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Heisenberg
10-10-2008, 06:14 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_asks_crowd_to_be_respectful_of_Obama.html
McCain asks crowd to be 'respectful' of Obama
Working to dampen the angry crowd meme, McCain tells his Minnesota rally to take it easy, Amie Parnes reports:
At a town hall in Minnesota, McCain tried to tone down a week of raucus, angry crowds after one man stood up and said: "We want you to fight."
"The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight. We want a strong president to lead us through the next four years."
"I think I got my marching orders," McCain said. But then he shifted tones.
"I am enthusiastic and encouraged by the enthusiasm and I think it's really good," McCain said. "We have to fight and i will fight but we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments and I want to be respectful.
"I dont mean that you have to lose your ferocity. I just mean you have to be respectful."
A moment later, another woman stood up and urged McCain to speak up so voters "really have an understanding of who the candidates are."
"There's a difference between rhetoric and record," McCain said, adding that Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times. "He has the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate, even more liberal than Bernie Sanders."
Once again, McCain repeated, "I want all of you to tell your neighbors about the difference between rhetoric and record, but let's do it respectfully."
Later in the event, man in the audience stood up and told McCain he's "scared" of an Obama presidency and who he'd select for the Supreme Court.
"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said as the crowd booed and shouted "Come on, John!"
"If I didn't think I'd be a heck of a lot better, I wouldn't be running for President of the United States."
If it's not the Times editorial board jeering him, it's his own crowd.
Heisenberg
10-10-2008, 06:14 PM
At least he's trying.
It shouldn't have come to this, just sad :(
adamc91115
10-10-2008, 06:45 PM
The man needs to show some fire, not this "Be respectful" bull****.
His supporters don't want to see that, many of them DO NOT LIKE Barack Obama.
The man needs to show some fire, not this "Be respectful" bull****.
His supporters don't want to see that, many of them DO NOT LIKE Barack Obama.
Well if anyone dislikes Obama, they should simply vote for McCain, without him resorting to attacks. It doesn't show a weakness, it shows a willingness to avoid lowering himself to that level. It actually makes him more respectable and more plausible a leader.
jimnabby
10-10-2008, 07:07 PM
There was more (http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/10/stop-the-presses/), apparently:
After a woman calls Obama “an Arab terrorist” McCain interrupts to say: “No, ma’am. He is a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements.”
ConcordCowboy
10-10-2008, 07:08 PM
They just showed a clip on Hardball of a old women getting up and taking the microphone from McCain to ask a question and she said...I can't trust Obama...he's a Arab.
McCain shook his head in I can't believe what I'm hearing (the crowd actually laughed at the lady)...grabbed the Mic and said No he's not an Arab (the lady says...No?) and he goes on to say he's a respectable man and family man and that they just have political differences and that's what the election should be about.
Then they showed a clip from a little bit later in the rally and you couldn't hear the question, but McCain says sombely...Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of being President of the U.S.
The crowd got pissed and started booing...then he said look...If I didn't think I was a better choice then I wouldn't be running.
It was Obviously that McCain knows things are getting out of control with these crowds and he's trying to put a halt to it.(Should have never got this far)
The guys on the show were saying that McCain's camp must be getting some polling numbers that are showing that this kind of stuff is backfiring and McCain knows he needs to get back to the issues.
We'll see.
Even though I give credit to McCain for correcting these poeple...I loved his own crowd booing him. :D
ConcordCowboy
10-10-2008, 07:09 PM
There was more (http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/10/stop-the-presses/), apparently:
Yep that's what I was talking about.
Cajuncowboy
10-10-2008, 07:14 PM
I think allot of these people are dem shills making out to be republicans. And even if not, there are not that many of them. There are morons on both sides.
ConcordCowboy
10-10-2008, 07:16 PM
I think allot of these people are dem shills making out to be republicans. And even if not, there are not that many of them. There are morons on both sides.
Those people were RED MEAT Republicans.
:lmao2:
Cajuncowboy
10-10-2008, 08:01 PM
Those people were RED MEAT Republicans.
:lmao2:
You know that because you know them personally? :rolleyes:
BrAinPaiNt
10-10-2008, 08:04 PM
Those that know me, those that know what I do and do not believe might be shocked at what I am going to say here, but it is just how serious I am about the way these things have been getting and how much I respect him for calling these people out and telling them to settle it down. Four words that make shock the ever loving bleep out of some on this board.
God Bless John McCain.
And I do not say this with sarcasm, mockery, sly malice or any other negative aspect.
I have said this time and time again that I don't think John McCain has liked this line of attack and I could only give him the benefit of the doubt that it was his campaign pushing this while he has held back. I think he started going with it because he feels it is his last shot and I was questioning his integrity because of it. But doing this to his base that was getting out of control, even to their own boos, makes me thankful that he finally said enough is enough. Not about the ties, not about the questionable past, but the over the top way in which multiple members of the audience in multiple rallies have been acting.
Thank you John McCain. As I stated in an earlier thread. You might not like the opponent, you might not agree with his politics, you may question his ties or past...but enough is enough when the crowd is yelling to kill him, off with his head, bomb obama and other statements.
Thank you again John McCain, Thank you.
ConcordCowboy
10-10-2008, 08:05 PM
You know that because you know them personally? :rolleyes:
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/29/conspiracycat.jpg
WoodysGirl
10-10-2008, 08:08 PM
Great post, Brain..
ConcordCowboy
10-10-2008, 08:09 PM
Those that know me, those that know what I do and do not believe might be shocked at what I am going to say here, but it is just how serious I am about the way these things have been getting and how much I respect him for calling these people out and telling them to settle it down. Four words that make shock the ever loving bleep out of some on this board.
God Bless John McCain.
And I do not say this with sarcasm, mockery, sly malice or any other negative aspect.
I have said this time and time again that I don't think John McCain has liked this line of attack and I could only give him the benefit of the doubt that it was his campaign pushing this while he has held back. I think he started going with it because he feels it is his last shot and I was questioning his integrity because of it. But doing this to his base that was getting out of control, even to their own boos, makes me thankful that he finally said enough is enough. Not about the ties, not about the questionable past, but the over the top way in which multiple members of the audience in multiple rallies have been acting.
Thank you John McCain. As I stated in an earlier thread. You might not like the opponent, you might not agree with his politics, you may question his ties or past...but enough is enough when the crowd is yelling to kill him, off with his head, bomb obama and other statements.
Thank you again John McCain, Thank you.
Like I said I give him credit for tonight.
But is he going to stop Palin from now on getting people riled up like this?
That will be the true test.
If he doesn't, tonight means nothing.
SuspectCorner
10-10-2008, 08:10 PM
I think allot of these people are dem shills making out to be republicans. And even if not, there are not that many of them. There are morons on both sides.
So you're saying there are actually moronic Republicans! Cajun - are you not feeling well?
BrAinPaiNt
10-10-2008, 08:14 PM
So you're saying there are actually moronic Republicans! Cajun - are you not feeling well?
Maybe you are joking and maybe you are not. But cajun has called out that there are loons, morons and fringe type people on both sides and he is correct in saying that.
Now saying it is dem plant shills and that line is something silly even for him, an argument that makes no sense once the majority of the crowd BOOED when McCain made that statemet...but let's not act like he has not said their are loons or morons on both sides.
Cajuncowboy
10-10-2008, 08:15 PM
So you're saying there are actually moronic Republicans! Cajun - are you not feeling well?
Sure there are. Morons on the republican side as well as the democratic side. Why is that hard for you to believe?
Cajuncowboy
10-10-2008, 08:20 PM
Maybe you are joking and maybe you are not. But cajun has called out that there are loons, morons and fringe type people on both sides and he is correct in saying that.
Now saying it is dem plant shills and that line is something silly even for him, an argument that makes no sense once the majority of the crowd BOOED when McCain made that statemet...but let's not act like he has not said their are loons or morons on both sides.
Brain, it's been done before. Many times at rallies all over America. People posing as one side and then doing something to embarrass that party or candidate. That said, I'm not sure of it but it wouldn't surprise me.
The fact that people boo'd was probably because they are tired of McCain being a wimp and not at least taking on Obama directly.
But whatever. The lady was a moron. Whether a Republican or a democrat. We have our share, just like the Dems.
SuspectCorner
10-10-2008, 08:26 PM
I assure you I was joking Cajun. And completely agree with you Brain about McCains comfort level Re the personal attacks. I think Rovians sold him a bill of goods which was made only slightly more palatable by the fact he witnessed those tactics result in success for Bush AGAINST MCCAIN.
He's prolly scratching his head wondering why the country waited until HIS RUN to grow a collective conscience. He's twice-scrod.
Wheat
10-10-2008, 09:17 PM
#1. Folks who get these tickets are usually connected through the local GOP...and if you're in the front row. You either KNOW somebody....or you're a plant for the guy on stage in his/her favor.
#2. McCain did the right thing tonight. They shouldn't be surprised to hear this stuff. Look at his VP choice. She's firing people up to say stuff like that.
#3. Now McCain is in a bind. He has to attack Obama....but how? On issues, right? Well. I guess he can try the economy again. But, he's be whiffing lately. Environment maybe? Education? He's already got defense and security...and those aren't at the top of peoples concerns right now.
Its trick.
But, well done Sen McCain. Thank you.
ScipioCowboy
10-11-2008, 12:48 AM
#1. Folks who get these tickets are usually connected through the local GOP...and if you're in the front row. You either KNOW somebody....or you're a plant for the guy on stage in his/her favor.
#2. McCain did the right thing tonight. They shouldn't be surprised to hear this stuff. Look at his VP choice. She's firing people up to say stuff like that.
#3. Now McCain is in a bind. He has to attack Obama....but how? On issues, right? Well. I guess he can try the economy again. But, he's be whiffing lately. Environment maybe? Education? He's already got defense and security...and those aren't at the top of peoples concerns right now.
Its trick.
But, well done Sen McCain. Thank you.
Palin is only doing what the McCain campaign is telling her to do.
Furthermore, to my knowledge, Palin has never deemed Obama a terrorist. She's only criticized Obama for his association with Bill Ayers, which is a matter of record. She can hardly be blamed for the actions and comments of a few loons.
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 12:54 AM
Palin is only doing what the McCain campaign is telling her to do.
Furthermore, to my knowledge, Palin has never deemed Obama a terrorist. She's only criticized Obama for his association with Bill Ayers, which is a matter of record. She can hardly be blamed for the actions and comments of a few loons.
I really believe that and I think they've messed up majorly in how they've handled her entire VP campaigning role.
ScipioCowboy
10-11-2008, 01:00 AM
I really believe that and I think they've messed up majorly in how they've handled her entire VP campaigning role.
I absolutely agree. Palin is clearly an intelligent woman with excellent instincts. The McCain camp should've subjected Palin to the media as soon as possible.
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 01:02 AM
I absolutely agree. Palin is clearly an intelligent woman with excellent instincts. The McCain camp should've subjected Palin to the media as soon as possible.
Exactly. By now, if she had been doing press conferences the whole time and interviews, she'd be a lot better at it and would be less prone to the mistakes she's made. She'd also be much better known. Hell, the day she was introduced, she should have done interviews on at least Fox News. They wouldn't ask her any hard hitting stuff, but at least the narrative that she hides from the press wouldn't be there.
And making her the attack dog? Why? Let her be folksy and nice.
Maikeru-sama
10-11-2008, 01:03 AM
#1. Folks who get these tickets are usually connected through the local GOP...and if you're in the front row. You either KNOW somebody....or you're a plant for the guy on stage in his/her favor.
#2. McCain did the right thing tonight. They shouldn't be surprised to hear this stuff. Look at his VP choice. She's firing people up to say stuff like that.
#3. Now McCain is in a bind. He has to attack Obama....but how? On issues, right? Well. I guess he can try the economy again. But, he's be whiffing lately. Environment maybe? Education? He's already got defense and security...and those aren't at the top of peoples concerns right now.
Its trick.
But, well done Sen McCain. Thank you.
Yep, and the idea that these are democrats planted in the audience is pretty lame.
I really believe that and I think they've messed up majorly in how they've handled her entire VP campaigning role.
Yep, I watched 2 extremely conservative women on TV yesterday say that they not only what you have stated but actualy felt the McCain camp was intentionally degrading her.
Yep, I watched 2 extremely conservative women on TV yesterday say that they not only what you have stated but actualy felt the McCain camp was intentionally degrading her.
Well that would also have to fall under the heading of equally lame, then.
Who stands to benefit from intentionally degrading their own running mate?
Mishandled, perhaps, but if they're going to spout that kind of weirdness, they're off their rockers.
ScipioCowboy
10-11-2008, 01:06 AM
Exactly. By now, if she had been doing press conferences the whole time and interviews, she'd be a lot better at it and would be less prone to the mistakes she's made. She'd also be much better known. Hell, the day she was introduced, she should have done interviews on at least Fox News. They wouldn't ask her any hard hitting stuff, but at least the narrative that she hides from the press wouldn't be there.
And making her the attack dog? Why? Let her be folksy and nice.
Traditionally, attack dog is the role played by the VP candidate. Biden fills this role for Obama.
(Hooray for my 2000th post!)
Maikeru-sama
10-11-2008, 01:07 AM
Exactly. By now, if she had been doing press conferences the whole time and interviews, she'd be a lot better at it and would be less prone to the mistakes she's made. She'd also be much better known. Hell, the day she was introduced, she should have done interviews on at least Fox News. They wouldn't ask her any hard hitting stuff, but at least the narrative that she hides from the press wouldn't be there.
And making her the attack dog? Why? Let her be folksy and nice.
Bill O'Reilly would have.
They hid her from the media because they knew without a doubt that she would get eaten alive.
Again, Sarah Palin should have blown Katie Couric out of the dang water with some of those questions. Couric even had the audacity to ask Palin about some of the members of McCain's campaign being connected to Freddie/Fannie and Palin responded with a very bumbled and confusing answer.
Even the conservatives on the Talk Radio Stations I listen to lambasted her for that.
She wasn't ready and that is why they kept her from the media, so I don't think that was a huge mistake.
The mistake they have made is not having her better prepared for those interviews and they really shouldn't have her being so negative, it has brought out the worst in people.
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 01:08 AM
Traditionally, attack dog is the role played by the VP candidate. Biden fills this role for Obama.
(Hooray for my 2000th post!)
Ha. Congrats.
Biden does occasionally, but lately, he's been all about the "I feel your pain" moments. He connects well with the audience with his stories and the like.
I really think they should have played up her strengths and her ability to connect with average people.
ZeroClub
10-11-2008, 04:24 AM
Palin enflames crowds by loudly proclaiming aggressive terrorist by association charges.
McCain says people shouldn't be frightened of Obama.
Today people congratulate McCain for taking the high road.
.... at some point, aren't the campaigns responsible for all of their behavior?
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 04:29 AM
Palin enflames crowds by loudly proclaiming aggressive terrorist by association charges.
McCain says people shouldn't be frightened of Obama.
Today people congratulate McCain for taking the high road.
.... at some point, aren't the campaigns responsible for all of their behavior?
I don't believe McCain has ever actually said anything other than "Who is the REAL Barack Obama?" which gets the answer "TERRORIST!" from the crowd. They're running two different campaigns, but they're starting to converge or at least they were until today.
In one campaign, you have McCain talking more about issues and saying we don't really know Obama. In the other, you his surrogates, Palin, Cindy McCain, talking about terrorists, how he hates America, etc.
I have no idea what will happen tomorrow after McCain started backing away from it today.
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 04:35 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think he didn't really have a choice today. He was letting people ask questions in a town hall format and a crazy cat lady comes up and talks about how Obama is "an Arab". What's he going to do? Agree? Ignore it?
The other comment was about a guy being afraid of his child being brought up in this country because Obama is scary. What's he going to say? Abort your child now, Obama is going to kill us all?
ZeroClub
10-11-2008, 04:48 AM
The man is responsible for his behavior and for that of his campaign.
I give no brownie points for McCain occasionally saying the right thing (especially when McCain does so in response to the obvious pathology of his most disoriented supporters).
Beast_from_East
10-11-2008, 04:51 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think he didn't really have a choice today. He was letting people ask questions in a town hall format and a crazy cat lady comes up and talks about how Obama is "an Arab". What's he going to do? Agree? Ignore it?
The other comment was about a guy being afraid of his child being brought up in this country because Obama is scary. What's he going to say? Abort your child now, Obama is going to kill us all?
Lets see what happens in the next couple of days. If McCain/Palin start to back off this terrorist talk, then you know the internal polling coming back is brutal.
The media attention of what was being said also was getting brutal, even Republicans are starting to say this is getting trashy.
I am most interested in what Palin does now, will she keep up the attack or will she dial it back now? Now that she has been found guilty of abuse of power, I think the media is going to freaking eat her alive!!!
Heisenberg
10-11-2008, 05:26 AM
An amusing side effect of McCain saying Obama isn't an Arab:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7082/loldl4.jpg
"This just came in off the wires. Obama is not an Arab. I repeat. Not an Arab."
Beast_from_East
10-11-2008, 08:00 AM
An amusing side effect of McCain saying Obama isn't an Arab:
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7082/loldl4.jpg
"This just came in off the wires. Obama is not an Arab. I repeat. Not an Arab."
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:
When they first starting yelling terrorists, kill him, etc. McCain/Palin should of addressed right then. If this wasn't what their campaign was so suppose to be about, they should of address it right then, now 3 or 4 days later or after the fact.
The whole situation is sickening. :(
MetalHead
10-11-2008, 10:07 AM
When they first starting yelling terrorists, kill him, etc. McCain/Palin should of addressed right then. If this wasn't what their campaign was so suppose to be about, they should of address it right then, now 3 or 4 days later or after the fact.
The whole situation is sicking. :(
Huh?
Big Dakota will soon be asking you if you are a citizen too.
canters
10-11-2008, 10:14 AM
The "terrorist" issue is fair game as far as Barry's judgment and honesty go....it is the Dems and the MSM who in a fit of PC make the connection to people of color. There are morons in both parties who get carried away.....I still think this is a form of censorhip on the part of the Dems and MSM to shut up people with whom they disagree.
Again, if you think electing Barry will end racism, dream on....any attack on him will be judged as racist by some.
SuspectCorner
10-12-2008, 02:35 AM
The more I think about it, the more I think he didn't really have a choice today. He was letting people ask questions in a town hall format and a crazy cat lady comes up and talks about how Obama is "an Arab". What's he going to do? Agree? Ignore it?
The other comment was about a guy being afraid of his child being brought up in this country because Obama is scary. What's he going to say? Abort your child now, Obama is going to kill us all?
And how offensive do you think that exchange might have been to Americans of Arab descent?
No ma'am - he's not an Arab... he's a decent family man.
It just gets sicker by the minute.
Beast_from_East
10-12-2008, 02:39 AM
And how offensive do you think that exchange might have been to Americans of Arab descent?
No ma'am - he's not an Arab... he's a decent family man.
It just gets sicker by the minute.
LOl!!!
Good point, I never thought of that.
Beast_from_East
10-12-2008, 02:44 AM
The "terrorist" issue is fair game as far as Barry's judgment and honesty go....it is the Dems and the MSM who in a fit of PC make the connection to people of color. There are morons in both parties who get carried away.....I still think this is a form of censorhip on the part of the Dems and MSM to shut up people with whom they disagree.
Again, if you think electing Barry will end racism, dream on....any attack on him will be judged as racist by some.
The "terrorist issue" is a loser issue for McCain. I said last week that if they go after Obama's character that if would blow up in their face. Looks like I was right.
Palin did a 180 and started hitting obama today on the ISSUE OF ABORTION.
This is what they need to do, go after Obama on an issue and stop talking about this "terrorist" crap. Obama's poll numbers over the last week have not changed significantly.
This means that people either dont believe that Obama pals around with terrorist or they simply dont care. Either way it is a loser strategy for McCain.
The have to start talking exclusively about issues or this will be a blowout on Nov 4th.
Heisenberg
10-12-2008, 02:48 AM
The "terrorist issue" is a loser issue for McCain. I said last week that if they go after Obama's character that if would blow up in their face. Looks like I was right.
Palin did a 180 and started hitting obama today on the ISSUE OF ABORTION.
This is what they need to do, go after Obama on an issue and stop talking about this "terrorist" crap. Obama's poll numbers over the last week have not changed significantly.
This means that people either dont believe that Obama pals around with terrorist or they simply dont care. Either way it is a loser strategy for McCain.
The have to start talking exclusively about issues or this will be a blowout on Nov 4th.
His national poll numbers hit an election high yesterday. All of them had him above 50% for the first time.
And at least one poll that was released this morning is showing him with his biggest lead of the election.
It's not working. It's actually bolstering his support.
Beast_from_East
10-12-2008, 08:07 AM
His national poll numbers hit an election high yesterday. All of them had him above 50% for the first time.
And at least one poll that was released this morning is showing him with his biggest lead of the election.
It's not working. It's actually bolstering his support.
Exactly, going after Obama personally was the worst thing McCain could have done.
I really think that McCain did not want to do it, but his Rove-like advisors probably told him it was his only chance.
I am curious over the next couple of days to see how this Palin abuse of power issue is going to affect the daily tracking polls. I am anticipating a 2-3% bounce for Obama from this. The Rush Limbaugh crowd will not care, but Independents will probably be turned off by this, reminds them to much of another VP who abused his powers (Chenny).
My .02
canters
10-12-2008, 09:02 AM
Exactly, going after Obama personally was the worst thing McCain could have done.
I really think that McCain did not want to do it, but his Rove-like advisors probably told him it was his only chance.
I am curious over the next couple of days to see how this Palin abuse of power issue is going to affect the daily tracking polls. I am anticipating a 2-3% bounce for Obama from this. The Rush Limbaugh crowd will not care, but Independents will probably be turned off by this, reminds them to much of another VP who abused his powers (Chenny).
My .02
When the day arrives that a candidate cannot question the judgement and honesty of his/her opponent, why have an election? Judgement goes to the heart of many policy positions and beliefs, etc. IF McCain thinks Barry is lying about his relationship with Ayers or ACORN, he should be allowed to bring this up within rational discourse. The angry left is loaded with both barrels ready to challenge anything that is said about Barry.
Good for Sarah for talking about abortion. It is her right. Her base of support and most Catholics agree with her. Are Catholics dangerous?
You guys who think that anyone really cares about the Palin report are wrong IMO. She is seen as on the right side of the issue for trying to protect her sister and nephew. That she may not have kept Todd on a short yoke is for others to judge. I doubt the silent majority gives a poot about this report.
Barry was saved by the market collapse in mid Sept. He has benefited from it and every day we hear about it on the 24 hr news cycle is good for him. This is why he is up in the polls, nothing more or less.
BTW, prediction: IF Barry wins, within weeks or maybe days of his taking office, the MSM will change their tunes about the economy. They will look for resaons things are not that bad, reasons why Barry will save us all, the positves will be stressed, the negatives will go to the back. "Give me a B, Give me an A, Give me a R, Give me a A...."
Another prediction: If Barry wins, the time between the election and the day he takes office,,$$$ will leave the stock market in droves. You think it is bad now? Investors will know the cap gains rate is going up and more $$ will leave this country than you can count.
ZeroClub
10-12-2008, 12:21 PM
Barry was saved by the market collapse in mid Sept. He has benefited from it and every day we hear about it on the 24 hr news cycle is good for him. This is why he is up in the polls, nothing more or less.
This is probably true. As it should be.
With the colossal failures of the current Republican administration now readily apparent, most voters are leaning Democrat.
Had the Republicans done a decent job, they probably would be winning this one hands down.
adamc91115
10-12-2008, 12:41 PM
Exactly, going after Obama personally was the worst thing McCain could have done.
I really think that McCain did not want to do it, but his Rove-like advisors probably told him it was his only chance.
I am curious over the next couple of days to see how this Palin abuse of power issue is going to affect the daily tracking polls. I am anticipating a 2-3% bounce for Obama from this. The Rush Limbaugh crowd will not care, but Independents will probably be turned off by this, reminds them to much of another VP who abused his powers (Chenny).
My .02
Good call on that 2-3% bounce...
Obama's 11 point lead in Gallup is down to 7% in the 2 days since the "abuse of power" was announced, and his 7% lead in Rasmussen dropped to 6%.
I still believe that this race can shift 5-6% on election day, especially with the way undecideds are going back and forth like this.
masomenos
10-12-2008, 01:04 PM
Good call on that 2-3% bounce...
Obama's 11 point lead in Gallup is down to 7% in the 2 days since the "abuse of power" was announced, and his 7% lead in Rasmussen dropped to 6%.
I still believe that this race can shift 5-6% on election day, especially with the way undecideds are going back and forth like this.
Well let's see...
Polls released on 10/8/2008
Diageo/Hotline - Obama +1
Gallup - Obama +11
Rassmussen - Obama +6
Research 2000 - Obama +8
Zogby - Obama +1.9
Polls released on 10/11/2008
Diageo/Hotline - Obama +10
Gallup - Obama +9
Rasmussen - Obama +7
Research 2000 - Obama +12
Zogby - Obama +3.8
Those are increases of 9 points, 1 point, 4 points and 1.9 points. There is also a decrease of 1 point.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/today%27s%20polls
adamc91115
10-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Well let's see...
Polls released on 10/8/2008
Diageo/Hotline - Obama +1
Gallup - Obama +11
Rassmussen - Obama +6
Research 2000 - Obama +8
Zogby - Obama +1.9
Polls released on 10/11/2008
Diageo/Hotline - Obama +10
Gallup - Obama +9
Rasmussen - Obama +7
Research 2000 - Obama +12
Zogby - Obama +3.8
Those are increases of 9 points, 1 point, 4 points and 1.9 points. There is also a decrease of 1 point.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/today%27s%20polls (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/today%27s%20polls)
I only follow Gallup and Rasmussen, I don't have much faith in other polling sites. They show too many huge swings day to day.
Look at the polls for 10/12
Gallup - 7%
Rasmussen - 6%
(realclearpolitics.com)
It appears your site is slow.
masomenos
10-12-2008, 01:34 PM
I only follow Gallup and Rasmussen, I don't have much faith in other polling sites. They show too many huge swings day to day.
Look at the polls for 10/12
Gallup - 7%
Rasmussen - 6%
(realclearpolitics.com)
It appears your site is slow.
Gallup is actually the least reliable of the polls that I listed. Well, I don't know about the Diageo/Hotline poll actually, but Gallup is less accurate than Rasmussen, Research 2000, and Zogby.
masomenos
10-12-2008, 09:20 PM
Polls released on 10/12/08
Diageo/Hotline - Obama +8
Gallup - Obama +7
Rasmussen - Obama +6
Research 2000 - Obama +13
Zogby - Obama +6.1
Those are increases of 7, 7 and 2.3 points. There are two decreases of 2 and 1 point(s).
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