ever been in a leadership position, which I have, the most important thing you can do in developing somebody is doing everything you can to set him up to SUCCEED.

And I also can tell you that you don't just get better with practice, I have seen it in my field several times, but a person can succeed with PERFECT practice, and the RIGHT TOOLS. Does that mean this is absolutely correct? No, but it is the mentality of a leader who is trying to develop someone to succeed. I do not believe Henson was not put in because Parcells was being stubborn, but because he truly wants Henson to SUCCEED, and he wants to bring him along the way he thinks is best.

As Fans things can get very emotional, I understand that, shoot I hurt horribly everytime we lose, my wife can't stand me when the Cowboys lose, but I just do not understand the Mob mentality, or reversing your opinion of the guy so quickly.

Things have been really bad this year, and it makes it very hard to get through the rest of the year, and I am just like everyone else in feeling the only success we could have this year is to see Henson and Julius have success, but I can wait until it is the right time for Henson and the team, not the right time for me.

I don't really care what kind of Coach you are, if you don't have the players it is very difficult to win, and we don't have the players right now. IMO no one could coach this defense. We can't get pressure with the front 4, so we have to blitz, but our Secondary can not cover man to man. No scheme or Coach can do a dang thing with that.
And yes that is partly Parcell's fault we do not have the players, but I will just go on record with this....
There is not one coach I would rather have in my corner coming off this season, as motivated as he will be, and with the resources we will have, I just hope Jerry opens the wallet. And if you are not supporting him now, then I don't see how you ever come back.

Once again I just want to stress I am not saying you are wrong, and I am right. As a matter of fact some of you that seem to be taking a stance against Parcells I respect a great deal, but I am saying I just do not understand it.

As my Father told me a long time ago, you find out those who are truly in your corner when you are going through your toughest times.
I've always hated Parcells...he was one of my most hated coaches in NY, and I never respected him the way I respected Gibbs....HIring him, to me, was hiring the enemy...it's like bringing in Joe Theisman to play QB for the Cowboys....I don't like him and never will, but I'm open and honest about it...that said, I don't wish for him to fail...it's not in the best interest of the only football team I've ever loved, and that love goes back to the Ice Bowl. If he turns this thing around, I'll be grateful, but I'll never like or respect him....if he continues to fail in Dallas, then I'll be glad to see him go...that's me, and I'm not to be respected on this issue :)

[Midswat]

That post was entirely too long.

This is a message board . . . not a Novel board.

Please edit it down to 2-8 sentences and repost.

[cowboyeric8]

Hey man its everyones opinion. No need to go all defensive for a coach who in reality has done nothing for the Cowboys

coboyeric8

[iceberg]

I support Bill Parcells,

you do that.

[Wolverine]

I like the Cowboys players and I even support Vinny. I would support him even more if he was backin Henson up. But I dont support Parcells and I hope he is gone after this year.

[Juke99]

I've been critical of Parcells performance this season.

A few points...

I don't see that this season in anyway diminishes what the man has accomplished in the past. And if he does a good job in the future, he deserves the compliments he is sure to receive.

And if I am one who compliments him, I don't see it as being hypocritical. I see it as being objective and credible. I think there are some here who LOSE credibility by continuing to make excuses for every bad decision he has made.

One of the reasons the treatment of Coach Parcells has been hard edged this season is because, in my opinion, he invites it.

Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

Parcells is arrogant. The criticism he has received this season and the tone of it is a mirror image of the way in which he has interacted with people.

I have rooted for the Cowboys for 40 years...when the team was in decline with Landry, I still respected him. But Landry invited and earned that respect, not only because of his past record but because he was always civil.

Some guy named Newton (not Nate) said, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Mr Newton was correct.

[Dave_in-NC]

I've been critical of Parcells performance this season.

A few points...

I don't see that this season in anyway diminishes what the man has accomplished in the past. And if he does a good job in the future, he deserves the compliments he is sure to receive.

And if I am one who compliments him, I don't see it as being hypocritical. I see it as being objective and credible. I think there are some here who LOSE credibility by continuing to make excuses for every bad decision he has made.

One of the reasons the treatment of Coach Parcells has been hard edged this season is because, in my opinion, he invites it.

Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

Parcells is arrogant. The criticism he has received this season and the tone of it is a mirror image of the way in which he has interacted with people.

I have rooted for the Cowboys for 40 years...when the team was in decline with Landry, I still respected him. But Landry invited and earned that respect, not only because of his past record but because he was always civil.

Some guy named Newton (not Nate) said, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Mr Newton was correct.


Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

No your right, he cries. ;)

[Bababooey]

I support Bill Parcells.


You lost me at hello.

[Juke99]

Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

No your right, he cries. ;)


See...and I'll bet his team's fans are crying also. *L*

Sir Newton is proved correct yet again.

[Dave_in-NC]

See...and I'll bet his team's fans are crying also. *L*

Sir Newton is proved correct yet again.

Cant argue with that. :D

[Bababooey]

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[LaTunaNostra]

I've always hated Parcells...he was one of my most hated coaches in NY, and I never respected him the way I respected Gibbs....HIring him, to me, was hiring the enemy...it's like bringing in Joe Theisman to play QB for the Cowboys....I don't like him and never will, but I'm open and honest about it...that said, I don't wish for him to fail...it's not in the best interest of the only football team I've ever loved, and that love goes back to the Ice Bowl. If he turns this thing around, I'll be grateful, but I'll never like or respect him....if he continues to fail in Dallas, then I'll be glad to see him go...that's me, and I'm not to be respected on this issue :)
I for one have always respected your honesty that you have a personal dislike for Tuna which colors your takes on him. Unlike others who feel the same but won't admit it.

There are a handful of coaches I feel the same about, (lately it's Martz :rolleyes: )no way could I give them the benefit of the doubt. Even winning with them is not good enough. Losing with them insufferable.

I feel for ya, Wayne. :D

[CaptainAmerica]

ChampsHeart,
I agree with you. Most of the people jumping ship thought he was the savior of the franchise last year. The guy is a certified winner who I don't believe is going to quit in the face of adversity. He has given his absolute all to this team and organization since he came here. Sure he's human and makes mistakes but he knows what it takes to win in this league and give him time and he will win again. What's funny is that everyone will be jumping back on the wagon once Parcells gets the wheels fixed and we are rolling again.

[Juke99]

ChampsHeart,
I agree with you. Most of the people jumping ship thought he was the savior of the franchise last year. The guy is a certified winner who I don't believe is going to quit in the face of adversity. He has given his absolute all to this team and organization since he came here. Sure he's human and makes mistakes but he knows what it takes to win in this league and give him time and he will win again. What's funny is that everyone will be jumping back on the wagon once Parcells gets the wheels fixed and we are rolling again.


So, a person can't be critical of the job he is doing and then compliment him when he does well because that would be considered jumping on the band wagon?

Interesting philosophy.

[CaptainAmerica]

So, a person can't be critical of the job he is doing and then compliment him when he does well because that would be considered jumping on the band wagon?

Interesting philosophy.


That's not at all what he was talking about or I was responding to. Everyone is fair game for criticism and praise, it's just this attitude that a lot of people have that he's a bum and they want him gone. But hey, we are all Cowboy fans and are entitled to our opinions, that's what makes these boards interesting.

[Juke99]

That's not at all what he was talking about or I was responding to. Everyone is fair game for criticism and praise, it's just this attitude that a lot of people have that he's a bum and they want him gone. But hey, we are all Cowboy fans and are entitled to our opinions, that's what makes these boards interesting.


OH, OK...really just looking for clarification...

I have been very critical of Parcells. I haven't called him a bum or anything like that.

And I would have NO problem with complimenting him in the future or seeing that as hypocritical.

The fact of the matter is, the jury is out on him in a BIG way. If he didn't have his track record, it would be really ugly. His track record allows for the benefit of the doubt..

But that said, I will mention Parcells own words...no matter who you are, and what you have done in the past, at some point you still have to prove you can still get the job done.

I guess we'll see.

[CaptainAmerica]

OH, OK...really just looking for clarification...

I have been very critical of Parcells. I haven't called him a bum or anything like that.

And I would have NO problem with complimenting him in the future or seeing that as hypocritical.

The fact of the matter is, the jury is out on him in a BIG way. If he didn't have his track record, it would be really ugly. His track record allows for the benefit of the doubt..

But that said, I will mention Parcells own words...no matter who you are, and what you have done in the past, at some point you still have to prove you can still get the job done.

I guess we'll see.

Fair enough Juke! I just believe that continuity is more important than change right now. The last thing we need is to try it the Dan Snyder way and go through a revolving door at the Head Coach position.

The guy has got the respect of every one of his peers and is consistently mentioned as one of the top 2 or 3 head coaches of all time! The least the fans can do is give the guy more than a season and a half to turn it around.

[DMX6990]

See...and I'll bet his team's fans are crying also. *L*

Sir Newton is proved correct yet again.


No Vermeil just tell his players to take off there diapers.

[Juke99]

No Vermeil just tell his players to take off there diapers.


You missed the point. This isn't a discussion about Vermeil vs Parcells...

First off, just curious, are you in any way suggesting that Parcells and Vermeil use the same approach to coaching? You take one comment from Vermeil and quote it as if it over-rides everything he's done prior to making that comment.

Second, the point is, whether I cite Vermeil or Landry or another coach, the backlash that we are seeing being aimed at Parcells is due, in large part, to his attitude.

That is, in large part, the reason the criticism has been somewhat harsh.

[iceberg]

You missed the point. This isn't a discussion about Vermeil vs Parcells...

First off, just curious, are you in any way suggesting that Parcells and Vermeil use the same approach to coaching? You take one comment from Vermeil and quote it as if it over-rides everything he's done prior to making that comment.

Second, the point is, whether I cite Vermeil or Landry or another coach, the backlash that we are seeing being aimed at Parcells is due, in large part, to his attitude.

That is, in large part, the reason the criticism has been somewhat harsh.

yea, it'll be that.

[DMX6990]

You missed the point. This isn't a discussion about Vermeil vs Parcells...

First off, just curious, are you in any way suggesting that Parcells and Vermeil use the same approach to coaching? You take one comment from Vermeil and quote it as if it over-rides everything he's done prior to making that comment.

Second, the point is, whether I cite Vermeil or Landry or another coach, the backlash that we are seeing being aimed at Parcells is due, in large part, to his attitude.

That is, in large part, the reason the criticism has been somewhat harsh.

So because Parcell is arrogant means that we would be more critical of him, but in Vermeil case he gets a free pass because he seems like a nice guy. Well, judging by both team performance both have failed miserably. Bottom line is, both coach have proven they can wins. So i doesn't matter if Parcell is ******* or if Vermeil is a nice guys, just judging by what they put on the field not how they talk with the media.

[LaTunaNostra]

Second, the point is, whether I cite Vermeil or Landry or another coach, the backlash that we are seeing being aimed at Parcells is due, in large part, to his attitude.

That is, in large part, the reason the criticism has been somewhat harsh.
Juke, you're about the only one who consistently ties Bill's failures to his 'attitude'. Most of us are upset with some of his actions, and more aptly, with his NON actions, but the framing everything he does in terms of his arrogance is your own little thing that makes your takes come across as a little, uh extreme.

If you start out with the assumption everything the man does is steming from arrogance, a moral failing, and try to fit all our ills and woes into that package - well it just doesn't work, especially when actions that DISprove the arrogance go ignored.

Example: playing his old timers is more important than winning.

Well, even if you buy, which I don't, that Reshard Lee is something more than a decent returner, bottom roster-practice squad dweller, and is being held out to Bill's stubborn loyalty to Eddie George, (whom he never coached before), how to explain Dedric Ward's fair catch punt ability and infinitely vaster WO experience being deactivated for the likes of Crayton and Williams? Ward, who is a former Parcells player?

To me, the developing of Crayton (along with the comments about how he is played) compared with the relatively small use of Lee is indication that in practices, one has proved he can help the team, and one has not. THAT SIMPLE.

No arrogance or obstinance is evident, and trying to fit a person's every action into a preconceived, and preconstructed framework just doesn't cut it as anything but bias.

Of all the legit criticisim of Bill here, yours rankles the most as the moral failing issue informs it, not the coaching mistakes - an ongoing ad hominem attack that comes across as less intent on examining coaching gaffes, than "proving" the man himself is lacking.

[Verdict]

I support Bill Parcells, and will continue to do so. Some of the things I have seen around here lately are upsetting IMO. I am not insulting anyone, nor am I saying I am right and you are wrong, but I definetly have a different opinion of being a fan than many around here.
IMO sometimes it does not appear this board is full of Fans, but it is more of a mob.
Once again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I definetly look at things in a different light.

The thing that gets me the most is degrading photos, and to be honest pure turning your back on a guy when times are tough. I just do not understand this mentality.
Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach, and proved that LAST YEAR!
Yes he did have a bad off-season, but not every decision was bad, as a matter of fact some were good. This season has been a disaster, and yes he deserves some of the blame, as well as Jerry Jones, the players, and some hard injuries. This year has been down right horrible, I agree.
But to just turn your back on the guy just does not seem right, unless you never supported him in the first place, which I feel very comfortable saying that was a very few.

My question to you would be if and when this thing gets turned around, and I believe it will next year then how do you start supporting the guy again? That would only make you a hypocrite.

So you are going to judge Bill Parcell's entire Hall of Fame career on this 1 season. Sorry folks, but it happens to the best of them. But Parcells has not forgotten how to coach.

One thing he has also proven over the years is he will adapt, and learn from his mistakes. Everyone makes them folks, but not everyone learns from them, and that is all I ask from both him and Jerry.

I am critical of some of the things he does, do not get me wrong, I am not apologizing for this season, but I am not going to turn my back on him when I have supported him from the very beginning, and I definetly am not turning my back on him because of 1 season.

And I truly believe many our taking a couple small things and blowing them all up.
Who cares if he is not having a press conference this week.
I sure don't. As a mattrer of fact I would rather he took the time figuring out how to fix this team.
Parcells is obsessed with winnning, and I bet this man is hurting bad right now. there are all kinds of maybe's that could be happing with this. Maybe everything is in house this week, maybe he is worried he will say something he regrets, maybe there just is nothing he can say we all don't already know, but all in all who cares. This does not make him a coward as some are suggesting.

In regards to Henson, many are blowing this thing way up. Who cares if he comes in being blown out with 4 minutes left. Did anyone see what happened to Lossman in that situation. Have to pass, defense with their ears pinned back. This is not an excuse, but for anyone who has ever been in a leadership position, which I have, the most important thing you can do in developing somebody is doing everything you can to set him up to SUCCEED.

And I also can tell you that you don't just get better with practice, I have seen it in my field several times, but a person can succeed with PERFECT practice, and the RIGHT TOOLS. Does that mean this is absolutely correct? No, but it is the mentality of a leader who is trying to develop someone to succeed. I do not believe Henson was not put in because Parcells was being stubborn, but because he truly wants Henson to SUCCEED, and he wants to bring him along the way he thinks is best.

As Fans things can get very emotional, I understand that, shoot I hurt horribly everytime we lose, my wife can't stand me when the Cowboys lose, but I just do not understand the Mob mentality, or reversing your opinion of the guy so quickly.

Things have been really bad this year, and it makes it very hard to get through the rest of the year, and I am just like everyone else in feeling the only success we could have this year is to see Henson and Julius have success, but I can wait until it is the right time for Henson and the team, not the right time for me.

I don't really care what kind of Coach you are, if you don't have the players it is very difficult to win, and we don't have the players right now. IMO no one could coach this defense. We can't get pressure with the front 4, so we have to blitz, but our Secondary can not cover man to man. No scheme or Coach can do a dang thing with that.
And yes that is partly Parcell's fault we do not have the players, but I will just go on record with this....
There is not one coach I would rather have in my corner coming off this season, as motivated as he will be, and with the resources we will have, I just hope Jerry opens the wallet. And if you are not supporting him now, then I don't see how you ever come back.

Once again I just want to stress I am not saying you are wrong, and I am right. As a matter of fact some of you that seem to be taking a stance against Parcells I respect a great deal, but I am saying I just do not understand it.

As my Father told me a long time ago, you find out those who are truly in your corner when you are going through your toughest times.


In short....I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[jimmy40]

Juke, you're about the only one who consistently ties Bill's failures to his 'attitude'. Most of us are upset with some of his actions, and more aptly, with his NON actions, but the framing everything he does in terms of his arrogance is your own little thing that makes your takes come across as a little, uh extreme.

If you start out with the assumption everything the man does is steming from arrogance, a moral failing, and try to fit all our ills and woes into that package - well it just doesn't work, especially when actions that DISprove the arrogance go ignored.

Example: playing his old timers is more important than winning.

Well, even if you buy, which I don't, that Reshard Lee is something more than a decent returner, bottom roster-practice squad dweller, and is being held out to Bill's stubborn loyalty to Eddie George, (whom he never coached before), how to explain Dedric Ward's fair catch punt ability and infinitely vaster WO experience being deactivated for the likes of Crayton and Williams? Ward, who is a former Parcells player?

To me, the developing of Crayton (along with the comments about how he is played) compared with the relatively small use of Lee is indication that in practices, one has proved he can help the team, and one has not. THAT SIMPLE.

No arrogance or obstinance is evident, and trying to fit a person's every action into a preconceived, and preconstructed framework just doesn't cut it as anything but bias.

Of all the legit criticisim of Bil here, yours rankles the most as the moral failing issue informs it, not the coaching mistakes - an ongoing ad hominem attack that comes across as less intent on examining coaching gaffes, than "proving" the man himself is lacking.Well I feel left out. I said way back Parcells arrogance would set this team back two years. He got crap players because he thought all they needed was him coaching. He was wrong. Do I have a bias against Parcells? Damn right I do. I've been a Cowboy fan since '69, until Parcells WINS a Super Bowl for us I will not like his arrogant arse. I don't care about making it to the playoffs, we expect that here, we're the Dallas Cowboys not the stinking Jets.

[chinch]

Good initial post.

All coaches wear out their welcome.... Tuna quicker than most but he's no way approaching that. Landry annoyed me for his last few years 100x more than Tuna ever could.

I'm perplexed how anyone can "hate" a football coach... who merely coaches overpaid athletes whom offer absolutely nothing but ENTERTAINMENT to the masses (unless you have a gambling problem or other disorder).

If people can't "respect" Tuna that is their problem. I can see being "annoyed" at fans whom might blindly worship a Tuna/Gibbs type but that is throwing out the baby w/ the bathwater to translate that into hate for a coach.

Oh well, Tuna is running the show for the next few years... deal with it ;)

[jimmy40]

Good initial post.

All coaches wear out their welcome.... Tuna quicker than most but he's no way approaching that. Landry annoyed me for his last few years 100x more than Tuna ever could.

I'm perplexed how anyone can "hate" a football coach... who merely coaches overpaid athletes whom offer absolutely nothing but ENTERTAINMENT to the masses (unless you have a gambling problem or other disorder).

If people can't "respect" Tuna that is their problem. I can see being "annoyed" at fans whom might blindly worship a Tuna/Gibbs type but that is throwing out the baby w/ the bathwater to translate that into hate for a coach.

Oh well, Tuna is running the show for the next few years... deal with it ;)
I'm fine with Parcells coaching here. I just don't like him. Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl here and I still don't like his goat smellin arse.

[Juke99]

LTN:

Im not sure what post you are responding to but I do know it's not the one I wrote here...just in case you didn't read it before responding:


A few points...

I don't see that this season in anyway diminishes what the man has accomplished in the past. And if he does a good job in the future, he deserves the compliments he is sure to receive.

And if I am one who compliments him, I don't see it as being hypocritical. I see it as being objective and credible. I think there are some here who LOSE credibility by continuing to make excuses for every bad decision he has made.

One of the reasons the treatment of Coach Parcells has been hard edged this season is because, in my opinion, he invites it.

Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

Parcells is arrogant. The criticism he has received this season and the tone of it is a mirror image of the way in which he has interacted with people.

I have rooted for the Cowboys for 40 years...when the team was in decline with Landry, I still respected him. But Landry invited and earned that respect, not only because of his past record but because he was always civil.

Some guy named Newton (not Nate) said, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Mr Newton was correct.


I don't mind your support of Parcells but I do mind reading a post that addresses things I didn't say....or EVER say, such as that I believe Parcells is more interested in playing his oldtimers than winning!

I'd like you to post the link to where I've said that.

Once more, in this thead, I said that the reason that Parcells is being treated harshly is because he brings it on himself. Hence my Landry (he was a coach of the Cowboys), Vermeil comparisons...that his arrogance with the press has lead to treatment that is more harsh than if he would have been more civil.

Please let me know, where in the above post did I say anything other than that.

In addition, when and where did this become a discussion about the moral fiber of the man?

And you state that there is no arrogance "evident" from Parcells??? I'll bet if you asked Parcells, even he would classify himself as arrogant at times.

Finally, when I write about Parcells performance, it is just that, about his performance. I have written on more than one occasion that I admire the guy and that what I've seen this season is an abberation. So please, don't sugget that I am so blinded by my dislike that I can't see things clearly...and that I'm uh, extreme...A bit hypocritical from a person who's AV used to read "Tuna's number one bootlicker"

[dallasfaniac]

Well, even if you buy, which I don't, that Reshard Lee is something more than a decent returner, bottom roster-practice squad dweller,

To me, the developing of Crayton (along with the comments about how he is played) compared with the relatively small use of Lee is indication that in practices, one has proved he can help the team, and one has not. THAT SIMPLE.



There are practice players and game players. Lee has done nothing but provide sparks for the offense. Against Minnesota, he returned a long kick, then ran it in for a TD. Did he get anymore touches? Nada. Against Philly, he breaks 2 long kick returns and then sits on the sidelines watching Eddie fumble away one and then later miss a block on a sack.

[crazylegs]

"I support Bill Parcells,"

Like many posts, I stopped reading right there!

[Chuck 54]

So because Parcell is arrogant means that we would be more critical of him, but in Vermeil case he gets a free pass because he seems like a nice guy. Well, judging by both team performance both have failed miserably. Bottom line is, both coach have proven they can wins. So i doesn't matter if Parcell is ******* or if Vermeil is a nice guys, just judging by what they put on the field not how they talk with the media.
Maybe both teams have failed miserably in regard to expectations, but I've always wondered how people can give KC so much respect when their QB is Trent Green, for Pete's Sake.

I'd trade my team, player for player, with KC right now, today, and feel like I found the end of the rainbow...they have a roster with talented players, they have strengths as a team...it's easy to see that the main thing they need is a little tweeking on defense, one decent draft and offseason.

When I look at our team, I only see 5-6 players that would start on most other NFL teams, and I don't see young talented players behind them that are expected to come into their own next season.

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

Good post Champsheart. I'm with ya' 100%.

[Signals]

You are soo small!

[starfrombirth]

Dick Vermeil is having a tough season in Kansas City. But he isn't disdainful of anyone who questions him; he doesn't call people "a--holes" during press conferences EVEN IF they are; he hasn't called his players "stupid" in the press; he doesn't roll his eyes when he's asked a question he feels is dumb;

No your right, he cries. ;)

Do you know that for sure? Have you listened to everyone of his PC's like you have Parcell's. I bet you haven't therefor you dont know that and I have heard Vermiel be derogotory to both team members and media. :confused:

[Erik_H]

I support Bill Parcells, and will continue to do so. Some of the things I have seen around here lately are upsetting IMO. I am not insulting anyone, nor am I saying I am right and you are wrong, but I definetly have a different opinion of being a fan than many around here.
IMO sometimes it does not appear this board is full of Fans, but it is more of a mob.
Once again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but I definetly look at things in a different light.

The thing that gets me the most is degrading photos, and to be honest pure turning your back on a guy when times are tough. I just do not understand this mentality.
Coach Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach, and proved that LAST YEAR!
Yes he did have a bad off-season, but not every decision was bad, as a matter of fact some were good. This season has been a disaster, and yes he deserves some of the blame, as well as Jerry Jones, the players, and some hard injuries. This year has been down right horrible, I agree.
But to just turn your back on the guy just does not seem right, unless you never supported him in the first place, which I feel very comfortable saying that was a very few.

My question to you would be if and when this thing gets turned around, and I believe it will next year then how do you start supporting the guy again? That would only make you a hypocrite.

So you are going to judge Bill Parcell's entire Hall of Fame career on this 1 season. Sorry folks, but it happens to the best of them. But Parcells has not forgotten how to coach.

One thing he has also proven over the years is he will adapt, and learn from his mistakes. Everyone makes them folks, but not everyone learns from them, and that is all I ask from both him and Jerry.

I am critical of some of the things he does, do not get me wrong, I am not apologizing for this season, but I am not going to turn my back on him when I have supported him from the very beginning, and I definetly am not turning my back on him because of 1 season.

And I truly believe many our taking a couple small things and blowing them all up.
Who cares if he is not having a press conference this week.
I sure don't. As a mattrer of fact I would rather he took the time figuring out how to fix this team.
Parcells is obsessed with winnning, and I bet this man is hurting bad right now. there are all kinds of maybe's that could be happing with this. Maybe everything is in house this week, maybe he is worried he will say something he regrets, maybe there just is nothing he can say we all don't already know, but all in all who cares. This does not make him a coward as some are suggesting.

In regards to Henson, many are blowing this thing way up. Who cares if he comes in being blown out with 4 minutes left. Did anyone see what happened to Lossman in that situation. Have to pass, defense with their ears pinned back. This is not an excuse, but for anyone who has ever been in a leadership position, which I have, the most important thing you can do in developing somebody is doing everything you can to set him up to SUCCEED.

And I also can tell you that you don't just get better with practice, I have seen it in my field several times, but a person can succeed with PERFECT practice, and the RIGHT TOOLS. Does that mean this is absolutely correct? No, but it is the mentality of a leader who is trying to develop someone to succeed. I do not believe Henson was not put in because Parcells was being stubborn, but because he truly wants Henson to SUCCEED, and he wants to bring him along the way he thinks is best.

As Fans things can get very emotional, I understand that, shoot I hurt horribly everytime we lose, my wife can't stand me when the Cowboys lose, but I just do not understand the Mob mentality, or reversing your opinion of the guy so quickly.

Things have been really bad this year, and it makes it very hard to get through the rest of the year, and I am just like everyone else in feeling the only success we could have this year is to see Henson and Julius have success, but I can wait until it is the right time for Henson and the team, not the right time for me.

I don't really care what kind of Coach you are, if you don't have the players it is very difficult to win, and we don't have the players right now. IMO no one could coach this defense. We can't get pressure with the front 4, so we have to blitz, but our Secondary can not cover man to man. No scheme or Coach can do a dang thing with that.
And yes that is partly Parcell's fault we do not have the players, but I will just go on record with this....
There is not one coach I would rather have in my corner coming off this season, as motivated as he will be, and with the resources we will have, I just hope Jerry opens the wallet. And if you are not supporting him now, then I don't see how you ever come back.

Once again I just want to stress I am not saying you are wrong, and I am right. As a matter of fact some of you that seem to be taking a stance against Parcells I respect a great deal, but I am saying I just do not understand it.

As my Father told me a long time ago, you find out those who are truly in your corner when you are going through your toughest times.

Excellent post

[Juke99]

Do you know that for sure? Have you listened to everyone of his PC's like you have Parcell's. I bet you haven't therefor you dont know that and I have heard Vermiel be derogotory to both team members and media. :confused:


I read the transcripts from a bunch of his press conferences...please support your statement that he has been derogotory to both team members and the media...

Again, let's not lose sight of what this discussion is about, which is what seems to ALWAYS happen around here...

The point is, if Parcells was more "gentle" with the press, the backlash wouldn't be as harsh...that's just plain old simple human nature. I cited Vermeil because his team is undergoing the same type of issues as ours...he's also an older coach...and he's been successful...

FYI:

Here's one I found, after a killer loss...

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2004/10/19/dick_vermeil_press_conference/


Again, once more because I know how things work around here...I am not comparing the Chiefs to the Cowboys...I am not comparing Vermeil to Parcells in terms of coaching ability...I am simply showing how different people handle adversity and how Parcells manner brings back more harsh treatment than Parcells...after all, inspite of how this thread has gone in a million different directions, that IS what the original thread was about, yes?

[George]

Some guy named Newton (not Nate) said, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

Mr Newton was correct.

Wasn't it Nate that said, "For every joint there's another joint."

[Juke99]

Wasn't it Nate that said, "For every joint there's another joint."


Different Nate...but in his case, every bit as true...

[Everlastingxxx]

I support Bill Parcells, and will continue to do so.

Best post on this message board. Unlike the 99% of crap posts that are being posted in the last day.

[Kittymama]

I'm on board with ya!

For the folks who are complaining about Bill's "arrogance"--I defy you to show my one single solitary coach in this league (or retired) who isn't. Bottom line, you have to be arrogant to think you can coach any team, football or any other sport. Otherwise, you'd be shifting in the wind with every sports opinion coming down the pike. Just look at this board, or read the sports columns on a daily basis--for every person that thinks Henson should play is someone who thinks he shouldn't, thinks we should go to a 4-3 there's someone who thinks we should stay at 3-4, letting AB go was a catastrophe or a smart move, etc. A person has to be arrogant enough to ignore that & do what he thinks is needed. Billick, Martz, Shanahan, Belichick (or any other NFL coach)--you're gonna tell me these guys aren't arrogant? The trick is, some of them are better than others at making nice with the press. Well, f*** the press--hey the performance of the mainstream media in our recent election should have shown people what a joke they are. The coaches have to do PCs & answer questions. Show me one, anywhere, who does anything other than mouth the usual cliches. Parcells is one of them who doesn't--& the TV loves it. There's a reason the NFL Network carries his Monday PCs live & starts "Coachspeak" with it every week. I could give a rat's behind whether he's polite to the media. If they can't take it, then get out of the business.

Tom Jackson had a good comment about Bill on NFL Countdown. Irvin was screaming away (as usual) that everything should be blamed on Bill. Jackson said, & as those of us who like Parcells know, that BP wouldn't want it any other way. He points the finger at himself as much as anyone & knows full well that he takes the blame as well as getting the credit. Is he arrogant? Yup, that's why he's a good coach. Is he doing things people may not like? Maybe. But he knows full well, too, that he gets fired if he doesn't make the right moves. Yes, this year is disappointing. It's not over yet. There's also next year, & I, for one, am excited about it.

[DallasCowpoke111]

A bit hypocritical from a person who's AV used to read "Tuna's number one bootlicker"

ROFL...

Carefull J, if all this "anti Bill" sentiment keeps up, one particular moderator might decide to pack up and return to being a "loyal Jets fan"!!... Oh, on second thought, KEEP IT UP! ;)