Would this be a different race if Obama had told the truth?

[JBond]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.

[Wheat]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.



No, I don't think so. People aren't enthused in their support for McCain.

Plus, its hard to explain why its bad that Obama isn't asking American taxpayers to fund his campaign. He basically told the taxpayer to keep 80 something million. That's why it never stuck.

[Big Dakota]

:lmao:

[Danny White]

If McCain could have raised Obama's level of money, he would have.

Obama's lie certainly tells us something about his character, but don't think that McCain wouldn't have forgone public funding if he'd have thought he could have easily out-raised it on his own.

[Bach]

It would've been totally different if he had told the truth - about his socialist policies, his associations with Wright and Ayers, and his far left liberal agenda.

[bootsy]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.
Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.:lmao: Obama lied he should be banished to the depths of you know where for it. He should be brought to the front to be put on trial for treason and subject to punishment for this. Please people get real.

[Bach]

Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.:lmao:

:lmao:

[Bonecrusher#31]

Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.:lmao:

No kidding, keep grasping til you get the most comfortable excuse....:laugh1:

[bootsy]

No kidding, keep grasping til you get the most comfortable excuse....:laugh1:

Repeat
Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.

[WoodysGirl]

If McCain could have raised Obama's level of money, he would have.

Obama's lie certainly tells us something about his character, but don't think that McCain wouldn't have forgone public funding if he'd have thought he could have easily out-raised it on his own.
I think you make a good point.

Folks can say Obama lied. I look at it as him changing his mind. The same way I would've felt if McCain had changed his mind and forgone public financing, as well.

And when it's all said and done, does anyone really think it matters? For all the money Obama has raised and spent, the race is still as close as ever.

[Thanos68]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Bach]

I think you make a good point.

Folks can say Obama lied. I look at it as him changing his mind. The same way I would've felt if McCain had changed his mind and forgone public financing, as well.

Every lie can pretty much be passed off as changing your mind. That's a copout.

And when it's all said and done, does anyone really think it matters? For all the money Obama has raised and spent, the race is still as close as ever.

And if it weren't for his huge advantage in money it may not even be this close with Obama leading. If money didn't make a difference then no campaign would be interested in raising it. Having a 3-1 or 4-1 advantage has to make a difference.

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, I don't think so. People aren't enthused in their support for McCain.

Plus, its hard to explain why its bad that Obama isn't asking American taxpayers to fund his campaign. He basically told the taxpayer to keep 80 something million. That's why it never stuck.

At the end of the day, Tax Payers are still funding Obama's campaign IMO. As an example, I will use an experience from my own life. My wife works for a Health Care Company. An E-mail has gone out from her director that is basically asking (?) that all employees donate money, in various sums according your position, under the guise that the policies Mr. Obama supports are better for there industry. Thus, creating the illusion that your investing back into the company. Now, this money is going directly to Mr. Obama's campaign. My wife is not a Democrat and she has no intentions of voting for Senator Obama but, she will donate to his campaign. We spoke about this at length. She asked me what I thought and I told her that I did not think it was right, maybe not even legal, but that she had to do what she thought best. I told her that I would not do it but that I am not in her situation so.......

This is a true story.

[Heisenberg]

Ads are put out there so that you can push a message. The McCain campaign has changed messages so often that I don't think it'd really matter. They'd just confuse people.

The biggest difference with the money that Obama has is his ground game.

[WoodysGirl]

Every lie can pretty much be passed off as changing your mind. That's a copout.I don't think this applies to every situation. Because if McCain had the ability to raise the same amount of money, would you castigate him for doing the same as Obama?

And if it weren't for his huge advantage in money it may not even be this close with Obama leading. If money didn't make a difference then no campaign would be interested in raising it. Having a 3-1 or 4-1 advantage has to make a difference.So you think without Obama's fundraising ability, McCain would be leading? I don't know, but I think it says alot about both McCain and Obama that the race is close as it is even with Obama outraising and outspending McCain. People aren't sold on either candidate.

[ABQCOWBOY]

People aren't sold on either candidate.


Peep the swag on this. This may be the truest statment about this entire campaign, both sides.

[jimnabby]

Every lie can pretty much be passed off as changing your mind. That's a copout.

That's right. Because what we desperately need is a president who won't change his mind ("lie") even when the situation changes. We need someone who will "stay the course", pursuing a single strategy even when it becomes clear that he'd be better off changing strategies.

[numnuts23]

Wasn't it said that they had a signed agreement between the two? If thats the case, I'd have to say it's more a lie, then just changing your mind.

As far as the question goes...it would no doubt be a different race. If you honestly feel that there isn't a large group of voters that don't know the facts, don't know policies, or maybe just don't understand them and how American society works, then your badly mistaken. Plenty of people have been swayed by this mass production that the Obama camp has written. Thats the job of the election staff, and they honestly have done a great job, which has been made much easier, due to funds that far exceed any election in the past.

Even the most devote Obama supporter should be able to see that. I guess Obama should have "spread the wealth" to McCain's camp - I mean that is what America is all about, right? ;)

[Bach]

That's right. Because what we desperately need is a president who won't change his mind ("lie") even when the situation changes. We need someone who will "stay the course", pursuing a single strategy even when it becomes clear that he'd be better off changing strategies.

Nice try at the spin.

Obama flat out lied.

[bootsy]

Nice try at the spin.

Obama flat out lied.
Will you put him on trial.

[Phrozen Phil]

Nice try at the spin.

Obama flat out lied.

Interesting view, but I think you're in the minority. Obama weighed his options and made a sound strategic political decision. Do keep in mind that W lied about so many things connected to the Iraq war that it's tough to keep track. Having said that, I think you should continue to pursue your obsession with htis issue and leave the real issues to the rest. Please, don't quit. :p:

[Sasquatch]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?


Is changing your mind the same as lying?

[Bach]

Interesting view, but I think you're in the minority. Obama weighed his options and made a sound strategic political decision.

Yeah, he lied.

Do keep in mind that W lied about so many things connected to the Iraq war that it's tough to keep track. Having said that, I think you should continue to pursue your obsession with htis issue and leave the real issues to the rest. Please, don't quit. :p:

Interesting. I don't think Bush is running this year. But hey, it's always a good way to change the subject.

[bootsy]

Yeah, he lied.


He should be brought up on charges immediately I tell you.

[Bach]

He should be brought up on charges immediately I tell you.

fine with me.

[Sasquatch]

Folks can say Obama lied. I look at it as him changing his mind.

At this point in the game, "flip-flopping" just doesn't have the necessary resonance that "lying" does.

[bootsy]

fine with me.
I know. You wouldn't have it any other way.:bang2:

[sacase]

Its hard to say if his decision to forgo public financing was a lie. If he never had any intention to take public money then it was a lie. If he realized that he had a better chance, then he changed his mind about it so he could win.

[jimnabby]

Its hard to say if his decision to forgo public financing was a lie. If he never had any intention to take public money then it was a lie.

Exactly. But why would he have said it if he didn't intend (at the time) to do it? I don't see that there was anything in it for him to lie at that time.

If he realized that he had a better chance, then he changed his mind about it so he could win.

:hammer:

[Danny White]

And when it's all said and done, does anyone really think it matters? For all the money Obama has raised and spent, the race is still as close as ever.

I disagree with you there. The money definitely matters.

Keep in mind that elections really come down to state-by-state battles.

Obama's money has allowed him to compete in many "red" states that he wouldn't have otherwise have been able to dedicate resources to. And it's allowed him to bombard purple (half red half blue) states and soft blue states to prevent McCain from being able to get any traction there. McCain's relative lack of money has been a major factor in him having to narrow his focus and his resources in a very small number of states. If he had the money, he'd still be competing in Michigan.

This election will come down to the half-dozen or so swing states that it always does, and Obama's money is going to be a major factor in winning those states if that is indeed what he does.

[WoodysGirl]

I disagree with you there. The money definitely matters.

Keep in mind that elections really come down to state-by-state battles.

Obama's money has allowed him to compete in many "red" states that he wouldn't have otherwise have been able to dedicate resources to. And it's allowed him to bombard purple (half red half blue) states and soft blue states to prevent McCain from being able to get any traction there. McCain's relative lack of money has been a major factor in him having to narrow his focus and his resources in a very small number of states. If he had the money, he'd still be competing in Michigan.

This election will come down to the half-dozen or so swing states that it always does, and Obama's money is going to be a major factor in winning those states if that is indeed what he does.From that perspective, the money matters argument makes alot more sense. So I'm willing to defer on that point.

But I do still think it says alot that even tho Obama has done all of that, the race is still pretty tight and will stay that way until Nov. 5.

[ABQCOWBOY]

From that perspective, the money matters argument makes alot more sense. So I'm willing to defer on that point.

But I do still think it says alot that even tho Obama has done all of that, the race is still pretty tight and will stay that way until Nov. 5.


It's really hard to know how tight this race is. Most of the polls would have you believe that it is not. I just don't know.

[WoodysGirl]

It's really hard to know how tight this race is. Most of the polls would have you believe that it is not. I just don't know.
Truthfully, I don't even read all the poll threads posted. One says this. One says that. *shrugs*

What I see just from my own observations is that there is no clear runaway winner. Most have Obama leading, but it's never by a huge margin. I do think McCain lost some ground in recent weeks, but not by enough to think he's completely out of it.

[iceberg]

No kidding, keep grasping til you get the most comfortable excuse....:laugh1:

you mean like mccains brother abusing a 911 call? yea, glad only 1 sides giggles and stammers for anything at all.

[JRid21]

Is changing your mind the same as lying?

Did he inform McCain of changing his mind?

[Bach]

I know. You wouldn't have it any other way.:bang2:

You're the one that went out in left field and mentioned trials and charges so not try and blame that on me.

[sacase]

Exactly. But why would he have said it if he didn't intend (at the time) to do it? I don't see that there was anything in it for him to lie at that time.



:hammer:

Because it sounds good. Because people like to hear that stuff.

[Trouble]

Ads are put out there so that you can push a message.


Ad's push product's.

And "Obama" & the "Pet Rock" have proven that mllions of Americans will buy anything if it's packaged and advertised heavily.

The idea that you can market & merchandise a candidate for President like a cheep breakfast cereal, I believe, is, the ultimate indignity to the democratic process.



:starspin

[iceberg]

Ad's push product's.

And "Obama" & the "Pet Rock" have proven that mllions of Americans will buy anything if it's packaged and advertised heavily.

The idea that you can market & merchandise a candidate for President like a cheep breakfast cereal, I believe, is, the ultimate indignity to the democratic process.

:starspin

suddenly i want a nice mood ring. :)

[bootsy]

You're the one that went out in left field and mentioned trials and charges so not try and blame that on me.
Like I said, you act as if Obama is the first politician to do this. Ranting about he lied, he lied. Just put him up on trial then. It's ridiculous.

[Trouble]

Here are a few of the many Obama lies:

(1)

OBAMA: I was a professor of law.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

(2)

OBAMA: I was a constitutional lawyer.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

(3)

OBAMA: Without me, there would be no Ethics Bill.

TRUTH: No, you didn't write it, introduce it, change or create the Ethics Bill.

(4)

OBAMA: The Ethics Bill was hard to pass.

TRUTH: No, it only took 14 days from start to finish.

(5)

OBAMA: I passed over 900 Bills in the State Senate.

TRUTH: No, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

(6)

OBAMA: My uncle liberated Auschwitz in WWII.

TRUTH: No, The Russian army did all the liberating of Auschwitz in WWII.

(6)

OBAMA: My name Barrack Obama is African Swahili.

TRUTH: No, your name is Arabic. "Baraka' ( from which Barrack came), means "Blessed" in Arabic. Hussein & Obama are also Arabic.

(7)

OBAMA: My school in Indonesia was a christain school.

TRUTH: No, according to your book you were registered as a Muslim there, and got into trouble during Koranic studies for making faces.

(8)

OBAMA: My grandmother in Africa has always been a christian.

TRUTH: In her own interview, she said, "I still do my Salat prayers every morning at 5:00am." She was aslo 1 of 14 wives to you Grandfather.

(9)

OBAMA: My Economics Bill will help America.

TRUTH: No, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, even you voted against your own bill.

(10)

OBAMA: Beacuse I lived in Indonesia, I have more foreign experience.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You lived there from the ages of 6-10 and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn other than how to study the Koran and watch cartoons





:starspin

[silverbear]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.

Did he lie, or did he CHANGE HIS MIND??

But to answer your question, no, the race would not be much different, because it's been about the economy, which (whether it's fair or not) the voters are blaming on the Republicans), and it has been about Dubya's deep unpopularity... obviously both of these issues are unconnected to Barack's changing his mind on public financing...

[Bach]

Like I said, you act as if Obama is the first politician to do this. Ranting about he lied, he lied. Just put him up on trial then. It's ridiculous.

I just stated a fact.

[masomenos]

Here are a few of the many Obama lies:

(1)

OBAMA: I was a professor of law.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

(2)

OBAMA: I was a constitutional lawyer.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

(3)

OBAMA: Without me, there would be no Ethics Bill.

TRUTH: No, you didn't write it, introduce it, change or create the Ethics Bill.

(4)

OBAMA: The Ethics Bill was hard to pass.

TRUTH: No, it only took 14 days from start to finish.

(5)

OBAMA: I passed over 900 Bills in the State Senate.

TRUTH: No, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

(6)

OBAMA: My uncle liberated Auschwitz in WWII.

TRUTH: No, The Russian army did all the liberating of Auschwitz in WWII.

(6)

OBAMA: My name Barrack Obama is African Swahili.

TRUTH: No, your name is Arabic. "Baraka' ( from which Barrack came), means "Blessed" in Arabic. Hussein & Obama are also Arabic.

(7)

OBAMA: My school in Indonesia was a christain school.

TRUTH: No, according to your book you were registered as a Muslim there, and got into trouble during Koranic studies for making faces.

(8)

OBAMA: My grandmother in Africa has always been a christian.

TRUTH: In her own interview, she said, "I still do my Salat prayers every morning at 5:00am." She was aslo 1 of 14 wives to you Grandfather.

(9)

OBAMA: My Economics Bill will help America.

TRUTH: No, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, even you voted against your own bill.

(10)

OBAMA: Beacuse I lived in Indonesia, I have more foreign experience.

TRUTH: Not exactly. You lived there from the ages of 6-10 and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn other than how to study the Koran and watch cartoons





:starspin

For those interested in the truth, not the truth of an email forward, feel free to click this link http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

also, one that I don't think is addressed in that link...the "Auschwitz lie", his uncle actually helped liberate Buchenwald. Some lie.

[Danny White]

Did he lie, or did he CHANGE HIS MIND??


He didn't "lie" so much as he "broke his pledge."

I don't think he set out to flipflop on this... no one has ever foregone the public funding for the general before because no one could raise enough money to make it worthwhile.

So when he made the pledge/promise, we was probably fully intending to honor it. Then, when he realized that he could far exceed the public limit, he "changed his mind."

I don't think anyone's surprised he did it. He just had the ethical misfortune of having made a pledge to the contrary.

[iceberg]

Did he lie, or did he CHANGE HIS MIND??

did bush lie about WMD or change his mind?

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.

http://deaconlight.com/music/recordcovers/1983/stray-cats-rant-n-rave.jpg

[masomenos]

did bush lie about WMD or change his mind?

I think that's a fair comparison, in both cases it comes down to whether or not there was deliberate deception. I would say that there wasn't in Obama's case and I don't think there was with Bush either. You can change your mind on something or be wrong without lying.

[Sasquatch]

He didn't "lie" so much as he "broke his pledge."

I don't think he set out to flipflop on this... no one has ever foregone the public funding for the general before because no one could raise enough money to make it worthwhile.

So when he made the pledge/promise, we was probably fully intending to honor it. Then, when he realized that he could far exceed the public limit, he "changed his mind."

I don't think anyone's surprised he did it. He just had the ethical misfortune of having made a pledge to the contrary.

I think what this tells us is that Obama is not the wide-eyed, naive political idealist that many try to portray him as. He's not above breaking his word or changing his mind for political expediency.

[silverbear]

He didn't "lie" so much as he "broke his pledge."

I don't think he set out to flipflop on this... no one has ever foregone the public funding for the general before because no one could raise enough money to make it worthwhile.

So when he made the pledge/promise, we was probably fully intending to honor it. Then, when he realized that he could far exceed the public limit, he "changed his mind."

I don't think anyone's surprised he did it. He just had the ethical misfortune of having made a pledge to the contrary.

A fair and intelligent take on this one... well said...

[silverbear]

did bush lie about WMD or change his mind?

Oh, he lied... that's been pretty well established... that's what the Brits meant in the Downing Street Memo when they said that intelligence had been "fixed" around an agenda...

Remember, you and me were never supposed to see that memo, meaning it carries a candor you rarely see...

[silverbear]

I think that's a fair comparison, in both cases it comes down to whether or not there was deliberate deception. I would say that there wasn't in Obama's case and I don't think there was with Bush either. You can change your mind on something or be wrong without lying.

It's true that there's a possiblity that Dubya was honestly wrong, but we have evidence in the form of the Downing Street Memo, compelling evidence that strongly suggests there was a willful misrepresentation made by his administration, a deliberate attempt to deceive us into backing his agenda...

[sacase]

Oh, he lied... that's been pretty well established... that's what the Brits meant in the Downing Street Memo when they said that intelligence had been "fixed" around an agenda...

Remember, you and me were never supposed to see that memo, meaning it carries a candor you rarely see...

Bush did not lie, there is no way to put that much intelligence into the community for the purpose of a lie. I read tons of message traffing leading up to the war and all of it was pointing to WMD in Iraq. We had bad sources due to the clinton years of cutting back on HUMINT sources. Plus Saddam had a good deception plan going.

[masomenos]

It's true that there's a possiblity that Dubya was honestly wrong, but we have evidence in the form of the Downing Street Memo, compelling evidence that strongly suggests there was a willful misrepresentation made by his administration, a deliberate attempt to deceive us into backing his agenda...

It is a possibility and maybe I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt to the guy I voted for in my belief that Bush made a mistake. Perhaps I'm naive, but I'm willing to chalk it up to faulty intelligence. I fully supported the war when we began but, in hindsight, I wish I hadn't. I think that, while technically justified, it was the wrong time to begin a two front war and it's something that were paying now, both in lives and monetarily. How will this look 20 years from now? That is to be seen and it is what will, largely, define the Bush presidency. I know that he takes a lot of flack right now but imagine if, in the future, we see a stable Middle East and we're able to understand how the bailout saved us from another depression. I think those things would drastically alter the way we view the Bush presidency.

[masomenos]

Bush did not lie, there is no way to put that much intelligence into the community for the purpose of a lie. I read tons of message traffing leading up to the war and all of it was pointing to WMD in Iraq. We had bad sources due to the clinton years of cutting back on HUMINT sources. Plus Saddam had a good deception plan going.

That he did. In fact, I believe before his execution he stated that Iraq's WMD program has been a ruse used to ward off any attacks from Iran. He just happened to sucker us too.

[MetalHead]

That he did. In fact, I believe before his execution he stated that Iraq's WMD program has been a ruse used to ward off any attacks from Iran. He just happened to sucker us too.

Who is George Tenet?

[Vintage]

You mean a politician lied... and did what was best for his campaign?

I'm shocked. Shocked.

[masomenos]

Who is George Tenet?

The man who endorsed faulty intelligence?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who is George Tenet?

He was the Director of the CIA under Bill Clinton and GW in his first term.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Every lie can pretty much be passed off as changing your mind. That's a copout.



And if it weren't for his huge advantage in money it may not even be this close with Obama leading. If money didn't make a difference then no campaign would be interested in raising it. Having a 3-1 or 4-1 advantage has to make a difference.

I agree but it is only a lie if he never intended to raise funds on his own. In any event, even if it were a lie, if McCain was dumb enough to fall for it, can you really trust him to be Pres?

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's true that there's a possiblity that Dubya was honestly wrong, but we have evidence in the form of the Downing Street Memo, compelling evidence that strongly suggests there was a willful misrepresentation made by his administration, a deliberate attempt to deceive us into backing his agenda...


It is also prudent to understand that British MI6 intelligence was the primary basis on which many of Tenents reports were compiled. A the time, the US was heavily reliant on British Intelligence and the Isreali Mossad for that part of the world. Could the Downing Street Memos be real? Sure, they could be real. I, for one, believe the Invasion of Iraq took place for other reasons, as you well know.

However, many also believe that the Downing Street Memos were created to offset the fact that the British Government feed us faulty intelligence.

Who can say which is correct?

[junk]

At the end of the day, Tax Payers are still funding Obama's campaign IMO. As an example, I will use an experience from my own life. My wife works for a Health Care Company. An E-mail has gone out from her director that is basically asking (?) that all employees donate money, in various sums according your position, under the guise that the policies Mr. Obama supports are better for there industry. Thus, creating the illusion that your investing back into the company. Now, this money is going directly to Mr. Obama's campaign. My wife is not a Democrat and she has no intentions of voting for Senator Obama but, she will donate to his campaign. We spoke about this at length. She asked me what I thought and I told her that I did not think it was right, maybe not even legal, but that she had to do what she thought best. I told her that I would not do it but that I am not in her situation so.......

This is a true story.

Why are you surprised by this? Businesses do this all the time and it certainly isn't limited to Obama.

Although corporations cannot directly contribute to a political candidate, they can support a political action commitee (PAC) which can pool employee's financial resources to support federal and state candidates who would benefit their company long term.

They are typically named "Good Government Fund" or something along those lines. Google it.

Here's the top 50 from 2006. I'll pretty much guarantee you that companies like Lockheed, GD and Boeing are not going to support a Democratic candidate.

[SuspectCorner]

you mean like mccains brother abusing a 911 call? yea, glad only 1 sides giggles and stammers for anything at all.

That story flew by me too. And after the election is over I might even bother to read it. It's irrelevent to most voters as they will realize McCains brother isn't running for anything. I have brothers too and love them both dearly. But... even though we sprang from the same gene pool - we're as different as night and day. (They're both staunch Republicans - but I forgive them. Ain't I magnanimous?)

[ThaBigP]

Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.:lmao: Obama lied he should be banished to the depths of you know where for it. He should be brought to the front to be put on trial for treason and subject to punishment for this. Please people get real.

You paint a very stark picture...where our only two recourses when a public official out-and-out lies are a) public execution, or b) vote them to the highest office in the land. Illegal fundrasing by Obama? You'd probably give the same pre-fab answer..."what? OK, he took foreign contributions. Let's draw and quarter him right now in the town square! No? Then shut up, it's OK".

[JBond]

What I object to is the editorializing. They love to explain away anything that looks poor for Obama particularly his relationships.

[Angus]

If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.

Yes, because then Obama would have kept his word of honor and his perfidious nature would not be so evident. That he is a dishonorable man would not be so evident.

As it is, the McCain people can show that he did not keep his solemn word that he would take money for the campaign from only one source and not others. Because of that broken promise, they have proof that his new promise to take money from (to tax) only "the rich" cannot be trusted.

If McCain wins, it will be because the people have become convinced that Obama cannot be trusted.

:)

[Beast_from_East]

I am still waiting for somebody to explain to me why Obama is a Socialist for wanting to go back to the Clinton tax rates, but McCain is not a Socialist for opposing the Bush tax cuts as "benefiting the wealthy" before he decided to run for President.

If Obama is a lier, then McCain is a hypocrite.

[Beast_from_East]

That's right. Because what we desperately need is a president who won't change his mind ("lie") even when the situation changes. We need someone who will "stay the course", pursuing a single strategy even when it becomes clear that he'd be better off changing strategies.

What do you call McCain voting AGAINST the Bush tax cuts as "benefiting the wealthy" and then being in favor of the tax cuts when he decided to run for President.

If Obama is a Socialist for wanting to roll back the tax rates to the Clinton era and McCain was against the Bush tax cuts also and wanted to stay with the Clinton rates...............then doesnt that make McCain a Socialist???

If changing your mind is lying, then McCain is either a Socialist or a Lier.

[silverbear]

It is a possibility and maybe I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt to the guy I voted for in my belief that Bush made a mistake.

If so, that would make you human... and possessed of an unusual tendency toward self-examination...

I fully supported the war when we began but, in hindsight, I wish I hadn't.

Me too, but apparently for slightly different reasons than yours...

[Viper]

Bottom line, if McCain had any ideas, if he could communicate those ideas so that the general public believed in him he wouldn't have to worry about money. Conservatives hate opening their wallets to someone they don't believe in.