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Kittymama
11-18-2004, 11:35 AM
JuJo in practice? Did ok.
Woodsen participating? No. Just did it for extension. Still working on rehab.
What did JuJo do? Same as everyone. In shells.
Is he ok? Hard to tell. He's been worked hard (by doc?) the past few weeks.
Will we see him in the next few weeks? Obviously I'd like to see him, but we'll see. Don't know if he can take hits after just one day.
Are you still coaching the coaches? A bit different from last year. More familiar with them. Still meet every night & look at film, give them my commentary, plan our practices, discuss personnel.
Jamal Lewis only has 2 100 yard games. Are teams ganging up on him this year? They seem to be. Very powerful guy in open field. Teams trying to negate him but that's not discouraging Baltimore
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 11:44 AM
Ogden may be back this week? Don't know if he will. He didn't practice yesterday. Would be a big addition if he did.
Boller starting to make progress? Made 2 big plays at the end of the Jets game. Both game-affecting & positive.
What's better this year? Didn't really see him last year. Don't have that much to compare him to. Seems to be playing more confidently & with a better understanding of what they're doing.
Deion? Playing well in what they're asking him to do. Has been hurt lately. Don't know his status--didn't practice yesterday.
Billick talked about how hard it was to go from Super Bowl to struggling. How hard is it to go thru that? Personally, the climate now is very high expectations all the time. Everyone thinks because of FA that you can rebuild your team in 1 year. There are some illustrations of that, but for most it's different than from years ago. Some teams can reverse their fortunes but others go in a different direction because of the same situation. Creates a reasonably level playing field unless you can keep a key corps--has to be select group, not just any players--to keep. Some teams get lots of FAs but still don't have success. Have to have the right group of FAs & people to build around. Hard to find them.
(Jen) Does losing eat at you? Sure. Hard on you? Part of the business. You have to go thru it. Doesn't make it easier, but that's what you have to do. There's always next Sunday, then the next Sunday. That's the saving grace. That's what you look forward to. (Let's guess what Jen's column will be tomorrow!) Your saving grace for the week? Yes. Lots of people talking about you leaving? I don't know who's saying that. I don't have a crystal ball. I'm concentrating on Baltimore. When the season is over, you work on next year. Just because people are running their mouths, doesn't mean I have time to respond to them.
Have people called you? Yeah. Like a funeral (jokingly). 5 today. Didn't talk to them, but they left messages. I appreciate all that. Tone is encouraging. Some of them were my ex-players.
Health? I had one thing wrong 13 years ago. That's fixed.
Eating better? Trying to.
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 11:51 AM
(sorry missed a section--someone came in to ask me a question)
Getting team up? Some cheerleading but talk to them about what to do against Baltimore. Difficult right now because a lot of (reporters) here are doing state of the union with the players.
mumble mumble. Their lifeline on defense is Ray Lewis. He's their catalyst. He plays within the system, but they have stuff in the scheme that features his ability. They try not to give up plays, then they pressure. Not relying on one thing--can play a whole system of stuff.
mumblemumble Witten? The trick is not to put him in just one spot. Give him some different patterns.
Is the best chance of improving defense to move to 3-4 (is that right?)? Don't have time to make big change right now. Tried a few things last year. There's some coverage transitions that have to be better coordinated than what we'd have time to do. We've had a hard time right now, wouldn't have enough versatility.
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 12:01 PM
Long technical Q&A on linebackers in the scheme. Very long discussion!!! Very very long!!!! (Gee, think he might have been a LB coach at some point?! :rolleyes: )
************Henson question. Is it significant to see him play before the end of the season? Yes, I'd like to see him play. Yes, it would be helpful.
Perfect scenario for getting him into the game? Perfect, no. I'm hopeful I could do it at some point. Hope it's not a forced thing.
Could you decide he's not ready & won't play him? Yes, that's possible too. Just hoping I get a chance to play him
Back to 3-4 instead of 4-3. Like it if I have the personnel to play it. You have to have the round pegs for round holes. If you don't, in either scheme, you suffer. Increasingly difficult to find good defensive players in the NFL. Good offensive linemen in draft, QBs out of smaller schools, but not as many defensemen. Those don't stay in school as long because they get talked into coming out early, so you don't build up a pool of them in the draft.
Henson again. He's seeing things with Vinny. If Vinny was injured, we could do a scheme for him. Giving him reps in practice. This guy hasn't played a lot of football recently, so I'm hesitant to pass final judgement on whether he is or isn't ready to play. If something happened in game, I think we could do something with him--not sure.
Ray Lewis compared to LT? Different style of player. Very aggressive. Not big but very active. Brings passion to game. Very good pass protector--that separates him from a lot of guys playing that position. Not as easy for him now because he's playing with different players.
Waffle
11-18-2004, 12:08 PM
Was it just me, or did Bill seem a little agitated with JJT when he asked the question about the 3-4?
(Maybe Bill had the infamous note put up the other day ;) )
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 12:19 PM
Was it just me, or did Bill seem a little agitated with JJT when he asked the question about the 3-4?
(Maybe Bill had the infamous note put up the other day ;) )
Since I'm not enough of a technical expert to understand ANY of what they said on the subject, I can't tell. He did have fun expounding on LBs tho!
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 12:20 PM
Was it just me, or did Bill seem a little agitated with JJT when he asked the question about the 3-4?
(Maybe Bill had the infamous note put up the other day ;) )
Now that I think about it, yes a bit. Don't know why, but I think it was more that he really wants to go to the 3-4 but knows he just doesn't have the type of guys he needs right now to do it--so it was more a mild frustration than agitation.
Chocolate Lab
11-18-2004, 12:24 PM
Was it just me, or did Bill seem a little agitated with JJT when he asked the question about the 3-4?
Yeah... I just knew he was going to say something like, "I've always liked the defense that stops people." :)
LaTunaNostra
11-18-2004, 12:36 PM
Thanks once again, KM - I thought Bill sounded much "better" today - voice less tired, not as much evident frustration.
Portland Fanatic
11-18-2004, 12:38 PM
Thanks once again, KM - I thought Bill sounded much "better" today - voice less tired, not as much evident frustration.
So did you get any impressions that BP wants to go 3-4? Maybe not this year, but when he has the right players? Curious as it would indicate the type of players BP will be going after in the off-season...
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 01:03 PM
So did you get any impressions that BP wants to go 3-4? Maybe not this year, but when he has the right players? Curious as it would indicate the type of players BP will be going after in the off-season...
If Chris Mortensen is right (altho he said recently that Parcells isn't returning his calls lately), Bill gave Jerry the benefit of the doubt last year with small fast defensive guys. It's not working this year. (Not trying to start a debate about Mario, etc. here.) So Bill will go after the big guys he loves next year.
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 01:10 PM
I wonder, too, if BP's comments about the 3-4 & trying to implement some schemes the past 2 years don't echo what someone posted yesterday that Jerry said. Something to the effect that the defense is struggling a bit because they're still getting used to new schemes (can't remember the exact post). I just have a feeling we're going to see a lot of defensive guys gone next year. I'm sure Dat & LaRoi & some others will be here, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see many new FAs in here. Not necessarily star FAs but good solid journeymen.
Was very intrigued by his comments on the dearth of good defensive players in drafts.
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 01:12 PM
Thanks once again, KM - I thought Bill sounded much "better" today - voice less tired, not as much evident frustration.
Yes, I was really surprised--but encouraged--at how chipper he was yesterday. He was a bit more of his testy self today, but not tired or discouraged sounding. Almost all of last week, he sounded really bad. Nothing like that these past 2 days. Interesting.
If Chris Mortensen is right (altho he said recently that Parcells isn't returning his calls lately), Bill gave Jerry the benefit of the doubt last year with small fast defensive guys. It's not working this year. (Not trying to start a debate about Mario, etc. here.) So Bill will go after the big guys he loves next year.
BOOK IT DANNO
BrAinPaiNt
11-18-2004, 01:17 PM
BOOK IT DANNO
Curious nors...I am sure you have already said it but I have probably just missed it.
But what D-Line FAs are you hoping we get...not draft picks...but D-line, and overall D players, would you target?
Oh and believe it or not I am actually asking without sarcasm. :cool:
Curious nors...I am sure you have already said it but I have probably just missed it.
But what D-Line FAs are you hoping we get...not draft picks...but D-line, and overall D players, would you target?
Oh and believe it or not I am actually asking without sarcasm. :cool:
I'll throw some names and thoughts out there - no time now.
Waffle
11-18-2004, 01:42 PM
I'll throw some names and thoughts out there - no time now.
I figured Nors would know off the top of his head what Patriot defensive players are slated to become Free Agents after the season. ;)
I figured Nors would know off the top of his head what Patriot defensive players are slated to become Free Agents after the season. ;)
cook up some names. Pats have won what 23 of 24 in a row?- LOL
Waffle
11-18-2004, 01:48 PM
cook up some names. Pats have won what 23 of 24 in a row?- LOL
I'm just playing around with you Nors!! :p
Kittymama
11-18-2004, 02:55 PM
cook up some names. Pats have won what 23 of 24 in a row?- LOL
Dare I point out that the much-maligned Dedric Ward played for the Pats last season? As part of their Super Bowl winning team?
silver
11-18-2004, 03:09 PM
Yes, I was really surprised--but encouraged--at how chipper he was yesterday. He was a bit more of his testy self today, but not tired or discouraged sounding. Almost all of last week, he sounded really bad. Nothing like that these past 2 days. Interesting.
watching film of baltimore offense as opposed to philly will cause a mood swing. travis taylor and kevin johnson won't remind anybody of terrell owens.
Curious nors...I am sure you have already said it but I have probably just missed it.
But what D-Line FAs are you hoping we get...not draft picks...but D-line, and overall D players, would you target?
Oh and believe it or not I am actually asking without sarcasm. :cool:
DT Dwan Edwards, Rashad Moore, S Rogers, J williams (SD) Ferguson, Ted Washington
DE/LB Abraham, M Douglas, Jarvis Green, S Pierson, Torbor
Masloski
DT Dwan Edwards, Rashad Moore, S Rogers, J williams (SD) Ferguson, Ted Washington
DE/LB Abraham, M Douglas, Jarvis Green, S Pierson, Torbor
Masloski
Dwan Edwards? He is a rookie on the Ravens active roster (a second round pick). How is he available?
Dwan Edwards? He is a rookie on the Ravens active roster (a second round pick). How is he available?
Add Travis Henry - RB
Lets see what Milk Jones can do here out.
MichaelWinicki
11-19-2004, 07:44 AM
Add Travis Henry - RB
Lets see what Milk Jones can do here out.
Travis Henry is not a free agent... won't be until after 2005.
Hostile
11-19-2004, 07:55 AM
Travis Henry is not a free agent... won't be until after 2005.
Never give facts to refute fantasies. ;)
MichaelWinicki
11-19-2004, 07:56 AM
Never give facts to refute fantasies. ;)
I'm just so damn stupid at times!
BrAinPaiNt
11-19-2004, 09:01 AM
DT Dwan Edwards, Rashad Moore, S Rogers, J williams (SD) Ferguson, Ted Washington
DE/LB Abraham, M Douglas, Jarvis Green, S Pierson, Torbor
Masloski
So we want players we can't have unless we give up some draft picks....in other words Torbor is not a FA, Edwards is not a FA, S.Rogers will most likely be Franchised, I don't think Rashad Moore is a FA, Abraham will probably be Franchised, Jarvis Green is not a FA.
So how many picks are we giving up to get these guys.
Sorry just does not sound very realistic...I could see if you just listed one or two guys that were not FAs and talked about trading...or a couple of guys that probably will not get Franchised...but this list is not a good list if you honestly think we can get these guys that are not FAs.
I will ask you this again...What FA's would you like to come in here.
Travis Henry is not a free agent... won't be until after 2005.
He'll be freakin available! :p
Free agency not the only player option.
I'd take a productive DRAFT for starters -
Ty Law too!
Waffle
11-19-2004, 12:13 PM
Free agency not the only player option. Agreed.
I'd take a productive DRAFT for starters - Agreed!
Ty Law too! Moronic statement. The fact you keep insisting that we should have traded a First Round Pick for an often injured (not even playing now), $10 million cap hitting, 30+ Cornerback on the downside of his career is so asinine, it amazes me you keep it up. :rolleyes:
You have NEVER provided any logic or reasoning for continuing to beat this dead horse. I guess it's because you have no reasonable explanation for your Ty Law infatuation. The guy is on his THIRD injury of the season and isn't even playing right now!!!!! We don't want and never will trade a First for him or his bloated salary. You propose to me a reasonable trade offer and restructured salary (much reduced!) for the old fart...then I will get off your case.
Agreed.
Agreed!
Moronic statement. The fact you keep insisting that we should have traded a First Round Pick for an often injured (not even playing now), $10 million cap hitting, 30+ Cornerback on the downside of his career is so asinine, it amazes me you keep it up. :rolleyes:
You have NEVER provided any logic or reasoning for continuing to beat this dead horse. I guess it's because you have no reasonable explanation for your Ty Law infatuation. The guy is on his THIRD injury of the season and isn't even playing right now!!!!! We don't want and never will trade a First for him or his bloated salary. You propose to me a reasonable trade offer and restructured salary (much reduced!) for the old fart...then I will get off your case.
1) We could have had Law for a $4-5M Cap hit to us. ughh - we gave the $ to VT, Wiley, George. How's that working out?
What have our RCB's done? Other THEN getting TOASTED all year........
At the time I thought we had Carter at QB, Jones Was to be feature back.
And a defense that might play aggressive this year.
That great news is we will get LAW at a far cheaper price in 2005!
Add Travis Henry - RB
Lets see what Milk Jones can do here out.
How will they be available? Trade? Who does Dallas have worth trading? Draft picks? I can't see that happening.
I think you have been spending too much time with your Scott Pioli Junior GM starter kit? Did you get a shirt too?
Why do you call him "Milk" Jones?
BrAinPaiNt
11-19-2004, 01:55 PM
How will they be available? Trade? Who does Dallas have worth trading? Draft picks? I can't see that happening.
Why do you call him "Milk" Jones?
Orange Julius does not translate well?
:D :p
1) We could have had Law for a $4-5M Cap hit to us. ughh - we gave the $ to VT, Wiley, George. How's that working out?
What have our RCB's done? Other THEN getting TOASTED all year........
At the time I thought we had Carter at QB, Jones Was to be feature back.
And a defense that might play aggressive this year.
That great news is we will get LAW at a far cheaper price in 2005!
Other than you saying it, you have offered no proof that Law was available. I am highly skeptical he would have redone his deal to give Dallas a sweetheart cap hit of $4-5 million when he was guaranteed $10 this year. I know you want this, but I still don't believe this deal was even discussed. Law wants a Champ Bailey payday, not to give somebody a hometown deal. Law and all his actions were all about the $$$.
I think you just get entertained seeing a message board react to the possibility.
Other than you saying it, you have offered no proof that Law was available. I am highly skeptical he would have redone his deal to give Dallas a sweetheart cap hit of $4-5 million when he was guaranteed $10 this year. I know you want this, but I still don't believe this deal was even discussed. Law wants a Champ Bailey payday, not to give somebody a hometown deal. Law and all his actions were all about the $$$.
I think you just get entertained seeing a message board react to the possibility.
Of course he was available - he was *****in and screaming to get out of NE! He carried a $10M cap hit to Pats going into season. Its naive to think he was not available.
Why all training camp did they have starting FS EUGENE WILSON
and WR TROY bROWN GETTING A LOT OF REPS AT cORRNER? :p
Law in 05!
Waffle
11-19-2004, 03:04 PM
1) We could have had Law for a $4-5M Cap hit to us. ughh - we gave the $ to VT, Wiley, George. How's that working out?
You have selective memory, Nors. Law wanted MORE money, not less. Remember? Even a $4-$5 million cap hit for a player that's INJURED and not playing is ridiculous as well. Yeah, or RCBs are getting toasted and would still be getting toasted with Law injured and sitting on the bench nursing his hamstring or ankle or whatever comes up next. Then we would eventually have to eat his fat contract and have more "dead money." Real smart. Think about this Nors...If Law is "so great", why didn't BB and Scott Pioli redo his contract? You are already on the record praising those two over and over again. So their reluctance to appease Law means they think the same thing about the player that I do.
That great news is we will get LAW at a far cheaper price in 2005!
It have to be "Blue Light Special" cheap for a guy who will be in his mid-30s pretty soon with diminishing skills and now has to be considered "injury prone." If he were an OL, then his age wouldn't be such a big deal.
You have selective memory, Nors. Law wanted MORE money, not less. Remember? Even a $4-$5 million cap hit for a player that's INJURED and not playing is ridiculous as well. Yeah, or RCBs are getting toasted and would still be getting toasted with Law injured and sitting on the bench nursing his hamstring or ankle or whatever comes up next. Then we would eventually have to eat his fat contract and have more "dead money." Real smart. Think about this Nors...If Law is "so great", why didn't BB and Scott Pioli redo his contract? You are already on the record praising those two over and over again. So their reluctance to appease Law means they think the same thing about the player that I do.
It have to be "Blue Light Special" cheap for a guy who will be in his mid-30s pretty soon with diminishing skills and now has to be considered "injury prone." If he were an OL, then his age wouldn't be such a big deal.
You spread a signing bonus over the contract. A concept you chose to ignore.
Law in 05!
Waffle
11-19-2004, 03:43 PM
You spread a signing bonus over the contract. A concept you chose to ignore.
Law in 05!!:eek: First, you ignored my question about Law and why BB and Pioli didn't extend or rework his contract since he's "sooo great"?? Why? Why Nors?? Any cute answer?? I didn't think so! You can't have it both ways...if BB and Pioli are "geniuses" and "master talent evaluators" as you post day after day, then their decision not to extend his contract speaks for itself...Face facts...BB and Pioli, your Dynamic Duo, believe that Ty Law is an injury prone, aging, 30 plus CB with diminishing skills. Your non-response to that just proves my point further.
And by the way, I didn't ignore anything about spreading signing bonuses over the contract. As a matter of fact, I addressed it in the "dead money" issue of my original post...a concept YOU choose to ignore. If we were to give Law (or any other injury prone older guy like Law) a signing bonus and he continues to sit squarely on the bench like he has most of the season, when he gets cut early...that cap hit accelerates and costs us immediately! (See Deion, Troy, Joey, etc). Why can't you seem to understand that concept? How much is Galloway costing us on today's cap because of our bonehead move to get him?
Stick to your original argument...we need to draft better. I along with Jimmy Johnson agree with you on that assessment. The draft is where you get your young, future players at reasonable prices.
"A great CB in '05!!" (Ty Law doesn't fit that description anymore)
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