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ConcordCowboy
10-21-2008, 06:45 PM
Boy She's a Maverick Alright!

:D

Call Out to Wheat!

;)


AP INVESTIGATION: Alaska Funded Palin Kids' Travel


AP INVESTIGATION: Palin charged state for children's travel, later amended expense reports

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Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.


The charges included costs for hotel and commercial flights for three daughters to join Palin to watch their father in a snowmobile race, and a trip to New York, where the governor attended a five-hour conference and stayed with 17-year-old Bristol for five days and four nights in a luxury hotel.

In all, Palin has charged the state $21,012 for her three daughters' 64 one-way and 12 round-trip commercial flights since she took office in December 2006. In some other cases, she has charged the state for hotel rooms for the girls.

Alaska law does not specifically address expenses for a governor's children. The law allows for payment of expenses for anyone conducting official state business.

But some organizers of these events said they were surprised when the Palin children showed up uninvited, or said they agreed to a request by the governor to allow the children to attend.

Several other organizers said the children merely accompanied their mother and did not participate. The trips enabled Palin, whose main state office is in the capital of Juneau, to spend more time with her children.

"She said any event she can take her kids to is an event she tries to attend," said Jennifer McCarthy, who helped organize the June 2007 Family Day Celebration picnic in Ketchikan that Piper attended with her parents.

State Finance Director Kim Garnero told The Associated Press she has not reviewed the Palins' travel expense forms, so she could not say whether the daughters' travel with their mother would meet the definition of official business.

On Aug. 6, three weeks before Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain chose Palin his running mate, and after Alaska reporters asked for the records, Palin ordered changes to previously filed expense reports for her daughters' travel.

In the amended reports, Palin added phrases such as "First Family attending" and "First Family invited" to explain the girls' attendance.

"The governor said, 'I want the purpose and the reason for this travel to be clear,'" said Linda Perez, state director of administrative services.

When Palin released her family's tax records as part of her vice presidential campaign, some tax experts questioned why she did not report the children's state travel reimbursements as income.

The Palins released a review by a Washington attorney who said state law allows the children's travel expenses to be reimbursed and not taxed when they conduct official state business.

Taylor Griffin, a McCain-Palin campaign spokesman, said Palin followed state policy allowing governors to charge for their children's travel. He said the governor's office has invitations requesting the family to attend some events, but he said he did not have them to provide.


The event's organizers said Palin asked if she could bring her daughter.

Alexis Gelber, who organized Newsweek's Third Annual Women & Leadership Conference, said she does not know how Bristol ended up attending. Gelber said invitees usually attend alone, but some ask if they can bring a relative or friend.

Griffin, the campaign spokesman, said he believes someone with the event personally sent an e-mail to Bristol inviting her, but he did not have it to provide. Records show Palin also met with Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Goldman Sachs representatives and visited the New York Stock Exchange.

In January, the governor, Willow and Piper showed up at the Alaska Symphony of Seafood Buffet, an Anchorage gala to announce winners of an earlier seafood competition.

"She was just there," said James Browning, executive director of Alaska Fisheries Development Foundation, which runs the event. Griffin said the governor's office received an invitation that was not specifically addressed to anyone.

When Palin amended her children's expense reports, she listed a role for the two girls at the function — "to draw two separate raffle tickets."


FILE ** In this Feb. 11, 2007 file photo, Bristol Palin, left, and her sister Willow, daughters of...
FILE ** In this Feb. 11, 2007 file photo, Bristol Palin, left, and her sister Willow, daughters of Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, waves the starting flag for their father Todd Palin at the start of the Iron Dog snowmachine race in Big Lake, Alaska. Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports that justified their presence as official business. (AP Photo/Al Grillo, File)
(AP)
More PhotosIn the original travel form, Palin listed a number of events that her children attended and said they were there "in official capacity helping." She did not identify any specific roles for the girls.

In July, the governor charged the state $2,741.26 to take Bristol and Piper to Philadelphia for a meeting of the National Governors Association. The girls had their own room for five nights at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel for $215.46 a night, expense records show.

Expense forms describe the girls' official purpose as "NGA Governor's Youth Programs and family activities." But those programs were activities designed to keep children busy, a service provided by the NGA to accommodate governors and their families, NGA spokeswoman Jodi Omear said.

In addition to the commercial flights, the children have traveled dozens of times with Palin on a state plane. For these flights, the total cost of operating the plane, at $971 an hour, was about $55,000, according to state flight logs. The cost of operating the state plane does not increase when the children join their mother.

The organizer of an American Heart Association luncheon on Feb. 15 in Fairbanks said Palin asked to bring daughter Piper to the event, and the organizer said she was surprised when Palin showed up with daughters Willow and Bristol as well.

The three Palin daughters shared a room separate from their mother at the Princess Lodge in Fairbanks for two nights, at a cost to the state of $129 per night.

The luncheon took place before Palin's husband, Todd, finished fourth in the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snowmobile race, also in Fairbanks. The family greeted him at the finish line.

When Palin showed up at the luncheon with not just Piper but also Willow and Bristol, organizers had to scramble to make room at the main table, said Janet Bartels, who set up the event.

"When it's the governor, you just make it happen," she said.

The state is already reviewing nearly $17,000 in per diem payments to Palin for more than 300 nights she slept at her own home, 40 miles from her satellite office in Anchorage.

Tony Knowles, a Democratic former governor of Alaska who lost to Palin in a 2006 bid to reclaim the job, said he never charged the state for his three children's commercial flights or claimed their travel as official state business.

Knowles, who was governor from 1994 to 2002, is the only other recent Alaska governor who had school-age children while in office.

"There was no valid reason for the children to be along on state business," said Knowles, a supporter of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. "I cannot recall any instance during my eight years as governor where it would have been appropriate to claim they performed state business."

Knowles said he brought his children to one NGA event while in office but didn't charge the state for their trip.

In February 2007, the three girls flew from Juneau to Anchorage on Alaska Airlines. Palin charged the state for the $519.30 round-trip ticket for each girl, and noted on the expense form that the daughters accompanied her to "open the start of the Iron Dog race."

The children and their mother then watched as Todd Palin and other racers started the competition, which Todd won that year. Palin later had the relevant expense forms changed to describe the girls' business as "First Family official starter for the start of the Iron Dog race."

The Palins began charging the state for commercial flights after the governor kept a 2006 campaign promise to sell a jet bought by her predecessor.

Palin put the jet up for sale on eBay, a move she later trumpeted in her star-making speech at the Republican National Convention, and it was ultimately sold by the state at a loss.

That left only one high-performance aircraft deemed safe enough for her to use — a 1980 twin-engine King Air assigned to the public safety agency but, according to flight logs, out of service for maintenance and repairs about a third of the time Palin has been governor.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/WireStory?id=6082589&page=1

Wheat
10-21-2008, 06:48 PM
I like her cut of her jib. Doing it her own way. Who cares who foots the bill?

Sexxxxxxxxy

cowboys#1
10-21-2008, 06:49 PM
is that sorta like porkbarrell spending??:D

ConcordCowboy
10-21-2008, 06:50 PM
I like her cut of her jib. Doing it her own way. Who cares who foots the bill?

Sexxxxxxxxy

After I saw this article...I sat up straight!

:p:

Wheat
10-21-2008, 06:54 PM
After I saw this article...I sat up straight!

:p:

Not to be a pig about it. But she's hot in a Diane Lane kind of way. Probably call out of work a day early because you know she'll mess you up.......in a good way.

If her and McCain lose. I think she's probably damaged her political career more than she helped it. Unless she wants Steven's senate seat. Maybe she can be the new Anne Coulter.....without manhands.

BrAinPaiNt
10-21-2008, 07:01 PM
Not to be a pig about it. But she's hot in a Diane Lane kind of way. Probably call out of work a day early because you know she'll mess you up.......in a good way.

If her and McCain lose. I think she's probably damaged her political career more than she helped it. Unless she wants Steven's senate seat. Maybe she can be the new Anne Coulter.....without orangutan hands.

Fixed that for you.:D

Wheat
10-21-2008, 07:32 PM
Fixed that for you.:D

Why did I get a mental image of a female Donkey Kong, throwing barrels at people?

Maikeru-sama
10-21-2008, 07:42 PM
Didn't bother reading the article.

I just don't care personally and if she did, im almost positive more egregious things have been committed by a public figure.

Danny White
10-21-2008, 07:50 PM
Didn't bother reading the article.

I just don't care personally and if she did, im almost positive more egregious things have been committed by a public figure.

This isn't new news either. It was well hashed over when she was first announced and it was determined that her travel was well within what was legal and permitted under Alaska's rules/guidelines for the Governor.

Maikeru-sama
10-21-2008, 08:00 PM
This isn't new news either. It was well hashed over when she was first announced and it was determined that her travel was well within what was legal and permitted under Alaska's rules/guidelines for the Governor.

True.

I don't care about Ayers, muslim names, Keating 5, Palin's and her kids trip, cancer battles, who has a degree and who doesn't.

Just doesn't concern me right now.

Unfortunately it is fun and people always claim Americans don't like negative ads, I think the love it personally.

Phrozen Phil
10-21-2008, 09:19 PM
True.

I don't care about Ayers, muslim names, Keating 5, Palin's and her kids trip, cancer battles, who has a degree and who doesn't.

Just doesn't concern me right now.

Unfortunately it is fun and people always claim Americans don't like negative ads, I think they love it personally.

I'm with you on this one. I personally like the idea that kids can see their parents when they travel. I just wish folks were more up-front about it. The per-diem thing is a head-scratcher, but as you say, is it critical to the campaign. I hope Obama's kids get to see him frequently. As for the negative ads, I think they're like gossip: It's about rumor and half-truths and people are titillated by it.

burmafrd
10-21-2008, 09:34 PM
The AP has been relentless about attacking Palin every chance it gets. People are tuning them out- even the other MSM pretty much ignores them now.

Rowdy
10-21-2008, 09:44 PM
What's funny is how this country is divided between two main sides-the Right and the Left. We bicker and squabble like a room full of hens. Its like seeing an entire country of lemmings and they are either wearing a blue shirt or a red one.

avaj
10-21-2008, 11:34 PM
True.

I don't care about Ayers, muslim names, Keating 5, Palin's and her kids trip, cancer battles, who has a degree and who doesn't.

Just doesn't concern me right now.

Unfortunately it is fun and people always claim Americans don't like negative ads, I think the love it personally.

:bow:

trickblue
10-22-2008, 12:09 AM
True.

I don't care about Ayers, muslim names, Keating 5, Palin's and her kids trip, cancer battles, who has a degree and who doesn't.

Just doesn't concern me right now.

Unfortunately it is fun and people always claim Americans don't like negative ads, I think the love it personally.

I actually DO care about Ayers... How many times have we seen this:

http://www.tellingfilms.co.uk/images/palestine/rumsfeld_saddam.gif

the rest... not so much...

I'm still waiting for Bush to declare Martial Law and take over the country...

The extremist said it would happen... again and again... and on here...

I am very cynical to these candidates... both are beholden to special interest groups...

Neither have our best interest at heart... and both are egomaniacs...

Congress actually determines the direction of this country... Pelosi is the worst speaker in history... Reid has MANY skeletons....

Sadly the two party system is killing us... none of them are going to do anything about it...

Barney Frank serves on a board that regulates an entity he took money from... what is wrong with this picture... Every time he is challenged he screams gay hate... it isn't gay hate... it is just plain out hate...

It goes on both sides...

George Washington warned about a two party country...

If he was alive today he would be vilified by both sides...

I hate you both, for the record... :D

Here is the thing I don't get... we ALL deserve tax cuts as hard working Americans. When are THEY going to cut spending. They go to congress with a portfolio of 200k, then retire millionaires... where does this come from? (rhetorical... we all know)...

We all clamor about the crooks in congress... then we vote them back in under the premise that they are OUR crooks... everyone wants to stake their claim...

Sasquatch
10-22-2008, 12:24 AM
If her and McCain lose. I think she's probably damaged her political career more than she helped it.

We're in the minority in believing this. In retrospect, she will be seen as one of the main mistakes of the McCain campaign. I do not see her leading the republican party in 2012 or 2016. She was a rising star that turned out to be a dud.

Sasquatch
10-22-2008, 12:25 AM
The AP has been relentless about attacking Palin every chance it gets. People are tuning them out- even the other MSM pretty much ignores them now.

It's called vetting. McCain's people should have done a better job of doing this themselves.

Sasquatch
10-22-2008, 12:26 AM
After I saw this article...I sat up straight!

:p:

The moment I saw this on YahooNews I knew you were going to be the one to post it in the PZ.

Beast_from_East
10-22-2008, 12:27 AM
I really dont care about this myself, but it does kinda take the bloom of this rose.

She is suppose to be this great reformer and clean-up Washington and she was charging the taxpayers of Alaska for sleeping in her own house. Now she was charging taxpayers to take the kids to watch their daddy in a snowmobile race.

How exactly is Hotel and Airfare for the 3 daughters to watch "First Dude" in a freaking snowmobile race considered "official state business"???

Sorry guys, but she is just like all the other policiticians who are looking out for themselves first and the rest of us if anything is left.

My .02

Viper
10-22-2008, 02:30 AM
To be honest here, if Obama wins he will be required to dedicate much of his time to the country. Having his kids with him is part of the deal, I want them to have total access to their father. Asking kids to give up their parent just because he is serving the country is idiotic.

I have no problem with Obama being a father, why would I have a problem with Palin being a mother.

Hypnotoad
10-22-2008, 04:05 AM
I think this is a non-story. Democrats would be foolish to pursue this. Its more devastating that she spent $150,000 of RNC contribution money on clothes. The Alaska mayoral expenditures shows her fiscal responsibility, but she did nothing wrong or illegal.

Heisenberg
10-22-2008, 04:07 AM
I think this is a non-story. Democrats would be foolish to pursue this. Its more devastating that she spent $150,000 of RNC contribution money on clothes. The Alaska mayoral expenditures shows her fiscal responsibility, but she did nothing wrong or illegal.

The Obama campaign won't touch it. They're in the home stretch here and there's no reason to start pushing petty stuff at the moment. They'll stay on message and play ball control offense.

burmafrd
10-22-2008, 04:30 AM
CNN has this as its lead story on its web page. And some of you still think there is no bias there?
Considering the age of her children, why in the world would anyone CARE about the expense of having them with their MOTHER?

Hypnotoad
10-22-2008, 04:34 AM
CNN has this as its lead story on its web page. And some of you still think there is no bias there?
Considering the age of her children, why in the world would anyone CARE about the expense of having them with their MOTHER?

I am assuming CNN uses an algorithm based on user clicks and article ratings to populate the front page story section. Most would agree there is nothing wrong with what she did. I guess the story generates clicks :)

burmafrd
10-22-2008, 04:36 AM
You give them more credit then I do. SInce I have not seen one time where they have put Obama there on anything that looks bad.

Beast_from_East
10-22-2008, 05:30 AM
You give them more credit then I do. SInce I have not seen one time where they have put Obama there on anything that looks bad.

Is every network except FOX NEWS in the tank for Obama????

Do you really believe that????

ConcordCowboy
10-22-2008, 07:21 AM
The moment I saw this on YahooNews I knew you were going to be the one to post it in the PZ.

What can I say...I love the Maverick in her.

;)

jimnabby
10-22-2008, 11:32 AM
This isn't new news either. It was well hashed over when she was first announced and it was determined that her travel was well within what was legal and permitted under Alaska's rules/guidelines for the Governor.

Do you have a link for that? Because this is the first I've heard of it.

Danny White
10-22-2008, 12:44 PM
Do you have a link for that? Because this is the first I've heard of it.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/palin_per_diem_travel_expenses.html

That was September 9, just days after she was first announced.


This whole story is about as fresh as Joe Biden's plagiarism scandal, and not even half as relevant.