Obama's Muslim Childhood

[ZB9]

not an anti-Muslim piece, just questioning whether Barack Obama is hiding that fact that he was born and raised a Muslim. If so, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president

http://www.meforum.org/article/pipes/5544

Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood

by Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com
April 29, 2008

As Barack Obama's candidacy comes under increasing scrutiny, his account of his religious upbringing deserves careful attention for what it tells us about the candidate's integrity.

Obama asserted in December, "I've always been a Christian," and he has adamantly denied ever having been a Muslim. "The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country [Kenya]. But I've never practiced Islam." In February, he claimed: "I have never been a Muslim. … other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child [Indonesia, 1967-71] I have very little connection to the Islamic religion."

"Always" and "never" leave little room for equivocation. But many biographical facts, culled mainly from the American press, suggest that, when growing up, the Democratic candidate for president both saw himself and was seen as a Muslim.

Obama's Kenyan birth father: In Islam, religion passes from the father to the child. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. (1936?1982) was a Muslim who named his boy Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Only Muslim children are named "Hussein".

Obama's Indonesian family: His stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, was also a Muslim. In fact, as Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."

Barack Obama's Catholic school in Jakarta.
The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school." A blogger who goes by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" found that "Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro' serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. … Barry's religion was listed as Islam."

The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended." Haroon Siddiqui of the Toronto Star visited the Jakarta public school Obama attended and found that "Three of his teachers have said he was enrolled as a Muslim." Although Siddiqui cautions that "With the school records missing, eaten by bugs, one has to rely on people's shifting memories," he cites only one retired teacher, Tine Hahiyari, retracting her earlier certainty about Obama's being registered as a Muslim.

Barack Obama's public school in Jakarta.
Koran class: In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koranic studies, thereby revealing he was a Muslim, for Indonesian students in his day attended religious classes according to their faith. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."

Mosque attendance: Obama's half-sister recalled that the family attended the mosque "for big communal events." Watson learned from childhood friends that "Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque." Barker found that "Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers." One Indonesia friend, Zulfin Adi, states that Obama "was Muslim. He went to the mosque. I remember him wearing a sarong" (a garment associated with Muslims).

Piety: Obama himself says that while living in Indonesia, a Muslim country, he "didn't practice [Islam]," implicitly acknowledging a Muslim identity. Indonesians differ in their memories of him. One, Rony Amir, describes Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

Obama's having been born and raised a Muslim and having left the faith to become a Christian make him neither more nor less qualified to become president of the United States. But if he was born and raised a Muslim and is now hiding that fact, this points to a major deceit, a fundamental misrepresentation about himself that has profound implications about his character and his suitability as president.

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Apr. 29, 2008 update: This article builds on two prior ones on the matter of Barack Obama and Islam. First, "Was Barack Obama a Muslim?" considered the implications of his Muslim childhood; second, "Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam" responded to a critique of the first article. This third one brings the evidence together in a single place.

Aug. 25, 2008 update: I review the confusion of Muslim reactions to Obama in "Barack Obama through Muslim Eyes."

[MetalHead]

How dare you question the Messiah!?
He's gonna bring us Change!



-sarcasm off-

[ThaBigP]

I dislike Obama's policies and associations as much as anybody (...well, anybody who also dislikes Obama's policies and associations :) ). And I know he was raised Muslim for a time as a child. But seriously, my grandmother took me to a Southern Baptist church when I was a child. Does that mean forever and always I must bear the burden (if there is one) of being "Southern Baptist" when I was taken there as a young child? I was too young to care anyway. It's just "what we did" on Sundays. I imagine any Muslim schooling Obama received in his youth falls under the same category.

[masomenos]

I dislike Obama's policies and associations as much as anybody (...well, anybody who also dislikes Obama's policies and associations :) ). And I know he was raised Muslim for a time as a child. But seriously, my grandmother took me to a Southern Baptist church when I was a child. Does that mean forever and always I must bear the burden (if there is one) of being "Southern Baptist" when I was taken there as a young child? I was too young to care anyway. It's just "what we did" on Sundays. I imagine any Muslim schooling Obama received in his youth falls under the same category.

This is exactly how I look at it as well, good post.

[SuspectCorner]

McCain campaign and followers moving into full-on desperation mode.

[Beast_from_East]

McCain campaign and followers moving into full-on desperation mode.

Who the %^&* cares what school he attended in 1968, good grief.

The Dow dropped 800 points yesterday and the McCain people are floating this stuff about 1968?

This race is so over with.

[ConcordCowboy]

Who the %^&* cares what school he attended in 1968, good grief.

The Dow dropped 800 points yesterday and the McCain people are floating this stuff about 1968?

This race is so over with.

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.

[Wheat]

So, he's a Muslim that belonged to an extreme Christian Church.

Got it.

Will that fit on a bumper sticker?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.

What do you expect from someone who has a campaign head that flat out says it is not about issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYSwqI2sZ0

[canters]

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.


The sad truth is that neither Barry nor Johnny can do much about the economy.....talk is just talk. Of course, that is what the Dems are mostly about....making people feel good about themselves as they take $$$ from them and give it to the "victims of our society"....I think it is called vote buying.

The fact is that Barry is very confortable surrounding himself with far left types....folks that for the most part do not like this country. IF the MSM had properly treated him, as they do most politicians, esp. right wingers., we would know so much more about Barry...maybe enough to disqualify him....

But silly me...the MSM want him to win....I forgot.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The sad truth is that neither Barry nor Johnny can do much about the economy.....talk is just talk. Of course, that is what the Dems are mostly about....making people feel good about themselves as they take $$$ from them and give it to the "victims of our society"....I think it is called vote buying.

The fact is that Barry is very confortable surrounding himself with far left types....folks that for the most part do not like this country. IF the MSM had properly treated him, as they do most politicians, esp. right wingers., we would know so much more about Barry...maybe enough to disqualify him....

But silly me...the MSM want him to win....I forgot.

The MSM is not the ones that vote a president into office, the people and the electoral votes do.

[canters]

You are correct, ol' great one BP....However, surely you will agree that if the MSM prefers one candidate over the other,,,,ie: does not look into the background of the preferred one, acts as a house organ of the preferred one by passing along talking points blindly ( because they happen to agree with them), votes for the party of the preferred one overwhelmingly, has some memmbers who openly cheer for the preferred one, that the preferred one enjoys a great advantage over the non-preferred one.

[BrAinPaiNt]

You are correct, ol' great one BP....However, surely you will agree that if the MSM prefers one candidate over the other,,,,ie: does not look into the background of the preferred one, acts as a house organ of the preferred one by passing along talking points blindly ( because they happen to agree with them), votes for the party of the preferred one overwhelmingly, has some memmbers who openly cheer for the preferred one, that the preferred one enjoys a great advantage over the non-preferred one.

W was re-elected last time...are you trying to tell me the MSM liked W?

Think man...the tired old act of blaming everything on the MSM makes people seem like the whiners that they claim the dems to be.

[canters]

W was not liked by the MSM...he won due to the incompetent efforts of Kerry and UBL making the video in Oct of 2004. If Kerry had ran a better campaign, he might have won. The fact the W won in spite of the MSM does not disprove my point.

[Bach]

W was not liked by the MSM...he won due to the incompetent efforts of Kerry and UBL making the video in Oct of 2004. If Kerry had ran a better campaign, he might have won. The fact the W won in spite of the MSM does not disprove my point.

True. I'm still surprised he was able to pull it out with the media desperately trying to sway voters and with Dems efforts at voter fraud.

[Wheat]

True. I'm still surprised he was able to pull it out with the media desperately trying to sway voters and with Dems efforts at voter fraud.



W was president during a TRUE 24/7 news cycle. the next guy will get the same treatment regardless of party. This whining is so sad. The MSM is so tough....they keep beating us up. They are so mean for asking us questions about what we're doing.

[Rack Bauer]

not an anti-Muslim piece, just questioning whether Barack Obama is hiding that fact that he was born and raised a Muslim.

Yes he's lied about it several times.

I dislike Obama's policies and associations as much as anybody (...well, anybody who also dislikes Obama's policies and associations :) ). And I know he was raised Muslim for a time as a child. But seriously, my grandmother took me to a Southern Baptist church when I was a child. Does that mean forever and always I must bear the burden (if there is one) of being "Southern Baptist" when I was taken there as a young child? I was too young to care anyway. It's just "what we did" on Sundays. I imagine any Muslim schooling Obama received in his youth falls under the same category.

1. Obama didn't go to a muslim church "one time". He went several times and lead their prayers in mosque (or whatever) several times.

2. It's not that he was a muslim, it's that he's LIED about it so much.

[ConcordCowboy]

The sad truth is that neither Barry nor Johnny can do much about the economy.....talk is just talk. Of course, that is what the Dems are mostly about....making people feel good about themselves as they take $$$ from them and give it to the "victims of our society"....I think it is called vote buying.

The fact is that Barry is very confortable surrounding himself with far left types....folks that for the most part do not like this country. IF the MSM had properly treated him, as they do most politicians, esp. right wingers., we would know so much more about Barry...maybe enough to disqualify him....

But silly me...the MSM want him to win....I forgot.

The sad truth is I absolutely know what's NOT going to help the economy no matter what...talking about Obama being a Muslim.

That's a fact.

[ConcordCowboy]

What do you expect from someone who has a campaign head that flat out says it is not about issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYSwqI2sZ0

Can't watch Youtube at work...but I know what you're talking about.

Not about the issues?!

:rolleyes:

Again...pathetic.

[Danny White]

Obama's first day of kindergarten:

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/pal%20kid%20-%20child%20abuse.jpg

:p:

[REDVOLUTION]

The sad truth is that neither Barry nor Johnny can do much about the economy.....talk is just talk. Of course, that is what the Dems are mostly about....making people feel good about themselves as they take $$$ from them and give it to the "victims of our society"....I think it is called vote buying.

The fact is that Barry is very confortable surrounding himself with far left types....folks that for the most part do not like this country. IF the MSM had properly treated him, as they do most politicians, esp. right wingers., we would know so much more about Barry...maybe enough to disqualify him....

But silly me...the MSM want him to win....I forgot.


Alot of truth in this...
In a "anyone but Bush world" Obama is getting a pass on serious questions about his judgement and character.

[Angus]

I dislike Obama's policies and associations as much as anybody (...well, anybody who also dislikes Obama's policies and associations :) ). And I know he was raised Muslim for a time as a child. But seriously, my grandmother took me to a Southern Baptist church when I was a child. Does that mean forever and always I must bear the burden (if there is one) of being "Southern Baptist" when I was taken there as a young child? I was too young to care anyway. It's just "what we did" on Sundays. I imagine any Muslim schooling Obama received in his youth falls under the same category.

May be, but he should acknowledge it. There is a lot he is hiding.

He won't let anybody see records of his time at Columbia or Harvard. Why? Was he in the Young Communist organization? Was he selling drugs to get tuition?

Nobody knows how a penniless boy first got into Columbia and then was accepted to Harvard Law School. Nobody knows what classes he took or what books he cited as authoritative in essays or class responses. Students leave tracks in both college and law school, but Obama covers his. Why?

Were his grades his own or did he scate through by being somebody's project? Nobody can find out because he blocks attempts to get such information from the institutions.

Also, is it a fact that he was a citizen of Kenya until his 21st birthday? Discounting his failure to produce an original birth certificte, dual citizenship is not all that uncommon and, as the child of a Kenya citizen, he couldn't help it that he automatically became a Kenya citizen himself. But the information should not be hidden from the voters.

There are many things, important things, about Obama that we don't know. It would be tragic to elect him and then discover hidden information that would change everything.

Voting in the dark is not a good idea.

:cool:

[ZB9]

May be, but he should acknowledge it. There is a lot he is hiding.

He won't let anybody see records of his time at Columbia or Harvard. Why? Was he in the Young Communist organization? Was he selling drugs to get tuition?

Nobody knows how a penniless boy first got into Columbia and then was accepted to Harvard Law School. Nobody knows what classes he took or what books he cited as authoritative in essays or class responses. Students leave tracks in both college and law school, but Obama covers his. Why?

Were his grades his own or did he scate through by being somebody's project? Nobody can find out because he blocks attempts to get such information from the institutions.

Also, is it a fact that he was a citizen of Kenya until his 21st birthday? Discounting his failure to produce an original birth certificte, dual citizenship is not all that uncommon and, as the child of a Kenya citizen, he couldn't help it that he automatically became a Kenya citizen himself. But the information should not be hidden from the voters.

There are many things, important things, about Obama that we don't know. It would be tragic to elect him and then discover hidden information that would change everything.

Voting in the dark is not a good idea.

:cool:

exactly right imo

there are too many questions that seem to be off limits because the MSM want Obama to win...but also because people, especially in the media, are overly concerned about being "PC". The media hasnt done much "vetting" at all, and considering his very limited record, "vetting" is obviously very necessary. The media has created a vision of a man that is probably different than reality. It is a dangerous game many in the media are playing.

[ZB9]

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.

McCain has been talking about the economy, and im sure he will continue to do so tonight. However, it is a campaign and there are many issues in a campaign. Whoever is elected President will obviously have quite a few responsibilities besides the economy.

anyway, what inspiring economic solutions has Obama given? He's been taking the safe stance and speaking in very general terms when it comes to the economic issues and his administrations' economic plan.

Perhaps that is because he has been misleading people about his economic plan. Obama proposes an insane amount of govt. spending, and then says he's going to cut taxes for "95 percent". That is such BS. Someone in the MSM should ask Sen. Obama where he is going to pay for all of the spending he proposes (im sure McCain will ask him that tonight).

If he is going to pay for it mainly by raising corporate taxes, that will be disastrous for our current economy. Raising corporate taxes will obviously hurt job creation. We already pay the second highest corporate tax in the world. Business will say "screw your taxes, well go to another country". Either that, or business will simply raise prices on consumer products.

btw, when Obama was running for state senate in Illinois, his platform was also that he was going to "cut taxes". Do you think he did? Of course not (he sure did vote "present" a lot though). Nothing in his actual record (what little of it there is) gives the impression that he is someone who believes in low taxes, quite the contrary.

[JBond]

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.

Which people? Just curious who you believe is losing everything right now. Have you lost everything or just parroting the liberal mantra? Only 5% of all home loans have been defaulted on. Those 5% had no business owning a home in the first place.

If you can't pay your bills, too bad. Stop asking me to pay your way. The majority of the Federal and State budgets consist of hand outs for people who have done nothing with their lives. I do not shed a tear for any of them.

[Bach]

W was president during a TRUE 24/7 news cycle. the next guy will get the same treatment regardless of party. This whining is so sad. The MSM is so tough....they keep beating us up. They are so mean for asking us questions about what we're doing.

Did you ever see the survey several years ago regarding who the mainstream media/journalists voted for? It was over 80% for the Democrat candidate.

The majority of them have been totally biased towards them for decades. It has nothing to do with a 24/7 news cycle.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/images2005/MBBChart1C.jpg


http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/images2005/MBBChar1D.jpg


There's no bias? LOL

[ZB9]

Which people? Just curious who you believe is losing everything right now. Have you lost everything or just parroting the liberal mantra? Only 5% of all home loans have been defaulted on. Those 5% had no business owning a home in the first place.

If you can't pay your bills, too bad. Stop asking me to pay your way. The majority of the Federal and State budgets consist of hand outs for people who have done nothing with their lives. I do not shed a tear for any of them.

I bet the sky wont be falling as much in the MSM on Nov. 5.

[trickblue]

Amazing.

Obama pointed this out yesterday and will continue to point this out.

People are losing homes...their jobs...their healthcare and their savings and this is the kind of crap that McCain wants to talk about?

Pathetic...and he's going to pay a price for it.

Before you go around getting all self-righteous... explain this... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs)

[Big Dakota]

It's Christians that scare me.

[trickblue]

It's Christians that scare me.

Yes... yes... we are scary...

What exactly have the big bad Christians done lately to scare you?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I dislike Obama's policies and associations as much as anybody (...well, anybody who also dislikes Obama's policies and associations :) ). And I know he was raised Muslim for a time as a child. But seriously, my grandmother took me to a Southern Baptist church when I was a child. Does that mean forever and always I must bear the burden (if there is one) of being "Southern Baptist" when I was taken there as a young child? I was too young to care anyway. It's just "what we did" on Sundays. I imagine any Muslim schooling Obama received in his youth falls under the same category.


I pulled this from a site I don't really know much about but, I thought the content was thought provoking. It relates to this discussion.

http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-not-exactly-list-of-lies.html


Wednesday, June 4, 2008
Obama's "Not Exactly" List Of Lies
Redside.com compiled the following list of distorted facts (LIES) that Obama repeats as he campaigns! These should open your eyes as to the character that this man would bring to the Oval Office.


Obama's 'Not Exactly's':

1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama,is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that..and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-Am...

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor,Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

Judging by the Clinton's and Obama, being skilled false statements is a requisite for Democrat candidates! But lying is not for a quality most Americans want in their President.

[SultanOfSix]

I was raised a Muslim, went to a Catholic school when I was little, and I am still a Muslim. OMG. Fear me!

But seriously, I prefer Obama only because I see McCain as another four years of Bush, and not much has been said to change my opinion. I really dislike the fact that Obama disassociates himself from my religion, as if it is something that is tainted and is costing him votes, even though it probably and unfortunately is. Yay! for Pavlov.

[BrAinPaiNt]

My inside sources tell me some interesting information from Obama's childhood.

1. He remained a bed wetter much longer than normal for a youth. Conflicting reports on this but he had the problem until he was anywhere from 10-13 years old depending on the sources reports.

2. He was abused as a child.

3. He has been reported to have abused some animals as a child and was reported to be a bit of the firebug.

After gathering this data I have come to the conclusion to be a serial killer.

[Big Dakota]

My inside sources tell me some interesting information from Obama's childhood.

1. He remained a bed wetter much longer than normal for a youth. Conflicting reports on this but he had the problem until he was anywhere from 10-13 years old depending on the sources reports.

2. He was abused as a child.

3. He has been reported to have abused some animals as a child and was reported to be a bit of the firebug.

After gathering this data I have come to the conclusion to be a serial killer.


Now we know who the Zodiac killer was. He would have been 7 years old, but hey, he was a terrorist at 8 so...............

[ConcordCowboy]

Which people? Just curious who you believe is losing everything right now. Have you lost everything or just parroting the liberal mantra? Only 5% of all home loans have been defaulted on. Those 5% had no business owning a home in the first place.

If you can't pay your bills, too bad. Stop asking me to pay your way. The majority of the Federal and State budgets consist of hand outs for people who have done nothing with their lives. I do not shed a tear for any of them.

I didn't say everyone is losing everything.

There are some that are losing their homes. (not me...but it's happening)

Some have lost their jobs and the healthcare that goes with it. (not me...but it's happening)

And some are losing savings...(this is me)with me that has to do with my 401k in the stock market.

This isn't just about losing homes only.

So don't sit here and act like it isn't happening.

Whether you care or not I could give ****.

[ConcordCowboy]

McCain has been talking about the economy, and im sure he will continue to do so tonight. However, it is a campaign and there are many issues in a campaign. Whoever is elected President will obviously have quite a few responsibilities besides the economy.

anyway, what inspiring economic solutions has Obama given? He's been taking the safe stance and speaking in very general terms when it comes to the economic issues and his administrations' economic plan.

Perhaps that is because he has been misleading people about his economic plan. Obama proposes an insane amount of govt. spending, and then says he's going to cut taxes for "95 percent". That is such BS. Someone in the MSM should ask Sen. Obama where he is going to pay for all of the spending he proposes (im sure McCain will ask him that tonight).

If he is going to pay for it mainly by raising corporate taxes, that will be disastrous for our current economy. Raising corporate taxes will obviously hurt job creation. We already pay the second highest corporate tax in the world. Business will say "screw your taxes, well go to another country". Either that, or business will simply raise prices on consumer products.

btw, when Obama was running for state senate in Illinois, his platform was also that he was going to "cut taxes". Do you think he did? Of course not (he sure did vote "present" a lot though). Nothing in his actual record (what little of it there is) gives the impression that he is someone who believes in low taxes, quite the contrary.

Yeah Mr It's not about the issues and Mr I want to turn the page on this economy thing because it's not good for my polls and Mr I need to get negative to turn the page.

Spare me.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't say everyone is losing everything.

There are some that are losing their homes. (not me...but it's happening)

Some have lost their jobs and the healthcare that goes with it. (not me...but it's happening)

And some are losing savings...(this is me)with me that has to do with my 401k in the stock market.

This isn't just about losing homes only.

So don't sit here and act like it isn't happening.

Whether you care or not I could give ****.


A passion filled subject, to be sure.

This is going to sound cold, I know, but in my mind it's simply the truth. People are going to lose homes. People have lost there homes going back to the time the first Caveman got the boot from the Cave Bear. It happens and it's going to continue to happen.

People are also going to lose jobs and healthcare as well. This is going to happen regardless of who is in office. It's a natural result of the economic down turn which was inevitable. The check has arrived at the table and somebody is going to have to pay up. Those who don't have the cash are going to have to do dishes.

It is unfortunate but it is what it is.

The problem, as I see it, is that this Country views owning a home, having a job or healthcare as there right. It's not there right. The only rights are to have the opportunity for these things. We have treated policy, our economy, our governmental system and our personal life styles as if it is our right.

Things are adjusting themselves. If Obama gets elected and things continue to worsen, will it then be his fault? This day has been coming for a very long time. It's here now.

[JBond]

It's Christians that scare me.

Keep the door locked tight at night. Pray for protection......oh never mind, skip that.

Just hide on election day. Do not go out of your home that day or a Christian my say hi to you or say "God bless you" if you sneeze. We are a very scary bunch.

[JBond]

I didn't say everyone is losing everything.

There are some that are losing their homes. (not me...but it's happening)

Some have lost their jobs and the healthcare that goes with it. (not me...but it's happening)

And some are losing savings...(this is me)with me that has to do with my 401k in the stock market.

This isn't just about losing homes only.

So don't sit here and act like it isn't happening.

Whether you care or not I could give ****.

So your big heart wants to spend my money. You are doing fine, but people all around you are falling apart? I have lost jobs and gotten new jobs. What is your point? Health care is not a civil liberty. It is not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution. Get a job and buy the supplemented health care. It is not hard, unless you are a liberal, I guess.

[Beast_from_East]

Which people? Just curious who you believe is losing everything right now. Have you lost everything or just parroting the liberal mantra? Only 5% of all home loans have been defaulted on. Those 5% had no business owning a home in the first place.

If you can't pay your bills, too bad. Stop asking me to pay your way. The majority of the Federal and State budgets consist of hand outs for people who have done nothing with their lives. I do not shed a tear for any of them.

How bout that 90 year old woman in Ohio who shot herself in the chest because her home was being forclosed on?

Not everybody that gets forclosed on is a dead-beat, sometimes situations get out of your control.

If you have never had any financial problems in your life, always paid every bill on time, have perfect credit, ect....Then I am happy for you.

I will admit that I had some finanacial difficulties myself a while back after I was laid off from my job, the company moved to Panama. I took me about 6 months to find another job and in that period of time I had difficulties paying some of my bills.

Luckly I was renting at the time so the bills that were not paid were mainly credit cards and student loans. If I had a mortgage, I probably would have lost my house.

Finally I found a new job and I was able to work out a payment plan with the credit card companies and with my student loans. I have since paid everything off and my credit is just now starting to look good again.

The point is that not everybody is a dead-beat that doesnt want to pay their bills and wants a hand out. Sometimes you end up in financial problems through no fault of your own (company moving overseas). So instead of saying that you dont shed a tear for anybody that has problems, how bout a little compassion and understanding that sometimes you cant pay your bills simply because you dont have the money, not because you are a dead-beat.

[ABQCOWBOY]

How bout that 90 year old woman in Ohio who shot herself in the chest because her home was being forclosed on?

Not everybody that gets forclosed on is a dead-beat, sometimes situations get out of your control.

If you have never had any financial problems in your life, always paid every bill on time, have perfect credit, ect....Then I am happy for you.

I will admit that I had some finanacial difficulties myself a while back after I was laid off from my job, the company moved to Panama. I took me about 6 months to find another job and in that period of time I had difficulties paying some of my bills.

Luckly I was renting at the time so the bills that were not paid were mainly credit cards and student loans. If I had a mortgage, I probably would have lost my house.

Finally I found a new job and I was able to work out a payment plan with the credit card companies and with my student loans. I have since paid everything off and my credit is just now starting to look good again.

The point is that not everybody is a dead-beat that doesnt want to pay their bills and wants a hand out. Sometimes you end up in financial problems through no fault of your own (company moving overseas). So instead of saying that you dont shed a tear for anybody that has problems, how bout a little compassion and understanding that sometimes you cant pay your bills simply because you dont have the money, not because you are a dead-beat.

Sometimes, bad things are going to happen to good people, there is no question about that. However, something like this could have, and would have happened at any point in our economic history.

[ConcordCowboy]

Which people? Just curious who you believe is losing everything right now. Have you lost everything or just parroting the liberal mantra? Only 5% of all home loans have been defaulted on. Those 5% had no business owning a home in the first place.

If you can't pay your bills, too bad. Stop asking me to pay your way. The majority of the Federal and State budgets consist of hand outs for people who have done nothing with their lives. I do not shed a tear for any of them.

So your big heart wants to spend my money. You are doing fine, but people all around you are falling apart? I have lost jobs and gotten new jobs. What is your point? Health care is not a civil liberty. It is not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution. Get a job and buy the supplemented health care. It is not hard, unless you are a liberal, I guess.

I Triple Dog Dare McCain to come out and say this tonight.

Triple Dog.

See how it goes over.

http://static.flickr.com/25/58752172_dc9177ee60.jpg


:laugh2:

[ConcordCowboy]

A passion filled subject, to be sure.

This is going to sound cold, I know, but in my mind it's simply the truth. People are going to lose homes. People have lost there homes going back to the time the first Caveman got the boot from the Cave Bear. It happens and it's going to continue to happen.

People are also going to lose jobs and healthcare as well. This is going to happen regardless of who is in office. It's a natural result of the economic down turn which was inevitable. The check has arrived at the table and somebody is going to have to pay up. Those who don't have the cash are going to have to do dishes.

It is unfortunate but it is what it is.

The problem, as I see it, is that this Country views owning a home, having a job or healthcare as there right. It's not there right. The only rights are to have the opportunity for these things. We have treated policy, our economy, our governmental system and our personal life styles as if it is our right.

Things are adjusting themselves. If Obama gets elected and things continue to worsen, will it then be his fault? This day has been coming for a very long time. It's here now.

Well then it should be easy for McCain tonight.

Just point out what you said...and watch the election get lost.

:laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well then it should be easy for McCain tonight.

Just point out what you said...and watch the election get lost.

:laugh2:


Yes, your right. It's always a mistake to tell the truth to the American people.

The better plan is to lie about it and just let them go on thinking the economy is safe.

:)

[ConcordCowboy]

Yes, your right. It's always a mistake to tell the truth to the American people.

The better plan is to lie about it and just let them go on thinking the economy is safe.

:)

And watch McCain do exactly that tonight and you will still vote for him.

Why would you vote for a lier?

He did say the economy is fundamentally sound didn't he?

:laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

And watch McCain do exactly that tonight and you will still vote for him.

Why would you vote for a lier?

He did say the economy is fundamentally sound didn't he?

:laugh2:


It is. Our economy does work when our own government doesn't steal from us. That has been established.

As for voting for a lier, well, I'm not going to tell you what you should do but I am going to tell you that you have no room to ask me why I would vote for a lier.


http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot...t-of-lies.html

[REDVOLUTION]

It is. Our economy does work when our own government doesn't steal from us. That has been established.

As for voting for a lier, well, I'm not going to tell you what you should do but I am going to tell you that you have no room to ask me why I would vote for a lier.


http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot...t-of-lies.html



Link no workie??

[ABQCOWBOY]

Link no workie??

Hey MIck,

http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-not-exactly-list-of-lies.html

Basically a link to what I'd posted earlier. Just a series of statements documented by this site on Obamas, less then factual statements, shall we say.

[Angus]

I was raised a Muslim, went to a Catholic school when I was little, and I am still a Muslim. OMG. Fear me!

But seriously, I prefer Obama only because I see McCain as another four years of Bush, and not much has been said to change my opinion. I really dislike the fact that Obama disassociates himself from my religion, as if it is something that is tainted and is costing him votes, even though it probably and unfortunately is. Yay! for Pavlov.

Sultan, as a matter of curiosity I have a question that I hope won't offend you. Although you were raised as a Muslim and are still Muslim, has there been a time or two, for one reason or another, that you referred to yourself as Baptist or Christian, or let people assume as much without correcting them?

I don't wish to make you uncomfortable. I was raised a Baptist but attended the Methodist Church for several years in my teen years. i never claimed to be Methodist but I didn't go out of my way to correct people who got that impression. However, if anybody asked me I would set them straight that I was baptized a Baptist, and I never tried to keep knowledge of my Methodist association from fellow Baptists.

Have you been in that position?

:)

[SultanOfSix]

Sultan, as a matter of curiosity I have a question that I hope won't offend you. Although you were raised as a Muslim and are still Muslim, has there been a time or two, for one reason or another, that you referred to yourself as Baptist or Christian, or let people assume as much without correcting them?

I don't wish to make you uncomfortable. I was raised a Baptist but attended the Methodist Church for several years in my teen years. i never claimed to be Methodist but I didn't go out of my way to correct people who got that impression. However, if anybody asked me I would set them straight that I was baptized a Baptist, and I never tried to keep knowledge of my Methodist association from fellow Baptists.

Have you been in that position?

:)

No, I haven't referred to myself as Christian. I've never felt the need to, neither when I was young and there wasn't any problems being Muslim at all that I can recollect, or shortly after 911 or even now, when there was and still is for some people.

[Angus]

No, I haven't referred to myself as Christian. I've never felt the need to, neither when I was young and there wasn't any problems being Muslim at all that I can recollect, or shortly after 911 or even now, when there was and still is for some people.

Thanks, Sultan. I'm glad you've had no need and no trouble. Thanks, again.

:)

[Rack Bauer]

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-Am...

Is this true? And if so, is there a more "reputable" source that has that information?

[ZB9]

I guess many Muslims go to Christian churches because it can be difficult to find Mosques

a couple of my friends that happen to be Muslim would go to a church with me on campus, because there werent many mosques around...or maybe they just wanted to play on the church softball team :)

is their homeboy, but they think he was a prophet.

[ZB9]

No, I haven't referred to myself as Christian. I've never felt the need to, neither when I was young and there wasn't any problems being Muslim at all that I can recollect, or shortly after 911 or even now, when there was and still is for some people.

Im curious Sultan, are many Muslim-Americans concerned about Obama "overcompensating" and giving a large American group that has been in the country for quite a while less of a voice than they currently have?

It seems Muslim Americans are the only group that feels they cannot speak out as much during this election even though it affects them like everyone else. They are not being pandered to as much as other groups, and have their candidate removing them from his rallies. That must be frustrating.

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, he's a Muslim that belonged to an extreme Christian Church.

Got it.

Will that fit on a bumper sticker?

It will if I'm driving.

:D

[Rack Bauer]

Is this true? And if so, is there a more "reputable" source that has that information?

ABQ? You there?

[SultanOfSix]

Im curious Sultan, are many Muslim-Americans concerned about Obama "overcompensating" and giving a large American group that has been in the country for quite a while less of a voice than they currently have?

It seems Muslim Americans are the only group that feels they cannot speak out as much during this election even though it affects them like everyone else. They are not being pandered to as much as other groups, and have their candidate removing them from his rallies. That must be frustrating.

No, I don't think they believe he is overcompensating. Some of my friends believe he is just playing the political game by tenuously disassociating himself from Muslims, and they don't blame him due to the negative publicity that it tends to arouse. Just look at the responses on this forum. Muslims have spoken out in past elections, including the election of 2001 where the majority of Muslims actually supported Bush, which changed in 2004 due to his policies. Post 911, that seemed to change due to most Muslim organizations being put on the defensive due to the events that happened. Muslims aren't as outspoken because they don't really have a large voice in the media outlets that exist today. As their population grows, you'll see candidates pander more to the demographic because that is the nature of a democracy.

I personally am frustrated by Obama's disassociation, not so much that he says he is a Christian, which is fine - people have their beliefs and I cannot look into their hearts and question their sincerity - but the way in which he does so. It just emphasizes to me, the lack of character that seems to be predominant in political candidates.

[Maikeru-sama]

So, he's a Muslim that belonged to an extreme Christian Church.

Got it.

Will that fit on a bumper sticker?

:lmao2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

ABQ? You there?


Hey Rack,

What's up?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Rack,

I'm sorry man, I probably missed you. Anyway, I don't know if that site is reputable or not.

However, I did run across these two articles. One is linked back to the Washington Post, the other is from the Israelinsider. Both are pretty long so I'll just post the links. I don't know. Read them and then decide for yourself what you think. I don't believe he is African American. I believe he is Arabic but again, decide for yourself.

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm

[Heisenberg]

Rack,

I'm sorry man, I probably missed you. Anyway, I don't know if that site is reputable or not.

However, I did run across these two articles. One is linked back to the Washington Post, the other is from the Israelinsider. Both are pretty long so I'll just post the links. I don't know. Read them and then decide for yourself what you think. I don't believe he is African American. I believe he is Arabic but again, decide for yourself.

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm

Weird. And here I was thinking that being born in the United States and having a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas would make him African American. Silly me.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Weird. And here I was thinking that being born in the United States and having a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas would make him African American. Silly me.


Indeed.

[EveryoneElse]

he was a terrorist at 8 so...............

No, he just chooses to be friendly with one. I have never accused him of being anything other than a liar. I don't hold his faith against him one way or another. I don't think he's a terrorist.....just a person with extremely bad judgement.

McCain is not bringing up Ayers to paint Obama as a terrorist, he's doing the medias job of trying to dig up the extent of the relationship, the American people deserve to know who Obama is and what he stands for. The MSM hasn't made him answerany tough questions up until this point.