View Full Version : Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Sarah Palin, schoolyard bully
Angus
10-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Sarah Palin, the classic schoolyard bully
Tuesday, October 07, 2008
By Tony Norman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Those of us with vivid memories of middle school have seen Gov. Sarah Palin's type before. She was the girl who was always the first to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and the last to stop instigating fights in the cafeteria.
She was the girl who always had just enough self-awareness to know when the boys were paying more attention to her than to other girls. Her specialty was flattering the alpha boys around her. Terrified of losing her exalted place, she quickly perfected the art of saying nothing of consequence. She rambled because the boys thought it was cute. If she ever had an original thought in her head, she was discreet enough to keep it to herself. She was the conformist who fancied herself a leader.
From an early age, she knew the power of a strategically placed hand on the bicep of some jock. Girls like Sarah Palin knew how to secure a place with the "in crowd." After all, she was the girl with the iridescent smile who provided the laugh track for the meatheads roaming the halls pulling wedgies on those who would never qualify as "their kind of people."
Like a lot of bullies, Sarah Palin talks tough when she's surrounded by people of like mind and even less imagination; the more gullible the mob of admirers, the better. That has always been the case with demagogues. Sarah Palin subscribes to the same strain of American anti-intellectualism and fake populism as Huey Long, Spiro Agnew and other media-savvy scoundrels from the last century.
The best that could be said for her is that she is made out of a lot more corn, chutzpah and plastic than earlier models -- she's Demagogue 2.0 for a new century.
In a much ridiculed post on its Web site last week, National Review editor Rich Lowry described Ms. Palin's performance against Joe Biden in terms best reserved for risque infomercials hawking male enhancement pills:
"Palin ... projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, 'Hey, I think she just winked at me.' And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it."
For some conservatives, the Sarah Palin effect lasts longer than the four hours the doctors warned them about. While many Americans cringe in embarrassment at her coquettishness wrapped in a gauze of hubris and religious sanctimony, Ms. Palin's admirers insist she's the most exciting political aphrodisiac since Reagan.
Because she didn't vomit, faint or run off the stage crying, to paraphrase Queen Latifah as Gwen Ifill on "Saturday Night Live," Sarah Palin was once again declared a viable No. 2 to the oldest Republican presidential candidate in American history. With the Biden debate behind her, she flexed her political muscle over the weekend. In cadences that wouldn't have been out of place on "The Little Rascals," she repeated her claim that Barack Obama started his political career in a terrorist's living room.
And wasn't she adorable as she damned the Democratic presidential nominee for being an unindicted co-conspirator of William Ayers' Weather Underground? Never mind that he was a child when Ayers and his fellow Weathermen were at work.
"And I am so fearful that this is not a man who sees America the way you and I see America," Sarah Palin said whipping up a crowd in Florida yesterday the way bullies did in high school. "[We] see America as the greatest source for good in the world. I'm afraid [Obama] is someone who sees America as imperfect enough to work with a former domestic terrorist who had targeted his own country."
It was the kind of sleazy, reprehensible charge that only a desperate candidate would stoop to a month before Election Day. Still, Sarah Palin relished the theatricality of the moment. She made the charge several times over the weekend, too.
While the financial system as they knew it was falling down around their ears, Sarah Palin insisted that a nonexistent relationship between her opponent and an aging '60s radical was the biggest problem facing the Republic. That didn't matter to her. She was the biggest demagogue in America, for all the good it did her sputtering, drifting campaign.
It's times like these when I get nostalgic for old coots like Spiro Agnew, a raging ideologue who had the sense to know when he was lying to the American people. He would have been charmed, but horrified by Sarah Palin. He would have dubbed her the Paleolithic Princess of Parsimonious Patriotism. And it would have stuck, too.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08281/918018-153.stm
canters
10-07-2008, 01:44 PM
Boo hoo, she is picking on us,,,,,,Make her stop.....Boo HOOOOOO
Wheat
10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
Boo hoo, she is picking on us,,,,,,Make her stop.....Boo HOOOOOO
Sounds like her comments about the Media.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 01:49 PM
Boo hoo, she is picking on us,,,,,,Make her stop.....Boo HOOOOOO
Call any women I ever heard of a Pig with Lipstick and she'll rip your Nards of every time.
:D
canters
10-07-2008, 01:52 PM
Sounds like her comments about the Media.
Difference there was that the media was interested in "getting" her...They had dishonorable intentions. That being said, she handled it poorly.....I bet she never makes that mistake again. She has kicked Barry in the nads ever since.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 01:59 PM
http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1997/star.wars.anniversary/where.are.they/yoda.lg.jpg
The hate is strong in this one.
On a serious note.
I have heard a couple in the press and some people I have personally talked to, compare her to Reagan and of course she brought his name up in that one debate and seemed to try and channel some of him at times.
However as I told a couple of people I have talked to personally.
This woman is no Regan and I personally think it is an insult to the man for someone to even compare her to him.
But that is just me.
Wheat
10-07-2008, 02:00 PM
Difference there was that the media was interested in "getting" her...They had dishonorable intentions. That being said, she handled it poorly.....I bet she never makes that mistake again. She has kicked Barry in the nads ever since.
What a crock.
Nobody knows anything about her. So, they ask her questions. That's how it works. Even while blowing away expectations.....polls show she LOST her debate. She can attack Obama all she wants. She does it in front of only friendly crowds now. No more debates and she doesn't speak to the media. The story is that she and McCain have gone negative. Whoever leaked that it was coming, should be fired. They changed the story.
If she's sitting across from the leader of another nation during a crisis. She can't choose to not answer a specific question to talk whatever she remembers from prep.
McCain, Obama, and Binden have been in the national eye for almost 2 years. Just because the real Palin isn't as sexy as her convention speech. Doesn't mean its unfair.
How has she helped her boss?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/07/1504498.aspx
The negative turn: It’s also worth pointing out that McCain’s negatives have increased as he’s gone on the attack against Obama. In March, his fav/unfav was 49%-27%; now it’s 43%-39% (+4). By comparison, Obama has gone from 51%-28% in March to 52%-35% (+17). In addition, Obama’s numbers among independents have shot up in the latest NBC/WSJ poll: Two weeks ago, McCain led him here, 51%-38%, and now it’s Obama up four, 42%-38%.
Fix the base tour: On Saturday, Palin campaigned in Carson, CA. On Sunday, it was in Omaha. On Monday, she was in Clearwater and Estero, FL. And today? She’s in Jacksonville and Pensacola, FL, and then she heads to Greenville, NC. Her mission has become clear: She’s on the "fix the base" tour. Palin's positive ratings combined with her still mediocre qualification ratings (just 41% believe she’s qualified to be president, versus 74% for Biden) make her in some ways the perfect surrogate to go after Obama. She's considered likeable and voters will listen to her attacks; if she were being asked to talk policy at this point, voters might not take her as seriously. Look for Palin to continue in this attack dog role, which for her own politics should serve her well in the long term as she hopes to be the conservative hero for years to come. If McCain-Palin doesn't win, the candidate that was the most aggressive of the two will be rewarded by the base who will fret that the GOP didn't do enough to take down Obama
trickblue
10-07-2008, 02:01 PM
Sarah Palin is a bully...
I'm getting a little frisky now...
I thought she was more of a pitbull.
Maybe she's actually a pitbully? :confused:
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:05 PM
I thought she was more of a pitbull.
Maybe she's actually a pitbully? :confused:
She is no pit bull...more like an annoying chihuahua.:D
trickblue
10-07-2008, 02:07 PM
She is no pit bull...more like an annoying chihuahua.:D
Yes... a hot, milfy, naughty-librarianesque chihuahua... :laugh2:
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Yes... a hot, milfy, naughty-librarianesque chihuahua... :laugh2:
:lmao2:
I'm expecting the Milk Bone underwear lines to be showing up any minute now.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:11 PM
:lmao2:
I'm expecting the Milk Bone underwear lines to be showing up any minute now.
It's a dog eat dog world out there and I am wearing milk bone underwear.
hint hint naughty librarian.
canters
10-07-2008, 02:16 PM
She is no pit bull...more like an annoying chihuahua.:D
Funny stuff,,,:laugh2:
If this newspaper is complaining about her being a bully, they need to get some tampons from the nearest drug store.
ScipioCowboy
10-07-2008, 02:19 PM
Sarah Palin subscribes to the same strain of American anti-intellectualism and fake populism as Huey Long, Spiro Agnew and other media-savvy scoundrels from the last century.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08281/918018-153.stm
I'm forced to wonder what, in this writer's view, is anti-intellectual about Sarah Palin.
Is it her constant referencing of Joe Six Pack and Hockey Moms?
Is it her belief in a God-centered Universe?
If so, the writer should probably check out the speeches and resume of one Joe Biden, who appeals incessantly to his blue collar, working class background and his Scranton, Pennsylvania origin, and who is apparently a devout Catholic. Furthermore, Joe Biden is no stranger to the bully accusation, which has been levied against him by members of his own party.
Perhaps the writer of this article is judging Sarah Palin by her mid-western voice inflection and mannerisms?
If so, I suppose I'm a dunce as well, given my Texas roots.:D
canters
10-07-2008, 02:23 PM
I'm forced to wonder what, in this writer's view, is anti-intellectual about Sarah Palin.
Is it her constant referencing of Joe Six Pack and Hockey Moms?
Is it her belief in a God-centered Universe?
If so, the writer should probably check out the speeches and resume of one Joe Biden, who appeals incessantly to his blue collar, working class background and his Scranton, Pennsylvania origin, and who is apparently a devout Catholic. Furthermore, Joe Biden is no stranger to the bully accusation, which has been levied against him by members of his own party.
Perhaps the writer of this article is judging Sarah Palin by her mid-western voice inflection and mannerisms?
If so, I suppose I'm a dunce as well, given my Texas roots.:D
She is for God, Guns, and Babies. This irritates the intellectual left who by and large are agnostic, or worse, hate guns, and well, you know by now.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:24 PM
Funny stuff,,,:laugh2:
If this newspaper is complaining about her being a bully, they need to get some tampons from the nearest drug store.
Maybe it is one of those phenomenon among women where sometimes when they work together for some time they start sharing the same....uh...time of the month.
Maybe Palin, the press, the dems complaining about her, and the republicans whining about the press are all exp the same thing at the same time.
I think I might go out and buy stock in Kotex.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:27 PM
She is for God, Guns, and Babies. This irritates the intellectual left who by and large are agnostic, or worse, hate guns, and well, you know by now.
Clown car....wait...what?
canters
10-07-2008, 02:29 PM
Maybe it is one of those phenomenon among women where sometimes when they work together for some time they start sharing the same....uh...time of the month.
Maybe Palin, the press, the dems complaining about her, and the republicans whining about the press are all exp the same thing at the same time.
I think I might go out and buy stock in Kotex.
You are on a roll today.....
canters
10-07-2008, 02:30 PM
Clown car....wait...what?
Most journalists cannot carry Sarah's purse....take that you dorks.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:32 PM
Most journalists cannot carry Sarah's purse....take that you dorks.
Sarah does not carry a purse. She uses the bladder from a grizzly she killed to carry things in.
trickblue
10-07-2008, 02:33 PM
Most journalists cannot carry Sarah's purse....take that you dorks.
or perhaps...
http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2008/05/robertdowney051408.jpg
ScipioCowboy
10-07-2008, 02:33 PM
Sarah does not carry a purse. She uses the bladder from a grizzly she killed to carry things in.
This thread is rapidly becoming reminiscent of a folk song.;)
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:37 PM
This thread is rapidly becoming reminiscent of a folk song.;)
Davey...DAAAAVY Crockett king of the wild frontier.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:37 PM
or perhaps...
http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2008/05/robertdowney051408.jpg
Proposed new man law....
Ironman should not carry a man bag.
MAN LAW!!!!
adamc91115
10-07-2008, 02:43 PM
Nah the media isn't out to get her at all...
Like accusing her 17 year old daughter of being the mother of Sarah's down-syndrome child, that was a valid issue!
Big Dakota
10-07-2008, 02:44 PM
She is no pit bull...more like an annoying chihuahua.:D
John and Sarah in 08
http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/Ren-Stimpy-detail-2.JPG (http://www.comic-mint.com/engine/SID/1000207.htm)http://www.comic-mint.com/media/share/blank.gifhttp://www.comic-mint.com/media/share/i_corner_b_l.gifhttp://www.comic-mint.com/media/share/blank.gifhttp://www.comic-mint.com/media/share/i_corner_b_r.gif
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 02:44 PM
Nah the media isn't out to get her at all...
Like accusing her 17 year old daughter of being the mother of Sarah's down-syndrome child, that was a valid issue!
Which media did that?
Big Dakota
10-07-2008, 02:46 PM
or perhaps...
http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2008/05/robertdowney051408.jpg
:lmao2:
adamc91115
10-07-2008, 02:47 PM
It was originally posted on either the kos or huffington, and was run by the MSM that day.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 02:47 PM
John and Sarah in 08
I rather think it's:
http://www.tvguide.com/movies/dbpix/images/29110a.jpg
and
http://www.cineclub.de/images/1996/fargo.7.jpg
2008. You betcha!
Which media did that?
the liberal one
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 02:48 PM
the liberal one
Can you provide the names of specific newspapers, channels, or journalists?
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:50 PM
Can you provide the names of specific newspapers, channels, or journalists?
As another poster said...It started on the DailyKos.
If memory serves, the other MSM media went with it but they were just quoting the DailyKos.
Off the top of my head the only one I can remember going further with it might have been People Magazine but I could be wrong.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 02:53 PM
Can you provide the names of specific newspapers, channels, or journalists?
Is this really going anywhere? If provided, will we all say, "OK, thank you." and then go about our business or will we prosecute?
The media has been out to get Palin. That's just a fact. Now, you can argue as to why this is happening but you can't argue the point that the media is severly liberal.
Cajuncowboy
10-07-2008, 02:58 PM
Liberals are always :tantrum:
Unreal! :rolleyes:
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 02:59 PM
Liberals are always :tantrum:
Unreal! :rolleyes:
This is the part where you yell...darn media and it actually go with what we are talking about.
You are slacking man...I am calling Dr Phil to make a house call for you.
;) :p:
Cajuncowboy
10-07-2008, 03:00 PM
This is the part where you yell...darn media and it actually go with what we are talking about.
You are slacking man...I am calling Dr Phil to make a house call for you.
;) :p:
And this is where you say, "But the other guys do it."
Got a two for one coupon you want to share?
Wheat
10-07-2008, 03:08 PM
Is this really going anywhere? If provided, will we all say, "OK, thank you." and then go about our business or will we prosecute?
The media has been out to get Palin. That's just a fact. Now, you can argue as to why this is happening but you can't argue the point that the media is severly liberal.
I don't think its a fact. I think its been the Neocon response to her being mostly unaccessable and when she has been.....she wasn't good.
So, its "change topic" time to say they are being tough on her. Real conservatives were complaining that McCain was getting kid gloves during the primaries. Now its the other way around?
Please.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 03:19 PM
The media has been out to get Palin. That's just a fact. Now, you can argue as to why this is happening but you can't argue the point that the media is severly liberal.
Your argument would have more merit if I didn't witness firsthand the 24/7 media frenzy over Jeremiah Wright a few months ago. Palin would wither under similar scrutiny if she can't even handle a Katie Couric interview.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't think its a fact. I think its been the Neocon response to her being mostly unaccessable and when she has been.....she wasn't good.
So, its "change topic" time to say they are being tough on her. Real conservatives were complaining that McCain was getting kid gloves during the primaries. Now its the other way around?
Please.
If it were just her, then I might be inclinded to agree. If the reports filed were not so blatently wrong, then I might agree.
There is tough and then there is infactual reporting.
If your asking what Obama's ties are to Ayers, and pressing it, that's tough because there was a relationship there.
If your reporting that Palin's daughter is the real mother of Palin's down Syndrom Son or that her 17 year old daughter is getting drunk regularly while pregnant, that is unsubstantiated rumor that is being reported. YOu have editors who are supposed to make certain this does not happen. How then, do these stories get filed? No, I'm affraid I can not agree on this one Wheat.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 03:28 PM
If your reporting that Palin's daughter is the real mother of Palin's down Syndrom Son or that her 17 year old daughter is getting drunk regularly while pregnant, that is unsubstantiated rumor that is being reported. YOu have editors who are supposed to make certain this does not happen. How then, do these stories get filed? No, I'm affraid I can not agree on this one Wheat.
What media outlets are reporting this stuff? The New York Times? The Washington Post? USA Today? Newsweek? Time? NBC? CNN? Blogs?
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:33 PM
Your argument would have more merit if I didn't witness firsthand the 24/7 media frenzy over Jeremiah Wright a few months ago. Palin would wither under similar scrutiny if she can't even handle a Katie Couric interview.
I wonder what Biden might say about that. The whole Couric thing is dead and gone. Palin put it to rest in the debate. Like it or not, she performed very well and, she disproved the rediculous perceptions abound that she was not intelligent enough to be in this race.
As for Jeremiah Wright, well, perhaps you are correct. I noticed that Obama could not get far enough away from Jerry, quickly enough. Perhaps there is something to that, after all.
Wheat
10-07-2008, 03:34 PM
What media outlets are reporting this stuff? The New York Times? The Washington Post? USA Today? Newsweek? Time? NBC? CNN? Blogs?
I don't remember either.
I remember the story that the GOP was claiming some Dems were leaking that story. But, the only time I heard the story was when the GOPers were complaining about it.
I always thought the bigger story was that this woman who claims to be very devout and religious...and how she handled her teenage daughter getting knocked up. Then how all the sudden when it was a story, that they were getting married.
Personally, I don't care. Palin has money and can support her kid and her grandkid. It doesn't send a good message to the masses. But, its her private life.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:37 PM
What media outlets are reporting this stuff? The New York Times? The Washington Post? USA Today? Newsweek? Time? NBC? CNN? Blogs?
I don't know if all of them carried it but I certainly know that some of them did. How do I know this? I saw it myself. It's very convenient to air a story with the lead being, "XYZ is reporting today that Sarah Palin's daughter........."
Yes, they did pick up those stories and run with them. Further, I saw a report just the other day that said the Liberals in todays Media are slanted at a 5 to 1 ratio. For every 1 conservative, there are 5 liberals. That fact alone is going to slant any view on any given subject.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 03:38 PM
And this is where you say, "But the other guys do it."
Got a two for one coupon you want to share?
Dr phil IS the other guy...he will help you.
Cajuncowboy
10-07-2008, 03:39 PM
Dr phil IS the other guy...he will help you.
I think you need to see him first, fuzzy.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 03:42 PM
I wonder what Biden might say about that. The whole Couric thing is dead and gone. Palin put it to rest in the debate. .
Her charming Marge Gunderson impersonation did not lay to rest concerns over her fitness for the office of VP, at least not among discriminating minds who value intelligence and seriousness.
Obama, McCain, and Biden are known quantities who have already been subjected to national media scrutiny. Palin attracts attention because she's new and inaccessible. Nothing strange about that except in the minds of those desperate to find an excuse for the the souring fortunes of a floundering campaign.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 03:45 PM
I don't know if all of them carried it but I certainly know that some of them did. How do I know this? I saw it myself. It's very convenient to air a story with the lead being, "XYZ is reporting today that Sarah Palin's daughter........."
Yes, they did pick up those stories and run with them. Further, I saw a report just the other day that said the Liberals in todays Media are slanted at a 5 to 1 ratio. For every 1 conservative, there are 5 liberals. That fact alone is going to slant any view on any given subject.
So you question the media on the one hand only to cite a story in the media to justify your position that it is slanted?
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:48 PM
Her charming Marge Gunderson impersonation did not lay to rest concerns over her fitness for the office of VP, at least not among discriminating minds who value intelligence and seriousness.
Obama, McCain, and Biden are known quantities who have already been subjected to national media scrutiny. Palin attracts attention because she's new and inaccessible. Nothing strange about that except in the minds of those desperate to find an excuse for the the souring fortunes of a floundering campaign.
No, lets correct this, shall we? McCain adn Biden are known quantities. At least, amoung discriminating minds who value intelligence and seriousness.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:49 PM
So you question the media on the one hand only to cite a story in the media to justify your position that it is slanted?
In English perhaps? My French is not THAT good.
ScipioCowboy
10-07-2008, 03:50 PM
No, lets correct this, shall we? McCain adn Biden are known quantities. At least, amoung discriminating minds who value intelligence and seriousness.
:hammer:
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 03:51 PM
No, lets correct this, shall we? McCain adn Biden are known quantities. At least, amoung discriminating minds who value intelligence and seriousness.
You must not have followed the democratic primary which lasted over a year and the intense media scrutiny of all of Obama's questionable ties, especially in the far left press (you know, MotherJones, the Nation, AlterNet, etc.). The media can't be blamed for that.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 03:52 PM
You must not have followed the democratic primary which lasted over a year and the intense media scrutiny of all of Obama's questionable ties, especially in the far left press (you know, MotherJones, the Nation, AlterNet, etc.). The media can't be blamed for that.
I did say serious, I believe.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 04:45 PM
I did say serious, I believe.
Go ahead and search the archives of the NYtimes, CNN, MSNBC and other major media outlets for "Rezko," "Ayers," and "Wright."
Yeah, the mainstream media has given Obama a free pass. :rolleyes:
REDVOLUTION
10-07-2008, 04:58 PM
LMAO
No, no no... say it aint so (Joe) :lmao:
"I was at school today... and... and.... a.... a....a.a girl...... slapped the stoopid outta me"
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 05:18 PM
Go ahead and search the archives of the NYtimes, CNN, MSNBC and other major media outlets for "Rezko," "Ayers," and "Wright."
Yeah, the mainstream media has given Obama a free pass. :rolleyes:
They have given him a pass. However, that is not what is at stake in this discussion. All of those things have a ceratain amount of substance attached to them. Now, you can say that there is nothing to them or that they are perfectly legitamit but they all have confirmed reasoning as to why you would ask the questions and report on it.
What the media has done to Palin is baseless. They had nothing that would suggest the stories that were run about her family. Completely baseless. That is not tough reporting. That is something else.
REDVOLUTION
10-07-2008, 05:29 PM
What the media has done to Palin is baseless. They had nothing that would suggest the stories that were run about her family. Completely baseless. That is not tough reporting. That is something else.
That is a fair and reasonable analogy.
Palin issues - created and sustained... with a venom
Obama issues - discussed and dismissed or dismissed while being discussed
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 06:08 PM
What the media has done to Palin is baseless. They had nothing that would suggest the stories that were run about her family. Completely baseless. That is not tough reporting. That is something else.
The fallout from the Gibson and Couric interviews are not baseless.
ABQCOWBOY
10-07-2008, 06:31 PM
The fallout from the Gibson and Couric interviews are not baseless.
The Gibson and Couric interviews are not what is being discussed here.
Sasquatch
10-07-2008, 06:49 PM
The Gibson and Couric interviews are not what is being discussed here.
Sure it is, since you're essentially trying to call into question the MSM's entire coverage of Palin based on a rumor started by internet bloggers.
I thought you were a proponent of intellectual honesty?
Danny White
10-07-2008, 07:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1997/star.wars.anniversary/where.are.they/yoda.lg.jpg
The hate is strong in this one.
On a serious note.
I have heard a couple in the press and some people I have personally talked to, compare her to Reagan and of course she brought his name up in that one debate and seemed to try and channel some of him at times.
However as I told a couple of people I have talked to personally.
This woman is no Regan and I personally think it is an insult to the man for someone to even compare her to him.
But that is just me.
I don't think anyone is saying she IS Reagan... what I've said is that she has the potential to be the best advocate for conservative government since Reagan.
At the point she is in her career now, it's hard to say if that will happen, but she has Reagan-like qualities that Bush, Dole, Bush, and McCain all sorely lack.
She, like Reagan, has her roots in a more grassroots conservatism than through the traditional party system. They are both underestimated by their ideological opponents who generally view them to be intellectual lightweights... both regularly mocked for having a supposedly over-simplified world-view. She, like Reagan, seems to have true convictions and (hopefully) doesn't bend whatever way the political wind is blowing.
Again, it's too early to say, but she seems to show some of those traits.
BrAinPaiNt
10-07-2008, 07:03 PM
I don't think anyone is saying she IS Reagan... what I've said is that she has the potential to be the best advocate for conservative government since Reagan.
At the point she is in her career now, it's hard to say if that will happen, but she has Reagan-like qualities that Bush, Dole, Bush, and McCain all sorely lack.
She, like Reagan, has her roots in a more grassroots conservatism than through the traditional party system. They are both underestimated by their ideological opponents who generally view them to be intellectual lightweights... both regularly mocked for having a supposedly over-simplified world-view. She, like Reagan, seems to have true convictions and (hopefully) doesn't bend whatever way the political wind is blowing.
Again, it's too early to say, but she seems to show some of those traits.
I did not accuse anyone on this forum of comparing her to reagan. I said people I know personally (not on the net) and some right talking mouths in the press.
And sorry...She is not even good enough to be the skid marks on ronnies old skivies IMO.
Angus
10-07-2008, 07:05 PM
I don't think its a fact. I think its been the Neocon response to her being mostly unaccessable and when she has been.....she wasn't good.
So, its "change topic" time to say they are being tough on her. Real conservatives were complaining that McCain was getting kid gloves during the primaries. Now its the other way around?
Please.
Yes. McCain was more "liberal" than other conservatives in the primary. That's the reason the MSM adopted him as the Republican pet until the real contest started. Even the New York Times endorsed him for the Republican nomination.
But they never expected to endorse him against a Democrat, any liberal Democrat. He was a stalking horse for them, who they eagerly and viciously turned on when it was no longer necessary to defeat a more conservative Republican.
The MSM serves liberals, with whatever it takes. If that's sliming Palin, it's sliming Palin.
:)
Big Dakota
10-07-2008, 07:13 PM
I did not accuse anyone on this forum of comparing her to reagan. I said people I know personally (not on the net) and some right talking mouths in the press.
And sorry...She is not even good enough to be the skid marks on ronnies old skivies IMO.
:laugh2:
Danny White
10-07-2008, 07:20 PM
I did not accuse anyone on this forum of comparing her to reagan. I said people I know personally (not on the net) and some right talking mouths in the press.
And sorry...She is not even good enough to be the skid marks on ronnies old skivies IMO.
You could be right... for our country's sake, I hope you're wrong. Because I don't see a lot of potential candidates out there to take on Ronnie's mantle any time soon.
burmafrd
10-07-2008, 10:19 PM
Sasqie, why bother to act like you would actually admit that your liberal friends in the media were after Palin. You never will. Yahoo News, AP News, MSN, all carried stories hinting about her daughter and oh so casually mentioning charges about who the real mother was. You could not admit that because then your whole worldview becomes a joke. You couldn't handle the TRUTH!!!
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