If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant”

[StevenOtero]

If Elected Obama Will Declare CO2 a “Dangerous Pollutant”

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
October 16, 2008

In an interview with Bloomberg’s Jim Efstathiou Jr., Barack Obama’s energy adviser, Jason Grumet, said if elected Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant. Obama will tell the Environmental Protection Agency that it may use the 1990 Clean Air Act to set emissions limits, according to Grumet, and he will likely do this immediately upon taking office, David Bookbinder, chief climate counsel for the Sierra Club told Bloomberg.

“The U.S. has to move quickly domestically so we can get back in the game internationally,” Grumet said. In other words, an Obama administration would impose draconian carbon emission regulations on the American people and “help clear the deadlock in talks on an international agreement to slow global warming,” according to Rajendra Pachauri, head of a United Nation panel of climate-change scientists. Negotiators from almost 200 countries will meet in December in Poznan, Poland, to discuss ways to limit CO2, that is to say they will work on a global carbon taxation structure.

A global carbon tax is not so much about limiting CO2 as it is a scheme designed to pay for world government and corporate globalization. “The Climate Change Control Bill strongly supported by Obama calls for an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide and ‘carbon footprints’ from discovery, to production, to consumption at a cost of $50 trillion globally and at a cost of $8 trillion for US taxpayers, all to be paid for by a global tax, whose monies will be used to establish a world government body,” writes Patrick Briley.

Obama has worked closely on this global taxation and world government scam under the cover of environmentalism with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Al Gore, and former communist leader Mikhail Gorbachev, an advocate of the so-called Earth Charter and the author of Manifesto for Earth. Brzezinski co-founded the Trilateral Commission with David Rockefeller in 1973. Rockefeller and fellow globalist Maurice Strong of Canada were instrumental in the creation of the Earth Charter. As noted above, the Sierra Club will play a decisive role in Obama’s administration. The organization takes money from the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and is closely aligned with the United Nations Environmental Program. Strong was UNEP’s first executive director.

It is a well documented fact the environmental movement receives huge disbursements from chartered institutions such as the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Turner Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, the David and Lucille Packard Foundation, the Alfred W. Mellon Foundation, and others, including Bill and Melinda Gates, the Heinz family and the Carnegie Corporation. It is no mistake foundation funded environmental groups are now calling for a global carbon tax structure and an international governing regime to monitor and regulate carbon dioxide, as this serves the plan of their masters well.

An Obama administration will kick this scheme into warp drive and hasten the implementation of a world government of the sort members of the global elite have worked toward for many years. A phony environmental crisis, with carbon emissions playing the role as chief villain, is a perfect storm for the global elite. “We are on the verge of a global transformation,” David Rockefeller once quipped. “All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”

[Heisenberg]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081016/pl_bloomberg/alhwvvgnkcd4

Another story that explains a little better and without the tinfoil hat nutjobness. It's interesting.

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant that can be regulated should he win the presidential election on Nov. 4, opening the way for new rules on greenhouse gas emissions.

The Democratic senator from Illinois will tell the Environmental Protection Agency that it may use the 1990 Clean Air Act to set emissions limits on power plants and manufacturers, his energy adviser, Jason Grumet, said in an interview. President George W. Bush declined to curb CO2 emissions under the law even after the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the government may do so.

If elected, Obama would be the first president to group emissions blamed for global warming into a category of pollutants that includes lead and carbon monoxide. Obama's rival in the presidential race, Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, has not said how he would treat CO2 under the act.

Obama ``would initiate those rulemakings,'' Grumet said in an Oct. 6 interview in Boston. ``He's not going to insert political judgments to interrupt the recommendations of the scientific efforts.''

Placing heat-trapping pollutants in the same category as ozone may lead to caps on power-plant emissions and force utilities to use the most expensive systems to curb pollution. The move may halt construction plans on as many as half of the 130 proposed new U.S. coal plants.

The president may take action on new rules immediately upon taking office, said David Bookbinder, chief climate counsel for the Sierra Club. Environment groups including the Sierra Club and Natural Resources Defense Council will issue a regulatory agenda for the next president that calls for limits on CO2 from industry.

`Hit Ground Running'

``This is what they should do to hit the ground running,'' Bookbinder said in an Oct. 10 telephone interview.

Separately, Congress is debating legislation to create an emissions market to address global warming, a solution endorsed by both candidates and utilities such as American Electric Power Co., the biggest U.S. producer of electricity from coal. Congress failed to pass a global-warming bill in June and how long it may take lawmakers to agree on a plan isn't known.

``We need federal legislation to deal with greenhouse-gas emissions,'' said Vicki Arroyo, general counsel for the Pew Center on Global Climate Change in Arlington, Virginia. ``In the meantime, there is this vacuum. People are eager to get started on this.''

An Obama victory would help clear the deadlock in talks on an international agreement to slow global warming, Rajendra Pachauri, head of a United Nation panel of climate-change scientists, said today in Berlin. Negotiators from almost 200 countries will meet in December in Poznan, Poland, to discuss ways to limit CO2.

`Back in the Game'

``The U.S. has to move quickly domestically so we can get back in the game internationally,'' Grumet said. ``We cannot have a meaningful impact in the international discussion until we develop a meaningful domestic consensus. So he'll move quickly.''

Burning coal to generate electricity produces more than a third of energy-related carbon dioxide emissions and half the U.S. power supply, according to the Energy Department. Every hour, fossil-fuel combustion generates 3.5 million tons of emissions worldwide, helping create a warming effect that ``already threatens our climate,'' the Paris-based International Energy Agency said.

The EPA under Bush fought the notion that the Clean Air Act applies to CO2 all the way to the Supreme Court. The law has been used successfully to regulate six pollutants, including sulfur dioxide and ozone. Regulation under the act ``could result in an unprecedented expansion of EPA authority,'' EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson said in July. The law ``is the wrong tool for the job.''

Proponents of regulation are hoping for better results under a new president. Obama adviser Grumet, executive director of the National Commission on Energy Policy, said if Congress hasn't acted in 18 months, about the time it would take to draft rules, the president should.

EPA Authority

``The EPA is obligated to move forward in the absence of Congressional action,'' Grumet said. ``If there's no action by Congress in those 18 months, I think any responsible president would want to have the regulatory approach.''

States where coal-fired plants may be affected include Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Texas, Montana, Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Georgia and Florida.

The alternative, a national cap-and-trade program created by Congress, offers industry more options, said Bruce Braine, a vice president at Columbus, Ohio-based American Electric. The world's largest cap-and-trade plan for greenhouse gases opened in Europe in 2005.

Under a cap-and-trade program, polluters may keep less- efficient plants running if they offset those emissions with investments in projects that lower pollution, such as wind-energy turbines or systems that destroy methane gas from landfills.

McCain `Not a Fan'

``Those options may still allow me to build new efficient power plants that might not meet a higher standard,'' Braine said in an Oct. 9 interview. ``That might be a more cost-effective way to approach it.''

McCain hasn't said how he would approach CO2 regulation under the Clean Air Act. McCain adviser and former Central Intelligence Agency director James Woolsey said Oct. 6 that new rules may conflict with Congressional efforts. Policy adviser Rebecca Jensen Tallent said in August that McCain prefers a bill debated by Congress rather than regulations ``established through one agency where one secretary is getting to make a lot of decisions.''

``He is not as big of a fan of standards-based approaches,'' Arroyo said. ``The Supreme Court thinks it's clear that there is greenhouse-gas authority under the Clean Air Act. To take that off the table probably wouldn't be very wise.''

More Efficient Technologies

How new regulations would affect the proposed U.S. coal plants depends on how they are written, said Bill Fang, climate issue director for the Edison Electric Institute, a Washington-based lobbying group for utilities. About half of the proposed plants plan to use technologies that are 20 percent more efficient than conventional coal burners.

``Several states have denied the applicability of the Clean Air Act to coal permits,'' Fang said in an Oct. 10 interview.

In June, a court in Georgia stopped construction of the 1,200- megawatt Longleaf power plant, a $2 billion project, because developer Dynegy Inc. failed to consider cleaner technology.

An appeals board within the EPA is considering a challenge from the Sierra Club to Deseret Power Electric Cooperative's air permit for its 110-megawatt Bonanza coal plant in Utah on grounds that it failed to require controls on CO2. One megawatt is enough to power about 800 typical U.S. homes.

``Industry has woken up to the fact that a new progressive administration could move quickly to make the United States a leader rather than a laggard,'' said Bruce Nilles, director of the group's national coal campaign.

[StevenOtero]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081016/pl_bloomberg/alhwvvgnkcd4

Another story that explains a little better and without the tinfoil hat nutjobness. It's interesting.That does it I give up with you people. Either I'm insulted, or some little comment is made. Go back to your false left/right paradigm and get all worked up over two non-choices.

Tin hat this tin hat that. Wow, grow the hell up and debate the issues and stop your ad hominem attacks.

[Heisenberg]

That does it I give up with you people. Either I'm insulted, or some little comment is made. Go back to your false left/right paradigm and get all worked up over two non-choices.

Tin hat this tin hat that. Wow, grow the hell up and debate the issues and stop your ad hominem attacks.

Seriously, you can't tell the difference between a story which presents it as a "scam", a "New World Order", or a "plan of their masters" and one that just presents what was said without a slant?

Why do you think I post a link at the top of all my news postings? I at least TRY to provide information from reputable sources.

[StevenOtero]

Seriously, you can't tell the difference between a story which presents it as a "scam", a "New World Order", or a "plan of their masters" and one that just presents what was said without a slant?Seriously, you haven't heard of the New World Order? Have you ever done one bit of research on it? Or are you so damned conditioned that you just say "Oh please! That is such a conspiracy theory, tin foil hat, nutjobness, blah blah blah."

[Heisenberg]

Seriously, you haven't heard of the New World Order? Have you ever done one bit of research on it? Or are you so damned conditioned that you just say "Oh please! That is such a conspiracy theory, tin foil hat, nutjobness, blah blah blah."

Actually, I have. It's a conspiracy theory.

Next you'll be telling me that the world will end December 21st, 2012. Or is it the 12th? I can never remember.

[burmafrd]

CO2 happens to be something that we breathe out. Calling something that we breathe out a dangerous pollutant- does that not worry you just a little?

[Heisenberg]

CO2 happens to be something that we breathe out. Calling something that we breathe out a dangerous pollutant- does that not worry you just a little?

I understand that you're not a global warming is man-made guy, but for those who DO think it's man-made, scientists say CO2 is a major cause of it. Grouping the pollutants that cause it together and placing limits on the amount that companies can dump into the air is a good thing.

[ZB9]

I understand that you're not a global warming is man-made guy, but for those who DO think it's man-made, scientists say CO2 is a major cause of it. Grouping the pollutants that cause it together and placing limits on the amount that companies can dump into the air is a good thing.

lol ok. What's next? A restriction on cattle? They give out CO2

[ZeroClub]

lol ok. What's next? A restriction on cattle? They give out CO2

No one spews more noxious fumes than Rush Limbaugh. I say we start with him.

Then move on to Fox News.

If that doesn't work, then we think about the cows. But not before.

[ZB9]

If that doesn't work, then we think about the cows. But not before.

I guess a lot of liberals are vegetarians anyway

[CowboyFan74]

Just another socialist ploy to extort money from working class America, shameless....

[NinePointOh]

Just another socialist ploy to extort money from working class America, shameless....

Uh ... if you know what socialism is, you know why that's an obvious contradiction.

[canters]

I guess Barry will try to regulate how much breaking of wind we humans can do.

[Rack Bauer]

CO2 happens to be something that we breathe out. Calling something that we breathe out a dangerous pollutant- does that not worry you just a little?

NObama is going to send anyone who exhales to Guantanamo Bay.

[ZeroClub]

Just another socialist ploy to extort money from working class America, shameless....

Talk about shameless ... What about the gas price spikes, record oil company profits, war profiteering, massive bank bail-outs, and record deficits that have happened under the "small government" of today's Republican party?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Actually, I have. It's a conspiracy theory.

Next you'll be telling me that the world will end December 21st, 2012. Or is it the 12th? I can never remember.

It's not a conspiracy...

It's Real (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlcvJjRvT7c)

[Yeagermeister]

And here's where it started

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG9oyVy0Jh0

[iceberg]

obama is a major control freak. if you want the gov in your back pocket all the time, he's your man.

i sat back and listened for a long time on obama before making up my mind about him. he's got some good points and some great ideas and handles himself very professionally.

but he wants the government to fix everything when the governent with their hands in everything is what screws stuff up.

i do think he's got a great chance of winning but if he *is* this major control freak, he won't last a 2nd term. my question is - how different are the policies and politics of hillary?

[Jarv]

Talk about shameless ... What about the gas price spikes, record oil company profits, war profiteering, massive bank bail-outs, and record deficits that have happened under the "small government" of today's Republican party?

I saw gas at $2.75/gallon yesterday. You want big government, go live somewhere else pal.

[iceberg]

Talk about shameless ... What about the gas price spikes, record oil company profits, war profiteering, massive bank bail-outs, and record deficits that have happened under the "small government" of today's Republican party?

no one said this gov was traditional conservative, did they? you can yell at the gov (have fun) but at least do it w/open eyes and not just yelling/whining style.

gas prices. talk to china. their massive industrial revolution made demand skyrocket. what about dems wanting us off oil even if it hurts? no "counter repsonsibility" on drilling and refineries ban or is this all bush/repubs? how is this "republican fault" only? it's not unless you just wanna shout the latest catch phrases and have the mindless go YEA!

record oil company profits. do you pity them when they're NOT making money? again a nice trendy yelling at a point point but no effort to understand the pain. just yell.

bank bail outs. who demanded we give low to no income families mortgates they can't afford? which party tried to stop it, twice?

it's very fun and trendy for people to shout out cliches of todays problem but more often than not people end their thinking there. blame someone and get all upset about it and that'll fix everything.

would people work as hard to understand life as they do to lay the blame.

[ZeroClub]

I hold the Republicans accountable and responsible for what has happened during their watch.

Others around here are acting like overpermissive parents ... constantly cutting slack to the republican party and blaming the series of mistakes and failures on the children of others.

Time for some tough love, ya'll. They've made a mess of things. Kick 'em out. Maybe they'll learn from it and have something to offer in 4 to 8 years.

[Kangaroo]

I hold the Republicans accountable and responsible for what has happened during their watch.

Others around here are acting like overpermissive parents ... constantly cutting slack to the republican party and blaming the series of mistakes and failures on the children of others.

Time for some tough love, ya'll. They've made a mess of things. Kick 'em out. Maybe they'll learn from it and have something to offer in 4 to 8 years.

You realize Congress was under democratic watch so in reality both parties are at fault plain and simple but then again we can not let facts get in the way.

[NinePointOh]

You realize Congress was under democratic watch

You believe the problems only started in 2007 then?

[iceberg]

I hold the Republicans accountable and responsible for what has happened during their watch.

then to me all you want is a quick easy answer and an even quicker place to lay the blame so you can go YEA! in anger and feel better.

i hold people to use their own minds to better themselves and get out of generic thinking.

the system is checks and balances and the dems have had their share of control to in order to stop what bush and repubs wanted to do about the economy for example.

this is a shared responsibility regardless of how cute/clever you feel in simple blame.

[iceberg]

You believe the problems only started in 2007 then?

can i simply say i blame them for what happens under their watch or is it now time to think about it cause you have an escape route?

you can't have it black and white when it suits you and run to shades of gray when it doesn't.

[zrinkill]

That does it I give up with you people. Either I'm insulted, or some little comment is made.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/612capture_tombstone03.jpg

Well crazy truther nut-job ...... Bye ...

[zrinkill]

Seriously, you haven't heard of the New World Order?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/nwo1en.jpg


4 Life!

[JBond]

Obama is an idiot. He just needs to shut his pie hole to cut down CO2 emissions.

[ZeroClub]

You realize Congress was under democratic watch so in reality both parties are at fault plain and simple but then again we can not let facts get in the way.

For 8 of the last 8 years, republicans have had the white house.

For the most part, the republicans controlled congress between 1995 and 2007.

And yet we are not supposed to hold them accountable?

[iceberg]

For 8 of the last 8 years, republicans have had the white house.

For the most part, the republicans controlled congress between 1995 and 2007.

And yet we are not supposed to hold them accountable?

i don't divide to my way of thinking.

i hold them all accountable. it's why we have a checks and balances system. if it's not working it's not 1 side to blame. it's both sides and then is "us" allowing them to fracture thinking like they have.

[JBond]

I understand that you're not a global warming is man-made guy, but for those who DO think it's man-made, scientists say CO2 is a major cause of it. Grouping the pollutants that cause it together and placing limits on the amount that companies can dump into the air is a good thing.

Why do you feel the need to lie? CO2 is not a pollutant. The Obama fear machine is in high gear. Carbon monoxide is, but not carbon dioxide. Beside most scientist say we are heading into a global cooling cycle.

Here is how it works. Humans breath out CO2. Plants use CO2 to live and in return produce Oxygen. That is how it works. In fact areas deprived of CO2 have nothing growing there and the oxygen levels are very low. This is 1st grade science. How many times have you been left back?

Silly little politicians playing God does not do it for me. Obama puts himself above God. He and Pelosi are trying to save the planet. They are so full of crap and any rational person can see it.

This is just another way to steal money to increase their power base. That is all the Democratic party stands for. There sole agenda is to get as much power as possible and the gullible uneducated masses buy into it every time.

How is the war on poverty going?

[ZeroClub]

i don't divide to my way of thinking.

i hold them all accountable. it's why we have a checks and balances system. if it's not working it's not 1 side to blame. it's both sides and then is "us" allowing them to fracture thinking like they have.

Last thing I heard, you aren't voting....

.... which would mean that you aren't holding anyone accountable.

[JBond]

No one spews more noxious fumes than Rush Limbaugh. I say we start with him.

Then move on to Fox News.

If that doesn't work, then we think about the cows. But not before.

What a surprise. Another weak minded hater who wants to suppress free speech. Big shock.

[JBond]

I guess a lot of liberals are vegetarians anyway


Without CO2 the vegetarians are dead anyway.

[JBond]

Talk about shameless ... What about the gas price spikes, record oil company profits, war profiteering, massive bank bail-outs, and record deficits that have happened under the "small government" of today's Republican party?

You tell me why the Democrat party did all of those destructive things. Its your party. Barbra Boxer is a multi millionaire thanks to the war contracts she sent her husband. The democrats are so stupid that in August of this year they testified our banking system is just fine, even though McCain was screaming about it in 2005. Record revenue was raised for the treasury do to The Bush tax cuts, only to be offset by liberals and a Democratic congress drunk on spending.

You are one confused pup.

[ZeroClub]

You tell me why the Democrat party did all of those destructive things. Its your party. Barbra Boxer is a multi millionaire thanks to the war contracts she sent her husband. The democrats are so stupid that in August of this year they testified our banking system is just fine, even though McCain was screaming about it in 2005. Record revenue was raised for the treasury do to The Bush tax cuts, only to be offset by liberals and a Democratic congress drunk on spending.

You are one confused pup.

See post #30

[Angus]

Why do you feel the need to lie? CO2 is not a pollutant. The Obama fear machine is in high gear. Carbon monoxide is, but not carbon dioxide. Beside most scientist say we are heading into a global cooling cycle.

Here is how it works. Humans breath out CO2. Plants use CO2 to live and in return produce Oxygen. That is how it works. In fact areas deprived of CO2 have nothing growing there and the oxygen levels are very low. This is 1st grade science. How many times have you been left back?

Silly little politicians playing God does not do it for me. Obama puts himself above God. He and Pelosi are trying to save the planet. They are so full of crap and any rational person can see it.

This is just another way to steal money to increase their power base. That is all the Democratic party stands for. There sole agenda is to get as much power as possible and the gullible uneducated masses buy into it every time.

How is the war on poverty going?

Well, you could look at it this way: Cut out CO2 emissions and all the plants die and then all the animals that eat plants die and then all the people that eat animals or plants die.

After that, the microbes take over. That eliminates capitalism and religion and freedom of thought, so Barack Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid should be happy just knowing that's going to happen.

See. It's all logical as far as they are concerned.

:)

[VietCowboy]

Well, you could look at it this way: Cut out CO2 emissions and all the plants die and then all the animals that eat plants die and then all the people that eat animals or plants die.

After that, the microbes take over. That eliminates capitalism and religion and freedom of thought, so Barack Hussein Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid should be happy just knowing that's going to happen.

See. It's all logical as far as they are concerned.

:)

yes, because limiting = extinction.

and cows produce methane, which turns in CO2. No doubt cows also produce CO2, but the more worrisome gas coming from them is methane.

[Sasquatch]

No one spews more noxious fumes than Rush Limbaugh. I say we start with him.

Then move on to Fox News.

If that doesn't work, then we think about the cows. But not before.

Ah, the bloviators first, bovines second approach to global warming.

I strongly approve.

Imagine, the US taking the lead in the fight against GW. What a novel concept.

[JBond]

See post #30


ZeroClub = Zero credibility

I understand you are scared when your whole belief system is shown to be fraudulent. I understand that may be upsetting. But give it the old college try. The head in the sand routine is a common phenomenon when your world turns upside down and you realize how wrong you have been your whole life. There is a treatment.

Vote McCain.;)