Parcells PC, 11/17

[Kittymama]

(Or since the Bill haters are convinced there are no PCs this week, since he's hiding from the media, it's his evil twin Skippy speaking)

Jones out (PC joined in midsentence, so I'm not sure which Jones); Keith Davis probable

Ok, it is Julius. He's been cleared to practice but won't play.

Final that he's out? That's what out means--is final.

Any new additions to roster? No

Feelings on playing Henson changed? No

How has Henson improved in practice? Knows the system better, allocation of practice time in certain areas, studying opponents, how to prepare, lots of things.

[Kittymama]

(Don't understand the question, doesn't make sense) The good thing about this game is that there is always next Sunday. Look forward to that & the anticipation that you can make things better.

Why aren't you putting in Henson when NY is putting in Manning? Just don't think the circumstances right now aren't conducive to him being successful. That's the best way I can put it. I know everyone saying "what do you have to lose?" Well, what you have to lose is the player. Put a player in the wrong circumstances at the wrong time & you can lose the player. (Now using boxing analogy) I want to know about the player, but I don't think this is the time. That's it, & you'll have to get used to it. It's not me being hard-headed, it's me being in a much better position to evaluate the player & how he's doing. It's a combination of currently all the things I see, what I've witnessed with the team, what we have going right now, Drew's situation. I'm not ruling anything out, but I've got the most information to evaluate.

Why not put him in at the end of the game? I thought we'd see ??? blitzing, & that's pretty much what we saw. Wouldn't be fair to him.

Is this a case of him not knowing what he doesn't know? I'm not saying that. He came here with the idea of playing & I appreciate that, but that's where we are right now.

What's the difference if Vinny goes down & he goes in? That's a forced option.

[pgreptom]

Sigh.. then it's going to continue to get worse, and worse.

I give up. :confused:

[Eric_Boyer]

Sigh.. then it's going to continue to get worse, and worse.

I give up. :confused:
I don't understand, is Henson your savior for the season?

I'm as anxious as anybody to see him perform under fire, but my contempt is in no way directed at our current starting QB right now.

[Kittymama]

Are you leaving? That's a ridiculous question. I'm not addressing that. See how early I get here in the morning to see how committed I am.

Any time you ask yourself "what have I gotten myself into?" Oh sure, but we're playing Baltimore & that's what I'm focusing on.

Henson again--what isn't Bill seeing? It's not that I'm uncomfortable talking about it & I'm not trying to avoid the question. It would take about 2 hours for me to tell you my thought process in evaluating the situation. I just don't want to put him in a position of jeopardizing the player right now. It's a thought out process; I've given a lot more thought to it than others.

Mumble mumble (I think about Vinny). I think the other player gives us a better chance to win the game. This isn't a try-out camp. He gives us a better chance to win.

Lots of really technical stuff on Baltimore's scheme.

[pgreptom]

It's nothing to do with Henson.

It has to do with seeing Jones, seeing Henson, all together.

The season is over bud - we're 3-6, playoffs are definately out of sight.

Is Vinnie going to be around next year? Probably not, best bet is he retires. So, what good does it do to keep playing him? it'd be nice to get a peep at the so called "future"

Jones being out, makes no sense ot me either. Jones is the only spark we'll have in our running game. He's been cleared to play, and even BP said he'd "use him like a dog" when he was available - and now he is, and he's "out."

I don't understnad.. but i expect the exact same crap we've had for the last few weeks.. and quite frankly, i don't want to watch it. I'll read the stats at the end of the game, and hope for the best. It hurts too much to watch it.

[Juke99]

Why aren't you putting in Henson when NY is putting in Manning? Just don't think the circumstances right now aren't conducive to him being successful. That's the best way I can put it. I know everyone saying "what do you have to lose?" Well, what you have to lose is the player. Put a player in the wrong circumstances at the wrong time & you can lose the player. (Now using boxing analogy) I want to know about the player, but I don't think this is the time. That's it, & you'll have to get used to it. It's not me being hard-headed, it's me being in a much better position to evaluate the player & how he's doing. It's a combination of currently all the things I see, what I've witnessed with the team, what we have going right now, Drew's situation. I'm not ruling anything out, but I've got the most information to evaluate.

.


NOTICE:

For those who assume that I have it out for Parcells, I don't.

I can live with this explanation, easily...and it's the first time that he's said it this way...in the past he has always said, "As long as we have a chance to be in the playoffs, Henson sits"

This is a very different situation and explanation...and one, HELLLLLO Parcells bootlickers, that I can live with easily because 1)It's in the player's best interest. 2) Parcells sees the kid every day and he obviously knows alot more than the rest of us do 3) Because he isn't going to tie Henson's playing time to the team's chances of making the playoffs, which anyone with eyes in their head could see ended about 5 games into the season.

So ya see, a reasonable explanation, as opposed to calling people out for even just asking the question, makes all the difference.

Done. That's all I needed to hear from Parcells...it's about the player...not the team's chances of making the playoffs...fine with me...no more posts from me about Henson.

Thanks for the post KM...

[numnuts23]

It's nothing to do with Henson.

It has to do with seeing Jones, seeing Henson, all together.

The season is over bud - we're 3-6, playoffs are definately out of sight.

Is Vinnie going to be around next year? Probably not, best bet is he retires. So, what good does it do to keep playing him? it'd be nice to get a peep at the so called "future"

Jones being out, makes no sense ot me either. Jones is the only spark we'll have in our running game. He's been cleared to play, and even BP said he'd "use him like a dog" when he was available - and now he is, and he's "out."

I don't understnad.. but i expect the exact same crap we've had for the last few weeks.. and quite frankly, i don't want to watch it. I'll read the stats at the end of the game, and hope for the best. It hurts too much to watch it.

I think it has more to do with only 4 days between games. My money is that he starts on Turkey Day and depending on Balt. game, possibly Henson w/ JJ in the backfield. IMO

[Hostile]

(Or since the Bill haters are convinced there are no PCs this week, since he's hiding from the media, it's his evil twin Skippy speaking)

Just my opinion but we don't need insults to start threads. If you have that much trouble with other people actually having opinions then put them on ignore.

[Kittymama]

Baltimore's OC is one of his former players--Cavanaugh. Sees some familiar schemes.

Do you give your players credit for not quitting Monday nite (think that's JJT). They were up emotionally. I was disappointed when we couldn't do a couple of things. On screen play (not sure which one), their guy was so tired that he didn't cover his spot but lucked into being in the right place to make a play.

Criticism from everyone? It's tough right now on everyone, but that's part of the game. You get praise when you're up & criticism when you're down. Defensively we're struggling. Can't recall it this bad before. But that's part of the game.

(Spags) What do you tell the team now, when they've been in a rut for a month? Tell them to prepare & give more thought to what you're going to do on Sunday. Keep going.

(Jenny) Is defense most befuddling part right now? I know what the problems are, yeah. There's not any offense in the league that isn't better playing from ahead than behind. The other night, until the score was 42, I was trying to stay with the scheme. Even at 35, I still thought we had a chance. With a couple of plays, we're back in. If the game is down to 7 points, then different things happen. But we can't hold & that changes the complexion of the game.

(Referencing the hit in the mouth analogy) How will you use this difficult time to take note on the guys? I'm always taking notes. If you want me to say something positive, we have good kickoff coverage.

How demoralizing was it to get the fumble that wasn't a fumble? I thought I saw the same thing you did, but that wasn't the ruling. (Compare that to Gibbs' whining--my note).

[Midswat]

Just my opinion but we don't need insults to start threads. If you have that much trouble with other people actually having opinions then put them on ignore.


I didn't think what Kitty said was insulting . . .

Unless being called a "Bill hater" is an insult to you.

[MichaelWinicki]

NOTICE:

For those who assume that I have it out for Parcells, I don't.

I can live with this explanation, easily...and it's the first time that he's said it this way...in the past he has always said, "As long as we have a chance to be in the playoffs, Henson sits"

This is a very different situation and explanation...and one, HELLLLLO Parcells bootlickers, that I can live with easily because 1)It's in the player's best interest. 2) Parcells sees the kid every day and he obviously knows alot more than the rest of us do 3) Because he isn't going to tie Henson's playing time to the team's chances of making the playoffs, which anyone with eyes in their head could see ended about 5 games into the season.

So ya see, a reasonable explanation, as opposed to calling people out for even just asking the question, makes all the difference.

Done. That's all I needed to hear from Parcells...it's about the player...not the team's chances of making the playoffs...fine with me...no more posts from me about Henson.

Thanks for the post KM...


Gee... I wonder who you're pointing this post at? :rolleyes:

[Kittymama]

(Jen) Who are you starting at right corner? Not sure. Probably Frazier. Not too many options.

(Missed name) on punt returns? Had some problems. Spit the bit out a little on Monday. Will keep working with him.

How is Zimmer feeling? We're all in the same boat.

(Missing some questions because they don't make sense)

Right corner--are you kicking yourself for feeling that it would turn out differently? 5 injuries. No, not--tell me any of the high-priced corners this winter, were they worth it. Name 5 difference-making corners--you'll have to call out for Chinese.


Oh--HE WALKED OUT OF THE PC!!!! Of course, it was over--but HE WALKED OUT! (Gotta keep up that Bill-hating meme.)

Quick observation--he was in an EXTREMELY good mood. Had the reporters laughing. Very chatty.

[BrAinPaiNt]

It's nothing to do with Henson.

It has to do with seeing Jones, seeing Henson, all together.

The season is over bud - we're 3-6, playoffs are definately out of sight.

Is Vinnie going to be around next year? Probably not, best bet is he retires. So, what good does it do to keep playing him? it'd be nice to get a peep at the so called "future"

Jones being out, makes no sense ot me either. Jones is the only spark we'll have in our running game. He's been cleared to play, and even BP said he'd "use him like a dog" when he was available - and now he is, and he's "out."

I don't understnad.. but i expect the exact same crap we've had for the last few weeks.. and quite frankly, i don't want to watch it. I'll read the stats at the end of the game, and hope for the best. It hurts too much to watch it.


Has Julius been cleared to Play....or just cleared to Practice?

[Juke99]

Gee... I wonder who you're pointing this post at? :rolleyes:


Hey Winicki, why don't you go ice skating in your backyard and myob? :p

[BrAinPaiNt]

(Jen) Who are you starting at right corner? Not sure. Probably Frazier. Not too many options.

(Missed name) on punt returns? Had some problems. Spit the bit out a little on Monday. Will keep working with him.

How is Zimmer feeling? We're all in the same boat.

(Missing some questions because they don't make sense)

Right corner--are you kicking yourself for feeling that it would turn out differently? 5 injuries. No, not--tell me any of the high-priced corners this winter, were they worth it. Name 5 difference-making corners--you'll have to call out for Chinese.


Oh--HE WALKED OUT OF THE PC!!!! Of course, it was over--but HE WALKED OUT! (Gotta keep up that Bill-hating meme.)

Quick observation--he was in an EXTREMELY good mood. Had the reporters laughing. Very chatty.


Yes he was in a much better mood today...I also think he was taking longer to think about his answers before saying them.

Oh btw he said...Not be a Jerk but I gotta Go now. :D

[pgreptom]

well..

i'd say he's been cleared to play, since the question was raised.. "Will he play this week"

I'd assume he was cleared to play.. BP just wants him fresh, since we play 4 days later.

[DallasCowpoke111]

LOL, if Parcells is nothing else, he IS funny and entertaining.

That closing banter w/ Steve Dennis about "I want you to name me 5 DB's who are impact makers for their teams, and you better send out for Chinese", was classic!

MAN I love being able to watch the PC's live on the Cowboys Channel!!!

[Juke99]

Yes he was in a much better mood today...I also think he was taking longer to think about his answers before saying them.

Oh btw he said...Not be a Jerk but I gotta Go now. :D

Oh you mean he might have realized his demeanor hasn't been constructive? Or perhaps someone in the organization said "Uh Bill, lighten up"...

Funny last comment about having to go...

[Juke99]

That closing banter w/ Steve Dennis about "I want you to name me 5 DB's who are impact makers for their teams, and you better send out for Chinese", was classic!

!!

That is a very New York comment...love it.

I wonder if the local writers had to look up the meaning in their "New York to Texas" translation guide.

:)

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh you mean he might have realized his demeanor hasn't been constructive? Or perhaps someone in the organization said "Uh Bill, lighten up"...

Funny last comment about having to go...


He may indeed have had that in mind.

But then again just being nice does not work for one...Didn't work for Campo in the press and he was always a nice guy and they went WAY to far in ripping that guy on occasion.

If a team is bad...no matter what the coach says there will be those fans and media who will rip on them....no matter if they are nice or not.

Vermeil gets a pass because people are afraid he will have a hallmark moment. :p

[DipChit]

Yeah he was in a good mood today.. I was laughing out loud a couple times myself.

To put that comment about DB's in better context for those that didnt hear it, he started out by asking the writers how long it would take them to name 5 WR's in the league that they thought were true diff makers. He said.. it'd take you about 10 seconds, right? Of course they all agreed. Thats when he said now do the same with Corner's.. and you better order some Chinese.

[Kittymama]

Jones being out, makes no sense ot me either. Jones is the only spark we'll have in our running game. He's been cleared to play, and even BP said he'd "use him like a dog" when he was available - and now he is, and he's "out."

Gee, maybe it has something to do with the fact that, medically, he's only been cleared to PRACTICE. Maybe, just maybe, doctors know a bit more than you do about whether the kid is fit enough to play in a game where he'll be hit. Geez, Bill can't get a break. According to many--including Dale Hansen--Bill was a big bully who forced JuJo to play earlier this seaon & that may have worsened his injuries. So which is it--let the kid heal & Bill is an idiot for not playing him or put him in & risk reinjury & Bill is a big bully for making him play? Can't have it both ways. Personally, I think the doctors are the ones I'd listen to.

[DallasCowpoke111]

Oh you mean he might have realized his demeanor hasn't been constructive? Or perhaps someone in the organization said "Uh Bill, lighten up"...

Funny last comment about having to go...

If you're railing on Parcells simply because he wears his feelings/opinions on his sleeve for 24-48 after a loss, you got a SHORT memory... can you say Jimmy??...shhuuurre, I knew you could! ;)

[Kittymama]

Oh--this is interesting! Eatman is talking about the PC now. He said Bill came back after the PC & talked to them about the answer on corners. Specifically asked about Winfield--said what is the Vikings defensive ranking right now. Is he playing up to his $14 million salary?

[Rack Bauer]

I didn't think what Kitty said was insulting . . .

Unless being called a "Bill hater" is an insult to you.


I agree. I didn't see anything wrong with it. She was just being sarcastic. No one could of got insulted with that.

[Kittymama]

Funny last comment about having to go...


Um, he says he has to go at the end of every PC. They're scheduled for 30 minutes (except for the 15 minute ones on Fridays), & he ALWAYS says he has to leave. Otherwise, they'd ask him questions all day.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Gee, maybe it has something to do with the fact that, medically, he's only been cleared to PRACTICE. Maybe, just maybe, doctors know a bit more than you do about whether the kid is fit enough to play in a game where he'll be hit. Geez, Bill can't get a break. According to many--including Dale Hansen--Bill was a big bully who forced JuJo to play earlier this seaon & that may have worsened his injuries. So which is it--let the kid heal & Bill is an idiot for not playing him or put him in & risk reinjury & Bill is a big bully for making him play? Can't have it both ways. Personally, I think the doctors are the ones I'd listen to.


You can not make all of the people happy all of the time.

Someone will ALWAYS find something to complain about.

I swear there are people on this board that I am convinced if they just won a Huge 1 billion dollar lottery...they would complain about something that goes along with getting the money....ugghh cry...I have to get up to early in the morning to get to the office and show my winning ticket. (just a silly example)

Some are the variety that is darned if you do and darned if you don't...you never win with a whiner :p

[Kittymama]

Has Julius been cleared to Play....or just cleared to Practice?

Parcells said cleared to practice.

[TheHustler]

Thanks for the update KM. Glad to hear he's in better spirits.

[Dale]

Yeah, I don't see a problem giving Julius the extra four days to practice. I'd like to see him this weekend, but the wiser move is giving him a few extra days of rest before giving it a go the last six games of the year.

[DallasCowpoke111]

That is a very New York comment....

Ohhhhh, well in that case, I HATED it!!! ;)

http://www.dennishayden.com/graphics/pace1.jpg
NEWWW YORK CITYYYY!!!???... Get'a rope!!

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, I don't see a problem giving Julius the extra four days to practice. I'd like to see him this weekend, but the wiser move is giving him a few extra days of rest before giving it a go the last six games of the year.


And maybe getting Drew and Julius starting on the same page.

It would make the Thanksgiving day a little more interesting IMO...if not then maybe the following MNF game. :cool:

[Rack Bauer]

Yeah, I don't see a problem giving Julius the extra four days to practice. I'd like to see him this weekend, but the wiser move is giving him a few extra days of rest before giving it a go the last six games of the year.


Hopefully JuJo can play in the T-Day game.

[CowboyManDan]

Yeah, I don't see a problem giving Julius the extra four days to practice. I'd like to see him this weekend, but the wiser move is giving him a few extra days of rest before giving it a go the last six games of the year.

I agree. He just got back to practice today. He hasn't taken a real hit or practiced the offense since the injury. Don't rush him in before he's ready.

Even at that, don't expect him to get 25 carries in his first game back people. Chances are he'll get worked in.

[Kittymama]

You can not make all of the people happy all of the time.

Someone will ALWAYS find something to complain about.

I swear there are people on this board that I am convinced if they just won a Huge 1 billion dollar lottery...they would complain about something that goes along with getting the money....ugghh cry...I have to get up to early in the morning to get to the office and show my winning ticket. (just a silly example)

Some are the variety that is darned if you do and darned if you don't...you never win with a whiner :p

Oh I agree. That's why coaches have to be arrogant. They have to ignore all the armchair coaches because there are so many differing opinions. And they know full well that if they get it wrong, they're fired.

[starfrombirth]

Yeah, I don't see a problem giving Julius the extra four days to practice. I'd like to see him this weekend, but the wiser move is giving him a few extra days of rest before giving it a go the last six games of the year.


Plus remember: Conditioning excercise is not the same as actual practice with the team. He needs to run with the line and other players to get timing and rythm down. Remember he hasn't caught a pass out of the backfield, picked up a blitz, hit the #3 hole, etc in over 2 months. Definately the smart thing to do. :D

[BUSDRIV3RDH]

NOTICE:

For those who assume that I have it out for Parcells, I don't.

I can live with this explanation, easily...and it's the first time that he's said it this way...in the past he has always said, "As long as we have a chance to be in the playoffs, Henson sits"

This is a very different situation and explanation...and one, HELLLLLO Parcells bootlickers, that I can live with easily because 1)It's in the player's best interest. 2) Parcells sees the kid every day and he obviously knows alot more than the rest of us do 3) Because he isn't going to tie Henson's playing time to the team's chances of making the playoffs, which anyone with eyes in their head could see ended about 5 games into the season.

So ya see, a reasonable explanation, as opposed to calling people out for even just asking the question, makes all the difference.

Done. That's all I needed to hear from Parcells...it's about the player...not the team's chances of making the playoffs...fine with me...no more posts from me about Henson.

Thanks for the post KM...


I couldn't agree more--Bill finally said what should have been said the second this controversary amungst the fans started. But better late than never.

I still have to say that I do have a problem with him not seeing limited action towards the end of games, regardless of Bill's explanation. A series here or there is not going to put this guy into some mental nightmare state for the rest of his life. And if that is a question, maybe we should just cut our loses before we ever see him hit the field, god knows we don't want another Hutch to step behind center.

So now a whole new array of questions have been risen...

If Bill can have such undying devoted faith for a guy like Quincy last year and absolutey none for Henson in a tanked season this year...what's he saying between the lines?

[wileedog]

Why aren't you putting in Henson when NY is putting in Manning? Just don't think the circumstances right now aren't conducive to him being successful. That's the best way I can put it. I know everyone saying "what do you have to lose?" Well, what you have to lose is the player. Put a player in the wrong circumstances at the wrong time & you can lose the player. (Now using boxing analogy) I want to know about the player, but I don't think this is the time. That's it, & you'll have to get used to it. It's not me being hard-headed, it's me being in a much better position to evaluate the player & how he's doing. It's a combination of currently all the things I see, what I've witnessed with the team, what we have going right now, Drew's situation. I'm not ruling anything out, but I've got the most information to evaluate.

Very interesting.

Bill's not adverse to throwing rookies to the wolves - see Bledose: Drew. Maybe we all made a little too much of an assumption however on Drew's promotion to #2 as far as his readiness.

Unfortunately.

But as Juke mentioned a far more satisfying (for lack of a better word) answer then "because I said so."

[wileedog]

If Bill can have such undying devoted faith for a guy like Quincy last year and absolutey none for Henson in a tanked season this year...what's he saying between the lines?

That Hutch was a worse QB than Vinny?

[Portland Fanatic]

I bet if the schedule were different Drew would be playing this weekend...say Washington, then Seattle, with no short week. If the answer to this is yes...this I'm still pissed for not playing him now. Sick of the velvet glove treatment.

If the answer is Drew is still not ready...well, then I'm worried. Either sucks!

[Jimz31]

I seem to remember BP saying that he would look for ways to get DH in there. Whether we were blowing someone out or if we are getting blown out.

He's had his chances to get him in there and still didn't do it.

What about Romo, then? Wouldn't it be good to get HIM some experience should VT go down?

BP certainly can't use the "He's been away from football..." excuse for Romo.

[Hostile]

I didn't think what Kitty said was insulting . . .

Unless being called a "Bill hater" is an insult to you.
Not to me personally. I don't think I've been labeled a Parcells hater. If I have I missed that one. However, but labeling people haters and apologists has pushed emotions over the edge here in past and I'd just prefer we avoid that kind of inflammatory tone here. If people are critical of a player or coach it doesn't need to mean they get labeled.

[Kittymama]

If Bill can have such undying devoted faith for a guy like Quincy last year and absolutey none for Henson in a tanked season this year...what's he saying between the lines?

I kinda think it wasn't because he had such faith in Q but because he didn't have any better options at the time. We saw his true opinion of Q this summer when he was cut so unceremoniously (not trying to resurrect any conspiracy theories here).

I may be reading too much between the lines, but I think he actually has very high expectations for Henson. I think he's trying to get the kid as up to speed as possible (yes yes, there's Big Ben, but Henson hasn't played football at all in a couple of years). Meanwhile, Bill takes the heat of the complaints while keeping the pressure off Henson.

[Kittymama]

Not to me personally. I don't think I've been labeled a Parcelsl hater. If I have I missed that one. However, but labeling people haters and apologists has pushed emotions over the edge here in past and I'd just prefer we avoid that kind of inflammatory tone here. If people are critical of a player or coach it doesn't need to mean they get labeled.

Ok, my bad. You will see that some folks have labeled themselves as Bill haters in another thread, which is where I was getting it. But I'll be better behaved tomorrow.

Guess I'm picking up Bill's bad ways & being short-tempered with the press. ;)

[Midswat]

Not to me personally. I don't think I've been labeled a Parcelsl hater. If I have I missed that one. However, but labeling people haters and apologists has pushed emotions over the edge here in past and I'd just prefer we avoid that kind of inflammatory tone here. If people are critical of a player or coach it doesn't need to mean they get labeled.


Well you're obviously a "People who lable other people as haters" hater . . .

[Hostile]

LOL, if Parcells is nothing else, he IS funny and entertaining.

That closing banter w/ Steve Dennis about "I want you to name me 5 DB's who are impact makers for their teams, and you better send out for Chinese", was classic!

MAN I love being able to watch the PC's live on the Cowboys Channel!!!
I can get that channel here in Tucson if I move out of the city and into the county. Not fair.

[Kittymama]

Very interesting.

Bill's not adverse to throwing rookies to the wolves - see Bledose: Drew. Maybe we all made a little too much of an assumption however on Drew's promotion to #2 as far as his readiness.

Unfortunately.

But as Juke mentioned a far more satisfying (for lack of a better word) answer then "because I said so."

Actually, BP's explanation didn't seem to be as much about Henson's readiness as the state of the team overall. He kept stressing that it was a variety of factors. I kinda take that as a combination of lack of WRs, lack of running game, etc. His one comment that I didn't capture very well, was sort of a throwaway, but intimating that the decision isn't locked in stone. It's very likely that once JuJo is really back & effective, plus Crayton is fully healthy (& some of the others can actually catch balls), Bill's assessment may change. Anyway, that's how I was interpreting his comments.

[Erik_H]

Very interesting.

Bill's not adverse to throwing rookies to the wolves - see Bledose: Drew. Maybe we all made a little too much of an assumption however on Drew's promotion to #2 as far as his readiness.

Unfortunately.

But as Juke mentioned a far more satisfying (for lack of a better word) answer then "because I said so."

This time around I'd say Bill came the closest he'll be liely to come as far as the reason for keeping Henson out. What he's tryign to do is keep his team positive. If he actually came out and said the full truth. he would be directly assaulting many other players on the team.

The true reason is this: Our supporting cast on the whole is not playing well.

Look at Pittsburgh. You have Ward & Burress, Staley and now Bettis running well. It's a situation that helps Rothlesbergermeistermeisterberger succeed.

Look at NY. There's a very solid running game with Tiki playing the best he ever has and Warner quite obviously playign badly.

Look at us. We have NO running game and Vinny is not the cause of our problems.

Dropping Henson into this situation right now is a bad idea. I believe that he wants to try to get the running game a bit more solid before putting Henson in. So hopefully Jones comes in for Thanks giving and Henson starts the following week. These are two very important pieces and I'm bettign that startign them both for the first tiem at the same time is a dangerous option.

[LaTunaNostra]

Thanks again KM.....but I wonder why ESPN carried the pc live (according to another thread) if the biggest news was JJ has been cleared for practice.

[Kittymama]

Label me a Parcells hater.

I think he's a turd.

Ok, tomorrow I'll call him Turdboy! :D

[Everlastingxxx]

This time around I'd say Bill came the closest he'll be liely to come as far as the reason for keeping Henson out. What he's tryign to do is keep his team positive. If he actually came out and said the full truth. he would be directly assaulting many other players on the team.

The true reason is this: Our supporting cast on the whole is not playing well.

Look at Pittsburgh. You have Ward & Burress, Staley and now Bettis running well. It's a situation that helps Rothlesbergermeistermeisterberger succeed.

Look at NY. There's a very solid running game with Tiki playing the best he ever has and Warner quite obviously playign badly.

Look at us. We have NO running game and Vinny is not the cause of our problems.

Dropping Henson into this situation right now is a bad idea. I believe that he wants to try to get the running game a bit more solid before putting Henson in. So hopefully Jones comes in for Thanks giving and Henson starts the following week. These are two very important pieces and I'm bettign that startign them both for the first tiem at the same time is a dangerous option.

Man i wish some of you would actually read these kindof posts. They are on the mark. Words of wisdom crying in the wind.

[bysbox1]

That is a very New York comment...love it.

I wonder if the local writers had to look up the meaning in their "New York to Texas" translation guide.

:)


New York = "Better send out for Chinese"
Texas = "Better order Papa John's"

[Kittymama]

Thanks again KM.....but I wonder why ESPN carried the pc live (according to another thread) if the biggest news was JJ has been cleared for practice.

It's what I said in another thread. Love him or hate him, the media LOVE to carry him because his PCs are always entertaining. If he blows up at a reporter, it makes for great TV. If he's in a good mood & making jokes, it makes for great TV. If he's being contemplative, it makes for great TV.

You notice that they don't carry, say, Mumbles' PCs! (Is there a smiley that shows someone snoring?)

[Portland Fanatic]

As much as I want to fight it Henson will not start until the Seattle game along with JJ's first start...then hopefully Morgan will be more up to speed and fully healed.

I can live with that...just don't want too! Looks like I will be going to that game after all...gotta see both of them for myself!

[Hostile]

Ok, my bad. You will see that some folks have labeled themselves as Bill haters in another thread, which is where I was getting it. But I'll be better behaved tomorrow.

Guess I'm picking up Bill's bad ways & being short-tempered with the press. ;)
LOL

Nothing to it Kittymama. My username makes people automatically assume I'm angry.

I just don't want tempers to escalate over opinions and cause people to get bent out of shape.

People are going to be critical and we can either accept that or get hurt feelings. If people are calling themselves Bill Haters is that any reason for them to be hated themselves?

That is where it will head to if we simply allow the labels to get too firmly attached. I'm critical of everybody but don't hate anybody. Does that make sense?

[Hostile]

Ok, tomorrow I'll call him Turdboy! :D
Please don't. ;)

[Kittymama]

Hey, I'm famous! My report here got picked up by another board!

(I used to post there, but I'm being a tempermental diva & boycotting them for the season right because they're big meanies who keep picking on my Turdboy! Still read them occasionally. :) )

[Kittymama]

ROFL!!! DC.com is carrying Billick's Q&A with the Dallas reporters right now! His first sentence, & he's already used about 15 20-letter words! (Did anyone see the "In Their Own Words" on Billick? There was a hilarious bit where Sabol ran a montage of Billick's long-windedness, intercut with Sabol's expressions.)

[T-New41]

NOTICE:

For those who assume that I have it out for Parcells, I don't.

I can live with this explanation, easily...and it's the first time that he's said it this way...in the past he has always said, "As long as we have a chance to be in the playoffs, Henson sits"

This is a very different situation and explanation...and one, HELLLLLO Parcells bootlickers, that I can live with easily because 1)It's in the player's best interest. 2) Parcells sees the kid every day and he obviously knows alot more than the rest of us do 3) Because he isn't going to tie Henson's playing time to the team's chances of making the playoffs, which anyone with eyes in their head could see ended about 5 games into the season.

So ya see, a reasonable explanation, as opposed to calling people out for even just asking the question, makes all the difference.

Done. That's all I needed to hear from Parcells...it's about the player...not the team's chances of making the playoffs...fine with me...no more posts from me about Henson.

Thanks for the post KM...

I agree 100%. As much as I would like to see the kid play, Bill is right. When Henson plays it will be the right time. Really thats all Bill needed to say in the first place.

[Juke99]

He may indeed have had that in mind.

But then again just being nice does not work for one...Didn't work for Campo in the press and he was always a nice guy and they went WAY to far in ripping that guy on occasion.

If a team is bad...no matter what the coach says there will be those fans and media who will rip on them....no matter if they are nice or not.

Vermeil gets a pass because people are afraid he will have a hallmark moment. :p


I agree, to a certain degree.....but there is a way to be stern without turning people into a lynch mob...and there's a way to be nice, without being seen as a "poodle"

Ultimately, you are correct...winning solves all problems.

[chinch]

I couldn't agree more--Bill finally said what should have been said the second this controversary amungst the fans started. But better late than never.
Riiiiiiight.

Tuna should scour the message boards of fanatics and waste time retorting to anonymous non-experts who disagree with his coaching the team. LOL.

Gimme a break.

[Juke99]

I agree 100%. As much as I would like to see the kid play, Bill is right. When Henson plays it will be the right time. Really thats all Bill needed to say in the first place.


On the NOSEY!

I am not foolish enough to think that I know when Henson is ready to play...the way Parcells has stated it here, he is in fact looking out for the future of the franchise...and Henson..

And that's fine with me.

Not even a topic for discussion any longer in my book.

[Jimz31]

Random thoughts................didn't BP say that if the QB can't handle it (pressure) find a different job and other things to that effect?

Now, he's worried about his QB being able to handle it.

He's thrown rookies in there before....granted not one that hasn't seen the field in 3+ years, but if he's THAT worried about him, get the wussy off the team (tongue in cheek, people).

If he's THAT worried about him, why'd he move him up to #2? If the reason is the 3+ years away.....

Sorry, but I'm not buying the BS that he is selling. You guys can listen to his explanation and accept it....but I for one just believe that he is doing what he does best....blow smoke up everybody's butt and have them asking him to do it again.

[jterrell]

I am not sure why this gets so much play honestly.

You couldn't play Henson before the eagles game because there was simply too good a chance to turn things around still when we faced a 2-5 Cincy team. After that game when the seaosn was officially int he crapper we had to face Philly and Balitmore. Not exactly defenses you want a rookie QB cutting teeth against.

BP has to answer these questions in such a way as to not offend VT, DH or alienate the team by saying yea we suck. Coughlin has officially done that with his move and so has Gibbs. BP wants to wait and play Henson against friendlier defenses with a little more support around him.

[Rack Bauer]

Now, he's worried about his QB being able to handle it.


Maybe BP thinks he can handle it, but just doesn't think he's ready to do so? Ever think of that.

Putting in Henson right now would be a dumb move. BP isn't a dumb coach so obviously he's handling this the correct way. Henson will likely start against Seattle. No need to get your panties in a bunch cuz it's not gonna change the coaches mind.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Random thoughts................didn't BP say that if the QB can't handle it (pressure) find a different job and other things to that effect?

Now, he's worried about his QB being able to handle it.

He's thrown rookies in there before....granted not one that hasn't seen the field in 3+ years, but if he's THAT worried about him, get the wussy off the team (tongue in cheek, people).

If he's THAT worried about him, why'd he move him up to #2? If the reason is the 3+ years away.....

Sorry, but I'm not buying the BS that he is selling. You guys can listen to his explanation and accept it....but I for one just believe that he is doing what he does best....blow smoke up everybody's butt and have them asking him to do it again.


What is so hard or so wrong...with wanting the Rookie QB to have a running game (Julius Jones playing) and the WR corp in better condition (Q.Morgan coming back 100% and Crayton getting more exp) before putting him into the game?

Why do so many think there is some crazy conspiracy with bill that he is not saying....I think some people actually believe bill is only holding Henson out so far because of one of the following reasons...(and before you laugh I have actually read some members of this board say these reasons)...

1. Bill is still loyal to the Giants and only wants to screw the cowboys over...yes I have read this.

2. Bill just wants VT to stay in because V is his guy and Drew is not (although it has been said that Bill was just impressed with Drew and on board to bring him in to become a cowboy in the first place).

3. Bill is just saying this stuff to make the media...and fans, of a message board, mad.

4. Bill is senile.

5. Even though none of us sees the practices of the Cowboys, we all know that Henson is the better option and is ready to play.



I honestly think some of this just comes down to either hate of bill...or flat out one thinking they know best and nobody will tell them otherwise.

There is no rational reason to get so upset as to believe that everytime he says something to the reports as to why he is not starting henson...is a lie.


Ok...Vent off....return to your regularly scheduled program.

[Jimz31]

Maybe BP thinks he can handle it, but just doesn't think he's ready to do so? Ever think of that.

Putting in Henson right now would be a dumb move. BP isn't a dumb coach so obviously he's handling this the correct way. Henson will likely start against Seattle. No need to get your panties in a bunch cuz it's not gonna change the coaches mind.

Uh, gee wiz....your right. :rolleyes:

Let's not even give the kid a CHANCE to do it....after all....what BP THINKS must be reality, right?

And no, in the blow outs that we had, it WOULDN'T have been stupid to put him in there. I still maintain that it was stupid NOT too.

It seems we'll just go on what people THINK may happen.....BP THOUGHT that Simms wasn't as good a QB as the other guy he had when Simms was young....good "thinking" there.

[Jimz31]

What is so hard or so wrong...with wanting the Rookie QB to have a running game (Julius Jones playing) and the WR corp in better condition (Q.Morgan coming back 100% and Crayton getting more exp) before putting him into the game?

Why do so many think there is some crazy conspiracy with bill that he is not saying....I think some people actually believe bill is only holding Henson out so far because of one of the following reasons...(and before you laugh I have actually read some members of this board say these reasons)...

1. Bill is still loyal to the Giants and only wants to screw the cowboys over...yes I have read this.

2. Bill just wants VT to stay in because V is his guy and Drew is not (although it has been said that Bill was just impressed with Drew and on board to bring him in to become a cowboy in the first place).

3. Bill is just saying this stuff to make the media...and fans, of a message board, mad.

4. Bill is senile.

5. Even though none of us sees the practices of the Cowboys, we all know that Henson is the better option and is ready to play.



I honestly think some of this just comes down to either hate of bill...or flat out one thinking they know best and nobody will tell them otherwise.

There is no rational reason to get so upset as to believe that everytime he says something to the reports as to why he is not starting henson...is a lie.


Ok...Vent off....return to your regularly scheduled program.

Wow....you sound so much like me a couple of years ago.

Seriously though....DH has been away from the field for over 3 years.....starting next season would make it 4. Do we not want him to get SOME experience prior to that point? What good is just ONE game going to do if BP lets him start the last week of the season? I'm not saying start him today.....I do however, think that he should start prior to week 14.

Either that, or DH sucks more than any of us know.

[Kittymama]

Let's not even give the kid a CHANCE to do it....after all....what BP THINKS must be reality, right?

And what you think IS reality?

Hmm, given that Bill sees the team on a daily basis, has 20+ years of experience, & you don't (see them or have 20 years of coaching experience), I think I'll go with Bill's reality.

[Kittymama]

What is so hard or so wrong...with wanting the Rookie QB to have a running game (Julius Jones playing) and the WR corp in better condition (Q.Morgan coming back 100% and Crayton getting more exp) before putting him into the game?

Why do so many think there is some crazy conspiracy with bill that he is not saying....I think some people actually believe bill is only holding Henson out so far because of one of the following reasons...(and before you laugh I have actually read some members of this board say these reasons)...

1. Bill is still loyal to the Giants and only wants to screw the cowboys over...yes I have read this.

2. Bill just wants VT to stay in because V is his guy and Drew is not (although it has been said that Bill was just impressed with Drew and on board to bring him in to become a cowboy in the first place).

3. Bill is just saying this stuff to make the media...and fans, of a message board, mad.

4. Bill is senile.

5. Even though none of us sees the practices of the Cowboys, we all know that Henson is the better option and is ready to play.



I honestly think some of this just comes down to either hate of bill...or flat out one thinking they know best and nobody will tell them otherwise.

There is no rational reason to get so upset as to believe that everytime he says something to the reports as to why he is not starting henson...is a lie.


Ok...Vent off....return to your regularly scheduled program.

Dead on the money! I've really been stunned at some of the posts. I just have to hope that some of them were actually meant as irony.

[Bababooey]

What is so hard or so wrong...with wanting the Rookie QB to have a running game (Julius Jones playing) and the WR corp in better condition (Q.Morgan coming back 100% and Crayton getting more exp) before putting him into the game?

Why do so many think there is some crazy conspiracy with bill that he is not saying....I think some people actually believe bill is only holding Henson out so far because of one of the following reasons...(and before you laugh I have actually read some members of this board say these reasons)...

1. Bill is still loyal to the Giants and only wants to screw the cowboys over...yes I have read this.

2. Bill just wants VT to stay in because V is his guy and Drew is not (although it has been said that Bill was just impressed with Drew and on board to bring him in to become a cowboy in the first place).

3. Bill is just saying this stuff to make the media...and fans, of a message board, mad.

4. Bill is senile.

5. Even though none of us sees the practices of the Cowboys, we all know that Henson is the better option and is ready to play.



I honestly think some of this just comes down to either hate of bill...or flat out one thinking they know best and nobody will tell them otherwise.

There is no rational reason to get so upset as to believe that everytime he says something to the reports as to why he is not starting henson...is a lie.


Ok...Vent off....return to your regularly scheduled program.

you left a couple of things off....

6. Bill hates children and old people

7. Bill is a member of the communist party.

All kidding aside, can you handle the truth? Bill's answer isnt always the right one. He can say whatever he wants in his press conference, that means little to me. Until he shows me he is capable of making sound personnel decisions (which he has yet to do in his tenure here) then every one that he makes will be scrutinized.

I dont agree with him on Henson and I dont like it and that hasnt changed regardless of what kind of mood he was in today.

[Jimz31]

And what you think IS reality?

Hmm, given that Bill sees the team on a daily basis, has 20+ years of experience, & you don't (see them or have 20 years of coaching experience), I think I'll go with Bill's reality.

No, what I'm saying is that just because BP THINKS something, doesn't mean that it is right.

I'm saying let's see reality IN ACTION. No way ANYTHING can be determined otherwise.

The proof is in the pudding, they say.....not for BP. The proof is in his thoughts.

[silver]

If Bill can have such undying devoted faith for a guy like Quincy last year and absolutey none for Henson in a tanked season this year...what's he saying between the lines?

He being consistent. Last year he stuck with Quincy and this year he'll stick with Vinny. And if next year he names Henson the starter, rest assured he'll stick with him through thick & thin. One thing I admire about Parcells is that he won't allow the media or Jerry bully him into making personell decisions.

[Jimz31]

OK, OK...I'm convinced....Drew henson would have been ruined for life if he got in there at the end of last week's game. :rolleyes:

[Chuck 54]

On the NOSEY!

I am not foolish enough to think that I know when Henson is ready to play...the way Parcells has stated it here, he is in fact looking out for the future of the franchise...and Henson..

And that's fine with me.

Not even a topic for discussion any longer in my book.
nope, the topic now changes to, "Is Henson sitting because the defenses he would face are too good? and we're too bad on offense?" or "Is Henson sitting because he's not very good and doesn't look like he can run a scout team?" :)

My guess is that Henson is pretty crappy right now...as I would have expected after playing baseball and getting very little training in the NFL's minor-league (college). Obviously, he's not impressing anyone in practice...if he was, we'd have been hearing about it by now. Let's say BP finally puts him in as the starter after Thanksgiving when he has a long extended preparation period and suddenly he lights it up and plays great....then people are going to think BP screwed up our season by being stubborn and too loyal to Vinny...it's a no win situation for Parcells.

If Henson was ready for the NFL, he'd be playing some now and then. The Bengals' defense wasn't a huge fear factor...the bottom line was that Vinny was better...that's sad. Now, we're so afraid of the Philly and Baltimore defenses that he can't play yet? I don't buy that...where are they ranked? I didn't see Vinny getting killed Monday night or even facing all that much pressure...the Philly corners weren't exactly probowlers either.

Nope, I think if you give Parcells the benefit of the doubt on knowing his players, which is exactly what Madden's comment meant too, then you have to assume that Henson is fairly unimpressive in practice, too rusty, and not ready for prime time. To think he's only sitting because the defenses are too good is BS. If the defenses aren't too tough for Vinny, then Henson is clearly not even close to being ready to duplicate even Vinny's performances, which while stellar for a 40 year old are not going to get him any all star votes with 11 td's and 11 int's.

[blindzebra]

He being consistent. Last year he stuck with Quincy and this year he'll stick with Vinny. And if next year he names Henson the starter, rest assured he'll stick with him through thick & thin. One thing I admire about Parcells is that he won't allow the media or Jerry bully him into making personell decisions.

Perfect, then we have a starting QB with ZERO NFL game experience 4+ years removed from playing, BRILLIANT. :rolleyes:

[Chuck 54]

Random thoughts................didn't BP say that if the QB can't handle it (pressure) find a different job and other things to that effect?

Now, he's worried about his QB being able to handle it.

He's thrown rookies in there before....granted not one that hasn't seen the field in 3+ years, but if he's THAT worried about him, get the wussy off the team (tongue in cheek, people).

If he's THAT worried about him, why'd he move him up to #2? If the reason is the 3+ years away.....

Sorry, but I'm not buying the BS that he is selling. You guys can listen to his explanation and accept it....but I for one just believe that he is doing what he does best....blow smoke up everybody's butt and have them asking him to do it again.
Let's not give much consideration to the fact that Henson is number 2 when the only guy he had to leap frog was a free agent bum like Romo.

[blindzebra]

nope, the topic now changes to, "Is Henson sitting because the defenses he would face are too good? and we're too bad on offense?" or "Is Henson sitting because he's not very good and doesn't look like he can run a scout team?" :)

My guess is that Henson is pretty crappy right now...as I would have expected after playing baseball and getting very little training in the NFL's minor-league (college). Obviously, he's not impressing anyone in practice...if he was, we'd have been hearing about it by now. Let's say BP finally puts him in as the starter after Thanksgiving when he has a long extended preparation period and suddenly he lights it up and plays great....then people are going to think BP screwed up our season by being stubborn and too loyal to Vinny...it's a no win situation for Parcells.

If Henson was ready for the NFL, he'd be playing some now and then. The Bengals' defense wasn't a huge fear factor...the bottom line was that Vinny was better...that's sad. Now, we're so afraid of the Philly and Baltimore defenses that he can't play yet? I don't but that...where are they ranked? I didn't see Vinny getting killed Monday night or even facing all that much pressure...the Philly corners weren't exactly probowlers either.

Nope, I think if you give Parcells the benefit of the doubt on knowing his players, which is exactly what Madden's comment meant too, then you have to assume that Henson is fairly unimpressive in practice, too rusty, and not ready for prime time. To think he's only sitting because the defenses are too good is BS. If the defenses aren't too tough for Vinny, then Henson is clearly not even close to being ready to duplicate even Vinny's performances, which while stellar for a 40 year old are not going to get him any all star votes with 11 td's and 11 int's.

I guess you missed him moving to back up, BECAUSE HE WAS DOING SO WELL IN PRACTICE, that came directly from Parcells.

Parcells also spoke very highly of him to the GB and Philly media in his conference calls. The info is out there, it just does not get out to the Dallas media.

[blindzebra]

Let's not give much consideration to the fact that Henson is number 2 when the only guy he had to leap frog was a free agent bum like Romo.

First you say, I trust Parcells, and then you say we have two crappy QBs as back ups. Which is it? Bill knows what he's doing, or he doesn't?

[Chuck 54]

I guess you missed him moving to back up, BECAUSE HE WAS DOING SO WELL IN PRACTICE, that came directly from Parcells.

Parcells also spoke very highly of him to the GB and Philly media in his conference calls. The info is out there, it just does not get out to the Dallas media.
again, who the hell did he move past? Romo, a free agent bum who has never taken a snap in an NFL game...please...anyone who thinks Romo actually has a shelf life in the NFL needs a reality check...I'll bet he's not even on the roster next season.

[Chuck 54]

First you say, I trust Parcells, and then you say we have two crappy QBs as back ups. Which is it? Bill knows what he's doing, or he doesn't?
wow....I can't help but be insulting if you can't grasp how those two work together...<knock knock>....of course Bill is doing the right thing...we don't have a backup QB on the roster who's worth a damn...Henson may be someday, Romo will never be....IF Bill had a better option, he'd use it...he doesn't, and Vinny plays....how hard is that to understand?

Only an idiot would put Henson in if he's not ready for the NFL...Bill's no idiot. But you want me to buy the other lame excuses??? He's protecting Henson from humiliation and the type of season ending that Chad Hutchinson had.

[junk]

QBs always cause such fiesty dialogue around here. :D

Do I think Henson will get some PT this year. Sure. Do I think throwing him in against Baltimore with a terrible running game and banged up receivers is a great idea? No.

Everyone wants Henson to get some PT in garbage time, but I really don't think it is all that useful. The team is playing at its highest level. The defense may just be running blitzes or playing vanilla schemes.

Personally, I think Jones comes back sometime soon. After Thanksgiving, Bill tells Henson to be ready and gives him the 11 days to prepare. More than normal game preparation and it gives Henson to come into a game from beginning to end on his terms, not to mop up some mess. He gets to apply what he saw in film and attempt to execute a game plan custom tailored to fit his skills vs the defense that week. He has the benefit of two healthy vet receivers (Morgan/Key) and Crayton has had some more seasoning. That, to me, is meaningful. If things go well, the team can establish if Henson is the direction they want to go next year. Henson develops some chemistry with the young guys and the team has some positive momentum heading into the offseason where it is Drew's job to lose. That is my ideal situation.

There will be growing pains in 2005, no doubt. They will be lessened by getting Henson PT. However, valuable PT, earned by having a week of prep time knowing you are the starter is much more valuable than preparing all week as the #2 and getting in down by 21 with 2 minutes left. What good does that do?

[Juke99]

nope, the topic now changes to, "Is Henson sitting because the defenses he would face are too good? and we're too bad on offense?" or "Is Henson sitting because he's not very good and doesn't look like he can run a scout team?" :)

My guess is that Henson is pretty crappy right now...as I would have expected after playing baseball and getting very little training in the NFL's minor-league (college). Obviously, he's not impressing anyone in practice...if he was, we'd have been hearing about it by now. Let's say BP finally puts him in as the starter after Thanksgiving when he has a long extended preparation period and suddenly he lights it up and plays great....then people are going to think BP screwed up our season by being stubborn and too loyal to Vinny...it's a no win situation for Parcells.

If Henson was ready for the NFL, he'd be playing some now and then. The Bengals' defense wasn't a huge fear factor...the bottom line was that Vinny was better...that's sad. Now, we're so afraid of the Philly and Baltimore defenses that he can't play yet? I don't buy that...where are they ranked? I didn't see Vinny getting killed Monday night or even facing all that much pressure...the Philly corners weren't exactly probowlers either.

Nope, I think if you give Parcells the benefit of the doubt on knowing his players, which is exactly what Madden's comment meant too, then you have to assume that Henson is fairly unimpressive in practice, too rusty, and not ready for prime time. To think he's only sitting because the defenses are too good is BS. If the defenses aren't too tough for Vinny, then Henson is clearly not even close to being ready to duplicate even Vinny's performances, which while stellar for a 40 year old are not going to get him any all star votes with 11 td's and 11 int's.


Phil Simms on the subject Tuesday night, re Eli Manning...

He said that blitzing defenses were actually the easiest for him as a rookie because all he had to do was take the snap and throw the ball to the hot WR...no thinking involved....he felt it was much more difficult when he had to make his reads and progressions...I imagine defenes that do a good job of disguising their coverages would be harder for an inexperienced QB than a blitzing defense...

He also said that the most over-used excuse for holding out a rookie was that they make mistakes....it was his opinion that he sees vet QB's making the same mistakes, ie, throwing into coverages that rookies do..

Of course, this was his read and he was, in fact, a very bright guy.

I think Parcells is confident enough that he can get the blitz blocked....if you recall in training camp last year, he told QC, "You'll be begging them to blitz you"...so I don't think it's the defenses.

Perhaps, it's as simple as, he KNOWS we have no running game and are way too one dimensional for a kid QB....

Whatever...my brain hurts....and I do not want to consider the possibilities that Henson is not going to cut it...


:eek:

[CowboyManDan]

Keep in mind all, that although Henson hasn't gotten any regular season gameplay so far...he is practicing football almost everyday. Sounds obvious, but that's something he hasn't done for the past few years.
And he's played preseason games.
And he's running the scout team in practices.
And he's moved up from #3 to #2, and has to prepare for each game as the backup in case he has to go in.
All that stuff is far away from what he was doing. And my guess is Parcells is trying to ease this progression rather than it be a total crash course.

Trust me, no one wants to see Henson play as much I do. Parcells finally tried to explain more in today's PC, and we have to try to trust him that he'll play Henson when he thinks it's best. That said, you gotta think Henson will play by week 14 (game 13). And that will at least get his feet wet for next year and give him things to work on over the offseason.

[chicago JK]

Keep in mind all, that although Henson hasn't gotten any regular season gameplay so far...he is practicing football almost everyday. Sounds obvious, but that's something he hasn't done for the past few years.
And he's played preseason games.
And he's running the scout team in practices.
And he's moved up from #3 to #2, and has to prepare for each game as the backup in case he has to go in.
All that stuff is far away from what he was doing. And my guess is Parcells is trying to ease this progression rather than it be a total crash course.

Trust me, no one wants to see Henson play as much I do. Parcells finally tried to explain more in today's PC, and we have to try to trust him that he'll play Henson when he thinks it's best. That said, you gotta think Henson will play by week 14 (game 13). And that will at least get his feet wet for next year and give him things to work on over the offseason.
Very nice thoughts CMD

[wileedog]

No, what I'm saying is that just because BP THINKS something, doesn't mean that it is right.

I'm saying let's see reality IN ACTION. No way ANYTHING can be determined otherwise.

The proof is in the pudding, they say.....not for BP. The proof is in his thoughts.

Until you are consistently watching Dallas' practice sessions you are simply not in a position to judge. The truth is we have *NO* idea what Drew looks like in practice, other than he probably looks better than Tony Romo.

You are saying its impossible for Bill to make a judgement call based on what he sees in practice as to what Drew will do in a game. And yet you are basing Drew's ability to play now on rumors on the internet and from bored, speculating sportswriters.

I want Drew to play as much as anyone, and I don't believe in coddling rookie QBs - the sooner they get their brands in the fire, the better. But if watching him everyday Bill doesn't think the situation is right and/or that Drew is capable of even taking the first steps (especially with a depleted surrounding cast), then I have to go with that opinion.

You can disagree with it all you want, but you simply are not in a position to call it "stupid" because you don't have the same info he does.

[junk]

Another factor is all of this I forgot to mention. I knew Henson was talented, but frankly I was blown away by his play in preseason. I expected serious rust after 3 seasons away. Instead I saw a QB who looked as good as any other rookie QB in the preseason. Maybe we are all getting our expectations up due to the good preseason play? Henson has had some pretty major obstacles to overcome and from all accounts he is doing just that.

I still think we see him this year, but I am willing to be patient.

[Doomsday101]

Until you are consistently watching Dallas' practice sessions you are simply not in a position to judge. The truth is we have *NO* idea what Drew looks like in practice, other than he probably looks better than Tony Romo.

You are saying its impossible for Bill to make a judgement call based on what he sees in practice as to what Drew will do in a game. And yet you are basing Drew's ability to play now on rumors on the internet and from bored, speculating sportswriters.

I want Drew to play as much as anyone, and I don't believe in coddling rookie QBs - the sooner they get their brands in the fire, the better. But if watching him everyday Bill doesn't think the situation is right and/or that Drew is capable of even taking the first steps (especially with a depleted surrounding cast), then I have to go with that opinion.

You can disagree with it all you want, but you simply are not in a position to call it "stupid" because you don't have the same info he does.

That has been my argument as well, these guys do not just practice so they can have something to do between Monday and Sat. Too many act as if this is some sunday game of pickup football at the play ground, Parcells see these guys during the week and he sees them in the meeting he knows where they are in their developement yet some guy who watches the game on Sunday thinks he knows better and I ask based on what?

[Jimz31]

Come on guys.....let's all just agree that DH would be ruined if he went into the games where we were getting blown out. This is what BP is wanting us to believe and it seems as though some DO believe it.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wow....you sound so much like me a couple of years ago.

Seriously though....DH has been away from the field for over 3 years.....starting next season would make it 4. Do we not want him to get SOME experience prior to that point? What good is just ONE game going to do if BP lets him start the last week of the season? I'm not saying start him today.....I do however, think that he should start prior to week 14.

Either that, or DH sucks more than any of us know.


Yes it does sound like you last year...which in many ways makes it even more puzzling when you make some of those posts about bill. :cool:

BTW...I do NOT want to wait to see him next season and not play at all this season...However I DO want him to come in when we get Julius Jones back playing healthy, Q.Morgan 100% and maybe get Crayton or Copper a little more exp in the system.

It is going to be hard enough for him with our defense playing the way it is...let's at least wait a week or so before throwing him in...we waited this long..a few more days is not going to change things much. :cool:

And as you said...maybe he does suck more then we know...but I really think it boils down to two things...the reasons I mentioned above..trying to get him in the best position to learn...and also making sure that we are completely out of the running for the playoffs and or a winning season.

The really sad thing about all of this is, it is a position that we are just trying to get someone some exp for the future...I really wish it was a situation where the starter was sucking so bad that we had to make a change...but even though VT has not been great, he is far from this teams problems right now. :mad:

[BrAinPaiNt]

you left a couple of things off....

6. Bill hates children and old people

7. Bill is a member of the communist party.

All kidding aside, can you handle the truth? Bill's answer isnt always the right one. He can say whatever he wants in his press conference, that means little to me. Until he shows me he is capable of making sound personnel decisions (which he has yet to do in his tenure here) then every one that he makes will be scrutinized.

I dont agree with him on Henson and I dont like it and that hasnt changed regardless of what kind of mood he was in today.


I don't think Bill hates old people...if he did we would not have some of the old players on this team. ;) :p

Sure I can handle that he is not always right....Can you handle that sometimes he is and you are just wrong?

[Bababooey]

Can you handle that sometimes he is and you are just wrong?

NO!! I absolutely cannot! :D

[Jimz31]

Yes it does sound like you last year...which in many ways makes it even more puzzling when you make some of those posts about bill. :cool:

BTW...I do NOT want to wait to see him next season and not play at all this season...However I DO want him to come in when we get Julius Jones back playing healthy, Q.Morgan 100% and maybe get Crayton or Copper a little more exp in the system.

It is going to be hard enough for him with our defense playing the way it is...let's at least wait a week or so before throwing him in...we waited this long..a few more days is not going to change things much. :cool:

And as you said...maybe he does suck more then we know...but I really think it boils down to two things...the reasons I mentioned above..trying to get him in the best position to learn...and also making sure that we are completely out of the running for the playoffs and or a winning season.

The really sad thing about all of this is, it is a position that we are just trying to get someone some exp for the future...I really wish it was a situation where the starter was sucking so bad that we had to make a change...but even though VT has not been great, he is far from this teams problems right now. :mad:

My problem lies NOT with him "starting". My problem lies with BP not putting him in there at the end of games where we are going to lose.

Henson OR Romo.....it doesn't really matter at this point. Nobody knows about EITHER guy, but we DO know about VT. Does BP really think that VT will be here next year? If so, just write off Henson then. It's not like Henson is a young pup. Isn't he 25 now? If he sits again next year....will he start at 27 years old? Great, he hits his prime and decline all in the same year....around age 30.

Again....for me, it's not about STARTING him right now....it's getting him some experience in a game situation. Some here say that it wouldn't do any good....please! When a guy has been away as long as he has, ANY experience would be good.

[MichaelWinicki]

Boy this is a tough thread...

But the fact is at some point this season Henson will see significant playing time. It won't be this week and it won't be on Turkey Day I expect, but he will see playing time.

Personally we probably won't be able to tell much one way or the other. The fact is this offense other than Witten and a little bit of Key isn't going to make a re-born Dan Marino look good. It just won't.

We'll end up seeing Henson play in 3-4 games and he'll show as much as Troy Aikman did in 1989 when he ended up going 0-11 and looked like crap doing it.

Henson will look mediocre, we all will fight about it all winter, and then come next fall will be the true test.

But honestly he (Henson) playing the remaing 7 games or the remaining 3 games won't make a whole lotta difference.

[Doomsday101]

Come on guys.....let's all just agree that DH would be ruined if he went into the games where we were getting blown out. This is what BP is wanting us to believe and it seems as though some DO believe it.

I do not see any problem with Henson coming in a game like what took place aginst Philly, but that is not my call to make. As for Henson starting I do not think that will take place until Thanksgiving day or the week after so your still talking about 5 or 6 games left in the season.

[BrAinPaiNt]

My problem lies NOT with him "starting". My problem lies with BP not putting him in there at the end of games where we are going to lose.

Henson OR Romo.....it doesn't really matter at this point. Nobody knows about EITHER guy, but we DO know about VT. Does BP really think that VT will be here next year? If so, just write off Henson then. It's not like Henson is a young pup. Isn't he 25 now? If he sits again next year....will he start at 27 years old? Great, he hits his prime and decline all in the same year....around age 30.

Again....for me, it's not about STARTING him right now....it's getting him some experience in a game situation. Some here say that it wouldn't do any good....please! When a guy has been away as long as he has, ANY experience would be good.


I can live with that...but I would still rather see him come in when we have the others back healthy.

Besides like I said...a few more days will not make that much difference. :cool:

[Jimz31]

Boy this is a tough thread...

But the fact is at some point this season Henson will see significant playing time. It won't be this week and it won't be on Turkey Day I expect, but he will see playing time.

Personally we probably won't be able to tell much one way or the other. The fact is this offense other than Witten and a little bit of Key isn't going to make a re-born Dan Marino look good. It just won't.

We'll end up seeing Henson play in 3-4 games and he'll show as much as Troy Aikman did in 1989 when he ended up going 0-11 and looked like crap doing it.

Henson will look mediocre, we all will fight about it all winter, and then come next fall will be the true test.

But honestly he (Henson) playing the remaing 7 games or the remaining 3 games won't make a whole lotta difference.

So, are you saying that starting him next year, that any experience that he gets this year wouldn't matter? I think it would at least help SOME.

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, are you saying that starting him next year, that any experience that he gets this year wouldn't matter? I think it would at least help SOME.


You missed what he said.

He said he thinks he will start sometime this season...he is just saying that a couple of games of him not starting...is not going to make much difference.

In other words...a few more days (game or two) is not going to make that much of a difference.

I think we all know,or think we know, that he will be starting this season....now it just becomes a question of when.

[crazylegs]

(Don't understand the question, doesn't make sense) The good thing about this game is that there is always next Sunday. Look forward to that & the anticipation that you can make things better.

Why aren't you putting in Henson when NY is putting in Manning? Just don't think the circumstances right now aren't conducive to him being successful. That's the best way I can put it. I know everyone saying "what do you have to lose?" Well, what you have to lose is the player. Put a player in the wrong circumstances at the wrong time & you can lose the player. (Now using boxing analogy) I want to know about the player, but I don't think this is the time. That's it, & you'll have to get used to it. It's not me being hard-headed, it's me being in a much better position to evaluate the player & how he's doing. It's a combination of currently all the things I see, what I've witnessed with the team, what we have going right now, Drew's situation. I'm not ruling anything out, but I've got the most information to evaluate.

Why not put him in at the end of the game? I thought we'd see ??? blitzing, & that's pretty much what we saw. Wouldn't be fair to him.

Is this a case of him not knowing what he doesn't know? I'm not saying that. He came here with the idea of playing & I appreciate that, but that's where we are right now.

What's the difference if Vinny goes down & he goes in? That's a forced option.

Parcells is either the smartest man in the world or the laziest!

With his winning record this year :rolleyes: I suspect the later.

I wonder if Parcells is afraid that Henson might just play good enought, to make Bill look bad for not playing him eariler? :confused:

[MichaelWinicki]

So, are you saying that starting him next year, that any experience that he gets this year wouldn't matter? I think it would at least help SOME.


Jimz, what I am saying the difference between him appearing in 3 games or 5 games won't matter a whole heck of a lot. What will matter is what other offensive talent they surround him with in the offseason combined with what playing time he gets next training camp.

[MichaelWinicki]

Parcells is either the smartest man in the world or the laziest!

With his winning record this year :rolleyes: I suspect the later.

I wonder if Parcells is afraid that Henson might just play good enought, to make Bill look bad for not playing him eariler? :confused:


Oh, give me a break crazy...

I'm not the biggest Bill Pacells "boot licker" but even I find this statement preposterous.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oh, give me a break crazy...

I'm not the biggest Bill Pacells "boot licker" but even I find this statement preposterous.


I agree...it is just crazy...I find the one that bill is still with the giants at heart and is trying to screw the boys over conspiracy a little more. :rolleyes: :p

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree...it is just crazy...I find the one that bill is still with the giants at heart and is trying to screw the boys over conspiracy a little more. :rolleyes: :p


Let me say, and you probably feel the same way, Bill Parcells has a long, long way to go before he's ever thought of in the same light as Tom and Jimmy, but to think this other asinine stuff is simply ludicrous.

[junk]

My problem lies NOT with him "starting". My problem lies with BP not putting him in there at the end of games where we are going to lose.

Henson OR Romo.....it doesn't really matter at this point. Nobody knows about EITHER guy, but we DO know about VT. Does BP really think that VT will be here next year? If so, just write off Henson then. It's not like Henson is a young pup. Isn't he 25 now? If he sits again next year....will he start at 27 years old? Great, he hits his prime and decline all in the same year....around age 30.

Again....for me, it's not about STARTING him right now....it's getting him some experience in a game situation. Some here say that it wouldn't do any good....please! When a guy has been away as long as he has, ANY experience would be good.

Henson will be 24 this entire season. He will 25 in February. So he will be 25 all next year. And 26 the year after that. So hopefully in his third full year of starting he will be 27 and just entering his prime. :D

[Dave_in-NC]

I kinda think it wasn't because he had such faith in Q but because he didn't have any better options at the time. We saw his true opinion of Q this summer when he was cut so unceremoniously (not trying to resurrect any conspiracy theories here).

I may be reading too much between the lines, but I think he actually has very high expectations for Henson. I think he's trying to get the kid as up to speed as possible (yes yes, there's Big Ben, but Henson hasn't played football at all in a couple of years). Meanwhile, Bill takes the heat of the complaints while keeping the pressure off Henson.


Meanwhile, Bill takes the heat of the complaints while keeping the pressure off Henson

Thats the difference between a coach like Parcells and a coach like Campo.
Parcells knows some one has to protect Henson untill he can handel the game. Coaches like Campo/Jones get enamored with what they see in practice. Its just not the same in practice.

Thnx to Parcells we might finaly end up with a great QB.

[Dave_in-NC]

Parcells is either the smartest man in the world or the laziest!

With his winning record this year :rolleyes: I suspect the later.

I wonder if Parcells is afraid that Henson might just play good enought, to make Bill look bad for not playing him eariler? :confused:


Yeah thats it, all thats going on with this team is making Parcells look great.
Parcells has never been interested in winning, hes more interested in playing his guys. :rolleyes:

[Signals]

http://home.comcast.net/~1peu/washedup.jpg Over 35 washed up players ...Now thats funny :D

[ravidubey]

I don't understand, is Henson your savior for the season?

I'm as anxious as anybody to see him perform under fire, but my contempt is in no way directed at our current starting QB right now.

The season can't be saved, so there can be no savior. I'd use the term "salvage" instead of "save" at this point. The 2004-2005 playoff hunt is over, leaving fan entertainment and player development/evaluation as primary goals.

[DanteEXT]

Since Henson is #2 on the depth chart but isn't ready for even mop up duty, what does that say about Romo?

[2much2soon]

BP doesn't think Henson is ready.

BP thought a lot of guys, who he saw in practice regularly, were ready this year and they either ended up being cut or non-factors.

I don't think just because BP sees Henson in practice everyday means he isn't making a mistake on this one. I am concerned about the decision making ability of a coach who has come out and admitted he doesn't know what to do with his team to get them on track.

BP '04 doesn't necessarily equal BP '90.

[Smith22]

Jimz, what I am saying the difference between him appearing in 3 games or 5 games won't matter a whole heck of a lot. What will matter is what other offensive talent they surround him with in the offseason combined with what playing time he gets next training camp.
THANK YOU!

All the moaning around here over a QB not getting to play for what, 5 minutes of garbage time? It's just crazy. Henson will play this year, we just have to be patient. He will probably play against Seattle or the Saints and finish out the year starting. Then we have the entire preseason to let him get some chemistry/experience. Bottom line, we have plenty of time to evaluate Henson. The way some of you act we are in the last 2 weeks of the season and haven't played the guy yet. We still have 7 games to go..........