Presidential Race Tightens after VP Debate - CBS Poll

[Bach]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/06/opinion/polls/main4504633.shtml

CBS) In a sign that the race for president has returned to about where it was before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket leads the McCain-Palin ticket 47 percent to 43 percent among registered voters in a new CBS News poll.

The Obama-Biden ticket led by a wider margin, nine percentage points, in a CBS News poll released last Wednesday, before Joe Biden and Sarah Palin faced off in the vice presidential debate. Obama-Biden led by five percentage points on Sept. 25.

In the new poll, the Democratic ticket leads by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters.

Barack Obama holds a 20 point lead in terms of enthusiasm. Fifty-eight percent of Obama voters say they are very enthusiastic about their candidate, while only 38 percent of John McCain voters say the same about the Arizona senator.

Roughly one in five registered voters have yet to commit to a candidate, though they may lean towards one or the other.
Read The Complete CBS News Poll On The Presidential Race And The Debates
...And On The Bailout Plan, Congress And The President
Interest in tomorrow's presidential debate is high. Roughly two in three registered voters say they are "very likely" to watch the debate, about the same percentage who said they were very likely to watch the first presidential debate and the vice presidential debate.

A CBS News poll conducted last week showed that more uncommitted voters thought Obama won the first debate, and nearly half of all voters expect he will win this debate too. Just one in four expect McCain to win.

The Vice Presidential Debate:

Both Biden and Palin appear to have benefited from their performance in the vice presidential debate. Both now have 40 percent approval ratings - an increase of six points for Biden and eight points for Palin from their pre-debate approval ratings.

Palin's unfavorable rating of 32 percent is significantly higher, however, than Biden's 19 percent unfavorable rating. And on the key questions of whether each candidate is ready to be vice president, or, if necessary, president, majorities see only Biden as passing the test.

Seventy-five percent of registered voters say Biden is prepared to be vice president, and 65 percent say he could be an effective president; just 42 percent say Palin is prepared to be vice president and only 37 percent say she could be an effective president. Even Republicans are more likely than not to concede Biden could be an effective president.

As uncommitted voters did in a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll conducted immediately after the debate, registered voters who watched the debate give the “win” to Biden, 50 percent to 31 percent.

Both Biden and Palin improved their overall images somewhat in the debate, and both are seen by about six in ten voters as sharing their values. About one in three registered voters say the vice presidential candidates will have a lot of influence on their vote in November, the same percentage that said as much before the debate.

The Top Of The Ticket:

Obama continues to lead McCain when it comes to his overall favorable/unfavorable rating: The Democratic nominee has a favorable rating of 46 percent and an unfavorable rating of 34 percent. Registered voters are more closely split on McCain, who holds a favorable rating of 40 percent and an unfavorable rating of 38 percent.

Sixty-two percent of registered voters see both Obama and McCain as having the ability to be an effective president.

McCain has distanced himself somewhat from President George W. Bush, who currently has among the lowest approval ratings of any modern president. In this poll, 38 percent say that if elected president McCain would generally continue Mr. Bush’s policies, down from 46 percent last month. This is the lowest percentage to link McCain to the president’s policies since last April.

Obama has lost some ground when it comes to perceptions of how he would handle the economy, though he still leads McCain when it comes to the issue.

Twenty-four percent of registered voters are "very confident" that the Democratic nominee would make the right decisions on the economy, down five points from before the presidential debate. Forty-one percent are not confident, up from 34 percent.

Fifteen percent are "very confident" in McCain when it comes to the economy, meanwhile, and 44 percent are not confident.

The race continues to be close among independents. In this poll McCain has a small edge, 44 percent to 39 percent, among the group. At the end of last week it was Obama with a small lead. Independents have swung back and forth between the two candidates for the last few weeks.

Obama is leading among Democrats, liberals, moderates and voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. He has not improved his support among former Clinton voters in recent weeks, and presently has the support of roughly two in three.

McCain is leading among Republicans, Independents and conservatives. He is also leading among whites, including both white Catholics and white evangelicals, as well as whites making less than $50,000 a year who do not have a college degree.

The Bailout Plan, Congress And The President:

Last week Congress enacted a financial rescue plan on its second try - and while Americans are more negative than ever about the state of the economy, a majority (51 percent) disapprove of the bailout package. Just 31 percent say they approve.

Americans continue to think Wall Street is more likely to benefit from the government’s economic bailout than the rest of the country. Sixty-percent say the plan will just benefit Wall Street, while 30 percent say it will help everyone.

A majority of Americans now disapprove of the government providing money to financial institutions. A week ago Americans were evenly split on the question; now just 36 percent approve while 52 percent disapprove.

And even though a majority remains much more accepting of the idea of helping homeowners, even that number is down from last week, with 54 percent now approving and 37 percent disapproving.

Few Americans approve of how either the president or Congress is handling the financial crisis. Both receive identical 21 percent approval ratings on the measure.

Fifty-five percent now say the economy is in very bad shape - the highest number ever recorded in a CBS News Poll. Only 11 percent think the condition of the economy is even somewhat good.

Moreover, Americans remain pessimistic about the economy’s future: three in four think the economy is getting worse. Only 3 percent think the economy is getting better, while one in five thinks it is staying the same.

President Bush’s overall job approval rating is 22 percent - the same as it was last week and the lowest of his presidency. Congress also receives dismal overall ratings from the public. Only 15 percent of Americans approve of the way Congress is handling its job, the same as last week. Seventy-two percent now disapprove of Congress’ job, including a majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

[irvin88]

CBS) In a sign that the race for president has returned to about where it was before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket leads the McCain-Palin ticket 47 percent to 43 percent among registered voters in a new CBS News poll.

The Obama-Biden ticket led by a wider margin, nine percentage points, in a CBS News poll released last Wednesday, before Joe Biden and Sarah Palin faced off in the vice presidential debate. Obama-Biden led by five percentage points on Sept. 25.

In the new poll, the Democratic ticket leads by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters.

Barack Obama holds a 20 point lead in terms of enthusiasm. Fifty-eight percent of Obama voters say they are very enthusiastic about their candidate, while only 38 percent of John McCain voters say the same about the Arizona senator.

Roughly one in five registered voters have yet to commit to a candidate, though they may lean towards one or the other.



Interest in tomorrow's presidential debate is high. Roughly two in three registered voters say they are "very likely" to watch the debate, about the same percentage who said they were very likely to watch the first presidential debate and the vice presidential debate.

A CBS News poll conducted last week showed that more uncommitted voters thought Obama won the first debate, and nearly half of all voters expect he will win this debate too. Just one in four expect McCain to win.

The Vice Presidential Debate:

Both Biden and Palin appear to have benefited from their performance in the vice presidential debate. Both now have 40 percent approval ratings - an increase of six points for Biden and eight points for Palin from their pre-debate approval ratings.

Palin's unfavorable rating of 32 percent is significantly higher, however, than Biden's 19 percent unfavorable rating. And on the key questions of whether each candidate is ready to be vice president, or, if necessary, president, majorities see only Biden as passing the test.

Seventy-five percent of registered voters say Biden is prepared to be vice president, and 65 percent say he could be an effective president; just 42 percent say Palin is prepared to be vice president and only 37 percent say she could be an effective president. Even Republicans are more likely than not to concede Biden could be an effective president.

As uncommitted voters did in a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll conducted immediately after the debate, registered voters who watched the debate give the “win” to Biden, 50 percent to 31 percent.

Both Biden and Palin improved their overall images somewhat in the debate, and both are seen by about six in ten voters as sharing their values. About one in three registered voters say the vice presidential candidates will have a lot of influence on their vote in November, the same percentage that said as much before the debate.

The Top Of The Ticket:

Obama continues to lead McCain when it comes to his overall favorable/unfavorable rating: The Democratic nominee has a favorable rating of 46 percent and an unfavorable rating of 34 percent. Registered voters are more closely split on McCain, who holds a favorable rating of 40 percent and an unfavorable rating of 38 percent.

Sixty-two percent of registered voters see both Obama and McCain as having the ability to be an effective president.

McCain has distanced himself somewhat from President George W. Bush, who currently has among the lowest approval ratings of any modern president. In this poll, 38 percent say that if elected president McCain would generally continue Mr. Bush’s policies, down from 46 percent last month. This is the lowest percentage to link McCain to the president’s policies since last April.

Obama has lost some ground when it comes to perceptions of how he would handle the economy, though he still leads McCain when it comes to the issue.

Twenty-four percent of registered voters are "very confident" that the Democratic nominee would make the right decisions on the economy, down five points from before the presidential debate. Forty-one percent are not confident, up from 34 percent.

Fifteen percent are "very confident" in McCain when it comes to the economy, meanwhile, and 44 percent are not confident.

The race continues to be close among independents. In this poll McCain has a small edge, 44 percent to 39 percent, among the group. At the end of last week it was Obama with a small lead. Independents have swung back and forth between the two candidates for the last few weeks.

Obama is leading among Democrats, liberals, moderates and voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. He has not improved his support among former Clinton voters in recent weeks, and presently has the support of roughly two in three.

McCain is leading among Republicans, Independents and conservatives. He is also leading among whites, including both white Catholics and white evangelicals, as well as whites making less than $50,000 a year who do not have a college degree.

The Bailout Plan, Congress And The President:

Last week Congress enacted a financial rescue plan on its second try - and while Americans are more negative than ever about the state of the economy, a majority (51 percent) disapprove of the bailout package. Just 31 percent say they approve.

Americans continue to think Wall Street is more likely to benefit from the government’s economic bailout than the rest of the country. Sixty-percent say the plan will just benefit Wall Street, while 30 percent say it will help everyone.

A majority of Americans now disapprove of the government providing money to financial institutions. A week ago Americans were evenly split on the question; now just 36 percent approve while 52 percent disapprove.

And even though a majority remains much more accepting of the idea of helping homeowners, even that number is down from last week, with 54 percent now approving and 37 percent disapproving.

Few Americans approve of how either the president or Congress is handling the financial crisis. Both receive identical 21 percent approval ratings on the measure.

Fifty-five percent now say the economy is in very bad shape - the highest number ever recorded in a CBS News Poll. Only 11 percent think the condition of the economy is even somewhat good.

Moreover, Americans remain pessimistic about the economy’s future: three in four think the economy is getting worse. Only 3 percent think the economy is getting better, while one in five thinks it is staying the same.

President Bush’s overall job approval rating is 22 percent - the same as it was last week and the lowest of his presidency. Congress also receives dismal overall ratings from the public. Only 15 percent of Americans approve of the way Congress is handling its job, the same as last week. Seventy-two percent now disapprove of Congress’ job, including a majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

[Cajuncowboy]

That's a bad sign for Obama. A good sign for America though. This is a bit more normal as it has registered voters as opposed to the normal opinion polls they run. This being the case, if this were likely voters it would be more in favor of McCain.

And obama needs to be up by 10 points in these kinds of polls going in to hope to win.

[irvin88]

That's a bad sign for Obama. A good sign for America though. This is a bit more normal as it has registered voters as opposed to the normal opinion polls they run. This being the case, if this were likely voters it would be more in favor of McCain.

And obama needs to be up by 10 points in these kinds of polls going in to hope to win.

Plus "Pitbull Palin" is starting to tear him down.

McCain needs to expose him as the radical racist he is.

[Cajuncowboy]

Plus "Pitbull Palin" is starting to tear him down.

McCain needs to expose him as the radical racist he is.

It's starting today. I heard some of McCains speech in New Mexico today. The gloves are now off.

[bootsy]

CBS) In a sign that the race for president has returned to about where it was before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket leads the McCain-Palin ticket 47 percent to 43 percent among registered voters in a new CBS News poll.

The Obama-Biden ticket led by a wider margin, nine percentage points, in a CBS News poll released last Wednesday, before Joe Biden and Sarah Palin faced off in the vice presidential debate. Obama-Biden led by five percentage points on Sept. 25.

In the new poll, the Democratic ticket leads by 3 percentage points, 48 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters.

Barack Obama holds a 20 point lead in terms of enthusiasm. Fifty-eight percent of Obama voters say they are very enthusiastic about their candidate, while only 38 percent of John McCain voters say the same about the Arizona senator.

Roughly one in five registered voters have yet to commit to a candidate, though they may lean towards one or the other.



Interest in tomorrow's presidential debate is high. Roughly two in three registered voters say they are "very likely" to watch the debate, about the same percentage who said they were very likely to watch the first presidential debate and the vice presidential debate.

A CBS News poll conducted last week showed that more uncommitted voters thought Obama won the first debate, and nearly half of all voters expect he will win this debate too. Just one in four expect McCain to win.

The Vice Presidential Debate:

Both Biden and Palin appear to have benefited from their performance in the vice presidential debate. Both now have 40 percent approval ratings - an increase of six points for Biden and eight points for Palin from their pre-debate approval ratings.

Palin's unfavorable rating of 32 percent is significantly higher, however, than Biden's 19 percent unfavorable rating. And on the key questions of whether each candidate is ready to be vice president, or, if necessary, president, majorities see only Biden as passing the test.

Seventy-five percent of registered voters say Biden is prepared to be vice president, and 65 percent say he could be an effective president; just 42 percent say Palin is prepared to be vice president and only 37 percent say she could be an effective president. Even Republicans are more likely than not to concede Biden could be an effective president.

As uncommitted voters did in a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll conducted immediately after the debate, registered voters who watched the debate give the “win” to Biden, 50 percent to 31 percent.

Both Biden and Palin improved their overall images somewhat in the debate, and both are seen by about six in ten voters as sharing their values. About one in three registered voters say the vice presidential candidates will have a lot of influence on their vote in November, the same percentage that said as much before the debate.

The Top Of The Ticket:

Obama continues to lead McCain when it comes to his overall favorable/unfavorable rating: The Democratic nominee has a favorable rating of 46 percent and an unfavorable rating of 34 percent. Registered voters are more closely split on McCain, who holds a favorable rating of 40 percent and an unfavorable rating of 38 percent.

Sixty-two percent of registered voters see both Obama and McCain as having the ability to be an effective president.

McCain has distanced himself somewhat from President George W. Bush, who currently has among the lowest approval ratings of any modern president. In this poll, 38 percent say that if elected president McCain would generally continue Mr. Bush’s policies, down from 46 percent last month. This is the lowest percentage to link McCain to the president’s policies since last April.

Obama has lost some ground when it comes to perceptions of how he would handle the economy, though he still leads McCain when it comes to the issue.

Twenty-four percent of registered voters are "very confident" that the Democratic nominee would make the right decisions on the economy, down five points from before the presidential debate. Forty-one percent are not confident, up from 34 percent.

Fifteen percent are "very confident" in McCain when it comes to the economy, meanwhile, and 44 percent are not confident.

The race continues to be close among independents. In this poll McCain has a small edge, 44 percent to 39 percent, among the group. At the end of last week it was Obama with a small lead. Independents have swung back and forth between the two candidates for the last few weeks.

Obama is leading among Democrats, liberals, moderates and voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. He has not improved his support among former Clinton voters in recent weeks, and presently has the support of roughly two in three.

McCain is leading among Republicans, Independents and conservatives. He is also leading among whites, including both white Catholics and white evangelicals, as well as whites making less than $50,000 a year who do not have a college degree.

The Bailout Plan, Congress And The President:

Last week Congress enacted a financial rescue plan on its second try - and while Americans are more negative than ever about the state of the economy, a majority (51 percent) disapprove of the bailout package. Just 31 percent say they approve.

Americans continue to think Wall Street is more likely to benefit from the government’s economic bailout than the rest of the country. Sixty-percent say the plan will just benefit Wall Street, while 30 percent say it will help everyone.

A majority of Americans now disapprove of the government providing money to financial institutions. A week ago Americans were evenly split on the question; now just 36 percent approve while 52 percent disapprove.

And even though a majority remains much more accepting of the idea of helping homeowners, even that number is down from last week, with 54 percent now approving and 37 percent disapproving.

Few Americans approve of how either the president or Congress is handling the financial crisis. Both receive identical 21 percent approval ratings on the measure.

Fifty-five percent now say the economy is in very bad shape - the highest number ever recorded in a CBS News Poll. Only 11 percent think the condition of the economy is even somewhat good.

Moreover, Americans remain pessimistic about the economy’s future: three in four think the economy is getting worse. Only 3 percent think the economy is getting better, while one in five thinks it is staying the same.

President Bush’s overall job approval rating is 22 percent - the same as it was last week and the lowest of his presidency. Congress also receives dismal overall ratings from the public. Only 15 percent of Americans approve of the way Congress is handling its job, the same as last week. Seventy-two percent now disapprove of Congress’ job, including a majority of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.


LOL you people are ridiculous. Why don't you post the CNN poll that has Obama's lead widening. THe point is relying on polls is meaningless. The electoral college is and always will be where it is at. And Palin isn't tearing into anything except opening up more people to look at her and her husband's odd view on seccession and her wack church. Like I said before, she needs to watch what/how she is attacking people.

[Bach]

Tomorrow night should be interesting.

[Cajuncowboy]

LOL you people are ridiculous. Why don't you post the CNN poll that has Obama's lead widening. THe point is relying on polls is meaningless. The electoral college is and always will be where it is at. And Palin isn't tearing into anything except opening up more people to look at her and her husband's odd view on seccession and her wack church. Like I said before, she needs to watch what/how she is attacking people.

:lmao2:

An Obama supporter talking about a "whack " church.:lmao2:

OMG that is too funny.

Please keep posting.

And again I say...

:lmao2:

[ThaBigP]

LOL you people are ridiculous. Why don't you post the CNN poll that has Obama's lead widening. THe point is relying on polls is meaningless. The electoral college is and always will be where it is at. And Palin isn't tearing into anything except opening up more people to look at her and her husband's odd view on seccession and her wack church. Like I said before, she needs to watch what/how she is attacking people.

:lmao2:

Another Kool-Aid drinker who believes that Saturday Night Live or Matt Damon are the authority on the "real" Sarah Palin. Yeah, Todd is a secessionist, and Sarah is a snake handler. I'll bet that all the while you toss pop-culture myths like that around, you'd bust a blood vessel for somebody doing nothing more than typing the Democratic candidate's full name: Barak Hussein Obama.

[bootsy]

:lmao2:

An Obama supporter talking about a "whack " church.:lmao2:

OMG that is too funny.

Please keep posting.

And again I say...

:lmao2:
Emoticon overload. I think you like laughing at yourself.

[Cajuncowboy]

Emoticon overload. I think you like laughing at yourself.

Nope boostyboy.

:lmao2: @ you! :lmao2:

[Bach]

SNL was going to spoof Obama and his church, but the real thing was too much of a spoof they couldn't compete.

[bootsy]

Nope boostyboy.

:lmao2: @ you! :lmao2:
:lmao2:

[Bach]

:lmao2:

:lmao2:

[bootsy]

:lmao2:

Another Kool-Aid drinker who believes that Saturday Night Live or Matt Damon are the authority on the "real" Sarah Palin. Yeah, Todd is a secessionist, and Sarah is a snake handler. I'll bet that all the while you toss pop-culture myths like that around, you'd bust a blood vessel for somebody doing nothing more than typing the Democratic candidate's full name: Barak Hussein Obama.
SNL or Damon? Not quite, more like in newspapers is where you will find the story. I know YOU me want to believe that it is only being said by SNL and Damon but you know that is not true.

[ThaBigP]

SNL or Damon? Not quite, more like in newspapers is where you will find the story. I know YOU me want to believe that it is only being said by SNL and Damon but you know that is not true.

"The story"? Which story? The "secessionist" bit was debunked a while back. And the "whack church" comment is subjective, and as such not really supportable or refutable...you're entitled to your opinion. But it is ironic you'd rely on that as a basis of ridicule in light of the 20+ year relationship Obama had with Reverand Wright.

[bootsy]

"The story"? Which story? The "secessionist" bit was debunked a while back. And the "whack church" comment is subjective, and as such not really supportable or refutable...you're entitled to your opinion. But it is ironic you'd rely on that as a basis of ridicule in light of the 20+ year relationship Obama had with Reverand Wright.
Man I was worried that I wasn't allowed to do that. Thanks for giving me approval to be entitled my opinion. I don't know what I would do if you didn't give it to me.

[zrinkill]

:lmao2:


Wait am I to late?

[ThreeSportStar80]

Are we so sure about this??


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/06/poll.of.polls/index.html

[Heisenberg]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2920189459_1706c9111a_o.png

In case you were curious about the other polls.

[SuspectCorner]

Repugs in the "denial" phase after terminal diagnosis - sweet. Next up... "anger". Hmmm. We can prolly skip that one and move right into "bargaining". And since there won't be any of that - "depression".

I figure "acceptance" is quite a ways off...

[Heisenberg]

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/campaign_08_trends_vs_04_and_0.php

October 6, 2008
Campaign '08 Trends vs '04 and '00 Update
By Charles Franklin

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/Pres08vs04aand000verlay-thumb-600x450.png

The 2008 campaign had not seen a really big move in preferences until the financial crisis hit three weeks ago today. Since that time, the Obama-McCain margin has shifted almost 9 points in Obama's favor, converting a small McCain lead into a substantial Obama advantage.


This swing reversed the gains McCain made with the Republican convention and the week after during which he picked up about 4 points and took the lead for the first time since March.


I wrote earlier that we had not seen a move in 2008 as large as ones we saw in both 2000 and 2004. That is no longer true of 2004, though the current run is not yet as large as the one Gore mounted in 2000.


The Bush counter-assault in 2000, after Gore's surge, was almost eight points, and began at almost the same point in the campaign, about 57 days out.


Voters are making up their minds at about the same rate as they did in 2000. If this year follows that pattern, look for some serious decision making over the next two weeks.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/DKOverlay-thumb-600x450.png

[Beast_from_East]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2920189459_1706c9111a_o.png

In case you were curious about the other polls.

This thing is so over with, McCain is ahead in like 2 freaking states:laugh2:

[Beast_from_East]

This is like the only freaking poll on the planet that shows the race tightening.

Sorry, but CBS lost all cred with me when they forged documents against Bush.

Show me another poll out there that shows the race is tightening, because I have not seen any.

[NinePointOh]

This thing is so over with, McCain is ahead in like 2 freaking states:laugh2:

In one of those states (Ohio), Obama actually has a 6-8 point lead in three other polls. The current RCP Average puts Obama at +3.5.

The Georgia poll looks about on par with the rest, though that's one of the states where Obama most outperformed the polls during the primaries. It was a major "reverse Bradley effect" state.

[ConcordCowboy]

This is like the only freaking poll on the planet that shows the race tightening.

Sorry, but CBS lost all cred with me when they forged documents against Bush.

Show me another poll out there that shows the race is tightening, because I have not seen any.

Agreed.

[ConcordCowboy]

Are we so sure about this??


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/06/poll.of.polls/index.html

Oooops.

:laugh2:

[Bach]

Repugs in the "denial" phase after terminal diagnosis - sweet. Next up... "anger". Hmmm. We can prolly skip that one and move right into "bargaining". And since there won't be any of that - "depression".

I figure "acceptance" is quite a ways off...

Is that how you dealt with the last two elections? :laugh2:

[Bach]

Show me another poll out there that shows the race is tightening, because I have not seen any.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true

[Cajuncowboy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4961BK20081007?sp=true

Oh snap! Ask and you shall receive.

[canters]

Opps, Concord,,,,Barry will lose if he only has 3 pts on McCain.

With all the advantages Barry has,, he should be up 20 on McCain...

[Bonecrusher#31]

That's a bad sign for Obama. A good sign for America though. This is a bit more normal as it has registered voters as opposed to the normal opinion polls they run. This being the case, if this were likely voters it would be more in favor of McCain.

And obama needs to be up by 10 points in these kinds of polls going in to hope to win.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/Bonecrusher31/WishfulThinking_m.jpg

[Cajuncowboy]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/Bonecrusher31/WishfulThinking_m.jpg

You obviously don't understand the way this works, so why don't you sit back and watch the adults then you may learn something.

[ConcordCowboy]

Opps, Concord,,,,Barry will lose if he only has 3 pts on McCain.

With all the advantages Barry has,, he should be up 20 on McCain...


I'm not worried unlike the McCain camp and their followers.

Hence the flurry of threads to prove that McCain's doing better than he really is.

:laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

You obviously don't understand the way this works, so why don't you sit back and watch the adults then you may learn something.

From your answer one might conclude that you need to sit back and watch as well because your response is anything of an adult nature.

[Cajuncowboy]

From your answer one might conclude that you need to sit back and watch as well because your response is anything of an adult nature.

Wait, he does it to.


Is that more your speed???

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wait, he does it to.


Is that more your speed???

See...your response further dictates that you follow your own advice.

[Cajuncowboy]

See...your response further dictates that you follow your own advice.

But the other side does it.

Therefore it's ok for me to do it.

:lmao2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

But the other side does it.

Therefore it's ok for me to do it.

:lmao2:

Again...you go against your own advice. You flip flop about as much as McCain.

[Cajuncowboy]

Again...you go against your own advice. You flip flop about as much as McCain.

But..but...the other guy.

[BrAinPaiNt]

But..but...the other guy.

You mean the Adult?

[Cajuncowboy]

You mean the Adult?

Only if the other, other guy is an adult.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Only if the other, other guy is an adult.

Like Hannity or Olbermann...since neither are.

[Cajuncowboy]

Like Hannity or Olbermann...since neither are.

One cancels the other I guess, so that makes it ok, since that is your perspective.

[BrAinPaiNt]

One cancels the other I guess, so that makes it ok, since that is your perspective.

Never said it does. As I have stated many times in the past I think they are both blow hards, however I doubt you would think the same since you have defended Hannity many times.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Or, giving you an out here, do you find Hannity to be a shill and blowhard like Olberman?

[Cajuncowboy]

Never said it does. As I have stated many times in the past I think they are both blow hards, however I doubt you would think the same since you have defended Hannity many times.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Or, giving you an out here, do you find Hannity to be a shill and blowhard like Olberman?

No. The difference is that Hannity brings facts to support his position and Olbermann is a blow hard who just rants. Which is why he was removed from Election coverage as an anchor.

OTOH, when someone points out that the left has done something you ALWAYS say, but the other side...

Like it excuses it. You simply wave your hand as if it cancels each other out.

[NinePointOh]

That's a bad sign for Obama. A good sign for America though. This is a bit more normal as it has registered voters as opposed to the normal opinion polls they run. This being the case, if this were likely voters it would be more in favor of McCain.

Most polls of likely voters show an Obama lead wider than this one, actually.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

And obama needs to be up by 10 points in these kinds of polls going in to hope to win.

Still clinging to that long-disproved line of wishful thinking are we?

[BrAinPaiNt]

No. The difference is that Hannity brings facts to support his position and Olbermann is a blow hard who just rants. Which is why he was removed from Election coverage as an anchor.

OTOH, when someone points out that the left has done something you ALWAYS say, but the other side...

Like it excuses it. You simply wave your hand as if it cancels each other out.

Facts like he brings on TWO anti-semites (one being an admitted truther that they had KICKED off their show prior) to come in and do interviews of an attack nature on Obama?

Facts like that?

You just proved my point.

Hannity is no better than Olberman. Actually they are just political talking shills for the opposite side of a spectrum...yet you are more than willing to attack one and defend the other.

It is quite amazing.

[Cajuncowboy]

Most polls of likely voters show an Obama lead wider than this one, actually.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html



Still clinging to that long-disproved line of wishful thinking are we?

I'm telling you he has to have a huge lead or he will lose.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Most polls of likely voters show an Obama lead wider than this one, actually.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html



Still clinging to that long-disproved line of wishful thinking are we?

I have noticed that once Obama gets so many points ahead or close to the set bar that he needs to be ahead to win by some...then the point value raises.

Not saying it is right or wrong as far as the points he needs, just find it odd that it raises when he gets closer to the original number quoted.

[NinePointOh]

I'm telling you he has to have a huge lead or he will lose.

And your reasoning for that conclusion is what ... the Bradley Effect I'm assuming?

[Cajuncowboy]

And your reasoning for that conclusion is what ... the Bradley Effect I'm assuming?

Dems don't turn out like the polls suggest they do. He needs a cushion to have a chance.

[NinePointOh]

I have noticed that once Obama gets so many points ahead or close to the set bar that he needs to be ahead to win by some...then the point value raises.

Not saying it is right or wrong as far as the points he needs, just find it odd that it raises when he gets closer to the original number quoted.

Yep, you're right, and I've pointed this out as well:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2299957&postcount=30

[BrAinPaiNt]

And your reasoning for that conclusion is what ... the Bradley Effect I'm assuming?

Nah...the cajun cowboy wishful effect.

It was not but a few months ago he said that this race would not even be close, now he is saying the guy has to win by at least 10 points. :laugh2:

The same guy that predicted an october surprise a few years ago.

The same guy that predicted W would get a bounce in the spring a year or so ago.

His record is not exactly the best at predictions.

Although he could still get it right.

[ConcordCowboy]

Nah...the cajun cowboy wishful effect.

It was not but a few months ago he said that this race would not even be close, now he is saying the guy has to win by at least 10 points. :laugh2:

The same guy that predicted an october surprise a few years ago.

The same guy that predicted W would get a bounce in the spring a year or so ago.

His record is not exactly the best at predictions.

Although he could still get it right.

BINGO!

:laugh2:

[Cajuncowboy]

Nah...the cajun cowboy wishful effect.

It was not but a few months ago he said that this race would not even be close, now he is saying the guy has to win by at least 10 points. :laugh2:

The same guy that predicted an october surprise a few years ago.

The same guy that predicted W would get a bounce in the spring a year or so ago.

His record is not exactly the best at predictions.

Although he could still get it right.

The election isn't held today.

And as for the other "predictions" it's not my fault that the American people who are actually polled are so stupid to understand for themselves but have to rely on people like Olbermann and the like for their news and information.

I did underestimate the influence these people have. Too many idiots out there.

[NinePointOh]

Dems don't turn out like the polls suggest they do. He needs a cushion to have a chance.

I'd love to hear what set of data you got that notion from.

[Cajuncowboy]

I'd love to hear what set of data you got that notion from.

Al Gore Up! He loses.

John Kerry Up! He loses.

Just the last 8 years is all.

[NinePointOh]

Al Gore Up! He loses.

Actually, he won the popular vote, which is what polls are designed to measure.

But you're dead wrong anyway. The polls had Bush leading.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9801E0DB1E30F931A35752C1A9669C8B 63

John Kerry Up! He loses.Dead wrong. The polls showed Bush in the lead for the entire last two months before the election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

Just the last 8 years is all.You mean your foggy memory of the last 8 years?

[ConcordCowboy]

Actually, he won the popular vote, which is what polls are designed to measure. The polls were accurate; the extrapolation of electoral votes from popular votes was not.

Dead wrong. The polls showed Bush in the lead for the entire last two months before the election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

You mean your foggy memory of the last 8 years?

:muttley:

[BrAinPaiNt]

The election isn't held today.

And as for the other "predictions" it's not my fault that the American people who are actually polled are so stupid to understand for themselves but have to rely on people like Olbermann and the like for their news and information.

I did underestimate the influence these people have. Too many idiots out there.

You should be thankful for the stupid people because they voted in W the second time around.

[NinePointOh]

:muttley:

I had to go back and edit the part about Bush-Gore. The polls actually showed Bush winning back then, too.

[ConcordCowboy]

I had to go back and edit the part about Bush-Gore. The polls actually showed Bush winning back then, too.

Even better.

:muttley:

[Doomsday101]

You should be thankful for the stupid people because they voted in W the second time around.

Why because John Kerry would have been so great? :lmao:

[ConcordCowboy]

You should be thankful for the stupid people because they voted in W the second time around.

Amazing how one can call someone stupid but doesn't bother looking in the mirror.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why because John Kerry would have been so great? :lmao:

If you was around, can not remember if you were, you would know how I feel about Kerry.

Or ask Cajun how I felt about him.

Instead I sat out that election due to the two nipple heads and not finding a viable candidate to vote for.

[Jarv]

You should be thankful for the stupid people because they voted in W the second time around.

So the majority of the voters are stupid ???

Maybe that is not to hard to believe.

[Cajuncowboy]

You should be thankful for the stupid people because they voted in W the second time around.

There's a difference between the idiots who are polled and the ones who actually go to the polls.

[Cajuncowboy]

Amazing how one can call someone stupid but doesn't bother looking in the mirror.

Amazing how some people are so stupid they don't understand the posts then make comments proving the point.

[Beast_from_East]

Oh snap! Ask and you shall receive.

The article states the following:

"The survey, the first in a series of daily tracking polls that will sample public opinion until the November 4 election"


If this is the first in a series, then it means that this is a new poll.

In order for a poll to show the race "tightening", you need to have a previous poll to compare with. For example, If Gallup shows 9 point lead for Obama 2 weeks ago and the new Gallup shows a 5 point lead for obama, then the race has in fact tighened up.

This poll is the first of its kind, we dont have a previous data OF THE SAME POLL in which to compare.

All you McCain guys did was go find a new poll that shows a smaller lead then the national polls that have been tracking the election for a while now.

That is not proof of a tightening race, you guys just went and cherry picked a new poll, that is comparing apples and oranges, not apples to apples.

Nice try McCain guys.............this poll is now busted!!!!

[ConcordCowboy]

The election isn't held today.

And as for the other "predictions" it's not my fault that the American people who are actually polled are so stupid to understand for themselves but have to rely on people like Olbermann and the like for their news and information.

I did underestimate the influence these people have. Too many idiots out there.

Amazing how some people are so stupid they don't understand the posts then make comments proving the point.

Yeah it's amazing how deep your posts go that they can't be understood.:rolleyes:

The only stupid thing here is your constant name calling when someone doesn't agree with you.

[ConcordCowboy]

Al Gore Up! He loses.

John Kerry Up! He loses.

Just the last 8 years is all.

Actually, he won the popular vote, which is what polls are designed to measure.

But you're dead wrong anyway. The polls had Bush leading.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9801E0DB1E30F931A35752C1A9669C8B 63

Dead wrong. The polls showed Bush in the lead for the entire last two months before the election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/chart3way.html

You mean your foggy memory of the last 8 years?

By the way...I haven't seen your response to this...Mr I'm the only one who's not stupid.

:laugh2: