The Tuna-Jones Plan will Work!!!

[Sandman]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.

[TLW47]

Let's hope he has a "plan".

Because what they've throwing out there now is horrid.

[DandyDon]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.

A post like this is long overdue in here. This board has gotten to be so big in the last year and it seems that most of the new posters are Madden footballers or at the very least, have a "the sky is falling" mentality. I know opinions are what make this board go, but where are all the optimists?

Thanks again for the post.......

[DoomsDayD]

i would love to see or hear a plan that they have for the future. But as far as i know he is going with the older/slower guys until they have to be wheeled out with a wheelchair. No one is saying henson or jones is the saving grace of this team,we just want to see what they can bring to the team and possibly maybe are our future and saving grace.

[BlueStar22]

A post like this is long overdue in here. This board has gotten to be so big in the last year and it seems that most of the new posters are Madden footballers or at the very least, have a "the sky is falling" mentality. I know opinions are what make this board go, but where are all the optimists?

Thanks again for the post.......
Sadly, those are types of Cowboys fans give the "realist" Cowboys fan a bad name. I hear that we have the worst fans and for the most part, I agree.

[4lifecowboy]

i would love to see or hear a plan that they have for the future. But as far as i know he is going with the older/slower guys until they have to be wheeled out with a wheelchair. No one is saying henson or jones is the saving grace of this team,we just want to see what they can bring to the team and possibly maybe are our future and saving grace.


I thought the plan was obvious from the begining, The vets sign are merely players brought in to 1) provide leadership and 2) Translate to the young players Bill's way of doing things.

Last year we were evaluating the players that were already on the roster when Pacells got here. This year we trimmed those that didn't buy in or flat out wasn't succeeding at their position.

When Parcell first arrived he stated he wanted to build a solid team that could compete even after he left. George, Wiley, Johnson and Testeverde were brought in for the reasons stated above, and I truely think to keep us competative, and instill a certain attitude towards the mental approach to the game, while remaining a contending team. All is still on track with the exception of remaining a "contending" thru the process. Which in my opinion still has at least 2 years to mature, maybe a year to bear real fruit.

[4lifecowboy]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.


Excellent post, long overdue.

[Bababooey]

Holmgren still hasnt turned Seattle around. With that talent they should be unstoppable.

[mwmilsted]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.

Their plan has not worked so far. What makes you think it willl work tomorrow?

[Dye]

a lot of cowboys fans, myself included, didn't think our defense would go from being the best to almost the worst in one year. this is the reason why we are what we are, 3-6.

vast majority of 'boys fans weren't expecting a superbowl - just a better team. heck, parcells even said it that we may be a better team with a worse record. but facts are, we have taken a step back. and that, my fellow cowboys fan is why everyone is a holler'in.

lack of foresight in obtaining some players to address our weakness and injuries has compounded to this outcry. had we obtained some key players, our quest for the trophy would be one year closer. instead, our defense has regressed and now they're talking about re-tooling the defense.

sure it takes time to build a championship team. but evaluating your talent and making the right player acquisitions is the first step. we haven't done either of those this year.

[Fletch]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.

Sandman, let me be one of the first to welcome you to Cowboys Zone. I agree, a very good post.

As much as Jerry is loathed by some in here, he actually did the Cowboys a favor by getting a coach of Hall of Fame stature, and together with Parcells, getting a long term, successful plan put together for the future.

The Cowboys over achieved last year because of a favorable schedule. Parcells had to evaluate the players allready in place before totally revamping the team. We came out 10-6. Better than anyone thought.

Then came the 2004 season. A year of optimism for the "What have you done for me lately" and "bandwagon fans" alike. Parcells and Jones felt it necessary to pass up the free agent crop in the offseason and bring in "stop-gap" players like Vinny, Eddie, and Keyshawn, knowing that they were short term solutions. Guys with a professional mentality to bridge the gap for the younger players.

Injuries plagued the Cowboys and those older, "stop-gap" guys, who were here to mentor more than anything, had to fill in full time. But yet the fans that call themselves "realists" see a bunch of old guys and a coach who is ruining the team. Not the case. He was dealt a hand because of injuries, and now must go with what he has got.

After this season, the real offseason will begin. A younger, deeper, and more talented crop of free agents will hit the market, and the Cowboys, who have the money, are expected to be major players, and very aggresive in filling key spots with talent.

The Cowboys draft is looking up with the two 1st round draft picks. The draft will go hand in hand with how we spend the money in free agency. Our Cowboys will definitely be retooled and more talented by the start of the 2005 season. No way was this organization going to be refurbished, locked and loaded in two seasons. It takes time to right the Titanic and get it turned around.

A plan is definitely in place. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but rather enjoy the ride. This season is obviously painful, and was expected to be more competitive, but what's done is done. But all is not lost.

[Verdict]

The losing hurts, but I can live with it if it means we are building for the future. Keep in mind Parcells sees these guys daily and has evaluated where he thinks they are. I am ok with Parcells moves, i just with that we had the benefit of seeing where Hunter fit into the scheme of things. In my opinion his injury hurt the team immensely, because his evaluation was important in terms of whether that spot is deemed a must have or a nice to upgrade position.

[silver]

i would love to see or hear a plan that they have for the future. But as far as i know he is going with the older/slower guys until they have to be wheeled out with a wheelchair. No one is saying henson or jones is the saving grace of this team,we just want to see what they can bring to the team and possibly maybe are our future and saving grace.

a well informed optimist.

[junk]

The losing hurts, but I can live with it if it means we are building for the future. Keep in mind Parcells sees these guys daily and has evaluated where he thinks they are. I am ok with Parcells moves, i just with that we had the benefit of seeing where Hunter fit into the scheme of things. In my opinion his injury hurt the team immensely, because his evaluation was important in terms of whether that spot is deemed a must have or a nice to upgrade position.

That is a great statement regarding Hunter. His injury really did hurt the process. Had he panned out, CB probably wouldn't be as pressing a need for next year. As it is now, I think it must be addressed. I think ideally someone is signed (Baxter) or drafted (Jackson or Rolle). That would solidify the starters and provide nice depth pieces with Frazier, Hunter, Jones and Reeves.

Bottom line, this year was an evaluation year for Pete Hunter. Julius Jones as well. At least we will get to see him a bit though.

[Fletch]

That is a great statement regarding Hunter. His injury really did hurt the process. Had he panned out, CB probably wouldn't be as pressing a need for next year. As it is now, I think it must be addressed. I think ideally someone is signed (Baxter) or drafted (Jackson or Rolle). That would solidify the starters and provide nice depth pieces with Frazier, Hunter, Jones and Reeves.

Bottom line, this year was an evaluation year for Pete Hunter. Julius Jones as well. At least we will get to see him a bit though.

I'm not sure Hunter is a lost cause just because he got hurt. He may have some competition in camp next year because Dallas may go ahead and do something in free agency or the draft to help upgrade that position, and that is regardless if Hunter was healthy or not. (see also CB Antrelle Rolle)

[FolsomCowboy]

People need to wake up and quit posting garbage. Think with your head and not your heart. This cowboy team has stunk for 4-5 years, you think this can be fixed in a year or two. It can't. Dallas is not Tampa Bay or Indy where a coach can walk in and the talent and depth in already in place. How long did it take for Holgrem to turn around Seattle. I believe Bill has a plan. I agree with everuone else that he has made a couple of maistakes, but the reality is they were short term mistakes. NONE of the players people want back (EDWARDS/EUK/HAM/EMT) were longterm solutions. I am not even sure why everyone is shocked we are having a bad year, it was predicted out record would slip. It's time to man up, and shut up. Support the program or get off the wagon. No body wants a winner in Dallas more than me, but I don't want a one year wonder. I am a thirty year cowboy fan, I wait another season or two for the job to be done right! After this years draft and FA, our team will have completly new look and Bill will the BIG TUNA again.

Ok, if I think with my head, I think.

A. Why not garner any "talent" at CB for the future? Jameel Powell gone, Davison, gone, Donald Mitchell, gone. These are the guys Parcells was gonna count on.

B. If its all about a "plan" why sign Marcellus Wiley at all? Why not draft a D lineman in at least ONE round, instead of trying to "coach up" Daleroy Stewart, gone, Willie Blade, gone, Jermaine Brooks, gone, Kenyon Coleman...never shows up, again guys Parcells was gonna count on even deep into the Preseason.

C. In looking at this years draft, our 2nd and 3rd round Olinemen havent sniffed the playing field, Peterman is hurt but he wasnt gonna crack the lineup. Our 4th rd pick is hurt but he was inactive behind 2 7th round corners. Our 5th rd TE is gone.

D. We brought in Eddie George for what? Ritchie Anderson sweep left, sweep right, fall down.

As a lifelong Cowboy fan I reserve the right to critique any aspect of the organization I feel is warranted, thats what being a fan is about, you dont just go along for the ride. You may say I have a "sky is falling" attitude but to me its "I just saw my team lose 49-21 to the Eagles, and saw Terrell Owens Promenade on the End Zone star and noone did jack". That was the most embarassing defensive performance by any Cowboys team I have ever seen, or that I can remember heh.

[Fletch]

Ok, if I think with my head, I think.

A. Why not garner any "talent" at CB for the future? Jameel Powell gone, Davison, gone, Donald Mitchell, gone. These are the guys Parcells was gonna count on.

B. If its all about a "plan" why sign Marcellus Wiley at all? Why not draft a D lineman in at least ONE round, instead of trying to "coach up" Daleroy Stewart, gone, Willie Blade, gone, Jermaine Brooks, gone, Kenyon Coleman...never shows up, again guys Parcells was gonna count on even deep into the Preseason.

C. In looking at this years draft, our 2nd and 3rd round Olinemen havent sniffed the playing field, Peterman is hurt but he wasnt gonna crack the lineup. Our 4th rd pick is hurt but he was inactive behind 2 7th round corners. Our 5th rd TE is gone.

D. We brought in Eddie George for what? Ritchie Anderson sweep left, sweep right, fall down.

As a lifelong Cowboy fan I reserve the right to critique any aspect of the organization I feel is warranted, thats what being a fan is about, you dont just go along for the ride. You may say I have a "sky is falling" attitude but to me its "I just saw my team lose 49-21 to the Eagles, and saw Terrell Owens Promenade on the End Zone star and noone did jack". That was the most embarassing defensive performance by any Cowboys team I have ever seen, or that I can remember heh.

Nobody said there wasn't going to be a couple mistakes here and there. As for the guys you mentioned at CB, Jemeel Powell? Donald Mitchell? etc. etc., they wouldn't be starting for anyone. Eddie George and Vinny both have one year deals. It's not like they will be counted on for the future.

And yes, you definitely fall into the "sky is falling" catagory. You would probably be bored with the Cowboys if they weren't having a bad season. :rolleyes:

[Jimz31]

Ok, if I think with my head, I think.

A. Why not garner any "talent" at CB for the future? Jameel Powell gone, Davison, gone, Donald Mitchell, gone. These are the guys Parcells was gonna count on.

B. If its all about a "plan" why sign Marcellus Wiley at all? Why not draft a D lineman in at least ONE round, instead of trying to "coach up" Daleroy Stewart, gone, Willie Blade, gone, Jermaine Brooks, gone, Kenyon Coleman...never shows up, again guys Parcells was gonna count on even deep into the Preseason.

C. In looking at this years draft, our 2nd and 3rd round Olinemen havent sniffed the playing field, Peterman is hurt but he wasnt gonna crack the lineup. Our 4th rd pick is hurt but he was inactive behind 2 7th round corners. Our 5th rd TE is gone.

D. We brought in Eddie George for what? Ritchie Anderson sweep left, sweep right, fall down.

As a lifelong Cowboy fan I reserve the right to critique any aspect of the organization I feel is warranted, thats what being a fan is about, you dont just go along for the ride. You may say I have a "sky is falling" attitude but to me its "I just saw my team lose 49-21 to the Eagles, and saw Terrell Owens Promenade on the End Zone star and noone did jack". That was the most embarassing defensive performance by any Cowboys team I have ever seen, or that I can remember heh.

Good post.

Sorry, but alot of us ARE looking at this with our heads and not our hearts and we see a rat.

This team is arguably not even as good as the Campo teams. Argue all you want, but the facts are there for you to see.

[FolsomCowboy]

Nobody said there wasn't going to be a couple mistakes here and there. As for the guys you mentioned at CB, Jemeel Powell? Donald Mitchell? etc. etc., they wouldn't be starting for anyone. Eddie George and Vinny both have one year deals. It's not like they will be counted on for the future.

Mitchell was gonna be Pacell's slot guy, but he couldnt get him to perform so he got cut a week before opening day. Powell was "parcell's annointed one", cut. I dont believe I mentioned Vinny, Eddie George has the heart but not the talent anymore, if you cant see that you fall into the "pollyanna" category.

And yes, you definitely fall into the "sky is falling" catagory. You would probably be bored with the Cowboys if they weren't having a bad season. :rolleyes:

And you were probably amused when Terrell Owens first danced on the star and then wondered why Teague knocked him on his can, that is if you were even a Cowboys fan back then.

[2much2soon]

Nobody said there wasn't going to be a couple mistakes here and there. As for the guys you mentioned at CB, Jemeel Powell? Donald Mitchell? etc. etc., they wouldn't be starting for anyone. Eddie George and Vinny both have one year deals. It's not like they will be counted on for the future.

And yes, you definitely fall into the "sky is falling" catagory. You would probably be bored with the Cowboys if they weren't having a bad season. :rolleyes:

Thats more than a couple of players here and there. And pbthal didn't list Ogbogu or Bradie James, who many (including BP) expected a lot more from this season.

At some point, don't you become worried for the future when a coach brings in so many unproductive players? I'll admit there were some extenuating circumstances (injuries, drug problems) that hurt this team but BP misfired on too many player evaluations this season.

[dargonking999]

Good post.

Sorry, but alot of us ARE looking at this with our heads and not our hearts and we see a rat.

This team is arguably not even as good as the Campo teams. Argue all you want, but the facts are there for you to see.

Who cares what this team is now. Take away the huge amount of season ending injuires we had to KEY players on offense and defense and u get games that muc closer if not actaully won. Ya'lll forget that EG was brought in here for 3 and 1 goal line richie was a 3rd and long back. what this team has come out to be this year was not how it was seen in preseason this season is yes offically done, and we are buildong for next year starting thanksgiving day. Stop being A-holes and learn to see form the begginging to end not from middle to middle

[FolsomCowboy]

Who cares what this team is now. Take away the huge amount of season ending injuires we had to KEY players on offense and defense and u get games that muc closer if not actaully won. Ya'lll forget that EG was brought in here for 3 and 1 goal line richie was a 3rd and long back. what this team has come out to be this year was not how it was seen in preseason this season is yes offically done, and we are buildong for next year starting thanksgiving day. Stop being A-holes and learn to see form the begginging to end not from middle to middle

Woodson was hurt and they knew he wasnt gonna be around, so why not get a FS, or are Tony Dixon and Lynn Scott part of "the plan"? JJ wasnt even the starter on opening day, so much for the 3rd and 1 theory. Went into preseason with Pete Hunter and Jameel powell jockeying for RCB, Hunter wasnt exactly a proven star. If only I had confidence Parcells was looking from beginning to end.

[Jimz31]

Who cares what this team is now. Take away the huge amount of season ending injuires we had to KEY players on offense and defense and u get games that muc closer if not actaully won. Ya'lll forget that EG was brought in here for 3 and 1 goal line richie was a 3rd and long back. what this team has come out to be this year was not how it was seen in preseason this season is yes offically done, and we are buildong for next year starting thanksgiving day. Stop being A-holes and learn to see form the begginging to end not from middle to middle


Yeah, ok....lets play "take away this and take away that"....hey, we're 16-0.

You just keep pushing it back, year by year, that we are "rebuilding".

[2much2soon]

Yeah, ok....lets play "take away this and take away that"....hey, we're 16-0.

You just keep pushing it back, year by year, that we are "rebuilding".


How about a new term; "debuilding"