Presidential Debate

[trickblue]

I much prefer these Town Hall type debates...

Good debate thus far...

[WoodysGirl]

I'm flipping back and forth between this and a Jay-Z show. Yes, poor priorities, but my DVR is already taping two shows.

What's been interesting so far?

[CowboyPrincess]

I just love how Obama took jabs at McCain and then says.. "but you don't what to hear politicians point fingers at each other" --- nice way to get it in and then make the other guy look small if he retorts

And that was after McCain praised an Obama supporter

[WoodysGirl]

That first question is a tough one.

How can we trust either one of you? There is no right answer.

[Thanos68]

I just love how Obama took jabs at McCain and then says.. "but you don't what to hear politicians point fingers at each other" --- nice way to get it in and then make the other guy look small if he retorts

And that was after McCain praised an Obama supporter

Are you even watching??? It was McCain who took the first jabs with the Fannie and Freddie comment. So he took his swings and then basically said stop the bull****. It was perfect.

Obama also gave a much better and more intricate answer with the first question then McCain did.

[CowboyPrincess]

3 million bucks for an overhead projector???? WOW now that is what I call pork barrel

[Thanos68]

That first question is a tough one.

How can we trust either one of you? There is no right answer.

That was the third question.. :lmao2:

[WoodysGirl]

That was the third question.. :lmao2:
First question for me. Read my first post in this thread. ;)

And really is it that funny?

[Danny White]

I promise I'm not going to watch this whole thing, but if McCain keeps talking about how well he works with Feingold, Lieberman and Kennedy on the garbage he worked with them on... I'm going to vomit.

[CowboyPrincess]

Are you even watching??? It was McCain who took the first jabs with the Fannie and Freddie comment. So he took his swings and then basically said stop the bull****. It was perfect.

Obama also gave a much better and more intricate answer with the first question then McCain did.

We are definitely not watching the same debate cuz I heard them both answer the first question but neither gave detailed answers as to how to do it. I found both answered to vague for me

[Thanos68]

First question for me. Read my first post in this thread. ;)

And really is it that funny?

So we have to read your post and then do the subtraction?? :rolleyes:

[WoodysGirl]

So we have to read your post and then do the subtraction?? :rolleyes:
Or how about acknowledge that I just turned it on, so of course I missed the first question. Not a big ha-ha, IMO.

[CowboyPrincess]

excellent internet question! What are they going to ask all americans to give to help restore the american dream

[Thanos68]

We are definitely not watching the same debate cuz I heard them both answer the first question but neither gave detailed answers as to how to do it. I found both answered to vague for me

Obama said - Oversight for all the money that was lended out. Cut Taxes for the middle class. Fix the deregulation that is going on. I forget what else, there was something else.

McCain basically gave a bunch of rhetoric and then actually said that you have to fix home prices. So all he really said that he would do was fix home prices. The rest was just BS about the problem.

[CowboyPrincess]

Or how about acknowledge that I just turned it on, so of course I missed the first question. Not a big ha-ha, IMO.

is he here to discuss the debate or to ridicule the posters

[MetalHead]

Is McCain conceding tonight?...jeez.
Mentions greed corruption,but no indictements nor prosecutions.

[CowboyPrincess]

Obama said - Oversight for all the money that was lended out. Cut Taxes for the middle class. Fix the deregulation that is going on. I forget what else, there was something else.

McCain basically gave a bunch of rhetoric and then actually said that you have to fix home prices. So all he really said that he would do was fix home prices. The rest was just BS about the problem.

I tell you what.. I'm recording this.. I'll go back later and type out the answers to the first question because you seem to have remembered a little of what Obama said and nothing of McCain and I'd hate for you to not know the whole answer from BOTH of them. And I still don't see where Obama said HOW it was going to be done, only vague list of things.. How is he going to lower the taxes, how is he going to fix the deregulation, etc

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't like Obama......

[WoodysGirl]

I don't like Obama......Deep... :cool:

[StevenOtero]

In case you were wondering...Rockefeller puppets debating (agreeing) now...

While the economy is in shambles and both supported Chinese/Saudi CEO bailouts...

2 illegal wars going on...

Still no true investigation into 9/11

Bush/Cheney/McCain/Obama still talking about building the wars up to Pakistan and/or Iran...

The MSM wants us to think there is really a debate.

Oh well...

post away about the puppet dog and pony show

[DaBoys4Life]

Deep... :cool:

I know right.....

[DaBoys4Life]

In case you were wondering...Rockefeller puppets debating (agreeing) now...

While the economy is in shambles and both supported Chinese/Saudi CEO bailouts...

2 illegal wars going on...

Still no true investigation into 9/11

Bush/Cheney/McCain/Obama still talking about building the wars up to Pakistan and/or Iran...

The MSM wants us to think there is really a debate.

Oh well...

post away about the puppet dog and pony show

How do you complain about the economy in shambles and then complain about no 9/11 investigation how much do you think that will cost?

[StevenOtero]

How do you complain about the economy in shambles and then complain about no 9/11 investigation how much do you think that will cost?Well considering that the investigation into Clinton's impeachment cost more than the non-investigation into 9/11 is a damn shame.

[MetalHead]

In case you were wondering...Rockefeller puppets debating (agreeing) now...

While the economy is in shambles and both supported Chinese/Saudi CEO bailouts...

2 illegal wars going on...

Still no true investigation into 9/11

Bush/Cheney/McCain/Obama still talking about building the wars up to Pakistan and/or Iran...

The MSM wants us to think there is really a debate.

Oh well...

post away about the puppet dog and pony show

Are you sure you are not in Roswell?

[WoodysGirl]

We should've started another thread on personal colloquisms, again.

I think McCain has said, My friend, about six times in that last question on SS and medicare.

[CowboyPrincess]

I'm sorry... I missed it. Did Obama answer the question about SS and Medicare? I heard him go back and talk about the tax question that he was denied a second response to

[StevenOtero]

Are you sure you are not in Roswell?Are you sure that all you can do is attack me and not debate the issues?

[CowboyPrincess]

Are you sure you are not in Roswell?

Ya beat me to it... LOL

[MetalHead]

300 million americans,and these two clowns is the best we can come up with?

[StevenOtero]

Ya beat me to it... LOLhahahahahahaha :rolleyes:

[MetalHead]

Are you sure that all you can do is attack me and not debate the issues?

I don't debate with 9/11 truthers.

[numnuts23]

Mac is taking it to Obama on the tax issue. You can't deny that Obama is fluff and nothing more.

[WoodysGirl]

I'm sorry... I missed it. Did Obama answer the question about SS and Medicare? I heard him go back and talk about the tax question that he was denied a second response to
I'm sorry. I missed it because I was flipping back and forth. The little bit I heard was pretty much stock campaign rhetoric.

[CowboyPrincess]

McCains voice is annoying me. He sounds like Mr. Rogers right now

[DaBoys4Life]

Well considering that the investigation into Clinton's impeachment cost more than the non-investigation into 9/11 is a damn shame.

Thats not what you said the first time.

[StevenOtero]

I don't debate with 9/11 truthers.Just proves that you are scared of the facts bud.

[Viper]

We should've started another thread on personal colloquisms, again.

I think McCain has said, My friend, about six times in that last question on SS and medicare.

I hate that my friend thing he does...:mad:

[Bizwah]

300 million americans,and these two clowns is the best we can come up with?

Pretty sad.

It seems like our best and brightest don't want to take the job.

[WoodysGirl]

Uhmmm this thread is about the presidential debate. Can we keep it there? :cool:

[Thanos68]

I tell you what.. I'm recording this.. I'll go back later and type out the answers to the first question because you seem to have remembered a little of what Obama said and nothing of McCain and I'd hate for you to not know the whole answer from BOTH of them. And I still don't see where Obama said HOW it was going to be done, only vague list of things.. How is he going to lower the taxes, how is he going to fix the deregulation, etc

You do realize that he only has about 90 seconds to reply. I don't think he can answer all that in one fell swoop. But I am sure you can buy the book when it comes out.

[MetalHead]

Just proves that you are scared of the facts bud.

Facts are proven realities.
Conspiracies are just figments of the imagination of those desperate to be right once in their lives.

[Thanos68]

Mac is taking it to Obama on the tax issue. You can't deny that Obama is fluff and nothing more.

WOW ...Just WOW.. Talk about Fluff...McCain is nothing but fluffanutter.

[WoodysGirl]

Obama still needs to work on looking at the audience when talking. I realize he looks down to gather his thoughts, but its not good to take his eyes off the audience.

They both should work on not turning their back on the audience when going back to their seats.

[CowboyPrincess]

Neither one is good at taking direction.. How many times do they have to be told to stick to the time.. geez

And Obama sounded like a child with is response to Tom with the "I'm just trying to keep up with McCain"

I don't think either of them have answered a question fully that has been put to them

like WG said... fluff

[MetalHead]

This is really a political pillow fight.
They'll play patty cakes after the debate.

[CowboyPrincess]

You do realize that he only has about 90 seconds to reply. I don't think he can answer all that in one fell swoop. But I am sure you can buy the book when it comes out.

He hasn't kept any of his answers within the time so why can't he give more detail? Detail on at least one is better than none

[DaBoys4Life]

Mccain makes me laugh.

[CowboyPrincess]

Children are cheap to insure??? What planet is he living on. I guarantee you that insuring my children wasn't "cheap"

A fine???

Obama lost me on that one...

[Thanos68]

Children are cheap to insure??? What planet is he living on. I guarantee you that insuring my children wasn't "cheap"

A fine???

Obama lost me on that one...

Not surprising.

[DaBoys4Life]

Is there a 3rd party I can vote for???

[StevenOtero]

Is there a 3rd party I can vote for???Yes, you can also write in someone.

[CowboyPrincess]

McCain wasn't the only cheerleader for the President on the war... So was Hillary, Eddie and a lot of other dems and reps

[zrinkill]

Is there a 3rd party I can vote for???

Not a viable one.

Unfortunately.

[MetalHead]

Yes he does. I keep waiting for him to just keel over, which might not be all bad. :laugh2:

That and other posts are the reason why you have the credibility of Barney Frank.

[Nomad]

Totally pointless and non-substantive, but they probably should have given McCain a shorter chair/stool so he wouldn't have to sit so awkwardly.

[DaBoys4Life]

Obama.......

[zrinkill]

What about the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Iraq by Saddam ?

Did Obama just ignore that?

[CowboyPrincess]

That and other posts are the reason why you have the credibility of Barney Frank.

Now THAT was funny :laugh2:

[CowboyPrincess]

What about the genocide and ethnic cleansing in Iraq by Saddam ?

Did Obama just ignore that?

McCain didn't forget it

[Aikbach]

Did Obama really have the audacity to say we have a moral imperative to stop genocide throughout the world? Why then does he promote abortion? me see's a glaring problem with his position.

[WoodysGirl]

Children are cheap to insure??? What planet is he living on. I guarantee you that insuring my children wasn't "cheap"

A fine???

Obama lost me on that one...
Yeah, I heard that and got a chuckle. I don't have children, but I have a bunch of friends who do. Crazy expensive..

[zrinkill]

Did Obama really have the audacity to say we have a moral imperative to stop genocide throughout the world? Why then does he promote abortion? me see's a glaring problem with his position.

Good to see your still safe.

[CowboyPrincess]

On the subject of war.. McCain hands down... Bad subject for Obama.

McCain has a lifetime of military experience and Obama looked to me like he was lost on that subject

[DaBoys4Life]

why is Obama always talking out of turn.....

[CowboyPrincess]

bomb bomb bomb iran.. LOL

[MetalHead]

I thought no follow ups were allowed.

[Achozen]

bomb, bomb, bomb...

[Thanos68]

Did Obama really have the audacity to say we have a moral imperative to stop genocide throughout the world? Why then does he promote abortion? me see's a glaring problem with his position.

What the hell does committing genocide have to do with abortion. :bang2:

[DaBoys4Life]

bomb bomb bomb iran.. LOL

:muttley:

[Aikbach]

Good to see your still safe.Not at war just yet, will be soon enough.

[MetalHead]

What the hell does committing genocide have to do with abortion. :bang2:

Abortion is killing,so is genocide.

[zrinkill]

What the hell does committing genocide have to do with abortion. :bang2:

Not surprised that you do not understand.

[MetalHead]

Not at war just yet, will be soon enough.

Godspeed Butterbar.
:)

[CowboyPrincess]

McCain just slapped Obama on the response to the response on the response

with his reminding Obama that he personally knows what it takes to send men to war and the personal knowledge of strategy of war through experience of being in war

[DaBoys4Life]

What the hell does committing genocide have to do with abortion. :bang2:

........

[DaBoys4Life]

Obama keep stuttering

[CowboyPrincess]

Obama keep stuttering

good.. I'm not the only one that noticed he was stuttering and stepping on his words

[Achozen]

Obama keep stuttering
I know.

He must hate America.

[CowboyPrincess]

Nice personal touch with McCain thanking and patting that man on the back for his service in the military and shaking hands...

[DaBoys4Life]

Mccain got some swag.

[DaBoys4Life]

I know.

He must hate America.

You say Obama I say Osama :muttley:

[CowboyPrincess]

Very nice closing remark from McCain



I don't know what to thing of Obama saying that if he doesn't know something he asks his wife and she tells him ... reminded me of the bill/hillary - who is really running the country thing

[trickblue]

Didn't Obama say his wife was in New Hampshire?

[DaBoys4Life]

who to vote for who to vote for.....figures my first time voting everything is so crappy......o well......

[CowboyPrincess]

Didn't Obama say his wife was in New Hampshire?

I thought he did too but she was there in the audience. they showed her several times

[zrinkill]

Horrible debate.

Both guys seemed boring and uninterested in this election.

Both have the personality of dead men.

[CowboyPrincess]

wasn't a very good debate, but I think McCain won this one

Obama looked uncomfortable, stumbled, stuttered and got defensive several times and wanted to change the debate rules so he could respond to a response that he knew he got clobbered in

[adamc91115]

The dentist appointment I had today was more exciting than this debate...

Townhall format is supposed to be spontaneous with new and different questions. This was nothing more than a conventional debate masquerading as a townhall debate.

[MetalHead]

Horrible debate.

Both guys seemed boring and uninterested in this election.

Both have the personality of dead men.

Two cigar store indians going at it.

[CowboyPrincess]

The dentist appointment I had today was more exciting than this debate...

Townhall format is supposed to be spontaneous with new and different questions. This was nothing more than a conventional debate masquerading as a townhall debate.


I was kinda put off with Brokow being the one to pick the questions.

[Rowdy]

Obama still needs to work on looking at the audience when talking. I realize he looks down to gather his thoughts, but its not good to take his eyes off the audience.

They both should work on not turning their back on the audience when going back to their seats.

So should they have moonwalked back?

[Rowdy]

Two cigar store indians going at it.

lol :o:

[vta]

Horrible debate.

Both guys seemed boring and uninterested in this election.

Both have the personality of dead men.

Two cigar store indians going at it.

:lmao2:

I missed a lot of it and can't really comment on it, except that from what I did see, it was full of the same old, same old: not directly answering the question!

Heapum proud to be next President.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/1/1d/180px-Cigar_store_indian.jpg

[vta]

So should they have moonwalked back?

:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Rowdy]

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7564/img5676tv6.jpg

[Rowdy]

Sorry it was a lousy job but I was in a hurry.

[Hoofbite]

Didn't get to watch it haven't read a thing about it in this thread or online elsewhere.

With that said, I bet both sides think they won.

[Danny White]

I didn't watch the debate, but I read already that McCain propsed a new $300 billion program for the government to buy up mortgages from people who can't pay for them.

Is that true... did he really propose that?

[Rowdy]

I would also bet that this doesn't swing too many voters one way or the other either. Some will flip a coin and others will toss a dart to see who to pick.

[Angus]

I thought Obama won. He was more articulate and smooth. McCain seemed lodged in the past instead of the future and he should have been on fire; instead he was almost languid.

Too bad.

I wish Sarah Palin had taken his place. She would have had Obama quaking as if staring at the muzzle of a moose gun.

:eek:

[Nomad]

With that said, I bet both sides think they won.

It's expected, but that's what I've seen pretty much everywhere, it's funny sometimes.

[Sasquatch]

McCain basically gave a bunch of rhetoric and then actually said that you have to fix home prices. So all he really said that he would do was fix home prices. The rest was just BS about the problem.

i.e. major increase in government spending.

[adamc91115]

One thing I will say thats getting very old is "George Bush's policy" and "The last 8 years".

"Over the last 8 years... I've stubbed my toe 12 times. Thats unacceptable".
"Because of George Bush's policies, my dog died last year. We cannot continue these policies".

[Thanos68]

Not surprised that you do not understand.

So I guess it is odd to be for abortion but be against the annihilation of an ENTIRE race???? Yeah, I mean those two are directly related. :bang2:

[MetalHead]

I didn't watch the debate, but I read already that McCain propsed a new $300 billion program for the government to buy up mortgages from people who can't pay for them.

Is that true... did he really propose that?

He did.
I plan on defaulting starting next month and keep my cash and my house.
Why pay?
He also mentioned greed and corruption in Wall St. and Washington.
He did not say a word about indictments and prosecution.
Where's the deterrent Senators???

[MetalHead]

It's expected, but that's what I've seen pretty much everywhere, it's funny sometimes.

America lost.

[Thanos68]

One thing I will say thats getting very old is "George Bush's policy" and "The last 8 years".

"Over the last 8 years... I've stubbed my toe 12 times. Thats unacceptable".
"Because of George Bush's policies, my dog died last year. We cannot continue these policies".

Point is ..republican policies have sucked for the past 8 years. Time for a change.

[Big Dakota]

America lost.



Are you a citizen?

[MetalHead]

Are you a citizen?

Did the lobotomy hurt?

[Big Dakota]

Did the lobotomy hurt?

Answer the question.

[BlueStar22]

One thing I will say thats getting very old is "George Bush's policy" and "The last 8 years".

"Over the last 8 years... I've stubbed my toe 12 times. Thats unacceptable".
"Because of George Bush's policies, my dog died last year. We cannot continue these policies".

and i'm tired of hearing about Ronald Freaking Reagan and him referring to me as his friend. I'm not his friend. I'm surprised he went one appearance without him referring to his POW experieince.

[Natedawg44]

McCain wants to buy your house.
Obama wants to give everyone free healthcare.

Sounds about right for a country broke as hell.

[Rack Bauer]

and i'm tired of hearing about Ronald Freaking Reagan and him referring to me as his friend. I'm not his friend. I'm surprised he went one appearance without him referring to his POW experieince.

At least he has some kind of experience.

WHich is more than I can say for NObama.

[MetalHead]

Answer the question.

And who are you to be demanding answers around here?

[Big Dakota]

And who are you to be demanding answers around here?


I guess you need Sarah to go to the mat for you. Did both you and john get your balls blow off in NAM?:laugh2:

[ConcordCowboy]

Nice win Obama!

McCain you got a huge uphill battle.

:laugh2:

[Heisenberg]

The telephone based polling is saying Obama won again. That's pretty much what I saw. The first debate, when the polling said Obama won, I was surprised. This time? No.

McCain:

His best moments come when he's talking about soldiers or to former military. That's when he seems most genuine.

On the economy? I think he did alright. He basically never talks about the middle class. He always works his way back to pork barrell spending, which is important, I'm not saying it isn't, but in the grand scheme of things, that's really really small potatos by dollar standards. And what is with that extra bailout that he's proposing? I mean, the Obama campaign is for renegotiating these mortgages, but to add another 300 billion dollars buying up bad mortgages to the already 700 billion dollars in the first bailout? Seems a bit like overkill.

Demeanor wise, he was attempting to attack all night and I think he got some decent punches in, but I think he really hurt himself when he referred to Obama as "that one". I immediately noticed it and mentioned it to my fiance who had the same reaction. It was very dismissive and showed a lack of respect. I mean really, how difficult is it to just be respectful to your opponent?

This brings me back to the fact that his campaign is slinging mud and he won't even say it to Obama's face. At least be a man about it. If you're going to tear someone's character down, by all means, do it to his face. Don't hide when you're on the same stage with him. I'm no Hillary Clinton fan, but she at least didn't hide when the debates came around and DID go after Obama's associations during the final debate.

Obama:

I think Obama connects best when he's talking about the economy and the middle class.

I think Obama's health care answer of it being a right, which McCain said it was a responsiblity (he didn't mention who's responsibility it is), was a good moment. His health care plan is also much more fleshed out or at least expressed in much more fleshed out terms, at least to me.

I think Obama was flying high during the economic portion, but got bogged down in the Iraq mess again. It feels like a dead horse to me. Both candidates start arguing about the surge vs the judgement of going in in the first place. It's water under the bride. I'm somewhat tired of hearing about it in debates at the moment.

[Heisenberg]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/07/thatonesk9_2.jpg

I guess I wasn't the only one that noticed it.

[ChldsPlay]

I wouldn't show Obama respect either, he doesn't deserve any. He's a crazy loon who is trying to destroy the economy and get more power. He has no business being there, or even being in Congress. The voting public need to remove his ilk from Washington forever.

[ZB9]

best part imo was when McCain was talking about the legislation he co-sponsored two years ago warning that regulation was needed for Fannie Mae that they tried to get passed (but were blocked by Dems) and that Obama was not anywhere to be found on the legislation.

the next best part was when McCain mentioned the fact that financially Obama was the second largest benefactor from Fannie and Freddie in all of congress.

[Heisenberg]

I wouldn't show Obama respect either, he doesn't deserve any. He's a crazy loon who is trying to destroy the economy and get more power. He has no business being there, or even being in Congress. The voting public need to remove his ilk from Washington forever.

Yes, because showing respect to someone has to be based on their political leanings? I see.

[Big Dakota]

I wouldn't show Obama respect either, he doesn't deserve any. He's a crazy loon who is trying to destroy the economy and get more power. He has no business being there, or even being in Congress. The voting public need to remove his ilk from Washington forever.


Go play with your transformers:laugh2:

[irvin88]

Yes, because showing respect to someone has to be based on their political leanings? I see.

No, because Obama is a gutter politician who associates himself with radical people.

[VietCowboy]

No, because Obama is a gutter politician who associates himself with radical people.

I wonder who David Ifshin is. hm.....hm.........hm............

[StevenOtero]

And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world.

God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name."

Martin Luther King, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

Very chilling eh?

[ZB9]

And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world.

God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name."

Martin Luther King, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U

Very chilling eh?

there is no comparison between Vietnam and the wars in the Middle East.

For one, an attack on our homeland did not lead to the war in Vietnam

[StevenOtero]

there is no comparison between Vietnam and the wars in the Middle East.

For one, an attack on our homeland did not lead to the war in Vietnam9/11 = False Flag Op
Gulf of Tonkin = False Flag Op (Hell never even happened) check it out seriously. it has been admitted to be staged

[Beast_from_East]

No, because Obama is a gutter politician who associates himself with radical people.

If that is the case, why didnt your boy McCain mentioned it during the debate that 50 million voters were watching??

Instead, he said JACK!!!

[Beast_from_East]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/07/thatonesk9_2.jpg

I guess I wasn't the only one that noticed it.

MAJOR BLUNDER ON McCAIN'S PART.

I received several emails from some of my African American friends and they were livid at that comment.

I dont think this is going to play real well with the 50 million voters that were watching.

They were talking about on both CNN and MSNBC, I dont think we have heard the end of this.

MAJOR BLUNDER.

[NinePointOh]

Virtually every contributor to Fox News (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/debatewrap2_1007/) says Obama won the debate or that McCain didn't deliver what he needed to deliver. I don't see a single one claiming an overall victory for McCain. Must be a liberal trash rag.

[burmafrd]

The media would say Obama won no matter what.

Otero, do some research on the Gulf of Tonkin incident. It was not staged- or you just go to sites like the Kaily Kos.

[Beast_from_East]

The media would say Obama won no matter what.

Otero, do some research on the Gulf of Tonkin incident. It was not staged- or you just go to sites like the Kaily Kos.

Most of the media leans Democrat, I will agree with you on that.

[NinePointOh]

The media would say Obama won no matter what.

Most of the media leans Democrat, I will agree with you on that.

Can I just repeat that this was Fox News? Are you guys seriously arguing that Fox News leans Democrat and would say Obama won no matter what?

I'd always figured if there was anyone out there who thought Fox News leaned too far left, that person would be living in a shack somewhere in the mountains building up an arsenal to combat the evils of modern technology, and thus wouldn't have access to cable television or internet anyway.

[Wheat]

Personally, I thought McCain needed a bigger night and he didn't deliver.

He had a few weird moments. The "That One". No handshake....and then he couldn't get out of there fast enough. I thought Town Halls were his thing. I'm thinking he meant that Solo Town Halls were his thing.

Video of Obama staying after and chatting with the audience while McCain was long gone just was very interesting.

Obama didn't win. He didn't say anything great. But.....he didn't lose.

McCain lost last night.

[Beast_from_East]

Can I just repeat that this was Fox News? Are you guys seriously arguing that Fox News leans Democrat and would say Obama won no matter what?

I'd always figured if there was anyone out there who thought Fox News leaned too far left, that person would be living in a shack somewhere in the mountains building up an arsenal to combat the evils of modern technology, and thus wouldn't have access to cable television or internet anyway.

I stand corrected, I really dont even consider FOX a real network after Scott McCluen said he feed talking points to them. I was talking about the other networks in my remarks.

The Luntz focus group on FOX said Obama won.

Dam, when FOX says Obama won the debate you know McCain sucked bad!!!

[ConcordCowboy]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/07/thatonesk9_2.jpg

I guess I wasn't the only one that noticed it.

:laugh2:

That didn't take long.

[Viper]

You say Obama I say Osama :muttley:

that was funny:bow:

[Rowdy]

Personally, I thought McCain needed a bigger night and he didn't deliver.

He had a few weird moments. The "That One". No handshake....and then he couldn't get out of there fast enough. I thought Town Halls were his thing. I'm thinking he meant that Solo Town Halls were his thing.

Video of Obama staying after and chatting with the audience while McCain was long gone just was very interesting.

Obama didn't win. He didn't say anything great. But.....he didn't lose.

McCain lost last night.

What are you talking about? McCain was there for awhile afterwards and just because Obama stuck around longer doesn't dictate that he didn't stick around long enough. So if McCain didn't offer a handshake, then what about Obama's? Did he stick his hand out and McCain slap it away?

[BrAinPaiNt]

What are you talking about? McCain was there for awhile afterwards and just because Obama stuck around longer doesn't dictate that he didn't stick around long enough. So if McCain didn't offer a handshake, then what about Obama's? Did he stick his hand out and McCain slap it away?

Actually McCain and his wife were not there for a while afterwards.

If memory servers they left about 10:34 or 10:44 while Obama stayed over much longer. So it appears they left anywhere from 10-15 minutes after the debate and when I was switching channels they were still showing Obama and his wife there at 11:00 or so.

[Heisenberg]

The handshake thing isn't that big of a deal. They shook hands immediately after the debate. It was just a weird moment. McCain tapped him on the shoulder and Obama extended his hand and McCain pointed at his wife instead of shaking and then Obama shook Cindy McCain's hand instead.

I don't think there was much to it. The "that one" reference though, well, that was just low class.

[Maikeru-sama]

I thought McCain did a better job of communicating his views on Foreign Policy, although I thought both needed to tone down the rhetoric on Russia.

At first, I thought John McCain did a better job of pointing to very specific examples (ie voting records, specific examples of pork bills Obama voted for etc etc), but towards the end, Barack Obama eventually pointed to specifics as well.

But overall, I thought John McCain came off very agitated, looked uncomfortable walking around the room and had some strange moments such as telling Tom Brokaw that he wouldn't be a nominee for Treasury Sec., condescendingly assuming the guy in the audience that asked a question hadn't heard of Fannie/Freddie before this crisis, stepping in front of the camera at the end of the debate and in the following clip (McCain refuses to shake Obama's hand) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak) showing outright disdain for Barack Obama by not refusing to shake his hand, instead directing him to his wife. I like some of John McCain's views about the world at large, but this guy's temperment makes me nervous as a mofo.

Barack Obama seemed to totally lose his train of thought when trying to make a point at times and you could tell he wasn't as knowledgable about the world than John McCain. Also, another annoying thing about Barack Obama is that he doesn't seem to get into specifics.

Also, since John McCain and The Baracuda has been making a such a strong case that Barack Obama is a terrorists, anti-american and a muslim, I thought John McCain was kind of a coward not to at least mention this in at least one of his rebuttals. If McCain truely thinks this guy is all the aforementioned and dangerous, he should have the balls to do the dirty work himself and tell Americans on national tv about it. But I suspect John McCain doesn't even belive those things and that is why he has Sarah Palin doing the dirty work for him.

[Maikeru-sama]

The handshake thing isn't that big of a deal. They shook hands immediately after the debate. It was just a weird moment. McCain tapped him on the shoulder and Obama extended his hand and McCain pointed at his wife instead of shaking and then Obama shook Cindy McCain's hand instead.

I don't think there was much to it. The "that one" reference though, well, that was just low class.

I agree and don't think it was racists at all, like some were trying to claim. He is probably use to referring to Barack Obama that way while doing speeches on the road and carried that habit into the debate.

[DaBoys4Life]

I thought McCain did a better job of communicating his views on Foreign Policy, although I thought both needed to tone down the rhetoric on Russia.

At first, I thought John McCain did a better job of pointing to very specific examples (ie voting records, specific examples of pork bills Obama voted for etc etc), but towards the end, Barack Obama eventually pointed to specifics as well.

But overall, I thought John McCain came off very agitated, looked uncomfortable walking around the room and had some strange moments such as telling Tom Brokaw that he wouldn't be a nominee for Treasury Sec., condescendingly assuming the guy in the audience that asked a question hadn't heard of Fannie/Freddie before this crisis, stepping in front of the camera at the end of the debate and in the following clip (McCain refuses to shake Obama's hand) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak) showing outright disdain for Barack Obama by not refusing to shake his hand, instead directing him to his wife. I like some of John McCain's views about the world at large, but this guy's temperment makes me nervous as a mofo.

Barack Obama seemed to totally lose his train of thought when trying to make a point at times and you could tell he wasn't as knowledgable about the world than John McCain. Also, another annoying thing about Barack Obama is that he doesn't seem to get into specifics.

Also, since John McCain and The Baracuda has been making a such a strong case that Barack Obama is a terrorists, anti-american and a muslim, I thought John McCain was kind of a coward not to at least mention this in at least one of his rebuttals. If McCain truely thinks this guy is all the aforementioned and dangerous, he should have the balls to do the dirty work himself and tell Americans on national tv about it. But I suspect John McCain doesn't even belive those things and that is why he has Sarah Palin doing the dirty work for him.

Mccain snubbed him thats embarrassing if you Obama.

[Bach]

MAJOR BLUNDER ON McCAIN'S PART.

I received several emails from some of my African American friends and they were livid at that comment.

I dont think this is going to play real well with the 50 million voters that were watching.

They were talking about on both CNN and MSNBC, I dont think we have heard the end of this.

MAJOR BLUNDER.

Some people look to make anything racial.

[Beast_from_East]

Some people look to make anything racial.

Yea, I personally didnt think McCain was being racial, but I can see how some of my African American friends might take it that way.

I dont think McCain is a racist, he just hates Obama.

What was up with the handshake blowoff? McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder and when Obama turned around and stuck out his hand McCain pointed to Cindy that was standing beside McCain. Obama and Cindy then shook hands.

Seemed very weird watching it on TV, look like McCain blew him off. That type of stuff turns off voters, kinda like McCain not looking at Obama last debate.

[DaBoys4Life]

Yea, I personally didnt think McCain was being racial, but I can see how some of my African American friends might take it that way.

I dont think McCain is a racist, he just hates Obama.

What was up with the handshake blowoff? McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder and when Obama turned around and stuck out his hand McCain pointed to Cindy that was standing beside McCain. Obama and Cindy then shook hands.

Seemed very weird watching it on TV, look like McCain blew him off. That type of stuff turns off voters, kinda like McCain not looking at Obama last debate.

I hate that term so much it's not even funny.....I don't understand how I'm born in America same with my parents and my parents parents and so on however I still get tagged African American......I think that term is silly......I'd much rather be considered American why do we need to differentiate between white and black Americans? We don't call white Americans European American.....[/end rant]

[Rowdy]

I hate that term so much it's not even funny.....I don't understand how I'm born in America same with my parents and my parents parents and so on however I still get tagged African American......I think that term is silly......I'd much rather be considered American why do we need to differentiate between white and black Americans? We don't call white Americans European American.....[/end rant]



:hammer:

[WoodysGirl]

I hate that term so much it's not even funny.....I don't understand how I'm born in America same with my parents and my parents parents and so on however I still get tagged African American......I think that term is silly......I'd much rather be considered American why do we need to differentiate between white and black Americans? We don't call white Americans European American.....[/end rant]
Not to get too technical, but African is an ethnic definition and provides a bit of knowledge of your ancestry. Being an American is about citizenship.

I'm an African-American. That's how I identify myself. How you choose to refer to yourself is up to you, but I know of no ethnicity called Black. I go back and forth when referring to black people as African-Americans, but it's more about convenience than anything else.

If white people, caucasians, would like to be referred to as European Americans, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

Back to topic, I don't think McCain was being racist about the lack of handshake, but it was definitely disrespectful. It bothers me because if you look at the larger picture, can McCain keep his composure and maintain his disdain for foreign leaders when trying to negotiate new policy.

[Thanos68]

I wouldn't show Obama respect either, he doesn't deserve any. He's a crazy loon who is trying to destroy the economy and get more power. He has no business being there, or even being in Congress. The voting public need to remove his ilk from Washington forever.

Got a link to prove any of that rhetoric? Didn't think so. But you're right everything about Obama says he is on a power trip seeking to end the world as we know it. Let me guess..you voted for bush also right? :lmao2:

[Thanos68]

Not to get too technical, but African is an ethnic definition and provides a bit of knowledge of your ancestry. Being an American is about citizenship.

I'm an African-American. That's how I identify myself. How you choose to refer to yourself is up to you, but I know of no ethnicity called Black. I go back and forth when referring to black people as African-Americans, but it's more about convenience than anything else.

If white people, caucasians, would like to be referred to as European Americans, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

Back to topic, I don't think McCain was being racist about the lack of handshake, but it was definitely disrespectful. It bothers me because if you look at the larger picture, can McCain keep his composure and maintain his disdain for foreign leaders when trying to negotiate new policy.

So white people can be called white but it's not okay to call a black person black? Puhhlease. Get over yourself. I can't stand the whole, I am not black...I am an African American...Please..Your Black..deal with it.

[Wheat]

Yea, I personally didnt think McCain was being racial, but I can see how some of my African American friends might take it that way.

I dont think McCain is a racist, he just hates Obama.

What was up with the handshake blowoff? McCain tapped Obama on the shoulder and when Obama turned around and stuck out his hand McCain pointed to Cindy that was standing beside McCain. Obama and Cindy then shook hands.

Seemed very weird watching it on TV, look like McCain blew him off. That type of stuff turns off voters, kinda like McCain not looking at Obama last debate.


I don't think he was being racist. But, it was on the mind of people after his VP choice has been firing up some interesting crowds recently.

[BrAinPaiNt]

So white people can be called white but it's not okay to call a black person black? Puhhlease. Get over yourself. I can't stand the whole, I am not black...I am an African American...Please..Your Black..deal with it.

I think you need to learn how to read and than go back and apologize for your silly statement and attitude.

[WoodysGirl]

So white people can be called white but it's not okay to call a black person black? Puhhlease. Get over yourself. I can't stand the whole, I am not black...I am an African American...Please..Your Black..deal with it.White people can be called whatever they want. I don't recall saying you can't call a black person black. And I never said I'm not black...

I said I choose to refer to myself as an African-American and I explained why. I also explained that I go back and forth with the terminology of it all. You don't agree with it...and I don't care. Deal with it.

[WoodysGirl]

I think you need to learn how to read and than go back and apologize for your silly statement and attitude.
No, he doesn't. That kinda stuff needs to be on display for all to see. He's been whizzing all over this thread with nonsensical stuff.

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, he doesn't. That kinda stuff needs to be on display for all to see. He's been whizzing all over this thread with nonsensical stuff.

Well we might not agree whether he should apologize or not...however learning how to read the post is not something he should not do because he did not read it or he would not have said what he said.

When I looked through the debate thread this morning I noticed him acting out like a kid. Dude seems to need an attitude enema.:laugh2:

[Danny White]

I think you need to learn how to read and than go back and apologize for your silly statement and attitude.

This guy has been a stain on the underpants of this forum since his first post.

I only wish the "ignore" feature worked when other people quote him as well.

[WoodysGirl]

Well we might not agree whether he should apologize or not...however learning how to read the post is not something he should not do because he did not read it or he would not have said what he said.

When I looked through the debate thread this morning I noticed him acting out like a kid. Dude seems to need an attitude enema.:laugh2:
Attitude enema or a bop upside the head. Whichever will knock some sense into him...maybe help his reading comprehension.

[DaBoys4Life]

Not to get too technical, but African is an ethnic definition and provides a bit of knowledge of your ancestry. Being an American is about citizenship.

I'm an African-American. That's how I identify myself. How you choose to refer to yourself is up to you, but I know of no ethnicity called Black. I go back and forth when referring to black people as African-Americans, but it's more about convenience than anything else.

If white people, caucasians, would like to be referred to as European Americans, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

Back to topic, I don't think McCain was being racist about the lack of handshake, but it was definitely disrespectful. It bothers me because if you look at the larger picture, can McCain keep his composure and maintain his disdain for foreign leaders when trying to negotiate new policy.


I know its about your ancestry and stuff however it's something I really have a hard to thinking about. My family is about five generations removed from being Africa and we don't know where we come from in Africa like most blacks in America however this is where I m from. This is what I relate to the most and I really don't have any ties to the country besides my ancestors. Even people that are born in Africa don't say they are African American they tend to say what country they are from. I mean you don't consider Haitian's in America African America considering the fact that their ancestry is Africa.

Not a lot of people view this the way I do and a lot of them will say actually what you said. However if you're going to classify me as African American even though I'm not from them nor is my mother or her mother and so on. Then you will have to classify someone from Haiti or Jamaica the same thing cause all black people originate from Africa.....hell everybody origins can date back to Africa if you view it that way.

Am I less black if I don't vote Obama????

[DaBoys4Life]

So white people can be called white but it's not okay to call a black person black? Puhhlease. Get over yourself. I can't stand the whole, I am not black...I am an African American...Please..Your Black..deal with it.

what country do black people come from?

[Rowdy]

what country do black people come from?

Whatever country they were born in.

[WoodysGirl]

I know its about your ancestry and stuff however it's something I really have a hard to thinking about. My family is about five generations removed from being Africa and we don't know where we come from in Africa like most blacks in America however this is where I m from. This is what I relate to the most and I really don't have any ties to the country besides my ancestors. Even people that are born in Africa don't say they are African American they tend to say what country they are from. I mean you don't consider Haitian's in America African America considering the fact that their ancestry is Africa.

Not a lot of people view this the way I do and a lot of them will say actually what you said. However if you're going to classify me as African American even though I'm not from them nor is my mother or her mother and so on. Then you will have to classify someone from Haiti or Jamaica the same thing cause all black people originate from Africa.....hell everybody origins can date back to Africa if you view it that way. Again it's totally your choice how you choose to refer to yourself. I understand why you think the way you do. There are quite a few people who think like that. You're not the first to do so.

Am I less black if I don't vote Obama????Not as far as I'm concerned. Your vote is your vote. Vote your conscience and as long as you're happy with your selection, then it's all good to me.

[DaBoys4Life]

Again it's totally your choice how you choose to refer to yourself. I understand why you think the way you do. There are quite a few people who think like that. You're not the first to do so.

Not as far as I'm concerned. Your vote is your vote. Vote your conscience and as long as you're happy with your selection, then it's all good to me.

I see I'd rather not vote to be honest not as if it would make much of a difference anyways.

[zrinkill]

So white people can be called white but it's not okay to call a black person black? Puhhlease. Get over yourself. I can't stand the whole, I am not black...I am an African American...Please..Your Black..deal with it.

You really need to shut up.

You sound ignorant.

[WoodysGirl]

I see I'd rather not vote to be honest not as if it would make much of a difference anyways.I understand that sentiment, but you should also note there are probably more elections going on in your community than just the presidential election. There are several state and local elections that I know will make a direct impact on my lifestyle, so I'm going to definitely going to vote. Once I re-find my voter's registration card. :)

[DaBoys4Life]

I understand that sentiment, but you should also note there are probably more elections going on in your community than just the presidential election. There are several state and local elections that I know will make a direct impact on my lifestyle, so I'm going to definitely going to vote. Once I re-find my voter's registration card. :)

Yeah that makes sense however IDK what goes on in that town I live in I just moved there and I didn't get the address changed on my license yet so IDK how thats going to work out......this is my first time voting also.

[trickblue]

I see I'd rather not vote to be honest not as if it would make much of a difference anyways.

I understand that sentiment, but you should also note there are probably more elections going on in your community than just the presidential election. There are several state and local elections that I know will make a direct impact on my lifestyle, so I'm going to definitely going to vote. Once I re-find my voter's registration card. :)

What she said DB4L... local elections directly impact you moreso than national elections...

Now get in there and vote...

[ThaBigP]

I'm sorry... I missed it. Did Obama answer the question about SS and Medicare? I heard him go back and talk about the tax question that he was denied a second response to

This was the worst part of the debate for both. Obama on SS = we need to look at where our revenue comes from (:confused: uh, taxpayers?). McCain on Medicare = we need to get some smart people in a room, come up with an idea, and vote on it! (:confused: )

[WoodysGirl]

Yeah that makes sense however IDK what goes on in that town I live in I just moved there and I didn't get the address changed on my license yet so IDK how thats going to work out......this is my first time voting also.
There was a deadline to register to vote. So if you haven't done that, that might be an issue.

However, if you want to know what elections are going on in your community, I think you should go to your local county building to the county clerk's office and see if they can help you get your voting issues taken care of. You can also check to see if they have a website. I know my local county clerk has a website with a link to a really good informational website on the election process for my county.

[DaBoys4Life]

There was a deadline to register to vote. So if you haven't done that, that might be an issue.

However, if you want to know what elections are going on in your community, I think you should go to your local county building to the county clerk's office and see if they can help you get your voting issues taken care of. You can also check to see if they have a website. I know my local county clerk has a website with a link to a really good informational website on the election process for my county.

I registered to vote but thats about it I guess I will have to check that out even though I don't know anything about the town I live in. I'll google something I guess thanks for the help.

[WoodysGirl]

I registered to vote but thats about it I guess I will have to check that out even though I don't know anything about the town I live in. I'll google something I guess thanks for the help.
Anytime.

Also check your local media outlets websites, too. I'm sure they have Election pages on them. They may have a list of all the elections going on with information about the candidates.

Good luck and don't sit out the process.