Obama's new buddy. Muslim extremist Odinga.

[JBond]

Obama sure surrounds himself with a lot of losers. I'm sure the apologists will be out in force.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291

Sendoff to Corsi: 'See you in hell'
'Obama Nation' author departs Kenya after detention, foiled news conference

Posted: October 08, 2008
7:36 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/misc/corsi.jpg
WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi
NAIROBI, Kenya – WND senior staff reporter Jerome Corsi yesterday was refused permission to hold a scheduled news conference about his investigation into Barack Obama's Kenyan links by Kenyan immigration officials and soldiers armed with automatic weapons who then took him to his departure and made it clear he was not welcome to return.

"Don't ever come back. See you in hell," Corsi reported an unidentified official told him as the author of the No. 1 best-selling book "The Obama Nation" (http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2393)was delivered to a flight departing from Nairobi for London.

Corsi is now in London, where he will file a WND story on his discoveries in Kenya and recount yesterday's ordeal in radio and TV interviews, including the Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77372).

Late yesterday, Corsi was able to communicate surreptitiously with WND in Kenya after being held incommunicado by immigration officials who at one point claimed his was being held because of a paperwork mixup.
He was just getting ready for a 10 a.m. (3 a.m. EDT) news conference to announce the results of his investigation into connections inside Kenya when immigration officials detained him along with Tim Bueler, his publicist.

Corsi made a quick contact with WND founder and editor Joseph Farah, but then Kenyan authorities, armed with automatic weapons, confiscated his passport and cell phone and held him as if he were suspected of a crime.

Corsi documented the ordeal and dispatched a report to WND from his telephone later in the brief period between the time authorities returned his belongings in preparation for his departure and when the British Airways jet took off.

"We were detained and lied to all day," Corsi wrote. "The immigration officer at the hotel 15 minutes before the press conference this morning said we only needed to come to the immigration headquarters downtown for a few minutes and that we would be back to the hotel for the press conference with only a few minutes delay."

That, however, was not to be the case, as Corsi and Bueler would find out soon after they left their hotel.

"We got brought to immigration headquarters by what turned out to be about a dozen immigration officers plus military armed with automatic rifles," he reported. "Tim got placed in the back of the vehicle and was surrounded by the armed military. I was in the front between the driver and the top immigration officer who first identified himself at the hotel."
Kenyan authorities took their cell phones and passports, even while explaining the Americans were "not under arrest."

Hours later, two lawyers appeared before the author and his publicist, although they had not been requested.

"About 1:30, the chief immigration officer demanded we accompany him immediately to the airport – we were told immigration needed to verify our air tickets, which always were for this flight tonight," Corsi wrote. "The tickets were always e-tickets and could easily be validated by computer from anywhere."

But Kenyan immigration officials then explained the men's entry cards had been "lost" and that Corsi and Bueler had to be at the airport to help investigate what happened.

In addition to being held incommunicado, the two also were held without food.

"We were offered no food until Tim began feeling a problem with his blood sugar, then around 2:30 p.m. the head immigration people allowed one of the immigration officials to accompany us so we could have 'no more than 15 minutes' to buy something to eat,'" Corsi wrote.

Eventually, they were taken from the holding facility to the airport.
"We were led out of headquarters by [the] back stairs and elevators, to avoid the press that had followed us to headquarters and was still waiting for interviews," Corsi reported.

"We went to the airport via armed caravan," Corsi added, and on arrival the two Americans were told to go into a "holding cell" already containing other possible deportees.

"We refused, demanding to know if we were being charged with any offenses, where our lawyers had gone, and why we had to be locked up, when all day we had been lied to and told we would be released 'soon,'" Corsi reported.
The instructions to go into the holding cell were repeated several times, always without success, he said.

Late in the afternoon the two were told they would be allowed to board the British Airways flights to London and "that we had committed no offenses and were not being deported," said Corsi.
But authorities still kept the cell phones and passports.
"About 6 p.m. our lawyer arrived with our luggage which we had not been allowed to go get or pack," Corsi wrote. "We had no place or opportunity to consult with the lawyer, who was asked to leave once we got our bags."

A brief meeting with Richard Nicholson, the vice consul in the U.S. embassy followed.

"He, too, confirmed we had done nothing wrong and were not being deported," Corsi wrote.

It was shortly after that, when authorities returned Corsi's cell phone, that he was able to provide this report as the British Airways flight prepared for departure for London.

Peter Mbae, a Kenyan publicist who arranged the news conference, told WND he contacted the Ministry of Immigration and was told the Americans were being held but would be let go eventually.

It was just one of the stories released during the day. One official with the Embassy of Kenya in Washington said he was unaware of Corsi's detention. When WND reached the embassy later, a receptionist confirmed the official word was that Corsi was not detained.

"He's enjoying his holiday in Kenya," she said.
The management of the hotel where Corsi was scheduled to hold the press conference backed away from its previous commitment, too.

In a press release, the hotel said: "We would like to assure our business partners and the public at large that Laico Regency Hotel is a law-abiding institution and does not condone any smear campaigns. The management cannot allow such activities to take place."

Corsi was in Kenya because Obama has a history of connections there, and the African nation is where his father worked as a well-known government economist. Corsi documented this history in his book but scheduled the trip to find answers to lingering questions – particularly about the links between the presidential candidate and Kenya Prime Minister Raila Odinga.

Corsi had promised a news conference that would "expose details of deep secret ties between U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a section of Kenya government leaders, their connection to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plot to be executed in Kenya should Senator Obama win the American presidency."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/obamaodinga.jpg
Sen. Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291#) with Raila Odinga
Corsi was set to show Obama and Odinga have been in direct contact since the senator's visit to Kenya in 2006. He was to claim Obama advised Odinga on campaign strategy and helped him raise money in the U.S. for the Kenya Presidential campain.

Corsi was to report Odinga's 2007 presidential campaign strategy called for exploiting anti-Kikuyu tribal sentiments, claiming victory and charging voter fraud even if the campaign knew the election had been legitimately lost. Odinga, Corsi said, also was willing to fan the flames of ethnic tribal tensions and use violence as a last resort by calling for mass action that led to the destruction of properties, injuries, loss of life and the displacement of over 500,000 Kenyans. The purpose was to compel the Electoral Commission of Kenya to declare him the winner or enable him to declare himself the winner by force.

Even though Odinga has not fulfilled his campaign promises to the Muslims who voted for him, he continues to cause concern among Kenyans because he has not declared his position on Shariah law, Corsi said.

Corsi said Obama remained in active phone contact with Odinga through the New Hampshire Democratic Party primary in January. The Illinois senator continued to support Odinga, he said, turning a blind eye to an agreement signed with Muslims and the post-election violence instigated as part of the campaign strategy.

[Angus]

Well. let's see a little proof . . . if it hasn't been confiscated.

:)

[CanadianCowboysFan]

you guys are really grasping at straws now

face it, the old man is going down, nothing short of an attack on the US can stop it now

[BigWillie]

WorldNetDaily?

You may as well have someone linked something incriminating from the DailyKos and pass it off as of substance. Geez.

[JBond]

you guys are really grasping at straws now

face it, the old man is going down, nothing short of an attack on the US can stop it now

We shall see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7656546.stm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95484240&ft=1&f=1003

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LQG700&show_article=1

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/kenya_deports_denville_author.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081008/wl_csm/obamanation

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct07/0,4670,AFKenyaObamaAuthorDetained,00.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9q4XKLmsES3YF1qFkXdr3CW-2RwD93LQG700

CanadianCowboysFan, why the heck are you so involved with U.S. politics? I wonder?

[Maikeru-sama]

CanadianCowboysFan, why the heck are you so involved with U.S. politics? I wonder?

So he can root for the Dallas Cowboys, an American Team but he can't voice his opinion about American Politics?

Seems odd.

[Maikeru-sama]

WorldNetDaily?

You may as well have someone linked something incriminating from the DailyKos and pass it off as of substance. Geez.

:laugh2:

[trickblue]

Look guys... I am the last person on this board that subscribes to conspiracy theories... (shout out to Ben)...

I think both candidates are classic dolts and clinical egomaniacs. Neither are qualified to lead this country, but then again... our congress may be worse...

That being said, and Batboy not in the realm, I think this may have some legs...

Do I have proof? No... but I did stay at Holiday Inn Express last night...

[Heisenberg]

Corsi? You mean the guy that wrote Obama Nation? The book that is basically one lie right after another?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html

[Heisenberg]

And yes, if you read that Fact Check article, he's a truther. Good times.

[Maikeru-sama]

Look guys... I am the last person on this board that subscribes to conspiracy theories... (shout out to Ben)...

I think both candidates are classic dolts and clinical egomaniacs. Neither are qualified to lead this country, but then again... our congress may be worse...

That being said, and Batboy not in the realm, I think this may have some legs...

Do I have proof? No... but I did stay at Holiday Inn Express last night...

This is my last question for tonight.

Just out of curiousity, if Barack Obama is elected president, do you think he will do his best to ruin America because he is anti-america and a muslim?

Also, if the answer is yes, what type of sign will we see during his presidency that would reveal that this is what he is doing?

Also, you all do realize that we have had Presidents before with some extremely questionable pasts and American is still fine.

[trickblue]

This is my last question for tonight.

Just out of curiousity, if Barack Obama is elected president, do you think he will do his best to ruin America because he is anti-america and a muslim?

Also, if the answer is yes, what type of sign will we see during his presidency that would reveal that this is what he is doing?

Also, you all do realize that we have had Presidents before with some extremely questionable pasts and American is still fine.

Oh gosh, Mike... do you think I think this way?

I think he will CERTAINLY take America in the direction he thinks is best...

I don't agree with his philosophy, but that is just me...

Did you see something I posted in the past that that made me anti-muslim?

I am a Christian but I certainly recognize other religions...

I defintely want my presidential candidate to answer some basic questions... no matter their religious persuasion...

My comment in this thread pertained to this having some ties...

[CanadianCowboysFan]

We shall see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7656546.stm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95484240&ft=1&f=1003

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LQG700&show_article=1

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/kenya_deports_denville_author.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081008/wl_csm/obamanation

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct07/0,4670,AFKenyaObamaAuthorDetained,00.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9q4XKLmsES3YF1qFkXdr3CW-2RwD93LQG700

CanadianCowboysFan, why the heck are you so involved with U.S. politics? I wonder?

well given the way your economic policies have just sewered the rest of the world, including my retirement fund, sent my dollar down the toilet so my next trip to Disneyland will cost more etc, seems to me decisions made in Washington affect me in the pocketbook so I feel free to comment.

[Beast_from_East]

Factcheck.org basically debunked that whole "Obama Nation" crap.

The Dow dropped another 200 points today and you McCain guys think anybody gives a crap about some guy getting roughed up in Kenya???

Good luck trying to get any network other than FOX to air this crap.

[SuspectCorner]

Corsi - the third Grimm brother.

[Maikeru-sama]

Oh gosh, Mike... do you think I think this way?

I think he will CERTAINLY take America in the direction he thinks is best...

I don't agree with his philosophy, but that is just me...

Did you see something I posted in the past that that made me anti-muslim?

I am a Christian but I certainly recognize other religions...

I defintely want my presidential candidate to answer some basic questions... no matter their religious persuasion...

My comment in this thread pertained to this having some ties...

No, I didn't see anything in your post and should not have quoted you specifically.

The question should have been directed to everyone in general who seems skeptical of Barack Obama's past.

However, I still would like someone who believes there is some truth about Obama's dark past (or present). Do you think he will purposely try to destroy America if he is president?

[JBond]

Many here seem blinded by their worship of Obama. Rush had it right yesterday when he said the one thing that Bin Ladden and Obama have in common is they both have friends that bombed the pentagon.

I expected nothing less from the socialists on this board.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/obamaodinga.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

Many here seem blinded by their worship of Obama. Rush had it right yesterday when he said the one thing that Bin Ladden and Obama have in common is they both have friends that bombed the pentagon.

I expected nothing less from the socialists on this board.

You are taking advice from a Pill Popper addict.

And you are reading stuff from a Truther and anti-semite who wrote a book that has since been debunked in many areas.

And you got the nerve to question how others think or if they are blind?

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[JBond]

well given the way your economic policies have just sewered the rest of the world, including my retirement fund, sent my dollar down the toilet so my next trip to Disneyland will cost more etc, seems to me decisions made in Washington affect me in the pocketbook so I feel free to comment.

I am so sorry you are having a rough year. Guess you should have made better decisions. Weak people always blame others for their own problems. Don't worry Obama will fix everything.

Canada who relies on the US for it's existence should want a strong America, not a socialist shell of it's former self. When the American economy grinds to a halt under the socialist agenda of Obama, the rest of the world will fall also. Starting with Canada. You better make that trip to Disney soon.

[JBond]

You are taking advice from a Pill Popper addict.

And you are reading stuff from a Truther and anti-semite who wrote a book that has since been debunked in many areas.

And you got the nerve to question how others think or if they are blind?

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/obamaodinga.jpg
Sen. Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291#) with Raila Odinga

Who is in this picture?

[bootsy]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/obamaodinga.jpg
Sen. Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291#) with Raila Odinga

Who is in this picture?
And your point?

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images/obamaodinga.jpg
Sen. Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77291#) with Raila Odinga

Who is in this picture?

I guess a picture together means they are working buddies...in that case...

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0506/mccainandnamImage1.jpg

http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files//2008/09/mccainhat.jpg

[canters]

Even if there is a connection of sorts, I doubt the aveage American knows enough about the issue to even care.

[trickblue]

I guess a picture together means they are working buddies...in that case...

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0506/mccainandnamImage1.jpg

http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files//2008/09/mccainhat.jpg

As a mod, you have failed this board by not posting the obligatory:

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

As a mod, you have failed this board by not posting the obligatory:

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

Well I thought I would stick with McCain...this time.:D

[trickblue]

Well I thought I would stick with McCain...this time.:D

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/nov07/121107truther-911DummiesRaveFlyer-Front.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/nov07/121107truther-911DummiesRaveFlyer-Front.jpg

Burn Truther...BURN!!!

I am going to get that preacher that helped Palin to come and protect me from witches now.

[trickblue]

Burn Truther...BURN!!!

I am going to get that preacher that helped Palin to come and protect me from witches now.

You'd be better off bringing your own pastor...

http://www.ljworld.com/billsnead/gallery/222_snakehandlers_dewey.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

You'd be better off bringing your own pastor...



That guy has some crazy manson eyes going.

[Heisenberg]

That guy has some crazy manson eyes going.

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u26/1463_heavens_gate_468.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u26/1463_heavens_gate_468.jpg

That guys eyes are crazy too, and one would argue he is even crazier than the guy in tricks picture.

However The guy in tricks picture looks more like the crazy manson eyes.

[heavyg]

I am so sorry you are having a rough year. Guess you should have made better decisions. Weak people always blame others for their own problems. Don't worry Obama will fix everything.

Canada who relies on the US for it's existence should want a strong America, not a socialist shell of it's former self. When the American economy grinds to a halt under the socialist agenda of Obama, the rest of the world will fall also. Starting with Canada. You better make that trip to Disney soon.

Wait a minute now.....I can't believe im gonna back this guy up. But how is he a weak person because the market bombed and his retirement did the same because it was tied up in the market? I do not support Obama and I think it will be a HUGE mistake if he is elected. But alot of inocent people have lost money with this stock market mess. As well as alot of crooks getting rich!!!

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wait a minute now.....I can't believe im gonna back this guy up. But how is he a weak person because the market bombed and his retirement did the same because it was tied up in the market? I do not support Obama and I think it will be a HUGE mistake if he is elected. But alot of inocent people have lost money with this stock market mess. As well as alot of crooks getting rich!!!

Would you be upset if I told you that you are sexy when you are upset? ;) :p:

[Angus]

We shall see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7656546.stm

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95484240&ft=1&f=1003

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LQG700&show_article=1

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/kenya_deports_denville_author.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081008/wl_csm/obamanation

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct07/0,4670,AFKenyaObamaAuthorDetained,00.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9q4XKLmsES3YF1qFkXdr3CW-2RwD93LQG700

CanadianCowboysFan, why the heck are you so involved with U.S. politics? I wonder?

He may have already sent an illegal contribution to Obama and wants to see if his money does the trick.

:)

[Angus]

This is my last question for tonight.

Just out of curiousity, if Barack Obama is elected president, do you think he will do his best to ruin America because he is anti-america and a muslim?

Also, if the answer is yes, what type of sign will we see during his presidency that would reveal that this is what he is doing?

Also, you all do realize that we have had Presidents before with some extremely questionable pasts and American is still fine.

No, it will be because he is a socialist and weak. He will pull troops from Iraq too soon and leave that country to Iran, which will antagonize the Arab world, and he will fail to protect America from terrorism. Not only is he is militarily weak-kneed, but his socialist policies will leave the country in such dire economic straights that it will be an easy target, not only for Islamic extremists, but for Russia and China and other adventurers.

:rolleyes:

[Angus]

He may have already sent an illegal contribution to Obama and wants to see if his money does the trick.

:)

Why no response from Canadian Cowboys Fan? Too close to the truth?

:rolleyes:

[Doomsday101]

No, it will be because he is a socialist and weak. He will pull troops from Iraq too soon and leave that country to Iran, which will antagonize the Arab world, and he will fail to protect America from terrorism. Not only is he is militarily weak-kneed, but his socialist policies will leave the country in such dire economic straights that it will be an easy target, not only for Islamic extremists, but for Russia and China and other adventurers.

:rolleyes:

I do question Obama ability as commander in Chief. When things got tough in Iraq he was ready to cut and run. Will he do the same in Afghanistan? or any other conflict that may arise? He talks tough at times but when push came to shove he showed his willingness to cut and run.

[Angus]

Govt defends Corsi's deportation
Written By:Lilian Mwendo , Posted: Wed, Oct 08, 2008

Jerome Corsi, author of the anti-Obama book titled The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality was deported back to America not because of a hitch in his travel documents as reported earlier but due to the nature of his mission in the country.

According to Foreign affairs minister Moses Wetangula, Corsi displayed inconsistent conduct with the expected norms of good behaviour in the country.

Corsi was on Tuesday night deported back to America after he attempted to launch the book blasting White House hopeful Barrack Obama at a Nairobi hotel.

The initial explanation offered by the authorities for his deportation was that his travel documents were not in order.

But it emerged on Wednesday that his deportation squarely lay on his suspect intentions and mission in the country, the launch of an anti-Obama book.

According to Wetangula, Corsi who was in the country on a tourist visa was ordered to leave the country by the immigration department.

Corsi's scheduled launch of the book at the Laico hotel failed to kick off after a section of Kenyans demonstrated against it leading to his detention by security officials.

In the book, Corsi ridicules Prime Minister Raila Odinga accusing him of supporting the agenda of radical Muslims.

He had also announced he would expose alleged connections to certain sectoral groups in Kenya and subsequent plots to be executed in Kenya Should Obama win the US election.

Meanwhile the government has offered to train between six to ten thousand Somali nationals as military officers.

Foreign affairs minister Moses Wetangula says the move by Kenya will help Somalia's defense system as the interim government's term comes to an end in nine month's time.

Wetangula firmly refuted latest claims by British Broadcasting Corporation that the military consignment in the hijacked Ukrainian ship was destined for Sudan terming the allegations speculative.

He said the initials GOSS cited by the BBC to mean Government of Southern Sudan were actually a Department of Defense code for General Ordinance Supplies and Security.

http://www.kbc.co.ke/story.asp?ID=52997

[ABQCOWBOY]

Would you be upset if I told you that you are sexy when you are upset? ;) :p:

I know I would. If your thinking that, then your thinking a lot worse and I'm probably in there somewhere's with a Chicken Suit on or some Gosh Darn Thing.

:lmao2:

[dbair1967]

you guys are really grasping at straws now

face it, the old man is going down, nothing short of an attack on the US can stop it now

I guess we'll see Monday night wont we?

He's supposedly going to be on H&C and have the proof with him.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I am so sorry you are having a rough year. Guess you should have made better decisions. Weak people always blame others for their own problems. Don't worry Obama will fix everything.

Canada who relies on the US for it's existence should want a strong America, not a socialist shell of it's former self. When the American economy grinds to a halt under the socialist agenda of Obama, the rest of the world will fall also. Starting with Canada. You better make that trip to Disney soon.

so let's see, after 8 years of Republican administration, it will be Obama's fault the system collapsed, ok, I get it.

blaming others is weak, yeah ok, if you say so, but whose collapse has started the world's problems, certainly wasn't out of Asia, middle east, Europe, was the NYSE and Washington. Everyone's retirement funds are in the toilet so it was hardly due to a "bad decision" on my part.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Why no response from Canadian Cowboys Fan? Too close to the truth?

:rolleyes:


unlike you, I don't sit at my computer just waiting for a response to a post so I can respond.

and no I didn't make any contribution to Obama, if I had wanted to contribute, it would have been to Hillary

[Cajuncowboy]

you guys are really grasping at straws now

face it, the old man is going down, nothing short of an attack on the US can stop it now

So if there is an attack on America, American voters would swing towrads McCain?

That is the dumbest thing I've heard. Or is it?

The fact that you, someone who despises the American right, would have that view says alot about who we should have in office. Why wait until we are attacked. If we have that dolt Nobama in office we would sit around with our hands under our collective arses.

Thanks for making the point on National Security for McCain.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So if there is an attack on America, American voters would swing towrads McCain?

That is the dumbest thing I've heard. Or is it?

The fact that you, someone who despises the American right, would have that view says alot about who we should have in office. Why wait until we are attacked. If we have that dolt Nobama in office we would sit around with our hands under our collective arses.

Thanks for making the point on National Security for McCain.

not sure what point you think I made. people would likely vote for McCain if the US were attacked, not because he is better in that area but because he might be perceived to be better.

The Bush doctrine is not making you any safer, hell you were attacked while he was in office.

However, the perception is a former soldier would be better in terms of defence, I don't agree, but that is the perception.

Anyway, why are you worrying, both leaders basically listed 4-5 countries on Tuesday they intend to attack so you people are going to war regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

[Cajuncowboy]

not sure what point you think I made. people would likely vote for McCain if the US were attacked, not because he is better in that area but because he might be perceived to be better.

The Bush doctrine is not making you any safer, hell you were attacked while he was in office.

However, the perception is a former soldier would be better in terms of defence, I don't agree, but that is the perception.

Anyway, why are you worrying, both leaders basically listed 4-5 countries on Tuesday they intend to attack so you people are going to war regardless of who is in the Oval Office.

:bang2:

Thanks again.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Bush doctrine is not making you any safer, hell you were attacked while he was in office.



This is opinion. The fact of the matter is that the attack was planned well in advance of Bush taking office. The election between Bush and Gore was too close to know who would win. You may be correct in your assumptions but then again, you may not be. At this point, the evidence points to the contrary. There have been no foreign attacks on American soil since 9/11.

[Cajuncowboy]

This is opinion. The fact of the matter is that the attack was planned well in advance of Bush taking office. The election between Bush and Gore was too close to know who would win.

And we haven't been attacked since. So let him argue with facts. He's gonna lose again anyway.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

This is opinion. The fact of the matter is that the attack was planned well in advance of Bush taking office. The election between Bush and Gore was too close to know who would win. You may be correct in your assumptions but then again, you may not be. At this point, the evidence points to the contrary. There have been no foreign attacks on American soil since 9/11.

and the last one before that was Pearl Harbor, and before that the War of 1812 ;)

[CanadianCowboysFan]

anyway, why are you worried, you guaranteed a McCain win.

[BrAinPaiNt]

and the last one before that was Pearl Harbor, and before that the War of 1812 ;)

Actually there was one before 9/11 and after pearl harbor....no winkie.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Actually there was one before 9/11 and after pearl harbor....no winkie.

an attack on the US? I know about the one in 1993 but they were people who lived in the US, correct so not like an attack on America which I interpreted him to mean by foreigners.

No one really thinks McVeigh was an attack on the US

[MetalHead]

so let's see, after 8 years of Republican administration, it will be Obama's fault the system collapsed, ok, I get it.

blaming others is weak, yeah ok, if you say so, but whose collapse has started the world's problems, certainly wasn't out of Asia, middle east, Europe, was the NYSE and Washington. Everyone's retirement funds are in the toilet so it was hardly due to a "bad decision" on my part.

100% proof that you do not know what you are talking about.
Allow me to educate you.
This crash has been on the horizon for some time now.
From Carter,Clinton and Bush now.It just happened to fall in his lap.
Sub prime lenders arrange loans to people who had absolutely no business owning a house got mortgages that they could not repay.
Up to 5 million illegal immigrants were granted home loans!
In order to get their bonuses paid,Freddie and Fannie guaranteed the loans and distributed bonuses based on unreachable projections.
Even they knew that the borrowers would default and still were irresponsible about handing out bonuses.
In 2004 Congress at the urging of McCain and others,held hearings warning about corruption and irregularities in Freddie and Fannie.
Look up my "the Video every american must see" thread and see for yourself how Maxine Waters,Barney Frank,Greg Meeks,Franklin Raines(who now is employed by guess who?),deny any wrongdoing and that everything was ok.
Even Bill Clinton admitted his resistance to the Republicans and the resistance of the party to look into F&F.
Then came the defaults,and after F&F ran out of $$$ after paying the banks for the mortgages they guaranteed,the banks had to assume the foreclosures.
Still with me?

[Cajuncowboy]

an attack on the US? I know about the one in 1993 but they were people who lived in the US, correct so not like an attack on America which I interpreted him to mean by foreigners.

No one really thinks McVeigh was an attack on the US

The 9/11 terrorists lived here as well. Heck they went to school here and learned how to fly a plane here. What's your point?

[BrAinPaiNt]

an attack on the US? I know about the one in 1993 but they were people who lived in the US, correct so not like an attack on America which I interpreted him to mean by foreigners.

No one really thinks McVeigh was an attack on the US

Not talking about McVeigh.

[ABQCOWBOY]

and the last one before that was Pearl Harbor, and before that the War of 1812 ;)


I can see American History is not your strong suit. Pearl Harbor was an act of War. The Japanese declared War on us so I don't believe you can call that a Terrorist Act. I suppose you can call the War of 1812 a Terrorist act but Texas didn't become a State until 1845 so technically, if that's how you want to go, it was not against the US.

All of this is decoration. The fact is that 9/11 was not directed towards Bush. It was directed towards America and there has not been a foreign terrorist attack since.

Can't have it both ways.