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WoodysGirl
10-20-2008, 10:10 AM
NEW YORK – Consumers got another break at the gas pump Monday, as prices dropped further below $3 a gallon and approached year-ago levels even as the near-certainty of an OPEC production cut pushed oil prices marginally higher.

Gasoline has fallen more than a dime a gallon since Friday, hitting a national average of $2.92 on Monday, according to auto club AAA, the Oil Price Information Service and Wright Express.

Pump prices have fallen 29 percent from their July record high of $4.114 a gallon and are only 10 cents higher than a year ago. That difference could be bridged this week if gasoline keeps falling at the current rate.

The pullback at the pump comes amid a dramatic turnaround in crude oil prices.

Chakib Khelil, president of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, said Sunday that members plan to announce a "substantial" output cut at an extraordinary meeting that begins Friday in Vienna.

Analysts say OPEC countries have been alarmed by falling oil prices and want a production cut to prop up members' national budgets that only months ago were bulging with hundreds of billions in petrodollars.

Khelil, who is also Algeria's energy minister, said OPEC may cut output again at a meeting in December, and that the group considers the oil market oversupplied by about 2 million barrels a day.

Light, sweet crude for November delivery rose $2.29 to $74.14 a barrel in morning trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The contract Friday gained $1.53 to settle at $71.38; crude has fallen about 50 percent from its July 11 high of $147.27.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Sunday he would like prices between $80 and $90 a barrel.

On Monday, trader and analyst Stephen Schork called those comments "oddly conciliatory."

"Unfortunately for Venezuela ... and the rest of OPEC, $80 might not be enough for the bears ... at least in the short run," Schork said in his daily publication, The Schork Report. "After all, the people ... who (initially) denied the existence of the bubble and who have subsequently been telling us since $110 that the floor in oil is in ... are the same people who are now telling us oil cannot last below $80."

Americans radically changed their behavior after gasoline prices spiked above $4 over the summer. And there are signs that emerging economies like China have begun to slow.

Analysts say almost any OPEC action has already been priced in by investors.

"The market is factoring in a big cut. It will likely be as much as 2 million barrels," said Mark Pervan, senior commodity strategist with ANZ Bank in Melbourne. "I think they will go pretty large just to change the sentiment."

Investors largely ignored an OPEC output reduction of about 520,000 barrels a day last month, focusing instead on weakening demand.

Vienna's JBC Energy suggested that — beyond an OPEC cut of at least 1 million barrels a day — a surprise in the form of Russia also reducing output in coordination with the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries — may be in the offing.

"The likelihood of such a move should not be underestimated, as Moscow has recently been seen putting more emphasis on its relationship with OPEC, having sent Vice Premier (Igor) Sechin to attend the last meeting in September," it said in a research note.

In Paris, Nobuo Tanaka, the head of the International Energy Agency, urged OPEC not to cut production so as not to stifle the still-growing economies of countries like China, India and Brazil.

"We think that the current level of prices are still very, very high and the market very tight," he said.

In its monthly report last week, the Paris-based energy watchdog cut its forecast for oil demand this year by 240,000 barrels per day, and slashed its 2009 forecast by 440,000 barrels per day amid the global financial crisis.

Fears that turmoil in global financial markets will spark an economic slowdown in developed countries has helped push prices down.

Last week, news of rising U.S. oil inventories, falling retail sales and slowing housing starts fueled concerns that the world's largest economy may face a major recession that will undermine demand for crude.

"Oil demand in the U.S. will be a bellwether," Pervan said. "If the US, Europe and Japan go into a major recession, there's no reason we can't see $35, $40 a barrel."

In other Nymex trading, heating oil futures rose 6.08 cents to $2.2177 a gallon, while gasoline prices gained 3.29 cents to $1.699 a gallon. Natural gas for December delivery surged nearly 20.7 cents to $7.513 per 1,000 cubic feet.

In London, December Brent crude was up $1.97 to $71.57 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange.

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Associated Press writers George Jahn in Vienna, Austria and Alex Kennedy in Singapore contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

ConcordCowboy
10-20-2008, 10:12 AM
Good, keep it going.

iceberg
10-20-2008, 10:25 AM
i do hope "the people" still want to push for greener methods and not just move on because it got cheap again. this is a long term "fix" to see through that can't be totally dependant on the cost at the pump today.

Phrozen Phil
10-20-2008, 11:30 AM
i do hope "the people" still want to push for greener methods and not just move on because it got cheap again. this is a long term "fix" to see through that can't be totally dependant on the cost at the pump today.

You raise an excellent point. It concerns me that people have a short memory on this issue. We need to think conservation regardless of the current price at the pump. Despite the recent concerns, I note that GM has introduced a new, thirsty Hummer pickup, which while it might be sexy, it's the worst message for a auto maker to give.

iceberg
10-20-2008, 12:32 PM
You raise an excellent point. It concerns me that people have a short memory on this issue. We need to think conservation regardless of the current price at the pump. Despite the recent concerns, I note that GM has introduced a new, thirsty Hummer pickup, which while it might be sexy, it's the worst message for a auto maker to give.

most people, understandably, want the immediate pain fixed. now that gas prices are lower, fixed.

if/when it happens again they'll be up in arms again that no one has done anything.

politicians only address what's being screamed about NOW. and by address, i don't mean fix it, i mean talk about it as if it's someone elses fault and they know what to do.

people, by nature, are IGS driven.

Phrozen Phil
10-20-2008, 02:35 PM
most people, understandably, want the immediate pain fixed. now that gas prices are lower, fixed.

if/when it happens again they'll be up in arms again that no one has done anything.

politicians only address what's being screamed about NOW. and by address, i don't mean fix it, i mean talk about it as if it's someone elses fault and they know what to do.

people, by nature, are IGS driven.

No kidding. I'm looking for any way to stave off the increased cost of energy. I'm getting an energy audit on my house and my wife and I are reviewing our trips in the vehicles we have. I figure that I have to take the initiative, if for no other reason, financially. Gas prices will rise again, it's just a question of when.

iceberg
10-20-2008, 02:36 PM
No kidding. I'm looking for any way to stave off the increased cost of energy. I'm getting an energy audit on my house and my wife and I are reviewing our trips in the vehicles we have. I figure that I have to take the initiative, if for no other reason, financially. Gas prices will rise again, it's just a question of when.

and then the masses will come out all mad nothing got done. it won't get done it if get affordable again and the problem is lessened. the focus will merely shift to other problems till *we* continue to make it an issue, cost effective now or not.

Phrozen Phil
10-20-2008, 03:16 PM
and then the masses will come out all mad nothing got done. it won't get done it if get affordable again and the problem is lessened. the focus will merely shift to other problems till *we* continue to make it an issue, cost effective now or not.

I'm considering creating a "methane-mobile" and going on a steady diet of chili. Yup, fueled by my own "personal exhaust". ;)

My only concern would be that the price of beans might go up!

Bizwah
10-20-2008, 05:33 PM
I don't know....I think people may have learned their lesson on oil.

I still think the best solution is to drill baby drill......and at the same time aggressively pursue alternative fuels.

The quicker we find a new fuel....the better.

ABQCOWBOY
10-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Do you think that any of the voting public will credit Bush or McCain for this reduction in fuel costs?

I doubt anybody will but in fairness, if your going to condem Bush for the economy and prices at the pump, and by default McCain, then it seems only fair that they receive credit for this as well.

I'm not expecting this, mind you, but it will be interesting to see if the American Voting public is as fickle as I suspect they might be.

Ashwynn
10-20-2008, 07:17 PM
Its called DEMAND DESTRUCTION.

Watch for the stair step going up. this is a temporary respite, enjoy it while you can. Gas will eventually go up and down, up and down and up and down. But the long term trend is UP.

iceberg
10-20-2008, 07:28 PM
Do you think that any of the voting public will credit Bush or McCain for this reduction in fuel costs?

I doubt anybody will but in fairness, if your going to condem Bush for the economy and prices at the pump, and by default McCain, then it seems only fair that they receive credit for this as well.

I'm not expecting this, mind you, but it will be interesting to see if the American Voting public is as fickle as I suspect they might be.

this was covered when many said it was a plot and when bushs term is over it will go down in price. i'm sure they're touting victory and I TOLD YOU SO! on that one, but -

they also said it was a plot and bin laden would be captured before bush left office.

jury still out on that conspiracy theory.