Obama couldn't be cleared

[Angus]

Obama Couldn't Be Cleared
by George H. Wittman on 10.17.08 @ 6:07AM

The lowest-ranking enlisted persons in the Armed Forces of the United States who are expected to handle sensitive matters in the scores of jobs involving classified equipment or written material must be investigated before obtaining their security clearance. Could Barack Obama gain such a clearance?

To begin, the clearance applicant would have to complete a detailed personal history form that includes, if necessary, government access to all health and education files. This is the starting point of all security investigations. Top Secret clearance involves a field investigation rather than the Secret version that is usually limited to a "name check" that is a basic police and public information file review. For the TS clearance an investigator will visit the home neighborhoods and work place sites of the applicant in search of supportive and/or derogatory references.

If the clearance is extended further into the handling of information of such importance that it requires a compartmented distribution, the field and document investigation is pursued with considerable vigor over a lengthy period of time. Nuclear and other sensitive technical or political matters fall into this category.

In all cases, whether on the lower level or up to the most sensitive intelligence, the background of the applicant's personal and business involvement forms the nucleus of the initial phase of the investigation. The people with whom the applicant associates lead the investigator to personal connections and matters relative to the individual's character, beliefs and past acts appropriate to matters of security.

Eligibility for clearance at all levels is directly influenced by the people with whom one associates. Yes, who your friends are and have been does count -- a great deal. This is true, of course, in many types of police investigations where suspicion is adequate reason for further inquiry. In matters of security clearance, past associations often can mean the end of the process rather than just the beginning.

Considering Barack Obama as a candidate for a top secret security clearance status with a full array of compartmented clearances, one has to be cognizant of the fact that there is considerable evidence of associations and even assistance from individuals with past criminal records or who have expressed anti-American beliefs. Obviously admitted domestic terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, as well as recently convicted felon, Antoin "Tony" Rezko, fall into this category.

There is no possibility that a Top Secret clearance would be awarded to a member of the Armed Forces whose background included such associations. An intelligence service clearance for the handling of highly classified material would be totally out of the question.

http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obama-couldnt-be-cleared

[MetalHead]

That's a good piece of information.
How about his birth certificate?

[Wheat]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[cowboys#1]

and mccain is buddys with gordon liddy. does that mean he wont be cleared either? dont forget palins association with the alaska independents party who wanted to secede from the US

[Rowdy]

Actually, this is far from over from the last I heard.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Sounds like people are getting desperate.

[Sasquatch]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Like that's going to stop their futile revolt against reality.

[trickblue]

and mccain is buddys with gordon liddy. does that mean he wont be cleared either? dont forget palins association with the alaska independents party who wanted to secede from the US

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. They have stated that themselves...

[ConcordCowboy]

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. They have stated that themselves...

But her husband was and she associated with them though him and she told them to Keep up the good work and God Bless You.

If Obama had said that...election OVER.

http://sarahpalinfacts.blogspot.com/2008/10/terror-treason-insurgency-todd-palins.html

[masomenos]

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. They have stated that themselves...

I think her husband was though, right?

[Achozen]

I think her husband was though, right?
"What does that have to do with Palin?"

-trickblue

[cowboys#1]

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. They have stated that themselves...but she associates with her husband who was. pallin around with rebels. :D

[trickblue]

But her husband was and she associated with them though him and she told them to Keep up the good work and God Bless You.

If Obama had said that...election OVER.

http://sarahpalinfacts.blogspot.com/2008/10/terror-treason-insurgency-todd-palins.html

Wait... I thought the election was ALREADY over?

Yes he was... from 1995-2000 and then disassociated with the party.

I think her husband was though, right?

See above...

"What does that have to do with Palin?"

-trickblue

Please don't put words in my mouth, young man, although you are free to quote any post I have here...

If we are going to hold Ms. Palin to associations in regards to her husband, then we have to do the same with Mr. Obama. What I hear in here time and time again is that his past associations have nothing to do with who he is now. Why is it a different standard for Ms. Palin.

Was/is not Mr. Obama associated with New Party, ACORN, and the Arab American Action Network?

[cowboys#1]

Wait... I thought the election was ALREADY over?

Yes he was... from 1995-2000 and then disassociated with the party.



See above...



Please don't put words in my mouth, young man, although you are free to quote any post I have here...

If we are going to hold Ms. Palin to associations in regards to her husband, then we have to do the same with Mr. Obama. What I hear in here time and time again is that his past associations have nothing to do with who he is now. Why is it a different standard for Ms. Palin.

Was/is not Mr. Obama associated with New Party, ACORN, and the Arab American Action Network?its her husband. isnt that one of the most if not the most closest association you can have with another person?

[Tennione72]

Sounds like people are getting desperate.


:yathink:

[masomenos]

If we are going to hold Ms. Palin to associations in regards to her husband, then we have to do the same with Mr. Obama.


I think that's the point that people were making, that you have to apply the same test to all candidates. The article was about how Obama wouldn't pass a clearance certification on the grounds of his associations. There was no need to bring up Obama's associations because they were already being discussed. So, instead, people brought up the Alaskan Independence Party to question if Palin would not pass clearance based on the same grounds.

[MetalHead]

Bush...Halliburton....Cheney!
Illegal war....WMDs.....

Now Liddy...the Wiretapping assassin.

[masomenos]

Bush...Halliburton....Cheney!
Illegal war....WMDs.....

Now Liddy...the Wiretapping assassin.

lol

what? you lost me with that post.

edit: nevermind, I see someone brought up Liddy. It makes sense now, lol

[ConcordCowboy]

Wait... I thought the election was ALREADY over?

Yes he was... from 1995-2000 and then disassociated with the party.



I didn't say the election was over...that would be some of McCain's supporters on this board throwing in the towel.


Palin gave the Keep up the Good Work and God Bless speech in 2008.

No exactly ancient history.

:laugh2:

[trickblue]

its her husband. isnt that one of the most if not the most closest association you can have with another person?

Of course it is, but I can assure you that husbands and wives don't always follow the same political paths...

You stated that SHE was associated with the party... I merely pointed out that she wasn't. What is the problem here?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

its her husband. isnt that one of the most if not the most closest association you can have with another person?

well they did have a close association at least 5 times :p:

[BigWillie]

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. They have stated that themselves...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIi4rbIXbkw

AIP Vice-chairman said different during a conference in Tennessee in '07.

[ABQCOWBOY]

its her husband. isnt that one of the most if not the most closest association you can have with another person?

Never been married huh?..........

:laugh2:

[cowboys#1]

Never been married huh?..........

:laugh2:well at least before the honeymoon is over.:D

[trickblue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIi4rbIXbkw

AIP Vice-chairman said different during a conference in Tennessee in '07.

It's a long story, but I don't have sound on my laptop so I can't listen...

I will certainly check it out at work on Monday...

I am only going by their official release...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here is what Sarah Palin actually said to the Alaska Independance Party Convention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI&NR=1

Here is the Alaska State Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Constitution

Doesn't really sound like a smoking gun to me but hey, to each his own.

[Beast_from_East]

Seriously, who cares if he could pass a Top Secret security check or not???

So I guess that picture of McCain on that guys yacht that went down for RICO or something along with his associations with Gordan Liddy means that McCain cant pass a Top Secret clearance test either.

So neither candidate (along with most Americans) could not pass a Top Secret Security check............so what.

How exactly does this have any bearing on the election again???

[burmafrd]

Beast if you cannot figure out why not being able to get a top secret clearence means something there is no point in anyone who does trying to educate you. Some things should be obvious.

[MetalHead]

Seriously, who ****** cares if he could pass a Top Secret security check or not???

So I guess that picture of McCain on that guys yacht that went down for RICO or something along with his associations with Gordan Liddy means that McCain cant pass a Top Secret clearance test either.

So neither candidate (along with most Americans) could not pass a Top Secret Security check............so what.

How exactly does this have any bearing on the election again???

I see Liddy is the man of the hour.
I'm close to convinced that you do not understand this whole president thing.

[Beast_from_East]

Beast if you cannot figure out why not being able to get a top secret clearence means something there is no point in anyone who does trying to educate you. Some things should be obvious.

It is pretty obvious NOBODY CARES!!!!

It is the McCain campaign that needs educated here. They have been claiming Obama hangs out with terrorist for like 2 freaking weeks, I have read other places about this not getting cleared stuff, and do you know what the impact has been on the election......

IT MEANS JACK.

That is because nobody cares about Ayers, nobody cares about Rezko, nobody cares about Wright, nobody cares about ACORN, nobody cares about anything right now other than the ECONOMY!!!!


No wonder McCain is down 100 electorial votes right now.

[trickblue]

It is pretty obvious NOBODY CARES!!!!

It is the McCain campaign that needs educated here. They have been claiming Obama hangs out with terrorist for like 2 freaking weeks, I have read other places about this not getting cleared stuff, and do you know what the impact has been on the election......

IT MEANS JACK.

That is because nobody cares about Ayers, nobody cares about Rezko, nobody cares about Wright, nobody cares about ACORN, nobody cares about anything right now other than the ECONOMY!!!!


No wonder McCain is down 100 electorial votes right now.

Change...

[MetalHead]

It is pretty obvious NOBODY CARES!!!!

It is the McCain campaign that needs educated here. They have been claiming Obama hangs out with terrorist for like 2 freaking weeks, I have read other places about this not getting cleared stuff, and do you know what the impact has been on the election......

IT MEANS JACK.

That is because nobody cares about Ayers, nobody cares about Rezko, nobody cares about Wright, nobody cares about ACORN, nobody cares about anything right now other than the ECONOMY!!!!


No wonder McCain is down 100 electorial votes right now.

Obama cannot fix the economy,neither can McCain.
Stop thinking that.
Can it be worsened?
Bet your bottom dollar.

Oh,and you'll be surprised how many care about his dealings with unsavory characters.

[avaj]

That is because nobody cares about Ayers, nobody cares about Rezko, nobody cares about Wright, nobody cares about ACORN, nobody cares about anything right now other than the ECONOMY!!!!

I agree. On Nov. 4th, they will see nobody cared.

[MetalHead]

Change...

It's all you'll have left.
Hope:Not a strategy.

[Beast_from_East]

I see Liddy is the man of the hour.
I'm close to convinced that you do not understand this whole president thing.

I understand perfectly.

Using your logic, Obama is now disqualified. McCain was on a yacht of a guy that was just convicted of RICO (they showed the picture all over TV).

Do you think somebody that is shown in a picture shaking hands with a guy just convicted under RICO on a yacht in a foreign country could pass a Top Secret security check???

Probably not, and this does not even address Liddy or Keating 5 or any of the other associations that have been mentioned in the press.

So I guess McCain is now disqualified, so who exactly are we going to make president now, Sarah Palin???

Didnt she just address a successionist group THIS YEAR and told them to keep up the good work??? That kinda raises questions, not sure if she gets Top Security Clearance either, probably not.

So I guess that leaves Biden, by defalut? Didnt he have to drop out of a previous presidential race because he used somebody else's speech and took credit for it himself? Plagerism is probably something that would raise a flag on a Top Secret security check.

So all 4 candidates are now disqualified.............I think you see my point on why it really doesnt matter now. Trust me, I understand very well how elections work and what will affect votes and what wont.

Trust me, Obama & McCain are not going to lose one vote because somebody in the voting booth says "I wonder if they could pass a security test"??

[MetalHead]

I understand perfectly.

Using your logic, Obama is now disqualified. McCain was on a yacht of a guy that was just convicted of RICO (they showed the picture all over TV).

Do you think somebody that is shown in a picture shaking hands with a guy just convicted under RICO on a yacht in a foreign country could pass a Top Secret security check???

Probably not, and this does not even address Liddy or Keating 5 or any of the other associations that have been mentioned in the press.

So I guess McCain is now disqualified, so who exactly are we going to make president now, Sarah Palin???

Didnt she just address a successionist group THIS YEAR and told them to keep up the good work??? That kinda raises questions, not sure if she gets Top Security Clearance either, probably not.

So I guess that leaves Biden, by defalut? Didnt he have to drop out of a previous presidential race because he used somebody else's speech and took credit for it himself? Plagerism is probably something that would raise a flag on a Top Secret security check.

So all 4 candidates are now disqualified.............I think you see my point on why it really doesnt matter now. Trust me, I understand very well how elections work and what will affect votes and what wont.

Trust me, Obama & McCain are not going to lose one vote because somebody in the voting booth says "I wonder if they could pass a security test"??

If America does not care about Ayers,why would America care about Liddy?
Do yourself a favor and read G.Gordon Liddy's bio.
I don't think you know who he is.

[Beast_from_East]

Obama cannot fix the economy,neither can McCain.
Stop thinking that.
Can it be worsened?
Bet your bottom dollar.

Oh,and you'll be surprised how many care about his dealings with unsavory characters.

Every poll on the planet shows voters believe Obama will fix the economy more than McCain.

So your claim that neither can fix the economy is absolutely true, I agree, however PERCEPTION IS REALITY.


The perception is Obama can do it and McCain cant, that is just a fact.

[burmafrd]

Perception is reality. Really intelligent.

[VCDefectors]

Sounds like people are getting desperate.

It'll be interesting to see just how desperate the McCain campaign is going to get. I can't recall a campaign that resorted to such tasteless fear-mongering. What's really sad is that I have lost all respect for McCain for having such weak material for going after Obama and demonstrating such poor leadership qualities (i.e. instilling some discipline and focus in his own campaign).

[trickblue]

It'll be interesting to see just how desperate the McCain campaign is going to get. I can't recall a campaign that resorted to such tasteless fear-mongering. What's really sad is that I have lost all respect for McCain for having such weak material for going after Obama and demonstrating such poor leadership qualities (i.e. instilling some discipline and focus in his own campaign).

Carter campaign in '80... Mondale in '84...

[VCDefectors]

Carter campaign in '80... Mondale in '84...


That sounds about right...comparing the McCain campaign to two of the worst campaigns in presidential election history. Great analogy!

[Heisenberg]

It'll be interesting to see just how desperate the McCain campaign is going to get. I can't recall a campaign that resorted to such tasteless fear-mongering. What's really sad is that I have lost all respect for McCain for having such weak material for going after Obama and demonstrating such poor leadership qualities (i.e. instilling some discipline and focus in his own campaign).

It happens all the time. Hell, think of the campaign against Dukakis. The Willie Horton ad? LBJ and the little girl ad? Man, this stuff has been going on forever now. You either appeal to some overriding issue that is affecting the country at that point in time, their want of change, or your scare them into voting for you.

[masomenos]

It's all you'll have left.
Hope:Not a strategy.

From an ideological standpoint, I think it would be pretty hard to link Trick to Obama. I think he's remark was meant to be taken sarcastically.

[VCDefectors]

It happens all the time. Hell, think of the campaign against Dukakis. The Willie Horton ad? LBJ and the little girl ad? Man, this stuff has been going on forever now. You either appeal to some overriding issue that is affecting the country at that point in time, their want of change, or your scare them into voting for you.

That's a good way to put it. It's obvious that McCain has failed to convince voters that his policies are really that much different from Bush, especially on economic issues. So, out come the lame and fruitless attacks.

[Beast_from_East]

Perception is reality. Really intelligent.

What the hell are you talking about???

You actually have never heard of "perception is reality"???

In case you didnt bother to read the other post, I was agreeing with Artie that neither candidate will be able to fix the economy.

However, the PERCEPTION among the vast majority of Americans (as reflected in every poll on the planet) is the Obama will be better able to handle the economy.

Hence, since Obama is PECEIVED by the majority of Americans to be the better candidate on the economy (even though he cant do anything more than McCain to actually fix it himself), it then becomes the REALITY that McCain is viewed as being weaker (even though it may not be in actuality), on the economy.

It is not a matter of intelligence, it is a matter of understanding the situation. If McCain cannot change the perception that he is weaker on the economy, then he will lose. Not a matter of intelligence, just a matter of fact.

[Rack Bauer]

It is pretty obvious NOBODY CARES!!!!

Pretty ignorant on your part.

It's obvious someone DOES care or this thread wouldn't exist.

[Beast_from_East]

Pretty ignorant on your part.

It's obvious someone DOES care or this thread wouldn't exist.

Of course I am speaking in overall terms, I didnt realize some of you guys on here actually think "nobody cares" refers to every single human being in the United States currently.

So I will correct myself for you guys that dont get it. "Nobody cares" does not refer to every single human in the country, it refers to the aggregate of the population as reflected in the following facts.

1. McCain has been saying for 2 dam weeks that Obama hangs out with terrorist and the affect on the polls has been JACK. Obama up 8% in Daily Gallup today, about same as past 2 weeks.

2. McCain is pulling out of states left and right, virtually all the remaining battleground states are red states from 2004.

3. Every single electorial college projection out there has Obama winning by at least 100 electorial votes right now, actually up from 2 weeks ago.

Thus, when I say "nobody cares" this is a general term to mean that McCain has made up virtually no ground since he started these attacks, his negatives have gone through the roof, and McCain has actually had to pull out of several states since starting these attacks.

Now If these attacks were working, do you actually think any of the above would be going on right now? Would McCain be making up ground?

[JBond]

Obama would not be cleared as a janitor for my office.

[ninja]

Obama couldn't get a clearance to work in a post office, yet he may be president. All of his supporters and all the people voting for him don't care.

I wish it were a law that before running for president, the candidate would have to get a top secret clearance or be ineligible.

[CowboyPrincess]

Obama couldn't get a clearance to work in a post office, yet he may be president. All of his supporters and all the people voting for him don't care.

I wish it were a law that before running for president, the candidate would have to get a top secret clearance or be ineligible.



Not a bad idea. It would definitely help clean up the reputation of the office of the Presidency. Maybe even instill some trust back into the government..

How about a full psychological evaluation as well.