Debate Thread

[Cajuncowboy]

Edit My bad wrong forum.

[Maikeru-sama]

Wrong forum :eek:

[DEZBRYANT x88x]

hey i think this should go in the political zone..if im not mistaken..lol

[Cajuncowboy]

I know, I know. :(

[Cajuncowboy]

Right forum this time. :laugh2:

This is Obama's plan.

Problem is that 50% of that 95% don't have a tax liability.

So what does that mean?

Redistribution of wealth

[Cajuncowboy]

McCain grew a pair.

"I'm not Bush. If you anted to run against him you should have done it 4 years ago."


:lmao2:

[Danny White]

Good line by McCain about Obama not running against Bush.

The more I look at it though, I think Americans are getting more and more used to the idea of voting for Obama. I don't see any game changing moments yet.

[Cajuncowboy]

Great line.

McCain is really starting to go after him.

[Danny White]

All I know is that I'm going to end up giving over half of my income to Obama to pay for his tax credits to those who don't even pay taxes. :(

I'm blessed to be doing well, and I don't mind paying my fair share, but that doesn't sound very fair.

[Cajuncowboy]

Obama doesn't get it. The taxes he proposes will crush the economy.

[CowboyPrincess]

McCain grew a pair.

"I'm not Bush. If you anted to run against him you should have done it 4 years ago."


:lmao2:

I literally applauded when he said that. Squashed the Bush comparison before it began

[Cajuncowboy]

McCain just nailed him on lying about campaign funding. And Obama just stumbled over it.

[Danny White]

That's it McCain... you've lost my vote. :laugh2:

Shut up about the Cardinals Cowboys game. :(

[Cajuncowboy]

OK, I'm off the McCain bandwagon.

Mentioned the Cowboys loss.


Booooooooooooooo!

[Bach]

How can you tell when Obama is lying? You see his lips move.

[Cajuncowboy]

Obama is getting exposed now. he can't answer the direct questions. When things get tough he can't handle it.

[CowboyPrincess]

I'm with y'all... Had to mention the loss...

[Danny White]

Obama's s-eating grin isn't helping here when McCain brought up ACORN.

[Cajuncowboy]

Lame on Ayers from Obama.

Never said anything about him supporting his political career.

[Thanos68]

All I know is that I'm going to end up giving over half of my income to Obama to pay for his tax credits to those who don't even pay taxes. :(

I'm blessed to be doing well, and I don't mind paying my fair share, but that doesn't sound very fair.

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

[Bach]

Obama is smooth at trying to cover his butt. He's also the biggest liar to run for Prez since Bill Clinton, who by the way, was pretty good at covering his behind too.

[Cajuncowboy]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

Fork it over to who? You?

Get out and make more money then.

Geez, the nerve.

I hope you are just kidding and are not serious.

[Thanos68]

How can you tell when Obama is lying? You see his lips move.

Every add I have seen from McCain has been negative. Have you seen ONE stinking add from McCain where he personally speaks to you and tells you what he will do ? I haven't. Not one.

[MetalHead]

[qTuote=Danny White;2344183]That's it McCain... you've lost my vote. :laugh2:

Shut up about the Cardinals Cowboys game. :([/quote]

That was uncalled for.

[CowboyPrincess]

Obama isn't helping himself by laughing or smirking at McCain when he makes a legitimate point...

[Bach]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

They're already paying far more than anyone else.

Why do you think you're entitled to it? Maybe you should look into getting a job instead of living off the governments teet.

[ChldsPlay]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

Ok math majors, 10% of $250,000 is MORE than 10% of 100,000.

So in case you don't understand I'll explain. Even if they were paying the same percentage they would be paying more! They already pay a higher percentage meaning they pay even more on top of that. Nobama wants to make them pay for everything so idiots who vote for him can sit and be lazy and contribute to the collapse of the US. They being stupid will vote for him again.

[MetalHead]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

Why should I be penalized for being successful?
Envy paved the road to communism.

[Bach]

Every add I have seen from McCain has been negative. Have you seen ONE stinking add from McCain where he personally speaks to you and tells you what he will do ? I haven't. Not one.

You should look harder. I've seen plenty of Obama's that have been filled with lies and attacks. And he's run more than double the negative ads than McCain has.

[Bizwah]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

You should have a problem with it.

People just don't understand economics.

While taxing the rich seems like a great idea, it's dangerous.

They're the ones that drive the economy...

What do you think will happen if we have huge taxes on coporations? Do you think they'll simply say, "Darn....you guys got us....take our money?"

No....they'll simply cut back on jobs, raise the prices of their goods, or move their factories to countries that don't cost as much.

[Cajuncowboy]

Ok math majors, 10% of $250,000 is MORE than 10% of 100,000.

So in case you don't understand I'll explain. Even if they were paying the same percentage they would be paying more! They already pay a higher percentage meaning they pay even more on top of that. Nobama wants to make them pay for everything so idiots who vote for him can sit and be lazy and contribute to the collapse of the US. They being stupid will vote for him again.

Well said.

[Bach]

Ok math majors, 10% of $250,000 is MORE than 10% of 100,000.

So in case you don't understand I'll explain. Even if they were paying the same percentage they would be paying more! They already pay a higher percentage meaning they pay even more on top of that. Nobama wants to make them pay for everything so idiots who vote for him can sit and be lazy and contribute to the collapse of the US. They being stupid will vote for him again.

You'll probably need to post it slower for him to understand.

[Cajuncowboy]

At the midway point, this is a total domination by McCain.

[Bach]

At the midway point, this is a total domination by McCain.

Yep. He wasn't kidding the other day when he said he was going to kick Obama's "you know what".

[Phantom]

What did Obama say he was going to do about NAFTA?

[Danny White]

They're already paying far more than anyone else.

Why do you think you're entitled to it? Maybe you should look into getting a job instead of living off the governments teet.

Anyone who thinks that 55% is "fair" needs to have their head examined.

People will lose their jobs in droves if small business owners are taxed at that rate. Obama and his liberal acolytes just don't seem to understand that.

[Bizwah]

At the midway point, this is a total domination by McCain.

I don't think the public will see it that way.

Folks are so swayed by smooth talkers. Hand it to Obama....He's a great speaker. Confident.....much like JFK.

Americans are suckers for that.

[CowboyPrincess]

McCain is schooling Obama tonight and I'm starting to see Obama's tail tuck.. He keeps losing his thought and repeating words and saying "ah" alot

[JBond]

If you're making over 250K I have no problem with you paying more than me. I think he keeps saying that the middle class taxes will not be raised at all. If you are above middle class you should pay more than middle class. Fork it over buddy.

I take it that you have never run a small business.

[Cajuncowboy]

Anyone who thinks that 55% is "fair" needs to have their head examined.

People will lose their jobs in droves if small business owners are taxed at that rate. Obama and his liberal acolytes just don't seem to understand that.

I know of three who are planning a 15% layoff the day after the election if Obama wins.

That's just what I know of.

[Danny White]

Nice job John! Great job. "Look at his words."

Now just shut up about the Cardinals.

[Cajuncowboy]

Eloquence Vs. Words.


Nice line.

And very true.

[Bach]

Anyone who thinks that 55% is "fair" needs to have their head examined.

People will lose their jobs in droves if small business owners are taxed at that rate. Obama and his liberal acolytes just don't seem to understand that.

But it sounds so good to say you're going to sock it to the rich. And the mindless masses fall for it and never think of the consequences. Nor have they figured out that the poor are still poor despite decades of free give aways.

[JBond]

You should have a problem with it.

People just don't understand economics.

While taxing the rich seems like a great idea, it's dangerous.

They're the ones that drive the economy...

What do you think will happen if we have huge taxes on coporations? Do you think they'll simply say, "Darn....you guys got us....take our money?"

No....they'll simply cut back on jobs, raise the prices of their goods, or move their factories to countries that don't cost as much.

Bingo. We have a winner. I have been saying the same thing for months.

[Bach]

McCain is schooling Obama tonight and I'm starting to see Obama's tail tuck.. He keeps losing his thought and repeating words and saying "ah" alot

I wish McCain had been this determined the last two outings.

[MetalHead]

I take it that you have never run a small business.

I would not let him run a hot dog cart.

[Cajuncowboy]

I wish McCain had been this determined the last two outings.

Me too. Part of the source of my frustration after the last debate.

[Cajuncowboy]

I would not let him run a hot dog cart.

I would. I would pay him minimum wage so he could prosper under Obama's tax policies and get that extra 500.00 a year he thinks he will get.

[Bizwah]

Bingo. We have a winner. I have been saying the same thing for months.

Thanks.....I've always wanted to win something.

But seriously...why is it so hard for Americans to see?

[Cajuncowboy]

They are on socialized medicine now.

Keep talking Obama.

[Bach]

Going back to Ayers. When McCain said Obama launched his career in Ayers living room, Obama said "that's not true."

So, is this not true or just word games Obama is playing? Was it actually the family room or was it not exactly a "launch"?

This has been widely reported so either it's not true or Obama is once again lying through his teeth or he's playing Clinton's game of what does "is" mean.

[CowboyPrincess]

Thanks.....I've always wanted to win something.

But seriously...why is it so hard for Americans to see?

I asked the same thing during the clinton years...

[Bach]

Thanks.....I've always wanted to win something.

But seriously...why is it so hard for Americans to see?

They'll blinded by empty words, like: change. hope. dreams.

[Cajuncowboy]

Going back to Ayers. When McCain said Obama launched his career in Ayers living room, Obama said "that's not true."

So, is this not true or just word games Obama is playing? Was it actually the family room or was it not exactly a "launch"?

This has been widely reported so either it's not true or Obama is once again lying through his teeth or he's playing Clinton's game of what does "is" mean.

He through him his coming out party. Whether in his living room or the bath room, what would it matter? It's like you said, it's like the definition of "IS".

[CowboyPrincess]

I want McCain to bring up the fine to parents that can't afford health insurance for their children that Obame mentioned in the last debate

[Bach]

What I want to know is, why does Barack hate Joe the plumber?

[MetalHead]

I know of three who are planning a 15% layoff the day after the election if Obama wins.

That's just what I know of.

Watch the Asian market on election night.

[Cajuncowboy]

I asked the same thing during the clinton years...

They were enamored with the finger wag and the occasional tear.

[CowboyPrincess]

YEAH!!! He just mentioned it as I posted... And asked what the fine will be.



ZERO???? He never said anything about exemptions last time and he never specified that it was for businesses.. the suggested it would be families last time

[Cajuncowboy]

Obama just lied about his plan regarding the fine for not providing the health care.

[Bach]

Obama just lied about his plan regarding the fine for not providing the health care.

It's what he does best.

[Cajuncowboy]

LOL.

McCain called Obama "Senator government."

[CowboyPrincess]

Senator Government... I mean Senator Obama... LOL:laugh2:

[Big Dakota]

Senator Government... I mean Senator Obama... LOL:laugh2:

That was funny as hell:lmao2:

[CowboyPrincess]

Roe vs Wade... oh boy.. here we go

[Danny White]

McCain is rambling on the justice question.

I don't really trust McCain on judges and he's not making me feel a whole lot better here.

[Danny White]

If I was a pro-choicer, I'd be much happier with Obama's answer than pro-lifers should be with McCains.

[MetalHead]

That was funny as hell:lmao2:

Not as funny as the schooling Barack is receiving tonight.

[RainMan]

Does Joe the plumber post here?

[Bach]

If I was a pro-choicer, I'd be much happier with Obama's answer than pro-lifers should be with McCains.

That's true. Democrats always select liberals to the court. Republicans, it's 50/50 whether they'll nominate a conservative.

[Cajuncowboy]

If I was a pro-choicer, I'd be much happier with Obama's answer than pro-lifers should be with McCains.

I wasn't thrilled with it but he said that he would take it into consideration when looking at the qualifications. He was rather ambiguous for sure.

[theebs]

Not as funny as the schooling Barack is receiving tonight.


good thing your objective.

You definitely dont have a horse in this race.

[Danny White]

OK, McCain, you're doing a bit better now. Obama needs to be called out here. And stop grinning you dope.

[MetalHead]

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your record speaks for itself!

[Tennione72]

Obama just lied about his plan regarding the fine for not providing the health care.

How do you know that? Because McCain said he was lying

[Cajuncowboy]

good thing your objective.

You definitely dont have a horse in this race.

He is getting schooled here.

[Bach]

Not as funny as the schooling Barack is receiving tonight.

Unfortunately Obama already sent his talking points to the media, so they'll probably base their analysis off that instead of the actual debate.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/15/obama_talking_points_made_public.html

[MetalHead]

good thing your objective.

You definitely dont have a horse in this race.

I don't
Ron Paul and Barbaro are together tonight.

[Cajuncowboy]

How do you know that? Because McCain said he was lying

Because as a business owner, I've seen the plan and know what it says. He is simply treading water right now.

[CowboyPrincess]

I am against abortion unless life threatening

but as a pro abortion argument what I don't like is that it's all about the woman's decision. Though I'm a woman, I think the man has a right in the decision as well. It takes two to make a baby and they should both have rights and if they can't agree, the baby is born and the parent that wants it can raise them


As an anti abortion person... I believe that all life is sacred and if they don't want the baby.. there are people such as my self that can't have a baby of their own and have adopted and would love to adopt

[Cajuncowboy]

I am against abortion unless life threatening

but as a pro abortion argument what I don't like is that it's all about the woman's decision. Though I'm a woman, I think the man has a right in the decision as well. It takes two to make a baby and they should both have rights and if they can't agree, the baby is born and the parent that wants it can raise them


As an anti abortion person... I believe that all life is sacred and if they don't want the baby.. there are people such as my self that can't have a baby of their own and have adopted and would love to adopt

Excellent points.

Especially from your perspective as a woman.

Thank you.

[Thanos68]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.

[Cajuncowboy]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.

Now there's a substantive observation.

:rolleyes:

[CowboyPrincess]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.

It's the lighting... I do the same thing with bright lights or sun light... my eyes are very light sensitive

[theebs]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.


that is annoying..

and obama whistles his S's...

I had to turn it off and go back to the baseball game.

Obamas whistling is driving me nuts.

[Cajuncowboy]

that is annoying..

and obama whistles his S's...

I had to turn it off and go back to the baseball game.

Obamas whistling is driving me nuts.

haha. You guys are hilarious.

[MetalHead]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.

Wow...now we know who to take seriously.

[Cajuncowboy]

Obama's ears are freaking weird.

They look like a taxi cab with it's doors open.

:bang2:

[Trouble]

God, McCain is a blinking fool. The guy can't stop blinking..Now that I noticed it..it's freaking me out.


Step away from the bong, take a deep breath, and go see what you have to eat in your fridge.




:starspin

[Hoofbite]

good thing your objective.

You definitely dont have a horse in this race.

:lmao2:

I can't wait to see the other side come in and claim victory as well.

Too damn funny. Both guys are 3-0 and both are 0-3, depending on who you ask.

[Bach]

Obama's ears are freaking weird.

They look like a taxi cab with it's doors open.

:bang2:

:laugh2:

An empty taxi cab at that.

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2:

I can't wait to see the other side come in and claim victory as well.


They will when they get done watching MSNBC.

[CowboyPrincess]

Very nice close by McCain


honored and humbled..

[BigDFan5]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/BigDFan5/1218250489_obamahopenosisfr5.gif

[Danny White]

Did McCain close any ground here tonight?

He was certainly fired up, but I don't think he scored a big enough blow to halt Barack's momentum.

[Cajuncowboy]

LOL.

Obama still running against Bush.

Idiot.

[MetalHead]

Someone tell Obama Bush is not running for president!

[CowboyPrincess]

Obama... "Policies I've fought for my whole career"


A whole 4 yrs!

[Thanos68]

Step away from the bong, take a deep breath, and go see what you have to eat in your fridge.




:starspin


Dude, I just said he was blinking alot. Ever notice a habit of someone and then have it kind of be annoying? I didn't say I wouldn't vote for him because of it. I wouldn't vote for him because he is an idiot..not because of blinking. sheesh.

[Cajuncowboy]

Did McCain close any ground here tonight?

He was certainly fired up, but I don't think he scored a big enough blow to halt Barack's momentum.

Depends. It's all about the spin. If people who were undecided at this point look at this honestly, then yes.

[Hoofbite]

"Good job, good job, good job"

[Thanos68]

Very nice close by McCain


honored and humbled..

That does it...He said honored and humbled..he has my vote..:lmao2:

[Hoofbite]

Dude, I just said he was blinking alot. Ever notice a habit of someone and then have it kind of be annoying? I didn't say I wouldn't vote for him because of it. I wouldn't vote for him because he is an idiot..not because of blinking. sheesh.

I noticed it and like theebs mentioned, I notice the whistle-pig up there talking as well.

[poke]

i have been taught that if you cant say something nice about someone
just say nothing........

after reading this thread after watching the debate i will say...

DannyWhite....you seem to be objective when scoring who was doing good
and I complement YOU for that.

[Hoofbite]

Did I just hear "nothing like the wisdom of the American people during the postgame wrap-up"?

[CowboyPrincess]

That does it...He said honored and humbled..he has my vote..:lmao2:

He said that he came from a long line of McCains that have served and he spent his whole life serving this country with honor and would love the chance to serve again... that he would be honored and humbled..

*** what's so funny about being honored and humbled?????????

[MetalHead]

That does it...He said honored and humbled..he has my vote..:lmao2:

Hey..are you still up?
Don't you have a hot dog cart to run?

[Wheat]

Both guys did well. I didn't see anything that changes the dynamics....unless I totally missed something.

The shots of the guy NOT speaking were kind of weird. Did they realize they were always on camera? Some of the facial expressions were super akward.

[Thanos68]

Hey..are you still up?
Don't you have a hot dog cart to run?

Ummm is the picture in your avatar you? And you think I am running a hot dog cart?:lmao:

[WoodysGirl]

i have been taught that if you cant say something nice about someone
just say nothing........

after reading this thread after watching the debate i will say...

DannyWhite....you seem to be objective when scoring who was doing good
and I complement YOU for that.
DW is a good guy.

[MetalHead]

Ummm is the picture in your avatar you? And you think I am running a hot dog cart?:lmao:

Only a fool would believe that.
Go ask Sasquatch if he's the one in his avatar...you'll never believe the answer.

[Thanos68]

She's the one with the money. You really are clueless.

Well I admit..I didn't know that. Just kind of odd how someone his age can still keep her around.

[Cajuncowboy]

Well I admit..I didn't know that. Just kind of odd how someone his age can still keep her around.

Maybe it's love.

What a novel thought. :rolleyes:

[MetalHead]

DW is a good guy.

What about me?
You know you love me.
:bounce:

[Thanos68]

Are all 172 of your posts this stupid?

You voted for and defend Bush and you are calling me stupid..oh that is RICH..:lmao::lmao2::laugh2:

[Cajuncowboy]

What about me?
You know you love me.
:bounce:

Yeah, I am at the top of her list too but only because I peep her swag. :laugh2:

[CowboyPrincess]

Only a fool would believe that.
Go ask Sasquatch if he's the one in his avatar...you'll never believe the answer.

He thought you were dimebag darrell... Dang! You look great for a dead guy:laugh1:

[poke]

DW is a good guy.

thats what i was saying....i hope it didnt come across as something else

[Cajuncowboy]

You voted for and defend Bush and you are calling me stupid..oh that is RICH..:lmao::lmao2::laugh2:

Yes, I'm calling your posts stupid.

[WoodysGirl]

Guys please tone down the extra...

:cool:

[WoodysGirl]

thats what i was saying....i hope it didnt come across as something else
I was just agreeing with you..

[Bach]

You voted for and defend Bush and you are calling me stupid..oh that is RICH..:lmao::lmao2::laugh2:

Yeah, cause I guess that means you voted for Gore and Kerry. :lmao:

That is of course, if you're even old enough to vote.

[Thanos68]

Yes, I'm calling your posts stupid.

I aim to please..and like watching you guys get all caught up in a tizzy over what is posted on a messageboard. It's quite comical.

[poke]

I was just agreeing with you..


oh good i know in this zone sometimes things get taken differently than
they are meant.

[adamc91115]

I found the debate to be rather boring, honestly.

The only part that really caught my attention was McCain saying "I am not George Bush. If you wanted to run against George Bush you should have run 4 years ago"

Other than that I was half way asleep.

[MetalHead]

He thought you were dimebag darrell... Dang! You look great for a dead guy:laugh1:

RIP King Dime.
We miss you brother.
:(

[bbgun]

Every Republican with a pulse was waiting for Mac to excoriate Obama for Ayers, Wright and ACORN. When given the opportunity, he punted. He should have had a methodical, devastating, two-minute answer prepared. Instead, we got an exasperated grin. Meekness won't win you the election, John, and it may cost you my vote.

[Cajuncowboy]

I aim to please..and like watching you guys get all caught up in a tizzy over what is posted on a messageboard. It's quite comical.

Up to 167 posts and I'll bet they are all alike.

[CowboyPrincess]

RIP King Dime.
We miss you brother.
:(

Amen brother... amen

[adamc91115]

Every Republican with a pulse was waiting for Mac to excoriate Obama for Ayers, Wright and ACORN. When given the opportunity, he punted. He should have had a methodical, devastating, two-minute answer prepared. Instead, we got an exasperated grin. Meekness won't win you the election, John, and it may cost you my vote.

I was watching O'Reilly before the debate and Dick Morris said exactly what McCain should say.

Theres probably a clip somewhere but it was exactly what you said, a two-minute devastating answer.

[Rowdy]

Every Republican with a pulse was waiting for Mac to excoriate Obama for Ayers, Wright and ACORN. When given the opportunity, he punted. He should have had a methodical, devastating, two-minute answer prepared. Instead, we got an exasperated grin. Meekness won't win you the election, John, and it may cost you my vote.

If McCain was meek then you would probably vote for the joker.

[Bach]

Every Republican with a pulse was waiting for Mac to excoriate Obama for Ayers, Wright and ACORN. When given the opportunity, he punted. He should have had a methodical, devastating, two-minute answer prepared. Instead, we got an exasperated grin. Meekness won't win you the election, John, and it may cost you my vote.

By going more offensive, he would've risked alienating more of the independents/undecideds who apparently don't care about this issue.

But if he loses his base by being tougher then it's over anyway.

He was in a tough position, but since he's talked about it the last few weeks, then he should've been ready to deal with it tonight. But instead he looked like he wished it wasn't brought up.

Overall I thought McCain did good tonight. But, he was weak on the Ayers issue and it all may be too little too late.

[CowboyPrincess]

Our last two presidents we elected men with almost no long term experience, both being governors. I was really hoping for a president with long term experience this time around... John McCain has a lifetime of government service and I feel has the experience we need. Obama has only a few yrs of experience and we really haven't gotten to see if we can trust him with the power to run this country and that scares me.

[Danny White]

DW is a good guy.

thats what i was saying....i hope it didnt come across as something else

Thanks, it's appreciated.

I have very set views on things and am definitely not a "middle-of-the-road" kind of guy... but I try to be as intellectually honest as possible.

[Danny White]

Up to 167 posts and I'll bet they are all alike.

Just ignore him... it's a lot easier than getting worked up about his worthless drivel.

I put him on ignore after his first PZ post.

[Sasquatch]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

[Rowdy]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

And you sir can retreat to your little neck of the woods behind CNN.

[MetalHead]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

What were you watching,Alice in Wonderland?

[vta]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

I disagree.
McCain was trounced in the first debate, he actually did a lot better this time around. He did some rambling of course, but was more forthcoming with some of his answers.

[CowboyPrincess]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

Huh?? Someone is smoking crack and it ain't me. This was the best done debate of them all. And McCain didn't score a TD but I think he did advance the ball quite a bit

[DaBoys4Life]

can I get a recap.....

[CowboyPrincess]

can I get a recap.....

I think they said the transcripts are at a website called mydebates.com

[trickblue]

I missed the debate tonight...

I'm in Nashville and our vendor took us out to dinner...

Sounds like McCain was a bit stronger tonight from what I'm reading and watching, but that there was no real defining moments to change much...

We'll have to wait for the poll coming out November 4th...

[avaj]

Huh?? Someone is smoking crack and it ain't me. This was the best done debate of them all. And McCain didn't score a TD but I think he did advance the ball quite a bit

TD wins games

[ScipioCowboy]

Most lopsided debate of the three. Obama is looking more and more presidential.

Your last sentence stumbles onto something. In the era of television, physical appearance is at least as important as a candidate's substance and the effectiveness with which he expresses that substance.

Ask Ron Paul.

For this reason, McCain's people should've fought tooth and nail against split screens; when the two candidate are placed side by side, Obama is the more presidential looking...by a substantial margin.

[Rowdy]

TD wins games

Talking with your lips moving but not reallly saying anything doesn't exactly light up the scoreboard.

[Rowdy]

Your last sentence stumbles onto something. In the era of television, physical appearance is at least as important as a candidate's substance and the effectiveness with which he expresses that substance.

Ask Ron Paul.

For this reason, McCain's people should've fought tooth and nail against split screens; when the two candidate are placed side by side, Obama is the more presidential looking...by a substantial margin.

Hmm interesting take considering the canary-eating look Obama had on his face several times.

[ScipioCowboy]

Hmm interesting take considering the canary-eating look Obama had on his face several times.

I'm speaking purely in terms of physical characteristics: height, physical attractiveness, the right balance of youth and maturity, vocal inflections, etc.

[avaj]

Talking with your lips moving but not reallly saying anything doesn't exactly light up the scoreboard.

W is W

[Rowdy]

I'm speaking purely in terms of physical characteristics: height, physical attractiveness, the right balance of youth and maturity, vocal inflections, etc.

I see.

[Rowdy]

W is W

l o l

[Sasquatch]

I disagree.
McCain was trounced in the first debate, .

The one on foreign policy? I beg to differ. The story from that debate was that Obama managed to hold his own.

[CowboyPrincess]

Actually... I take that back..

I think McCain scored a TD with his remark to Obama about not being Bush and that if he wanted to run against Bush, he should have run 4 yrs ago.

I think the extra point was a 2 pt conversion with the "Senator Government, I mean Senator Obama" remark

[ConcordCowboy]

Very pleased with Obama again tonight.

Another win for him.

This wasn't the game changer that McCain needed and all the flash polls are coming back big for Obama.

Nice!

http://johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/barack-obama.jpg

[CowboyPrincess]

Not all..........

Fox text vote has over 90,000 votes so far and the results are

Who won the debate tonight?

McCain - 87%
Obama - 11%
Undecided - 2%

[avaj]

Actually... I take that back..

I think McCain scored a TD with his remark to Obama about not being Bush and that if he wanted to run against Bush, he should have run 4 yrs ago.

I think the extra point was a 2 pt conversion with the "Senator Government, I mean Senator Obama" remark

8 pts for the whole game :rolleyes:

[Sasquatch]

Huh?? Someone is smoking crack and it ain't me. This was the best done debate of them all. And McCain didn't score a TD but I think he did advance the ball quite a bit

It's my honest opinion.

McCain appeared agitated, eager to provoke a mistake, and smugly incredulous when Obama skillfully parried his various attacks. The Ayers and Acorn exchange was a particularly weak point for McCain tonight.

Obama, on the other hand, was self-possessed, calm, and confident which is very reassuring to people in these turbulent times.

Much of McCain's strategy has revolved around establishing the unsuitability of Obama for the office whether it's his inexperience of his questionable associations. An articulate, poised, and unflappable performance by Obama in these debates has thrown a serious monkey wrench into that strategy.

[MetalHead]

The one on foreign policy? I beg to differ. The story from that debate was that Obama managed to hold his own.

The story from that debate is Obama destroyed McCain.
Ask CNN,NBC,MSNBC,CBS....

I see you have a short memory.

[Rowdy]

Very pleased with Obama again tonight.

Another win for him.

This wasn't the game changer that McCain needed and all the flash polls are coming back big for Obama.

Nice!

http://johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/barack-obama.jpg

Of course you're pleased. You wouldn't say otherwise. At least there have been a number of non partisan people as well as partisan people give their dues to Obama when he did his part but yet McCain did his and current polling shows it and you put on the smile like its all good.

See you for battle next month...

[ConcordCowboy]

It's my honest opinion.

McCain appeared agitated, eager to provoke a mistake, and smugly incredulous when Obama skillfully parried his various attacks. The Ayers and Acorn exchange was a particularly weak point for McCain tonight.

Obama, on the other hand, was self-possessed, calm, and confident which is very reassuring to people in these turbulent times.

Much of McCain's strategy has revolved around establishing the unsuitability of Obama for the office whether it's his inexperience of his questionable associations. An articulate, poised, and unflappable performance by Obama in these debates has thrown a serious monkey wrench into that strategy.

Yeah very Presidential like.

;)

[Rowdy]

Yeah very Presidential like.

;)

You mean President Clinton like.

[MetalHead]

It's my honest opinion.

McCain appeared agitated, eager to provoke a mistake, and smugly incredulous when Obama skillfully parried his various attacks. The Ayers and Acorn exchange was a particularly weak point for McCain tonight.

Obama, on the other hand, was self-possessed, calm, and confident which is very reassuring to people in these turbulent times.

Much of McCain's strategy has revolved around establishing the unsuitability of Obama for the office whether it's his inexperience of his questionable associations. An articulate, poised, and unflappable performance by Obama in these debates has thrown a serious monkey wrench into that strategy.

Huh?
Are you a campaing operative?
How much is ACORN paying these days?

You watched something else.

[ConcordCowboy]

Of course you're pleased. You wouldn't say otherwise. At least there have been a number of non partisan people as well as partisan people give their dues to Obama when he did his part but yet McCain did his and current polling shows it and you put on the smile like its all good.

See you for battle next month...

I'm pleased because he did well.

What do want me to do tell you he did well...but hey I'm displeased?

McCain had his moments...but no where near...not even close enough to being the game changer that he needed.

And that pleases me too.

[ConcordCowboy]

You mean President Clinton like.

Clinton was President.

Obama will be too.

McCain will not.

And that's a good thing.

I didn't vote for Clinton...so you can attack him to someone who did.

:laugh2:

[avaj]

You watched something else.

No you did

[CowboyPrincess]

My son is pro Obama and just got home from work. He is 3nd yr debate at school and went to state last yr and was the only one from his school and in central Texas to medal. I recorded the debate and he's watching it now. It will be interesting to get his take on the debate. Especially since the subject for debate this year is the economy

[Rowdy]

Clinton was President.

Obama will be too.

McCain will not.

And that's a good thing.

I didn't vote for Clinton...so you can attack him to someone who did.

:laugh2:


I look forward to Nov 4th is all I have to say.

[ConcordCowboy]

I look forward to Nov 4th is all I have to say.

Me too...it's going to be a great day.

But not for you I think.

;)

[avaj]

Me too...it's going to be a great day.

But not for you I think.

;)


:laugh2:

I so agree, I wonder what all the Obama haters are going to do

[CowboyPrincess]

So far, my sons reaction has been..........

He reacted to McCain talking about Joe the plumber talking to Obama about being put in a new tax bracket under the Obama plan. He said "Ouch"

He said "Impossible with what is going on right now, we can't afford that" when Obama suggested 95% of americans would get a tax break

He called "Spreading the wealth around" communism - command economy and that we want a free economy

He said Africa would be screwed if Obama went through the federal budget and took out what didn't work and his family is there in poverty already

[Heisenberg]

Well, this debate, to me, was pretty damn boring. I know the answers before they say them. That means I'm a political nerd I guess. :) All the focus groups and actual phone polling done are showing Obama won this one by a bigger margin than the others. So, he'll probably get a bounce out of it like he did the others and by the time that bounce fades, like they always do, we'll be that much closer to the election.

And on the 29th, he'll have 30 minutes of unchallenged messaging on all the major networks.

I hesitate to say it's over, but well, it's over.

[webby75216]

:laugh2:

I so agree, I wonder what all the Obama haters are going to do



:cry2: :cry2:

[ConcordCowboy]

:laugh2:

I so agree, I wonder what all the Obama haters are going to do

http://caosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/lemmings.jpg

:p:

[Heisenberg]

I think one point where Obama just scores every single time is healthcare. He seems VERY comfortable talking about it and always looks right at the camera and tells people exactly what his plan proposes.

Every time healthcare is brought up in a debate, I know Obama is going to knock it out of the park. I think debating Hillary Clinton over and over again has helped him immensely in areas like that.

[CowboyPrincess]

He said "Oh Crap, that hurt" when John McCain made the remark about not being Bush

He just said "Stop smiling and say something" to Obama

He's confused on why Obama said that "Clean Coal" would make him unpopular with environmentalist. Thinks he miss spoke

Said McCain got the experience question hands down and that Obama needs to step it up

Said McCain hurt Obama with the negative campaign question and that he can't believe Obama just lied about not being as negative and that McCains ads have been 100% negative.

He's getting frustrated with Obama

[ConcordCowboy]

Well, this debate, to me, was pretty damn boring. I know the answers before they say them. That means I'm a political nerd I guess. :) All the focus groups and actual phone polling done are showing Obama won this one by a bigger margin than the others. So, he'll probably get a bounce out of it like he did the others and by the time that bounce fades, like they always do, we'll be that much closer to the election.

I know exactly what you mean.

When Obama was talking about Healthcare...I said to my wife...here comes McCain's...well tell us about your fine for not having Healthcare.

BINGO!

There it was.

We just laughed.

And on the 29th, he'll have 30 minutes of unchallenged messaging on all the major networks.

I hesitate to say it's over, but well, it's over.



God I hope you're right.

Knock on Wood.

[CowboyPrincess]

Erik just laughed and said "McCain just lost your vote" when he mentioned the Cowboys game

[cowboys#1]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2vb3qlc.jpg

[Heisenberg]

That's a weird expression.

I raise you another one:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg

[Sasquatch]

For those who missed the episode that is being hooplaed here as brilliant moment for McCain, judge for yourself:

MCCAIN: Yes. Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago. I'm going to give a new direction to this economy in this country.

OBAMA: So the fact of the matter is that if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies, it's because on the core economic issues that matter to the American people, on tax policy, on energy policy, on spending priorities, you have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush.

Now, you've shown independence -- commendable independence, on some key issues like torture, for example, and I give you enormous credit for that. But when it comes to economic policies, essentially what you're proposing is eight more years of the same thing. And it hasn't worked.

And I think the American people understand it hasn't worked. We need to move in a new direction.

[Sasquatch]

And another exchange:

MCCAIN: Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers, I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.

We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for "lighting and site selection." So all of these things need to be examined, of course.

SCHIEFFER: All right. I'm going to let you respond and we'll extend this for a moment.

OBAMA: Bob, I think it's going to be important to just -- I'll respond to these two particular allegations that Senator McCain has made and that have gotten a lot of attention.

In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain's campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus. So let's get the record straight. Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.

Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts. Ten years ago he served and I served on a school reform board that was funded by one of Ronald Reagan's former ambassadors and close friends, Mr. Annenberg.

Other members on that board were the presidents of the University of Illinois, the president of Northwestern University, who happens to be a Republican, the president of The Chicago Tribune, a Republican- leaning newspaper.

Mr. Ayers is not involved in my campaign. He has never been involved in this campaign. And he will not advise me in the White House. So that's Mr. Ayers.

Now, with respect to ACORN, ACORN is a community organization. Apparently what they've done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn't really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names.

It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

Now, the reason I think that it's important to just get these facts out is because the allegation that Senator McCain has continually made is that somehow my associations are troubling.

Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.

Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Senator McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.

MCCAIN: Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So -- and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers' living room.

OBAMA: That's absolutely not true.

MCCAIN: And the facts are facts and records are records.

OBAMA: And that's not the facts.

MCCAIN: And it's not the fact -- it's not the fact that Senator Obama chooses to associate with a guy who in 2001 said that he wished he had have bombed more, and he had a long association with him. It's the fact that all the -- all of the details need to be known about Senator Obama's relationship with them and with ACORN and the American people will make a judgment.

And my campaign is about getting this economy back on track, about creating jobs, about a brighter future for America. And that's what my campaign is about and I'm not going to raise taxes the way Senator Obama wants to raise taxes in a tough economy. And that's really what this campaign is going to be about.

[ConcordCowboy]

For those who missed the episode that is being hooplaed here as brilliant moment for McCain, judge for yourself:

MCCAIN: Yes. Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago. I'm going to give a new direction to this economy in this country.

OBAMA: So the fact of the matter is that if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies, it's because on the core economic issues that matter to the American people, on tax policy, on energy policy, on spending priorities, you have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush.

Now, you've shown independence -- commendable independence, on some key issues like torture, for example, and I give you enormous credit for that. But when it comes to economic policies, essentially what you're proposing is eight more years of the same thing. And it hasn't worked.

And I think the American people understand it hasn't worked. We need to move in a new direction.


It was a good hit by McCain...But Obama hit him right back with the if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies...

If people think that's a game changer...they are going to be sorely disappointed.

If that's the best McCain's got...

He's done.

[ConcordCowboy]

And another exchange:

MCCAIN: Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers, I don't care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.

We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama's relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. The same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for "lighting and site selection." So all of these things need to be examined, of course.

SCHIEFFER: All right. I'm going to let you respond and we'll extend this for a moment.

OBAMA: Bob, I think it's going to be important to just -- I'll respond to these two particular allegations that Senator McCain has made and that have gotten a lot of attention.

In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain's campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus. So let's get the record straight. Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.

Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts. Ten years ago he served and I served on a school reform board that was funded by one of Ronald Reagan's former ambassadors and close friends, Mr. Annenberg.

Other members on that board were the presidents of the University of Illinois, the president of Northwestern University, who happens to be a Republican, the president of The Chicago Tribune, a Republican- leaning newspaper.

Mr. Ayers is not involved in my campaign. He has never been involved in this campaign. And he will not advise me in the White House. So that's Mr. Ayers.

Now, with respect to ACORN, ACORN is a community organization. Apparently what they've done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn't really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names.

It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

Now, the reason I think that it's important to just get these facts out is because the allegation that Senator McCain has continually made is that somehow my associations are troubling.

Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.

Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Senator McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.

MCCAIN: Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So -- and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers' living room.

OBAMA: That's absolutely not true.

MCCAIN: And the facts are facts and records are records.

OBAMA: And that's not the facts.

MCCAIN: And it's not the fact -- it's not the fact that Senator Obama chooses to associate with a guy who in 2001 said that he wished he had have bombed more, and he had a long association with him. It's the fact that all the -- all of the details need to be known about Senator Obama's relationship with them and with ACORN and the American people will make a judgment.

And my campaign is about getting this economy back on track, about creating jobs, about a brighter future for America. And that's what my campaign is about and I'm not going to raise taxes the way Senator Obama wants to raise taxes in a tough economy. And that's really what this campaign is going to be about.

Obama handled that great.

Ayers and Acorn...are NOT going to win this election for McCain...no matter how much people think they are or want them too.

[Sasquatch]

It was a good hit by McCain...But Obama hit him right back with the if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies...

If people think that's a game changer...they are going to be sorely disappointed.

If that's the best McCain's got...

He's done.

Political jujitsu at it's very best: turn your opponents attack against him. In this instance use McCain's clever remark to continue hammering away on the economy.

Advantage: Obama.

[bbgun]

I so agree, I wonder what all the Obama haters are going to do

Oh, I'll just mimic this guy:

This is surely small of me, but if Obama wins, I plan on giving him as much of a chance as the Democrats gave George Bush. I will gleefully forward every paranoid anti-Obama rumor that I see, along with YouTube footage of his verbal missteps. I will laugh and email heinous anti-Obama photoshop jobs, and maybe even learn photoshop myself to create some. I’ll buy anti-Obama books, and maybe even a “Not My President” t-shirt. I’m sure that the mainstream bookstores won’t carry them, but I’ll be on the lookout for anti-Obama calendars and stuff like that. I will not wish America harm, and if the country is hurt (economically, militarily, or diplomatically) I will truly mourn. But i will also take some solace that it occurred under Obama’s watch, and will find every reason to blame him personally and fan the flames.

Obama’s thuggish behavior thus far in this election cycle – squashing free speech, declaring any criticism of his policies to be “racist” (a word that happily carries little weight with sensible people these days), associating with the likes of Ayers, Wright, and ACORN - suggests that I won’t have to scrape for reasons to really viscerally dislike Obama and his administration. And even if he wins, his campaign’s “get out the vote fraud” activities are enough to provide people like me with a large degree of “plausible deniability” as to whether he is actually legitimately the president.

I’ve seen a President that I am generally-inclined to like get crapped on for eight years, and I’ve seen McCain and Palin (honorable people both, despite policy differences I may have with them) get crapped on through this election season. If the Democrats think that a President Obama is going to get some sort of honeymoon from the folks who didn’t vote for him, as a wise man once said: heh.

[EveryoneElse]

I'm pleased because he did well.

What do want me to do tell you he did well...but hey I'm displeased?

McCain had his moments...but no where near...not even close enough to being the game changer that he needed.

And that pleases me too.



McCain did a few good things tonight, for one he had Obama on his heels defending himself all night.

The best message he got across to the American people, imo was:

You cannot raise taxes on anybody with the economy the way it is. He pointed out that the last time it was tried it caused further crisis.

What Obama wants impose is a huge welfare system. Basically what he wants to do is take money from people who are doing what is their right as an American, and give it to people who simply are not capitalizing on it. That is welfare.

Obabma wants to kill the American dream.

I own my business and I don't know a small business, with the exception of the local donut shop or mom and pop gas station, that doesn't make over $250,000. My company brings in a whole lot more than $250,000, and I am far from rich, yet he wants to tax me more than 35-40% that I'm already being dinged for? That is just stupid. In an economy like we have at the moment, tax hikes are going to send unemployment numbers way up and further destroy the already battered economy.

[Sasquatch]

Obama handled that great.

Ayers and Acorn...are NOT going to win this election for McCain...no matter how much people think they are or want them too.

Once again Obama uses the occasion to his advantage by cleverly insinuating that McCain as out of touch with voters' #1 concern, the economy.

In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain's campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus.

[ConcordCowboy]

McCain did a few good things tonight, for one he had Obama on his heels defending himself all night.

The best message he got across to the American people, imo was:

You cannot raise taxes on anybody with the economy the way it is. He pointed out that the last time it was tried it caused further crisis.

What Obama wants impose is a huge welfare system. Basically what he wants to do is take money from people who are doing what is their right as an American, and give it to people who simply are not capitalizing on it. That is welfare.

Obabma wants to kill the American dream.

I own my business and I don't know a small business, with the exception of the local donut shop or mom and pop gas station, that doesn't make over $250,000. My company brings in a whole lot more than $250,000, and I am far from rich, yet he wants to tax me more than 35-40% that I'm already being dinged for? That is just stupid. In an economy like we have at the moment, tax hikes are going to send unemployment numbers way up and further destroy the already battered economy.

Now see I read something like that and I see Hyperbole.

[EveryoneElse]

Now see I read something like that and I see Hyperbole.


What is the American dream? Does it stop at $250,000?

[ConcordCowboy]

Political jujitsu at it's very best: turn your opponents attack against him. In this instance use McCain's clever remark to continue hammering away on the economy.

Advantage: Obama.

Yep, just like last week when McCain thought he had good one with the Thank you very much and then Bam...Bomb...Bomb...Iran.

And the he doesn't understand...and Obama goes he's right I don't understand how we could invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Obama's very good at that.

[avaj]

What is the American dream? Does it stop at $250,000?

Warren Buffet is the richest man in America, so I know he knows what the American dream is and he is voting for Obama. :)

[Sasquatch]

I honestly don't know what the rightwingers of this board were watching tonight. Obama effortlessly hammered away on the same themes, nonchalantly brushed aside McCain's attacks, and got in a few subtle jabs of his own.

Consider this response when asked about Sarah Palin.

SCHIEFFER: Do you think she's qualified to be president?

OBAMA: You know, I think it's -- that's going to be up to the American people. I think that, obviously, she's a capable politician who has, I think, excited the -- a base in the Republican Party.

And I think it's very commendable the work she's done on behalf of special needs. I agree with that, John.

I do want to just point out that autism, for example, or other special needs will require some additional funding, if we're going to get serious in terms of research. That is something that every family that advocates on behalf of disabled children talk about.

And if we have an across-the-board spending freeze, we're not going to be able to do it. That's an example of, I think, the kind of use of the scalpel that we want to make sure that we're funding some of those programs.

Highly effective.

[EveryoneElse]

Warren Buffet is the richest man in America, so I know he knows what the American dream is and he is voting for Obama. :)



Warren Buffet could lose $50billion while he's sleeping tonight and not know the difference when he wakes up, I doubt he cares how much I would be paying in tasex under the socialist.

[ConcordCowboy]

What is the American dream? Does it stop at $250,000?

When most people think about the American dream...the first thing is buying a home of their own.

You're telling me that Obama wants to kill that?

[Hypnotoad]

I just read an article which says joe the plumber isnt registered to vote.

lol

Two readers with access to the Ohio voter file say that Joe Wurzelbacher's inluence on this cycle will be limited in one way: He doesn't appear to be registered to vote.


(And yes, the freelance opposition research on Joe began before the debate ended.)


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_Joe_file.html#comments

[avaj]

Warren Buffet could lose $50billion while he's sleeping tonight and not know the difference when he wakes up, I doubt he cares how much I would be paying in tasex under the socialist.

How much would you be paying?

[EveryoneElse]

When most people think about the American dream...the first thing is buying a home of their own.

You're telling me that Obama wants to kill that?


I'm talking about the ability to prosper. Why should I pay the government my hard earned money so they can redistribute it to people that don't have the brains or drive to do it for themselves?

Are you self employed?

[ConcordCowboy]

I just read an article which says joe the plumber isnt registered to vote.

lol

:bang2: = McCain.

:D

[EveryoneElse]

How much would you be paying?

How is that your business? Not being a jerk, I just don't think that is relative to the conversation.

[avaj]

How is that your business? Not being a jerk, I just don't think that is relative to the conversation.

My point is you don't know right. Yes your taxes will go up, but do you know how much??

[bbgun]

And the he doesn't understand...and Obama goes he's right I don't understand how we could invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Obama's very good at that.

Right. I mean, why fight terrorists abroad when you can forge close, intimate ties with them right here at home?

[EveryoneElse]

My point is you don't know right. Yes your taxes will go up, but do you know how much??


Why in the hell should I pay more? I am making the money. I already pay 10 guys that make no less than 35k a year. I'm keeping those guys working every day. I'm doing my part. He wants more? On top of all that I'm paying half their medical insurance. He wants more?

Why?

[ConcordCowboy]

I'm talking about the ability to prosper. Why should I pay the government my hard earned money so they can redistribute it to people that don't have the brains or drive to do it for themselves?

Are you self employed?



No.

So I don't feel the same way you do.

There are going to be people that prosper under Obama and some that don't.

Just like under Bush or any President.

[EveryoneElse]

Right. I mean, why fight terrorists abroad when you can forge close, intimate ties with them right here at home?

bbgun, McCain can win on the issues. If the American people don't mind Obama being close with THe Osama Bin Laden of the USA, then screw em....but Mccain can win on the issues at hand. It started tonight. Watch the polls tighten over the next few days.

[ConcordCowboy]

Right. I mean, why fight terrorists abroad when you can forge close, intimate ties with them right here at home?

Yeah that's it.

How's that plan of attack working for you and McCain so far?

:laugh2:

[avaj]

Why in the hell should I pay more? I am making the money. I already pay 10 guys that make no less than 35k a year. I'm keeping those guys working every day. I'm doing my part. He wants more? On top of all that I'm paying half their medical insurance. He wants more?

Why?

So if the "more" was to benefit your employers, you would be against that? You will see the money back if your business grows :rolleyes:

[EveryoneElse]

No.

So I don't feel the same way you do.

There are going to be people that prosper under Obama and some that don't.

Just like under Bush or any President.

I would not wish it on you or anybody, but people are going to lose jobs at a steady pace if Obama is elected. You cannot raise taxes at a time like this. I'm sure none of us have gotten a paycheck from a poor person. Obama wants to penalize the rich and give it to the poor. He thinks he's Robin Hood.

[ConcordCowboy]

bbgun, McCain can win on the issues. If the American people don't mind Obama being close with THe Osama Bin Laden of the USA, then screw em....but Mccain can win on the issues at hand. It started tonight. Watch the polls tighten over the next few days.

Then why did his campaign say this election wasn't going to be about the issues and also said that if this election stays about the economy they lose?

This was HIS campaign saying this...not me.

:laugh2:

[Doomsday]

So if the "more" was to benefit your employers, you would be against that? You will see the money back if your business grows :rolleyes:

And when it doesnt and his profits are down they will all be unemployed and living off the government.

Im glad I decided to outsource all the coding for my company to China, I wont be impacted quite as much when Mr Radical gets elected.

[EveryoneElse]

So if the "more" was to benefit your employers, you would be against that? You will see the money back if your business grows :rolleyes:


You are missing my point. If I'm paying my guys a really nice wage, why should I have to give them more through Obamas welfare plan? 35k is a good income for a roofer, wouldn't you say? I don't see the benefit in giving them more if I'm already taking care of them. Maybe I should just fire half my guys. Thats what this economy needs right now, right?

[numnuts23]

It's funny reading some of the responses on here. Basically, some of you are saying, Obama is a better speaker - debater so he would be the better president?

Your willing to vote someone in with little too no experience. Sure he sounds great and is pretty dang slick, but because of that your wanting to vote him in as the President of the United States?

The man lies, lies, lies and you follow, follow, follow. Just like a bunch of sheep.

McCain has his faults, and I don't agree with everything he says but I feel much more comfortable with him in office that a inexperienced socialist.

How can so many people be blind to this "act".

[DaBoys4Life]

You are missing my point. If I'm paying my guys a really nice wage, why should I have to give them more through Obamas welfare plan? 35k is a good income for a roofer, wouldn't you say? I don't see the benefit in giving them more if I'm already taking care of them. Maybe I should just fire half my guys. Thats what this economy needs right now, right?

Even though I know nothing about roofing can I work for you @ 35K ?

[avaj]

Im glad I decided to outsource all the coding for my company to China.

That is American way :rolleyes:

[ChldsPlay]

I honestly don't know what the rightwingers of this board were watching tonight. Obama effortlessly hammered away on the same themes, nonchalantly brushed aside McCain's attacks, and got in a few subtle jabs of his own.

Consider this response when asked about Sarah Palin.

SCHIEFFER: Do you think she's qualified to be president?

OBAMA: You know, I think it's -- that's going to be up to the American people. I think that, obviously, she's a capable politician who has, I think, excited the -- a base in the Republican Party.

And I think it's very commendable the work she's done on behalf of special needs. I agree with that, John.

I do want to just point out that autism, for example, or other special needs will require some additional funding, if we're going to get serious in terms of research. That is something that every family that advocates on behalf of disabled children talk about.

And if we have an across-the-board spending freeze, we're not going to be able to do it. That's an example of, I think, the kind of use of the scalpel that we want to make sure that we're funding some of those programs.

Highly effective.


So....his opinion on Palin being qualified is?? Oh yeah he didn't answer the question, just spins more BS. He's just afriad to admit the fact that she's more qualified than he is.

[FloridaRob]

got this email this evening.

"Now isn't this something to think about!
If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.



If he is elected President, he would not qualify to be his own body guard!

In addition, Obama would not be able to obtain a U.S. Armed Forces security clearance because of associations with known terrrorists. So if he becomes President he will have access to military, NSA and CIA classified material

[EveryoneElse]

Then why did his campaign say this election wasn't going to be about the issues and also said that if this election stays about the economy they lose?

This HIS campaign saying this...not me.

:laugh2:


You watch and see, the polls are going to tighten over the next few days. As it stands right now, this race is more like a 3-5 point race, unless you believe all these polls that over poll democrats by 10 percent over republicans. These outlandish 11 and 14 point poll leads are crazy stupid.

[EveryoneElse]

That is American way :rolleyes:

Tax on business's here are ridiculous. The government as a whole is a rip off, growing of it would be devastating to the economy right now.

Obama wants big government to grow. There is something wrong there.

[avaj]

You are missing my point. If I'm paying my guys a really nice wage, why should I have to give them more through Obamas welfare plan? 35k is a good income for a roofer, wouldn't you say? I don't see the benefit in giving them more if I'm already taking care of them. Maybe I should just fire half my guys. Thats what this economy needs right now, right?

If your employees are happy, then your business will prosper and be successful, which means more money for you. :)

[ConcordCowboy]

I would not wish it on you or anybody, but people are going to lose jobs at a steady pace if Obama is elected. You cannot raise taxes at a time like this. I'm sure none of us have gotten a paycheck from a poor person. Obama wants to penalize the rich and give it to the poor. He thinks he's Robin Hood.

Obama isn't going to raise my taxes.

[DaBoys4Life]

I'm about to watch the debate..... I'll chime on and stuff here and there as it goes along.....Zone to take over America!!!!!

[Doomsday]

That is American way :rolleyes:

It is becoming the American way, because small businesses get the short end of the stick. Im in business to make money, not support people who dont want to work or pay for John Doe's health care needs. The whole mentality of this country is messed up, everyone thinks they are owed something and no one is willing to put in the hard work to be successful.

[ConcordCowboy]

You watch and see, the polls are going to tighten over the next few days. As it stands right now, this race is more like a 3-5 point race, unless you believe all these polls that over poll democrats by 10 percent over republicans. These outlandish 11 and 14 point poll leads are crazy stupid.


http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/barack-obama-audacity-of-hope.jpg

:D

[EveryoneElse]

If your employers are happy, then your business will prosper and be successful, which means more money for you. :)

If my employers are happy?

Please explain that.

Or do you mean my employees?

If so, if they aren't happy, they can walk whenever they feel like it. Everyone is replaceable. Just when you think you are irreplaceable.....you are about to be replaced.

[EveryoneElse]

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/barack-obama-audacity-of-hope.jpg

:D


Isn't there a quote in that book from Obama's loved pastor?

"White folks greed, runs a world in need"?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never picked that book up, nor would I, unless ofcourse I ran out of TP.

[Doomsday]

If my employers are happy?

Please explain that.

Or do you mean my employees?

If so, if they aren't happy, they can walk whenever they feel like it. Everyone is replaceable. Just when you think you are irreplaceable.....you are about to be replaced.

Exactly as long as you arent paying slave wages or doing anything that break labor laws the Government should mind its own gosh dang business.

[EveryoneElse]

It is becoming the American way, because small businesses get the short end of the stick. Im in business to make money, not support people who dont want to work or pay for John Doe's health care needs. The whole mentality of this country is messed up, everyone thinks they are owed something and no one is willing to put in the hard work to be successful.


Get down, Doom.

Tell me about it. This whole Country is going to hell, the lazy and un-motivated are bringing the people like us down.

It is out there. The money is out there, don't sit around and wait for it to come to you, go and get it.

Somebody told me that once. I'm trying, but I have to make sure and take care of everyone else on my way up though, I guess.

[VietCowboy]

It is becoming the American way, because small businesses get the short end of the stick. Im in business to make money, not support people who dont want to work or pay for John Doe's health care needs. The whole mentality of this country is messed up, everyone thinks they are owed something and no one is willing to put in the hard work to be successful.

while some, a good handful, are undoubtedly that way, America is the land of opportunity for a reason. If it wasn't for your tax money, or others, when my family first came to the US, and until this day, getting some government funding for my research grants, I would be doing nails instead of having a Bachelors and working on my higher ed degree.

[ConcordCowboy]

got this email this evening.

"Now isn't this something to think about!
If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.



If he is elected President, he would not qualify to be his own body guard!

In addition, Obama would not be able to obtain a U.S. Armed Forces security clearance because of associations with known terrrorists. So if he becomes President he will have access to military, NSA and CIA classified material




So you're telling me that EVERYONE that has EVER known or worked with Ayers...would be disqualified?

Because there are MANY.

This sounds like one of Many BS e-mails.

[avaj]

If my employers are happy?

Please explain that.

Or do you mean my employees?

If so, if they aren't happy, they can walk whenever they feel like it. Everyone is replaceable. Just when you think you are irreplaceable.....you are about to be replaced.

Employees

If the middle class will be able to afford your services, that means more business for you right?? I don't know why you wouldn't want that. I thought the more the merrier. :rolleyes:

[ConcordCowboy]

It is becoming the American way, because small businesses get the short end of the stick. Im in business to make money, not support people who dont want to work or pay for John Doe's health care needs. The whole mentality of this country is messed up, everyone thinks they are owed something and no one is willing to put in the hard work to be successful.

So why didn't Bush and the Republican controlled Congress that he had for six years fix this?

[EveryoneElse]

Exactly as long as you are paying slave wages or doing anything that break labor laws the Government should mind its own gosh dang business.


Yessir.

I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

I could reduce my crew down to 3 workers....but guess what, my projected business income still puts me in Obama's "Rich category".

That is sad.

If people only knew how much it costs to run a business and how much you really make after you're finished paying everybody who has their hand out.

[ConcordCowboy]

Isn't there a quote in that book from Obama's loved pastor?

"White folks greed, runs a world in need"?

Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never picked that book up, nor would I, unless ofcourse I ran out of TP.

I don't know...I've never read it.

I just used it for the Hope part.

As in you Hope McCain closes the gap.

[DaBoys4Life]

So why didn't Bush and the Republican controlled Congress that he had for six years fix this?

MARS!!!!!!!!

[numnuts23]

So you're telling me that EVERYONE that has EVER known or worked with Ayers...would be disqualified?

Because there are MANY.

This sounds like one of Many BS e-mails.

Why would that surprise you? If you were hiring for the FBI or any other Government agency, would you hire someone with ties to Ayers?

Pretty simple answer if you ask me.

[EveryoneElse]

Employees

If the middle class will be able to afford your services, that means more business for you right?? I don't know why you wouldn't want that. I thought the more the merrier. :rolleyes:


The more I grow, the more I pay. Get it? Under Obama's plan, you don't want to make more than $249,999.

Do you understand that people are losing jobs right now because of the economy? What do you think will happen when companies have to pay substantially more in taxes? You think they'll hire more people?

[EveryoneElse]

I don't know...I've never read it.

I just used it for the Hope part.

As in you Hope McCain closes the gap.


I'm not worried in the least.

[avaj]

The more I grow, the more I pay. Get it? Under Obama's plan, you don't want to make more than $249,999.

Do you understand that people are losing jobs right now because of the economy? What do you think will happen when companies have to pay substantially more in taxes? You think they'll hire more people?

Whoa is me.....You want the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer :(

[DaBoys4Life]

Ugh Obama makes me mad watching him

[ConcordCowboy]

Why would that surprise you? If you were hiring for the FBI or any other Government agency, would you hire someone with ties to Ayers?

Pretty simple answer if you ask me.

There's a difference in working on an education board with him and plotting terrorist attacks.

That's why.

There were Republican's on that board too...and I bet they would be surprised to know that they would be disqualified just because they worked with him.

[ConcordCowboy]

I'm not worried in the least.

Yeah...you are.

:laugh2:

[Doomsday]

Whoa is me.....You want the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer :(

So because someone has a successful business or is good at what they do and make a lot of money they are obligated to give that money to the government so they can redistribute it?

Sorry that mentality has been killing this country for a long time now, anyone who is complaining about not being able to make money in this country is stupid there are jobs and opportunities every where you just have to be willing to put in some effort.

Im all for helping people get an education and out of a tough spot but socialism breeds laziness, that has been proven over and over.

[avaj]

There were Republican's on that board too...and I bet they would be surprised to know that they would be disqualified just because they worked with him.

They never answer to that :rolleyes:

[CowboyPrincess]

There's a difference in working on an education board with him and plotting terrorist attacks.

That's why.

There were Republican's on that board too...and I bet they would be surprised to know that they would be disqualified just because they worked with him.

An education board that is to help shape and mold the minds of our future... that scares me

I don't think they would be surprised but I do think they are stupid. It's not like Ayers wasn't a well known domestic terrorist back then. Whether he turned his life around or not, his past was that of a bomber and if they served with him knowing that, shame on them

[avaj]

So because someone has a successful business or is good at what they do and make a lot of money they are obligated to give that money to the government so they can redistribute it?

Sorry that mentality has been killing this country for a long time now, anyone who is complaining about not being able to make money in this country is stupid there are jobs and opportunities every where you just have to be willing to put in some effort.

Im all for helping people get an education and out of a tough spot but socialism breeds laziness, that has been proven over and over.

My husband works for concrete company, he is concrete truck driver, works 60-80 hrs a week. I wouldn't call that lazy. :mad:

[DaBoys4Life]

So because someone has a successful business or is good at what they do and make a lot of money they are obligated to give that money to the government so they can redistribute it?

Sorry that mentality has been killing this country for a long time now, anyone who is complaining about not being able to make money in this country is stupid there are jobs and opportunities every where you just have to be willing to put in some effort.

Im all for helping people get an education and out of a tough spot but socialism breeds laziness, that has been proven over and over.

can you point me in the direction of a job cause I haven't been able to find one......

[Doomsday]

My husband works for concrete company, he is concrete truck driver, works 60-80 hrs a week. I wouldn't call that lazy. :mad:

I doubt you are poor and I said "socialism" breeds laziness.

[EveryoneElse]

Whoa is me.....You want the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer :(



No, I'd rather see a person work their way out of the mess they are in, then see my hard earned money bail them out.

That is welfare, imo. The welfare mentality that you have displayed in your post is what is wrong with this country. People sit back and expect someone else to lend them a hand. Get a job and work your way out of the hole yourself. Don't depend on me, because I worked my arse off to get where I am. I didn't sit around and cry, "Whoa is me", I made it happen for myself. Sue me if I don't see it as the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

[VietCowboy]

So because someone has a successful business or is good at what they do and make a lot of money they are obligated to give that money to the government so they can redistribute it?

Sorry that mentality has been killing this country for a long time now, anyone who is complaining about not being able to make money in this country is stupid there are jobs and opportunities every where you just have to be willing to put in some effort.

Im all for helping people get an education and out of a tough spot but socialism breeds laziness, that has been proven over and over.

I recommend reading Nickel and Dimed: On how (Not) to get by in America. Sometimes, even holding 2 jobs isn't enough for a single women with a start-up fund, what makes you think that is enough for a single woman with two kids and (if lucky) a high school diploma?

IF we had a minimum living wage, I would be okay with what you are proposing, but unfortunately, our minimum wage is often not cutting it for many many people.

[numnuts23]

There's a difference in working on an education board with him and plotting terrorist attacks.

That's why.

There were Republican's on that board too...and I bet they would be surprised to know that they would be disqualified just because they worked with him.

Yeah, I guess it was just working on education board, I mean that's what Obama said, so it has to be true.

I guess having a function at Ayers home was just going over education board items? I guess it had nothing to do with a election event? I mean, Obama says it didn't.

[Doomsday]

can you point me in the direction of a job cause I haven't been able to find one......

Maybe what kind of skills you got. :)