View Full Version : Why Would Powell Endorse Obama ?
irvin88
10-19-2008, 04:50 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure it out !
One is a Republican, the other a Democrat ?
What do those 2 have in common ?
Anyone believing this "transformational figure" garbage needs to ride on a short school bus.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 04:52 PM
Powell's social views are more to the left and is more in line with Obama's.
I think it's obvious that is more important to him than enything.
Draw your own conclusions.
irvin88
10-19-2008, 04:54 PM
Powell's social views are more to the left and is more in line with Obama's.
I think it's obvious that is more important to him than enything.
Draw your own conclusions.
Oh come on dude.
You know why he endorsed him.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 05:14 PM
Oh come on dude.
You know why he endorsed him.
Well, I said to draw your own conclusion.
Personally, I do think he probably endorsed him because of his skin color more than anything, IMO.
There is nothing in obama's past that leads him to be more qualified than McCain.
As I said, he is stating things that make him look like a hypocrite.
Trouble
10-19-2008, 05:21 PM
Why Would Powell Endores Obama?
Who knows?
I'm still trying to figure out why J-Z, Busta Rhymes, and 99.9% of the entire Hip-Hop-Rap community endores Obama? :lmao:
:starspin
irvin88
10-19-2008, 05:29 PM
Who knows?
I'm still trying to figure out why J-Z, Busta Rhymes, and 99.9% of the entire Hip-Hop-Rap community endores Obama? :lmao:
:starspin
What about Josh Howard ?:laugh2:
WoodysGirl
10-19-2008, 05:31 PM
The question I would ask is how important is an endorsement? Anybody's endorsement?
Truthfully I could care less who endorses either candidate. Not sure why Powell endorsing a candidate is a big thing. We've all got our own mind and can decide for ourselves who to vote for. An endorsement shouldn't change that.
Kangaroo
10-19-2008, 05:32 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure it out !
One is a Republican, the other a Democrat ?
What do those 2 have in common ?
Anyone believing this "transformational figure" garbage needs to ride on a short school bus.
Powell is more like Bush and McCain than a Republican they are moderates which tend to be more liberal than they are conservative.
He is lumped in with this group of Dems and Republicians that have this middle grown they like.
Maikeru-sama
10-19-2008, 05:38 PM
It's because he's black.
There :D .
Hoofbite
10-19-2008, 05:47 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure it out !
One is a Republican, the other a Democrat ?
What do those 2 have in common ?
Anyone believing this "transformational figure" garbage needs to ride on a short school bus.
Cause Republicans and Democrats have never agreed on anything. They are just like water and oil, they don't mix.
VCDefectors
10-19-2008, 05:48 PM
Obama is simply the better candidate. Not much more to it than that. And it's not that Obama is that great, but that McCain is really that bad. McCain is one of the worst presidential candidates in history.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 06:00 PM
Obama is simply the better candidate. Not much more to it than that. And it's not that Obama is that great, but that McCain is really that bad. McCain is one of the worst presidential candidates in history.
Hyperbole at it's best.
It's because he's black.
There :D .
:laugh2:
zrinkill
10-19-2008, 06:11 PM
It really amazes me that this poster would continue to cast doubt on why Powell has decided to endorse Obama.
Powell believes that Obama would be a better President.
I disagree ..... but I am not gonna DARE to say its because he is black.
That is casting doubt on the Generals honor.
I believe Powell did what he thinks is best for America. The man is a National Treasure ..... a GREAT American ..... and a personal Hero of mine.
I do not agree with him ...... but I also recognize that he knows both men a thousand times better than anyone on this forum.
It makes me feel better about an Obama Presidency.
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WoodysGirl
10-19-2008, 06:12 PM
Obama is simply the better candidate. Not much more to it than that. And it's not that Obama is that great, but that McCain is really that bad. McCain is one of the worst presidential candidates in history.
Don't know that Obama is the better candidate, but he's certainly run a better campaign.
Maikeru-sama
10-19-2008, 06:13 PM
It really amazes me that this poster would continue to cast doubt on why Powell has decided to endorse Obama.
Powell believes that Obama would be a better President.
I disagree ..... but I am not gonna DARE to say its because he is black.
That is casting doubt on the Generals honor.
I believe Powell did what he thinks is best for America. The man is a National Treasure ..... a GREAT American ..... and a personal Hero of mine.
I do not agree with him ...... but I also recognize that he knows both men a thousand times better than anyone on this forum.
It makes me feel better about an Obama Presidency.
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This is a very good post.
However, I have no problem with people saying that race may have played a factor.
The problem I have is individuals claiming that it was the only factor.
Danny White
10-19-2008, 06:13 PM
The question I would ask is how important is an endorsement? Anybody's endorsement?
Truthfully I could care less who endorses either candidate. Not sure why Powell endorsing a candidate is a big thing. We've all got our own mind and can decide for ourselves who to vote for. An endorsement shouldn't change that.
Obviously, it doesn't matter to me, but I can see how Powell's endorsement carries a lot of weight for some people in this case... especially the "undecideds" out there.
The "readiness" question has been applied to Obama throughout this election, especially if he's ready to defend our nation and deal with serious national security issues.
For those who don't really pay attention to the issues on their own, the endorsement of Powell is huge when it comes to addressing this question.
I already thought Obama was going to win, but this certainly helps his cause to that end tremendously.
Maikeru-sama
10-19-2008, 06:15 PM
Obviously, it doesn't matter to me, but I can see how Powell's endorsement carries a lot of weight for some people in this case... especially the "undecideds" out there.
The "readiness" question has been applied to Obama throughout this election, especially if he's ready to defend our nation and deal with serious national security issues.
For those who don't really pay attention to the issues on their own, the endorsement of Powell is huge when it comes to addressing this question.
I already thought Obama was going to win, but this certainly helps his cause to that end tremendously.
Not for me.
I think Colin Powell is a pretty decent guy but it would be foolish to vote for Barack Obama because Colin Powell endorsed him.
Just like McCain stated, there are several generals that endorsed him.
I think it is being blown up because 1) Powell is black 2) He has served in 2 Republican Administrations.
ConcordCowboy
10-19-2008, 06:22 PM
Simple.
He thinks Obama's the better man for the job.
Maikeru-sama
10-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Simple.
He thinks Obama's the better man for the job.
Actually he stated that he thought both were qualified.
He was more dissatisfied with some of the things coming out of McCain's Campaign.
hairic
10-19-2008, 06:32 PM
It's because Obama's melanocytes are more active than McCain's melanoctyes.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 06:33 PM
Actually he stated that he thought both were qualified.
He was more dissatisfied with some of the things coming out of McCain's Campaign.
And that says a lot about Powell's endorsement right there. He thought that brining up Obama's associations with known terrorists and racists was a bad thing.
Maikeru-sama
10-19-2008, 06:46 PM
And that says a lot about Powell's endorsement right there. He thought that brining up Obama's associations with known terrorists and racists was a bad thing.
I think it had more to do with:
"Kill him"
"Off with his head"
"Terrorists"
He also stated he didn't like his VP Choice, which is a valid point.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 06:49 PM
I think it had more to do with:
"Kill him"
"Off with his head"
"Terrorists"
He also stated he didn't like his VP Choice, which is a valid point.
McCain's camp didn't say that and as for the Kill him thing, that was proven to be a lie. It never happened.
One of the security detail in the crown that day in Wilkes-Barre said it never happened.
As for the Palin thing, then Powell is being a hypocrite because She is better qualified than Obama and she is running for VP.
He wants to put a less qualified person as President.
Again, even Biden doesn't think he is qualified to be president.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 07:18 PM
Maybe Powell's endorsement was about race after all.....
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/15/1403219.aspx
From NBC's Libby Leist
Colin Powell, the first African-American Secretary of State, said this afternoon that electing an African-American US president would be “electrifying” for the world, but he said he still remains undecided between McCain and Obama.
Appearing today at George Washington University with four other former US Secretaries of State -- Madeleine Albright, James Baker, Warren Christopher, and Henry Kissinger -- Powell and the panel were asked by a student whether they thought America electing Obama president would send a more powerful image overseas than John McCain.
Baker and Albright spoke first and said they both thought it would be significant, but Baker noted he was still voting Republican. “I think electing the first African-American president would send a powerful message not just abroad but in this country as well. Having said that I have, of course, endorsed Sen. McCain,” Baker said to much laughter.
Albright followed up and got a huge round of applause from the college audience for her presidential choice. “I think it would send a huge message in terms of what America stands for and in terms of diversity and potential. And I, of course, am supporting Sen. Obama,” she said.
Then came Powell. “[T]o send that kind of a message, I think would be electrifying,” he said, “but at the same time, we have to make a judgment here ... which of the candidates blends a right measure of experience and judgment? I have been watching both of these individuals, and I know them both extremely well and I have not decided who I’m going to vote for yet.”
Powell said he wants to watch the debates, look at the party platforms, and focus on substance. "We've got to get off this lipstick on a pig stuff," he said to loud applause.
When one of the moderators asked Powell whether this vote was personal to him since he was the first African-American Secretary of State, his answer sparked wild applause. "I'm an American first and foremost," he said.
Powell explained to the audience that he told McCain he would not vote for him just because they have been friends for 25 years, and he told Obama he would not vote for him just because he is black. He said he will look at who has the best economic policies, who inspires the most confidence in the country and around the world, and who will keep America safe.
The 90-minute forum, to air next weekend on CNN, focused on the full range of foreign policy issues that will confront McCain or Obama: Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Middle East peace, Africa, climate change, and torture.
There was bipartisan consensus from the Secretaries of State that the next President needs to work to restore America’s image and influence in the world and recapture American power, after eight years of an unpopular George W. Bush.
Some of the advice for President McCain or President Obama on how American can restore world confidence: close Guantanamo Bay, outlaw torture, engage Iran, and take the lead on climate change with a new US policy.
In the afternoon’s only reference to GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin, the Secretaries of State were asked if they were in consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. Albright drew laughter and applause when she quipped that there was consensus “except in Alaska." It was obviously a reference to previous statements Palin has made questioning whether human activity plays a role in global warming.
The event was organized by CNN, George Washington University, Colin Powell Center for Policy Studies, the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy, and the Center for New American Security.
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So if race played NO part of his endorsement, why start the thing off with a race based comment?
Who knows?
I'm still trying to figure out why J-Z, Busta Rhymes, and 99.9% of the entire Hip-Hop-Rap community endores Obama? :lmao:
:starspin
Stunning indeed. ;)
I think it had more to do with:
"Kill him"
"Off with his head"
"Terrorists"
He also stated he didn't like his VP Choice, which is a valid point.
So that's why he didn't have a problem with people at Obama's rally saying things like:
"Palin's a ***t."
"Palin should've been aborted"
It's ok to say offensive things as long as you don't like them. gotcha.
ConcordCowboy
10-19-2008, 07:45 PM
Actually he stated that he thought both were qualified.
He was more dissatisfied with some of the things coming out of McCain's Campaign.
True but he obviously thinks one is better than the other.
Obama.
DaBoys4Life
10-19-2008, 07:47 PM
he's black and it's a good look.
True but he obviously thinks one is better than the other.
Obama.
One is also darker than the other. Now guess which one he endorsed.
Hostile
10-19-2008, 08:35 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure it out !
One is a Republican, the other a Democrat ?
What do those 2 have in common ?
Anyone believing this "transformational figure" garbage needs to ride on a short school bus.Same reason Lieberman would endorse McCain. It is how they feel. I don't think either should be castigated for their beliefs.
Danny White
10-19-2008, 08:39 PM
Statements like this make me glad that Powell never ran for President as a Republican:
"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."
If he'd really be happier with Obama's high court nominees, then I have little use for his opinions.
Cajuncowboy
10-19-2008, 10:06 PM
Statements like this make me glad that Powell never ran for President as a Republican:
"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."
If he'd really be happier with Obama's high court nominees, then I have little use for his opinions.
that in a nutshell tells you all you need to know about his "Republican" nature.
irvin88
10-19-2008, 11:09 PM
Statements like this make me glad that Powell never ran for President as a Republican:
"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."
If he'd really be happier with Obama's high court nominees, then I have little use for his opinions.
He's a racist piece of rubbish.
Sasquatch
10-20-2008, 12:07 AM
Statements like this make me glad that Powell never ran for President as a Republican:
"I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."
If he'd really be happier with Obama's high court nominees, then I have little use for his opinions.
A political moderate who puts the common interest ahead of narrow ideological partisanship is always incomprehensible to those on the extremes.
Sasquatch
10-20-2008, 12:08 AM
Simple.
He thinks Obama's the better man for the job.
Too obvious and doesn't advance the extreme right wing's agenda.
EveryoneElse
10-20-2008, 12:11 AM
It's because he's black.
There :D .
Powell may be African American, but he is definetly not black. :D
bbgun
10-20-2008, 12:58 AM
This blog post sums it up nicely:
This is about race, but only partly so. It's also largely about liberalism.
Colin Powell is a liberal, and always has been.
Colin Powell was never a Republican. He was a military officer who knew how to play the political game during a period dominated by Republicans. Of course he kissed Republican ***. Just as he kissed Bob Woodward's *** to make sure he always came out smelling like roses in his books.
The Republican Party has always used Powell, just as he's used us in turn. We have promoted this dubious figure as -- let's admit it -- a bit of a token, proof that black people like us.
But he's never been on our side. He's always been a liberal, and, moreover, he's always been on Colin Powell's side.
dbair1967
10-20-2008, 06:58 AM
Obama is simply the better candidate. Not much more to it than that. And it's not that Obama is that great, but that McCain is really that bad. McCain is one of the worst presidential candidates in history.
I can think of several who were/are worse, including the clown he is running against
I do think this is arguably the worst choices across the board we've ever had, and definitely since I started voting
zrinkill
10-20-2008, 07:11 AM
He's a racist piece of rubbish.
Who? .....
NinePointOh
10-20-2008, 07:19 AM
Nice to know the folks who complain so often about the race card aren't above playing it themselves.
Wheat
10-20-2008, 07:50 AM
Powell is endorsing Obama because he believes that this country needs a few things.
#1. He believes that McCain has been unsure of himself when it comes to the economy. Seeing that is THE most important issue for most American's today, it played into this.
#2. He believes that for some time time. Obama has shown (I'm guessing "Him") to be a rational, calm, and thoughtful person who wants to analyze and consult with experts on various issues that impact America today.
#3. He was basically turned off by the tone of the McCain campaign. That is when he told the story of the mother at the grave of an American who died in Iraq who was Muslim. I believe that this was in response to the situation at the McCain rally where the elderly women claimed to not trust Obama because he was an "Arab". To McCain's response that is wasn't true.....and Obama was a good man. I'm sure McCain wasn't saying that all Arabs are bad people. But, he used that as an example of an Arab-American being a hero in this war.
I believe that Powell still went out of his way to say McCain is a good man with a good heart. But, that the time for him to be President perhaps had past.....and it was time a new direction for the United States.
It was probably the most thoughtful thing anybody has said politically in many months.
It's because he's black.
There :D .
I thought he was as much white as anything else? Oh I get it, its an all or nothing deal...
ConcordCowboy
10-20-2008, 09:15 AM
Too obvious and doesn't advance the extreme right wing's agenda.
Exactly.
People are talk about ripping Joe the Plummer.
But it's OK to rip Powell for endorsing Obama.
The man thinks both could be good Presidents.
He just happens to think Obama's the better choice at this time.
Maikeru-sama
10-20-2008, 09:17 AM
I thought he was as much white as anything else? Oh I get it, its an all or nothing deal...
I was being sarcastic.
NinePointOh
10-20-2008, 09:26 AM
The even more likely scenario than race? He wants SecDef or another cabinet portfolio and would have taken the post under either administration, but he now expects Obama to win. There's probably a reason he didn't make an endorsement back when the polls were tighter. I suspect that if the roles were reversed, he'd have no problem endorsing McCain.
Danny White
10-20-2008, 09:30 AM
The even more likely scenario than race? He wants SecDef or another cabinet portfolio and would have taken the post under either administration, but he now expects Obama to win. There's probably a reason he didn't make an endorsement back when the polls were tighter. I suspect that if the roles were reversed, he'd have no problem endorsing McCain.
There may be some truth to that as well.
joseephuss
10-20-2008, 09:34 AM
I think either McCain or Obama would be wise to have Powell join their cabinet. I think it would also be a good choice to keep Gates as Secretary of Defense if he is interested in continuing in that position.
WoodysGirl
10-20-2008, 09:36 AM
The even more likely scenario than race? He wants SecDef or another cabinet portfolio and would have taken the post under either administration, but he now expects Obama to win. There's probably a reason he didn't make an endorsement back when the polls were tighter. I suspect that if the roles were reversed, he'd have no problem endorsing McCain.
To add to this point...
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133449
Ashwynn
10-20-2008, 07:20 PM
Well it looks like if Obama wins, Powell has a job advising the next president.
Endorsements to get a job. Damn, wonder how much weight my endorsement of McCain would carry if I went public?
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