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Heisenberg
10-21-2008, 11:38 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html

On Al-Qaeda Web Sites, Joy Over U.S. Crisis, Support for McCain

By Joby Warrick and Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, October 22, 2008; A13

Al-Qaeda is watching the U.S. stock market's downward slide with something akin to jubilation, with its leaders hailing the financial crisis as a vindication of its strategy of crippling America's economy through endless, costly foreign wars against Islamist insurgents.

And at least some of its supporters think Sen. John McCain is the presidential candidate best suited to continue that trend.

"Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election," said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the "failing march of his predecessor," President Bush.

The Web commentary was one of several posted by Taliban or al-Qaeda-allied groups in recent days that trumpeted the global financial crisis and predicted further decline for the United States and other Western powers. In language that was by turns mocking and ominous, the newest posting credited al-Qaeda with having lured Washington into a trap that had "exhausted its resources and bankrupted its economy." It further suggested that a terrorist strike might swing the election to McCain and guarantee an expansion of U.S. military commitments in the Islamic world.

"It will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaeda," said the posting, attributed to Muhammad Haafid, a longtime contributor to the password-protected site. "Al-Qaeda then will succeed in exhausting America."

It was unclear how closely the commentary reflected the views of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who has not issued a public statement since the spring. Some terrorism experts said the support for McCain could be mere bluster by a group that may have more to fear from a McCain presidency. In any event, the comments summarized what has emerged as a consensus view on extremist sites, said Adam Raisman, a senior analyst for the Site Intelligence Group, which monitors Islamist Web pages. Site provided translations of the comments to The Washington Post.

"The idea in the jihadist forums is that McCain would be a faithful 'son of Bush' -- someone they see as a jingoist and a war hawk," Raisman said. "They think that, to succeed in a war of attrition, they need a leader in Washington like McCain."

Islamist militants have generally had less to say about Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. Leaders of the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah expressed a favorable view of Obama during the primary campaign but later rejected the Democrat after he delivered speeches expressing support for Israel.

In an e-mail response, senior McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann noted that al-Qaeda leaders have repeatedly said that America "did not have the stomach to fight them over the long haul," which the Arizona senator has pledged to do. "Whatever musings and bravado on radical websites the Washington Post chooses to quote, the fact remains that only John McCain has the experience, judgment and fortitude to lead a country at war," he said. The Obama campaign declined to comment on the Web postings.

Both the Bush administration and the two major presidential campaigns have rejected any suggestion that the economic downturn will undermine the country's fight against al-Qaeda. Obama and McCain have stepped gingerly around the issue of how they would adjust their priorities in a recession and have spoken of the importance of maintaining a strong defense. Both have advocated expanding the size of the U.S. military overall, but neither has explained in detail how to pay for it.

From shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaeda attacks to last year, U.S. defense spending rose from 3 to 4 percent of gross domestic product, but it remains far below the 45-year average of 5.5 percent. The Pentagon's budget for fiscal 2009 is $527 billion, a figure that does not include Iraq and Afghanistan war costs, which have totaled more than $800 billion since 2001.

"History shows us that nations that are strong militarily over time have to have a strong economy," McCain said this month. He has said the United States must send more troops to Afghanistan while avoiding a withdrawal timetable from Iraq.

Obama has tied an Iraq withdrawal to increased forces in Afghanistan and the ability to fund domestic programs. The continued fight in Iraq "means we can't provide health care to people who need it," Obama said in his first debate with McCain.

"Nobody is talking about losing this war," Obama said of Iraq. "What we are talking about is recognizing that the next president has to have broader strategic vision."

It is not the first time al-Qaeda and its allies have weighed in on a Western election. Bin Laden released a video message Oct. 29, 2004, days before the U.S. presidential election, warning of plans for further attacks on U.S. targets. Some strategists for Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), the Democratic nominee, have said the timing of the message tipped the balance toward Bush, who defined himself as the anti-terrorism candidate.

The deadly train bombings in Spain that year were seen as an attempt by al-Qaeda to bring down then-Prime Minister José María Aznar, who had sent troops to Iraq. Aznar lost his reelection bid three days after the bombing.

Recent polls suggest that Iraq and terrorism are less important to most Americans than the economy. Still, terrorism experts have warned that al-Qaeda may indeed launch a major strike before the U.S. election or shortly afterward.

"The idea of testing a new president or hitting us when we're off-balance is enormously attractive to them," said Bruce Hoffman, a Georgetown University terrorism expert.

Beast_from_East
10-21-2008, 11:45 PM
That sounds kinda scary, like they are going to try something before the election.

I wonder if this Al-Qaeda endorsement of McCain will put a stop to all the attacks from the right that "Obama is the chosen candidate of terrorist like Hamas"???

Heisenberg
10-21-2008, 11:46 PM
That sounds kinda scary, like they are going to try something before the election.

I wonder if this Al-Qaeda endorsement of McCain will put a stop to all the attacks from the right that "Obama is the chosen candidate of terrorist like Hamas"???

That's the only reason I posted it. :D

Beast_from_East
10-21-2008, 11:47 PM
That's the only reason I posted it. :D
:lmao:

Sasquatch
10-22-2008, 12:36 AM
That's the only reason I posted it. :D

It is a delicious irony.

masomenos
10-22-2008, 12:51 AM
That sounds kinda scary, like they are going to try something before the election.


Scary indeed. It does seem to fall in line with what Biden was saying, which is unnerving.

BigDFan5
10-22-2008, 01:10 AM
Holy hell some of that was just like democrat talking points

burmafrd
10-22-2008, 04:38 AM
Notice that Al Queeda is using democrat talking points in most of their bilge.

BY THEIR FRIENDS YE SHALL KNOW THEM.

Hypnotoad
10-22-2008, 04:43 AM
So democrats are just like terrorists??? Great, glad that is settled.

/sarcasm

Also where do you even go to read democratic talking points? I would be very interested to know how you get your information. Something sounds shady, therefore its democratic talking points!

ologan
10-22-2008, 08:45 AM
I think these folks (Al Qaeda) have learned their lesson well from the previous election....Whoever they want,they endorse the other.

Cajuncowboy
10-22-2008, 09:02 AM
Al Queda says they are in favor of McCain knowing that will sway the american's to vote Obama. Reverse Psychology. Hammas though genuinely wants Obama to win. They know he will be sympathetic to their cause as he has been friends with other known terrorists.

Ayers, Said etc.

So this comes as no big surprise to me at all.

Proof the left, especially on this board, is some of the most gullible people on earth.

iceberg
10-22-2008, 09:21 AM
That's the only reason I posted it. :D

so, let me get this straight... our "enemy" said they support one guy, so we must hate that guy, right?

gee. i hope they'd never pull a mind game and throw people off. no one would ever think of that.

using their rhetoric either way is a fools mission. we can't stop the fight because they won't. so if you wanna dig into their propaganda, have fun.

iceberg
10-22-2008, 09:22 AM
It is a delicious irony.

too bad you'll never understand *this* irony.

ABQCOWBOY
10-22-2008, 09:27 AM
It is a delicious irony.


It's also drival. You Sas, of all people, should know that.

Heisenberg
10-22-2008, 09:28 AM
too bad you'll never understand *this* irony.

I think you're missing the point. It doesn't freaking matter who people like this endorse or say nice things about. I never said it does. I only do it to as a game of political one-upsmanship for our right leaning friends in here.

When Hamas and Farrakhan said something positive about Obama, we had 3 or 4 threads spring up in here.

It's just part of the game. I really and truly DO NOT CARE what these people have to say and why anyone would all of the sudden start caring what they say when it suits them amuses me.

BrAinPaiNt
10-22-2008, 09:29 AM
Al Queda says they are in favor of McCain knowing that will sway the american's to vote Obama. Reverse Psychology. Hammas though genuinely wants Obama to win. They know he will be sympathetic to their cause as he has been friends with other known terrorists.

Ayers, Said etc.

So this comes as no big surprise to me at all.

Proof the left, especially on this board, is some of the most gullible people on earth.

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iceberg
10-22-2008, 09:31 AM
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't freaking matter who people like this endorse or say nice things about. I never said it does. I only do it to as a game of political one-upsmanship for our right leaning friends in here.

When Hamas and Farrakhan said something positive about Obama, we had 3 or 4 threads spring up in here.

It's just part of the game. I really and truly DO NOT CARE what these people have to say and why anyone would all of the sudden start caring what they say when it suits them amuses me.

maybe i am. we'll keep talking and figure it out. but it's one "one up" it's "next bout of stupidity" on both sides. one side hits, the other hits back, oh yea, yea, but what about, oh yea how about...

endless circle jerk.

Heisenberg
10-22-2008, 09:33 AM
maybe i am. we'll keep talking and figure it out. but it's one "one up" it's "next bout of stupidity" on both sides. one side hits, the other hits back, oh yea, yea, but what about, oh yea how about...

endless circle jerk.

If we didn't do that, what would we talk about in here? You can say it's petty and stupid, but if we all agreed all the time, there wouldn't be much of a point of a forum about politics would there?

There's plenty of threads about policy and plenty of threads from crackpot sites and plenty of threads about random crap like this to go around. No one is going to change their mind about this election at this point.

Seriously, lighten up man.

Doomsday101
10-22-2008, 09:35 AM
That sounds kinda scary, like they are going to try something before the election.

I wonder if this Al-Qaeda endorsement of McCain will put a stop to all the attacks from the right that "Obama is the chosen candidate of terrorist like Hamas"???

Yeah right most Americans think McCain would not be able to handle foreign affairs. :lmao: Give me a break McCain has experience Obama has 0 experience nothing nada not one shreds of credibility when it comes to these type of matters. I’m sure Obama could organize their community beyond that they guy is a joke

Cajuncowboy
10-22-2008, 09:37 AM
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't freaking matter who people like this endorse or say nice things about. I never said it does. I only do it to as a game of political one-upsmanship for our right leaning friends in here.

When Hamas and Farrakhan said something positive about Obama, we had 3 or 4 threads spring up in here.

It's just part of the game. I really and truly DO NOT CARE what these people have to say and why anyone would all of the sudden start caring what they say when it suits them amuses me.

Wait a minute...

You are saying that Ayers, who is a close friend of Obama's, Hammas, whom has had dealings with Obama, Wright, who was his mentor and pastor for 20 years and farakhan who was "honored" by his church and who called Obama the messiah, is the same thing as this???

You are not serious are you? Please, even the most left leaning guy on this forum wouldn't say that.

Well, maybe they would.

Heisenberg
10-22-2008, 09:39 AM
Wait a minute...

You are saying that Ayers, who is a close friend of Obama's, Hammas, whom has had dealings with Obama, Wright, who was his mentor and pastor for 20 years and farakhan who was "honored" by his church and who called Obama the messiah, is the same thing as this???

You are not serious are you? Please, even the most left leaning guy on this forum wouldn't say that.

Well, maybe they would.

You're talking about associations. I'm talking about endorsements. I do understand the difference in definition between the two terms.

ConcordCowboy
10-22-2008, 09:43 AM
We Support McCain

Classic.

:laugh2:

Cajuncowboy
10-22-2008, 09:47 AM
You're talking about associations. I'm talking about endorsements. I do understand the difference in definition between the two terms.

Oh, my bad. I didn't know calling someone the messiah wasn't an endorsement.

:bang2:

iceberg
10-22-2008, 09:48 AM
If we didn't do that, what would we talk about in here? You can say it's petty and stupid, but if we all agreed all the time, there wouldn't be much of a point of a forum about politics would there?

There's plenty of threads about policy and plenty of threads from crackpot sites and plenty of threads about random crap like this to go around. No one is going to change their mind about this election at this point.

Seriously, lighten up man.

by a hundred pounds if i could. :)

i'll just not get into these threads cause they go nowhere to me. it's like an endless string of oh yeas and if it makes some happy, great. they just frustrate me, so i'm out. well, of these types of "well your side is worse than mine because of this latest tidbit" threads.

footballfanny
10-22-2008, 09:50 AM
From what I've been reading in foreign newspapers, the support is overwhelmingly for Obama. I for one would like to know why the foreign countries like Obama so much....... It seems to me that we should realize that foreign countries have never had our best interests at heart. So, why such avid support?????

Heisenberg
10-22-2008, 09:51 AM
by a hundred pounds if i could. :)

i'll just not get into these threads cause they go nowhere to me. it's like an endless string of oh yeas and if it makes some happy, great. they just frustrate me, so i'm out. well, of these types of "well your side is worse than mine because of this latest tidbit" threads.

I understand the frustration. I used to feel the same way. Now, I treat it as a game and it's much more enjoyable around here. I mean, if I want to wade into thick policy discussion, I can do that or if I want to talk polls, I can do that, etc.

These threads are just the little jabs I can throw back at those on the opposite side of the spectrum. Nothing serious is meant by them and I'm not trying to frustrate people.

BrAinPaiNt
10-22-2008, 09:58 AM
by a hundred pounds if i could. :)

i'll just not get into these threads cause they go nowhere to me. it's like an endless string of oh yeas and if it makes some happy, great. they just frustrate me, so i'm out. well, of these types of "well your side is worse than mine because of this latest tidbit" threads.

I have found posting videos or humorous replies helps ease the tension and feeling that you are wasting your time talking to knuckleheads. Most times I try to post a video relevant to the topic or post.

However since you are irked I figured this one might cheer you up some crambone.

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iceberg
10-22-2008, 10:03 AM
heh, the sad part is i remember that cartoon!

not irked. when i start to get that way i just quit replying. i didn't like my replies when i got irked, angry, and the like so i just stay out of that convo now.

ABQCOWBOY
10-22-2008, 10:24 AM
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't freaking matter who people like this endorse or say nice things about. I never said it does. I only do it to as a game of political one-upsmanship for our right leaning friends in here.

When Hamas and Farrakhan said something positive about Obama, we had 3 or 4 threads spring up in here.

It's just part of the game. I really and truly DO NOT CARE what these people have to say and why anyone would all of the sudden start caring what they say when it suits them amuses me.


There should be reports aired on threat assesments compiled by our own CIA/NSA and USSS, with regards to Obama and or McCain and possible threats related to each Candidate as President. That will probably be more indicative of who our advisaries want to see as President.

masomenos
10-22-2008, 10:24 AM
I think you're having way too much fun with the embedding feature, Brain. :laugh2:

BrAinPaiNt
10-22-2008, 10:33 AM
I think you're having way too much fun with the embedding feature, Brain. :laugh2:

Having fun and it is better than the alternative.:D

MilesAustinforMVP
10-22-2008, 11:02 AM
Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they
would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to
usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web
site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily
and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen.
John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as
McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American
soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support
McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march
of his predecessor, Bush."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/al_qaida_us_election_2

Phrozen Phil
10-22-2008, 11:04 AM
Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they
would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to
usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web
site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily
and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen.
John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as
McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American
soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support
McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march
of his predecessor, Bush."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_pr/al_qaida_us_election_2

If SNL doesn't jump on this one, they're crazy. The possibilities are endless.;)

BigDFan5
10-22-2008, 11:08 AM
So democrats are just like terrorists??? Great, glad that is settled.

/sarcasm

Also where do you even go to read democratic talking points? I would be very interested to know how you get your information. Something sounds shady, therefore its democratic talking points!

Who called democrats terrorists?


and please tell me you are kidding about the talking points? Easiest way to know the talking points is watch the news shows. You ever wonder why every Dem or Repub operative and surrogate says the same damn thing over and over just in a different wording? Its because it was part of the talking points

trickblue
10-22-2008, 11:10 AM
I have found posting videos or humorous replies helps ease the tension and feeling that you are wasting your time talking to knuckleheads. Most times I try to post a video relevant to the topic or post.

However since you are irked I figured this one might cheer you up some crambone.

Here's one from me to you...

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