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Jon
11-17-2004, 06:54 PM
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_camp_notes.cfm?id=48FEBD2E-CD16-08E5-A814FC60CC0F7377

Wednesday Notebook: Wiley Speaks On Slow Start

Rob Phillips
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
Nov. 17, 2004, 6:05 p.m. (CDT)

IRVING, Texas -- The Cowboys, with 17 sacks in nine games, are tied for 27th in the NFL this season. Marcellus Wiley, the Cowboys' big free-agent acquisition, hasn't contributed a one to that ever-growing modest total.

And here on a blue Wednesday, with the Cowboys left soul-searching after their third straight double-digit loss of the season, Wiley spoke candidly about his frustration with both his lack of production and, as he views it, his lack of opportunities.

"I don't feel the frustration from that part," Wiley said of taking partial blame for the Cowboys' lack of defensive pressure this season. "There's been some difficult things that were thrown my way that weren't explained, weren't communicated, that basically I had to adjust to on the fly. I don't know what the coaches and everyone are saying specifically. I know that I would be disappointed if I had a defensive end who didn't have any sacks, but I also would want to know why.

"It's been tough. For whatever reason, I wasn't allowed to do the things that I'm best at doing."

The Cowboys signed Wiley to a four-year, $16 million contract with hopes the seven-year veteran could produce those numbers from earlier in his career, when he combined for 23.5 sacks in 2000 and 2001. His numbers declined sharply in San Diego the past two seasons, with only nine total sacks.

Wiley, a starter at left end for Buffalo and San Diego, spent most of training camp practicing on the left side while head coach Bill Parcells experimented with Greg Ellis, also a left end his entire career, on the right.

But before the regular season began, Parcells moved Ellis back to left end, forcing Wiley to learn a new position. The Cowboys have also used Eric Ogbogu and Kalen Thornton in third-down passing situations, limiting Wiley's best opportunities to rush opposing quarterbacks.

Ellis is on pace for a career season with 6.5 sacks through nine games. Wiley's numbers - 16 tackles and zero sacks - have flat-lined this season.

"The reputation may be out there that 'OK, he's done' or whatever, but if you ask me or if you play against me, it's not gonna be a cakewalk," Wiley said.

Frazier's Second Chance

Cornerback Lance Frazier looked every bit the undrafted, free-agent rookie in the Cowboys' 49-21 loss to Philadelphia, muffing two punts - losing one - and struggling in pass coverage.

But Parcells said Frazier likely will start his third consecutive game at right corner and continue returning punts on special teams when the Cowboys travel to Baltimore for Sunday's game.

Frazier has six punt returns for 85 yards (14.2-yard average) and has done an adequate job replacing right cornerback Tyrone Williams (hamstring) in the starting lineup since joining the Cowboys' 53-man roster off Baltimore's practice squad.

But Frazier and Jacques Reeves had trouble defending Eagles receiver Terrell Owens, who finished with six receptions for 134 yards and three touchdowns. And one of Frazier's two muffed punts against the Eagles set up a 4-yard touchdown run by Dorsey Levens in the first half.

"I really wanted to do this, I think he has a little ability, but he kinda spit the bit out a little bit the other night," Parcells said. "He didn't pay attention especially to that second one. He had his head turned sideways."

Williams, who was placed on injured reserve with a season-ending hamstring injury Monday after clearing waivers, likely will be released by the team again once he is healthy. The Cowboys grew impatient waiting for Williams to recover from what was thought to be a mild hamstring strain.

The Cowboys signed Lenny Williams off the practice squad to fill Tyrone Williams' roster spot. The rookie cornerback was active for Monday night's game and received limited playing time, all on special teams.

Davis Probable

Cowboys safety Keith Davis, who missed Monday night's game with a strained hip flexor, is listed as probable for Sunday's game at Baltimore and participated in practice on Wednesday.

"I think he has a good chance to play this week," Parcells said.

Davis practiced part of last week but was originally expected to miss two weeks after suffering the hip injury on the opening kickoff of the Cowboys' 26-3 loss to Cincinnati.

Parcells has raved about Davis's "superior" instincts and aggressiveness on special teams. Davis leads the Cowboys with 11 special teams tackles and contributes in every aspect except field goals and extra points.

If healthy, Davis might also get an opportunity at strong safety at some point this season, given the uneven play of Tony Dixon and Lynn Scott in place of Darren Woodson (back).

Woodson Still Idle

Darren Woodson's return this season from back surgery seems less likely with each passing week.

Woodson, the Cowboys' all-time leading tackler (1,350) and elder statesman at safety, did not practice Wednesday and appears unlikely to return to practice in the second week of his three-week window. Woodson himself expressed skepticism when asked during Monday's pre-game show on the Dallas Cowboys Channel if he would practice this week.

The Cowboys technically reinstated Woodson for practice last week after the veteran safety spent the first six weeks of the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list while he recovered from off-season surgery to repair a herniated disk. The Cowboys then received a three-week roster exemption to get Woodson ready and now have until the end of November to activate Woodson or place him on injured reserve for the season.

Woodson has not been physically ready to return to the field since he became eligible for practice on Oct. 18. The surgery caused a problem in his sciatic nerve, the longest single nerve in the body that connects the spinal cord with the leg and foot muscles.

Blade's Return Unlikely

Former Cowboys defensive tackle Willie Blade made a surprise appearance at team headquarters Wednesday, but don't expect the fourth-year veteran back anytime soon.

Parcells said Blade, who was released by the Cowboys just prior to training camp on July 26, would not be re-signed by the team at this point. The Cowboys have only three defensive tackles - La'Roi Glover, Leo Carson and DeVone Claybrooks - on the active roster following the release of Chad Eaton and Chris Cooper.

Blade recorded 11 tackles and one sack last season in Dallas. He was claimed off waivers but released by the Giants the next day after he could not pass the team's conditioning test. Jacksonville then claimed the Cowboys former third-round draft choice, but would released him Nov. 9 after being suspended one game for conduct detrimental to the team in October.

Injury Report
Cowboys
Out
RB Julius Jones (shoulder)
Probable
S Keith Davis (hip)

Ravens
Out
P Dave Zastudil (shoulder)
Questionable
TE Todd Heap (ankle)
CB Chris McAlister (neck)
OT Jonathan Ogden (hamstring)
CB Deion Sanders (foot)
Probable
OT Orlando Brown (knee)
G Edwin Mulitalo (toe)

Short Shots

The Cowboys practiced inside their indoor practice facility Wednesday, a refuge from the rainy weather here at Valley Ranch . . . The Cowboys and Ravens are polar opposites in the NFL rankings. Dallas is ranked seventh in passing offense (248.7 yards/game), while Baltimore is ranked dead last (130.7). But in total defense, Dallas is ranked 28th with 356.8 yards allowed per game, while Baltimore ranks fourth (283.7) . . . The Ravens also have the edge in turnover margin with a plus-5. The Cowboys are tied with Miami, Oakland and San Francisco for dead last in the league with a minus-15 ratio.

Hostile
11-17-2004, 07:00 PM
"I don't feel the frustration from that part," Wiley said of taking partial blame for the Cowboys' lack of defensive pressure this season. "There's been some difficult things that were thrown my way that weren't explained, weren't communicated, that basically I had to adjust to on the fly. I don't know what the coaches and everyone are saying specifically. I know that I would be disappointed if I had a defensive end who didn't have any sacks, but I also would want to know why.

"It's been tough. For whatever reason, I wasn't allowed to do the things that I'm best at doing."
I don't know Dat Dude, but it seems to me that knocking boots with the Cheerleaders isn't going to help the team all that much.

Juke99
11-17-2004, 07:08 PM
OK...Wiley's gotta be kidding, right?

When a guy is playing as poorly as he is, best to just keep quiet.

He's got zilch. It's not as if his production is down; it's invisible.

All ya have to do is watch him and it's obvious he's got nothing left in the tank...I'm sure the coaching staff will appreciate his words in this interview.


Glad to see that we might have a player in Frazier.

And I'd really like to see what Davis can do with some extended playing time...

Rocky
11-17-2004, 07:21 PM
I'm certain that when Roy Williams spoke bout "some guys not buying into the Purcells sytem" that Wiley was one of them. He hasn't been playing his gaps from day 1 and that's part of the deal here. I think he just reacts to the play--slowly, of course. Happily, he has a mere 7 games remaining in the silver and blue.

trickblue
11-17-2004, 07:28 PM
OK...Wiley's gotta be kidding, right?

When a guy is playing as poorly as he is, best to just keep quiet.

He's got zilch. It's not as if his production is down; it's invisible.

All ya have to do is watch him and it's obvious he's got nothing left in the tank...I'm sure the coaching staff will appreciate his words in this interview.


Glad to see that we might have a player in Frazier.

And I'd really like to see what Davis can do with some extended playing time...

Wow... I would think he just ripped his britches with our coaching staff... he did look a bit better on MNF... but he needs to produce... Ellis is taking the double-teams... not him for the most part...

Encore
11-17-2004, 07:29 PM
So did Willie just stop in to say Hi?

Did he stop in to use the bathroom?

Was he invited?

Juke99
11-17-2004, 07:33 PM
Wow... I would think he just ripped his britches with our coaching staff... he did look a bit better on MNF... but he needs to produce... Ellis is taking the double-teams... not him for the most part...


Ya know, it's always the little stuff that sets me off....the player introductions on MNF...everyone else, 43 other players simply gave their name....Wiley does the "Dat dude" thing...looooordie....it just set me off...If I was playing as poorly as Wiley, I'd have them silhouette me, I'd face away from the camera and I'd say my name was "John Doe"

Geezlouise...

trickblue
11-17-2004, 07:36 PM
Ya know, it's always the little stuff that sets me off....the player introductions on MNF...everyone else, 43 other players simply gave their name....Wiley does the "Dat dude" thing...looooordie....it just set me off...If I was playing as poorly as Wiley, I'd have them silhouette me, I'd face away from the camera and I'd say my name was "John Doe"

Geezlouise...

I agree... he might has well of said "Dat Dork"...

I could think of other words beginning with "D"... if he SHOWED a little humility for his lack of production, he might get a little less flack...

Juke99
11-17-2004, 07:39 PM
if he SHOWED a little humility for his lack of production, he might get a little less flack...


Oh I posted the same thing about another guy in a thread here. :D

trickblue
11-17-2004, 07:47 PM
Oh I posted the same thing about another guy in a thread here. :D

Yes you did... I was amen-ing you brother...

I would like for Wiley to get serious... as of right now... he is the second-best Wiley we have ever had play under the revered star...

Juke99
11-17-2004, 07:50 PM
Yes you did... I was amen-ing you brother...

I would like for Wiley to get serious... as of right now... he is the second-best Wiley we have ever had play under the revered star...

:D

Ya know, I liked that other Wiley very much...I thought he was very much like a younger version of Richie Anderson, who has been solid, btw...

trickblue
11-17-2004, 07:58 PM
:D

Ya know, I liked that other Wiley very much...I thought he was very much like a younger version of Richie Anderson, who has been solid, btw...

that is a good comparison... I hated to let Michael Wiley go... they are very similar backs...

And Anderson HAS been solid... hopefully Julius can come back strong and we can use Anderson like we did Preston Pearson back in the day...

jacs
11-17-2004, 08:00 PM
i have had a beef with the coaches taking him out on 3rd downs, he was brought in to rush the passer and 1 and 2nd down he has to play the run first then rush but on 3rd they take him out

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:07 PM
that is a good comparison... I hated to let Michael Wiley go... they are very similar backs...

And Anderson HAS been solid... hopefully Julius can come back strong and we can use Anderson like we did Preston Pearson back in the day...


We have a few guys like Anderson...players who would be excellent if they weren't required to do as much as they are now...

From what I recall, Michael Wiley was sorta in the running, hurt a knee in pre-season, was cut and never resurfaced, yes?

Preston Pearson...EVERYONE in the stadium knew he was going to be the primary receiver on so many third downs...and yet, time and again, completion...first down.

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:11 PM
We have a few guys like Anderson...players who would be excellent if they weren't required to do as much as they are now...

From what I recall, Michael Wiley was sorta in the running, hurt a knee in pre-season, was cut and never resurfaced, yes?

Preston Pearson...EVERYONE in the stadium knew he was going to be the primary receiver on so many third downs...and yet, time and again, completion...first down.

Yep... he has CLUTCH... we gave $100 to Pittsburgh for Preston Pearson... money well-spent I would think... at least we got the best of Pittsburgh for ONCE in the 70's...

Jimz31
11-17-2004, 08:11 PM
i have had a beef with the coaches taking him out on 3rd downs, he was brought in to rush the passer and 1 and 2nd down he has to play the run first then rush but on 3rd they take him out


Nice Witten deal there, man.

Another thing he said.....about him not being allowed to do the things that he does best.....sounds familiar with what some people here have been saying.

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:18 PM
Ya know, it's always the little stuff that sets me off....the player introductions on MNF...everyone else, 43 other players simply gave their name....Wiley does the "Dat dude" thing...looooordie....it just set me off...If I was playing as poorly as Wiley, I'd have them silhouette me, I'd face away from the camera and I'd say my name was "John Doe"

Geezlouise...


I was thinking the same thing...

But I would have said "Hos from Arizona"

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:21 PM
I was thinking the same thing...

But I would have said "Hos from Arizona"


Yeah but the Mickey Mouse ears would have been a dead give-away. :)

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:22 PM
Yep... he has CLUTCH... we gave $100 to Pittsburgh for Preston Pearson... money well-spent I would think... at least we got the best of Pittsburgh for ONCE in the 70's...


uh, we're starting to sound really old here...

So, uh, uhm, what did you think of what happened with ODB? :cool:

SuspectCorner
11-17-2004, 08:28 PM
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_camp_notes.cfm?id=48FEBD2E-CD16-08E5-A814FC60CC0F7377

Wednesday Notebook: Wiley Speaks On Slow Start

Rob Phillips
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
Nov. 17, 2004, 6:05 p.m. (CDT)

IRVING, Texas -- The Cowboys, with 17 sacks in nine games, are tied for 27th in the NFL this season. Marcellus Wiley, the Cowboys' big free-agent acquisition, hasn't contributed a one to that ever-growing modest total.

And here on a blue Wednesday, with the Cowboys left soul-searching after their third straight double-digit loss of the season, Wiley spoke candidly about his frustration with both his lack of production and, as he views it, his LACK OF OPPORTUNITIES.

"I don't feel the frustration from that part," Wiley said of taking partial blame for the Cowboys' lack of defensive pressure this season. "There's been some difficult things that were thrown my way that weren't explained, weren't communicated, that basically I had to adjust to on the fly. I don't know what the coaches and everyone are saying specifically. I KNOW THAT I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF I HAD A DE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SACKS, but I also would want to know why.

"It's been tough. For whatever reason, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO DO THE THINGS THAT I'M BEST AT DOING."

excuse me for pointing out that every down has been an opportunity - and "dat DUD" has delivered zilch. his disappointment hasn't been showing up on gameday. what has appeared instead is his resignation to being a talentless peice of $#!%. and on the contrary, he HAS been allowed to do the things he's best at doing. vacuuming up a nice hill of cash in exchange for nada. dallas has cheerleaders who have as much impact on the game as him.

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:28 PM
uh, we're starting to sound really old here...

So, uh, uhm, what did you think of what happened with ODB? :cool:

I refuse to answer any more questions as it may age incriminate me... but I am a charter member of the "Zero Club"... :eek:

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:33 PM
I refuse to answer any more questions as it may age incriminate me... but I am a charter member of the "Zero Club"... :eek:


Yes, it's murder time again...

Uh, your sig pic is self incriminating...

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:33 PM
I refuse to answer any more questions as it may age incriminate me... but I am a charter member of the "Zero Club"... :eek:


Is that an age thing or an intelligence thing there TB? :D

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:35 PM
Is that an age thing or an intelligence thing there TB? :D

Probably a bit of both Michael... but hek... I am a kolledge gradeate... :D

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:35 PM
excuse me for pointing out that every down has been an opportunity - and "dat DUD" has delivered zilch. his disappointment hasn't been showing up on gameday. what has appeared instead is his resignation to being a talentless peice of $#!%. and on the contrary, he HAS been allowed to do the things he's best at doing. vacuuming up a nice hill of cash in exchange for nada. dallas has cheerleaders who have as much impact on the game as him.


I gonna take a wild guess, you aren't going to be involved in a furious Ebay bidding war anytime soon for an autographed Dat Dude 8 x 10?

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:36 PM
uh, we're starting to sound really old here...



Maybe we can compare our favorite "One Adam 12" episodes.

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:37 PM
Probably a bit of both Michael... but hek... I am a kolledge gradeate... :D

Yessum but youins doesnt liv in them thar hollers of western new yerk eiter.

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:37 PM
Maybe we can compare our favorite "One Adam 12" episodes.


I was already married and working three jobs by the time that show was on...if you wanna talk about "Leave It To Beaver" or "The Andy Griffith Show" I'm ready...

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:39 PM
Maybe we can compare our favorite "One Adam 12" episodes.

OMG... don't EVEN... "one adam 12... one adam 12... we have a possible 126 in progress"... ahh yes... the great Martin Milner and Kent McCord... Reed and Malloy... (my dad told me about that show)... :D

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:41 PM
Yessum but youins doesnt liv in them thar hollers of western new yerk eiter.

actually I spent a litle time in Kinderhook... of Ichabod Crane fame of course...

The High School there is "Ichabod Crane High" and the Mascot is "The Riders"... good stuff...

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:48 PM
OMG... don't EVEN... "one adam 12... one adam 12... we have a possible 126 in progress"... ahh yes... the great Martin Milner and Kent McCord... Reed and Malloy... (my dad told me about that show)... :D

Don't give me that "my dad told me about that show" you old bastid!

Hell, you're probably one of the few of us that remembers watching the first year of sesame street!

Or the first year of Scooby Doo (which was light years better than the crap they started putting on with Scooby Doo and his POS nephew Scrappy or whatever his name was)...

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 08:51 PM
I was already married and working three jobs by the time that show was on...if you wanna talk about "Leave It To Beaver" or "The Andy Griffith Show" I'm ready...


Man, Juke you're going to make me cry! Stop with the sad stories!

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:53 PM
Or the first year of Scooby Doo (which was light years better than the crap they started putting on with Scooby Doo and his POS nephew Scrappy or whatever his name was)...


Cause Shaggy and Scooby are interesting characters. They're two of the most major characters in American literature. Because, and I mean this sincerely, and I think it's fantastic, because they are cowards. They are cowardly characters - they believe in cowardice and sandwiches. And can you think of any in the whole realm of the English-speaking literature that are characters like that? Cowardly characters that you identify with. ‘Cause you identify with them, you're with them all the way! "Go Shaggy! Go Scooby!"

But Shaggy and Scooby; the only other character, I mean, tell me now if you can think of any character ‘cause I'm willing to learn, but somebody mentioned Falstaff. A Shakespearean character! It's that level of greatness! Falstaff, you sort of identify with him, but he has a melancholy with him. But Shaggy and Scooby are upbeat all the time

So if you travel around the world, and, you know, ‘cause your American foreign policy does give you a difficult time to exist around the world, two tricks: one, say you're Canadian, that helps. It works in Europe, it's very good! And the second is just say, "Shaggy and Scooby." And they go "Shaggy and Scooby!" International credit card, I think!

Eddie Izzard

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:54 PM
Don't give me that "my dad told me about that show" you old bastid!

Hell, you're probably one of the few of us that remembers watching the first year of sesame street!

Or the first year of Scooby Doo (which was light years better than the crap they started putting on with Scooby Doo and his POS nephew Scrappy or whatever his name was)...

Me? an original Scooby viewer? ruh roh... ok... it's true...

and what young boy in the 60's didn't get tingly while watching Josie and the *****cats... MEOW...

Scooby jumped the shark at the addition of Scrappy... I saw an interview once where Scooby lamented the decision... aparently Scrappy went the way of many child actors and took the path of drugs and sex... sad stuff for a pup with such potential... :(

Juke99
11-17-2004, 08:54 PM
Uhm, I think this thread might have drifted just a bit..

trickblue
11-17-2004, 08:56 PM
Cowardly characters that you identify with. ‘Cause you identify with them, you're with them all the way! "Go Shaggy! Go Scooby!"

Better than identifying with Oedipus Rex... (and NO I was not around then)...

trickblue
11-17-2004, 09:00 PM
Uhm, I think this thread might have drifted just a bit..

True... back to Wiley...

It is a good thing that he realizes he is underachieving... but don't blame it on the scheme...

Get in there and bust ace and make some plays... making plays does not always mean making a sack... sometimes it is closing of the corner on sweeps... sometimes it is hustling downfield to make a tackle... sometimes it is attacking blockers... sometimes it is getting your hands in the air...

A Columbia education and a Dat Dude website hold no water with Cowboy fans... show us a little something... PLEASE...

His dad is a lifelong Cowboy fan... could you do it for him?

Juke99
11-17-2004, 09:00 PM
Better than identifying with Oedipus Rex... (and NO I was not around then)...


Oh, I knew his mother. :D

trickblue
11-17-2004, 09:02 PM
Oh, I knew his mother. :D

I dated her once... but that is beside the point... ;)

MichaelWinicki
11-17-2004, 09:05 PM
and what young boy in the 60's didn't get tingly while watching Josie and the *****cats... MEOW...



Yep... I liked the dumb blonde.... wasn't she the drummer?

Short cartoon dresses.

Yep, they were hot.

How come though Shaggy and Scooby usually went off togehter? Hell if I were Shaggy I would be holding out for Daphne... but no, she always took off with that blank Freddie.

junk
11-17-2004, 09:22 PM
I gonna take a wild guess, you aren't going to be involved in a furious Ebay bidding war anytime soon for an autographed Dat Dude 8 x 10?

Nope, I suspect he is saving his funds for that Virgin Mary cheese sandwich.

trickblue
11-17-2004, 09:22 PM
Yep... I liked the dumb blonde.... wasn't she the drummer?

Short cartoon dresses.

Yep, they were hot.

How come though Shaggy and Scooby usually went off togehter? Hell if I were Shaggy I would be holding out for Daphne... but no, she always took off with that blank Freddie.

Oh yes... Valerie... :D

They were more concerned with blazing than with shagging... ;)

Hollywood Henderson
11-17-2004, 09:40 PM
Well its good to see some "Get it" while others are still saying "On to the next DE" this one sucks!

NO ONE CAN EXCELL in this crappy "occupy & engage" CRAP...Its made for the MLB to be a STAR but we have a lil guy there....Too little and too slow...

Lets get back to what works....

Get rid of zimmy/squiggy and return DOOMSDAY back to where it belongs!

trickblue
11-17-2004, 09:49 PM
Well its good to see some "Get it" while others are still saying "On to the next DE" this one sucks!

NO ONE CAN EXCELL in this crappy "occupy & engage" CRAP...Its made for the MLB to be a STAR but we have a lil guy there....Too little and too slow...

Lets get back to what works....

Get rid of zimmy/squiggy and return DOOMSDAY back to where it belongs!

Exactly... attack attack attack... I hate the type defense we have... which is basically a modified prevent (i.e. permit)...

Yes... we do blitz at time... more last year than this year... we snuck up on people last year... it's not happening this year...

We are not making good adjustments... where the blame lies, I have no idea...