Interesting comment from Jerry on our defense

[Chocolate Lab]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?

[BulletBob]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?

That would go a long way toward answering the "What happened to our LBs this year?" question. Combine the integration of a new scheme with horrible play from the front 4 and you have a recipe for disaster.

[Nors]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?

I don't buy it, its the same system, but we suck. Players worse across the board. If there's any chanhe we are playing a much sofet non attacked cover 2.

Lets blame the 3-4 because our 4-3 sux? :rolleyes:

[BulletBob]

I don't buy it, its the same system, but we suck. Players worse across the board. If there's any chanhe we are playing a much sofet non attacked cover 2.

Lets blame the 3-4 because our 4-3 sux? :rolleyes:

Nors, are you typing with your forehead again?

:D

j/k!

[SoTex]

Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?

Good questions. If you are going to tinker with a good thing make sure it is comprised of improvements and not uncertainties.

[Bababooey]

I guess the bigger question would be... why try and fix something that isnt broken?

No, we we'rent a dominating defense last season but they kept us in almost every game. I dont think that warrants a complete change in philosophy and systems.

Sounds like another bad decision from the coaching staff to me.

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't buy it, its the same system, but we suck. Players worse across the board. If there's any chanhe we are playing a much sofet non attacked cover 2.

Lets blame the 3-4 because our 4-3 sux? :rolleyes:


See Nors!

Instead of the 3-4 making us better... it has just dragged us into the sewer.

[Hostile]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?
Very interesting insight. They need to stick to one scheme and play it. I hate to think we need to dumb down but if we do, we do.

[Hostile]

I don't buy it, its the same system, but we suck. Players worse across the board. If there's any chanhe we are playing a much sofet non attacked cover 2.

Lets blame the 3-4 because our 4-3 sux? :rolleyes:
The thing is it didn't suck last year. Forgive me, but I trust Jerry's analysis way more than yours.

[MichaelWinicki]

The thing is it didn't suck last year. Forgive me, but I trust Jerry's analysis way more than yours.


You're insulting the "father" of the 3-4... our very own Nors!

[chicago JK]

You have seen before the snap that our defense looks confused at times. People running around looking lost. It was happening more early in the year.

[Chuck 54]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?
If I were convinced this was the real cause, I'd fire everyone!!!!! You play the season to win games, make the playoffs, and try to win a championship. You change schemes and incorporate new philosophies in the offseason.

[DipChit]

Yeah I dont buy it either except in the "subtle" ways where ya lost Woodson and didnt have quality depth and then had to do something diff with Roy.

I think it's just Jones' way of keeping from having to say "We just suck due to some injuries and bad personnel decisions and as such dont have the players we need. So theres no way we can compete well against much of anyone right now much less some of the best offenses in the league".

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, he did say how much they've missed Woodson, and that Roy has had to play deeper than they'd like... But we already knew that. :)

[aikemirv]

I think the change in philosophy has to do with the weakness at the corner spot. When you are covering a huge weakness like that it changes everyones responsibilities.

That said, I think our difference on defense boils down to a few simple things.

1) We don't have a player like Blade to clog the middle like last year- nobody's fault but Blades

2) Ekuban was a better run defender than Wiley - hands down - and knew the defense well.

3) Woodson was the leader of the defense.

4 The corner opposite Newman is not playing the scheme as well as Mario did. Would this be different with Hunter if he was not hurt - I hope we dont wait to find out next year!

I think the poor LB play is just a direct result of the poor play upfront and them not being able to get to he ball

[Hollywood Henderson]

Good teams killed us last year and good teams are killing this poorly coached D this year...

We still have no real NFL FS and the DC still thinks you can play with 2 VERY tiny LBers who don't do anything in his passive & predictable "occupy & engage" never rush the passer D...

Fire zimmy wuss and the D gets better right then!

[blindzebra]

Jerry's been reading the forum again.

I said several times this past week that us trying that hybrid crap has hurt us and used Roy Williams, out of position and player's not buying into the sysytem, quote as an exmaple.

That was my, and many others, stance with old Nors this offseason. If it's not broke, don't mess with it.

Well they messed with it and see what happens?

[keds]

Looking at our defense after Woodson went down we didn't make any kind of move to get another safety, could have resigned Mario for a year or two as insurance at CB, didn't seriously address the nose tackle position in any way. I really think Bill and Jerry seriously overestimated the talent on defense.

[RCowboyFan]

On Jerry's Ticket show this morning, he was asked if the inept play on defense was more a misjudgement of talent, or if the players were just playing below their capabilties. He answered with something I haven't heard yet this year.

He said, paraphrasing, that we had made significant changes in philosophy from last year, and that we were also trying to integrate a new system in. This has lead to fewer practice reps on each system, and therefore players that hadn't had enough experience in either for them to be totally comfortable yet. This has lead to players being out of position at times during this time of flux.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense to me... We've all wondered how a defense that had largely the same players has been SO bad.

It sure sounds like he was talking about the 3-4 to me, although I got the idea from the beginning of his answer that maybe there were changes in the 4-3 schemes, too. I know this is going to turn into a Nors thread, but... Why make such big changes in a defense that was so good last year? And would they have done it if they'd known it would contribute to such awful play?

You basically beat me to this, but now I think its more BP to blame for this Defensive mess than Zimmer for sure. And now I understand, in this context, what Roy Williams might have been saying about Players not buying into Parcells Philosophy.

I guess BP screwed up big time in this instance. I don't get it. If things were working well last year, why change it so much? Thats why I never like BP the GM. He has some hits, but he had lot of misses. I guess he made a huge mistake, in Stewart and Blade, which led to the failure of scheme changes.

I am guessing he expected Blade and Stewart to be integral to lot of 3-4 schemes. And now he is stuck with scheme without the players to play the scheme. No Wonder our LBs have not been the players they were last year. I see the same confusion with the Defense I saw in 2000 year, where our D was terrible too.

[bysbox1]

Good teams killed us last year and good teams are killing this poorly coached D this year...

We still have no real NFL FS and the DC still thinks you can play with 2 VERY tiny LBers who don't do anything in his passive & predictable "occupy & engage" never rush the passer D...

Fire zimmy wuss and the D gets better right then!

Lay down the pipe . . . you'll feel much better. Maybe you'll get over your man love for Zimmer.

[dmq]

I think everyone here realized before our record was 3-6 that our team wasn't going to the superbowl. I think we all also realize that thought our defense was ranked #1 last year, we were average if you really watched them. Parcells obviously felt like the defense as it stood last year wasn't going to get us to the big game. So, he is using this year to remake the defense the way he wants it. This decision will pay off for us after we draft players to fit this defense. Relax, we will turn this around.