Neighbors Outraged By 'Hanging Palin'

[CowboyPrincess]

This is sooooo wrong


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KTLA News

October 27, 2008

WEST HOLLYWOOD -- Is it a Hollywood decoration or a sick political statement?

Either way, some people in West Hollywood say a mannequin resembling Sarah Palin hanging from a noose is simply bad taste.

The mannequin is complete with glasses, a beehive wig and a red business suit.

People are stopping to take pictures of the effigy, and tour buses have included the display on their daily routes.

The home also has an effigy of Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, popping out of a chimney surrounded by fake flames.

Neighbors say whether it's Halloween or not, the display has got to go.

"I know it's Halloween, but when you're using a vice presidential candidate with a noose around her neck, that to me has gone too far," a man identified only as "George" says.

"Whether I'm Republican or Democrat, it's not about that. It's just wrong."

Some concerned callers have reported the display as a hate crime so a special hate crime unit is investigating, West Hollywood Sheriff Sgt. Kristin Aloma said

The creator of the display, Chad Michael Morrisette says the mannequin may be unacceptable any other month, but he says it's Halloween and that makes it okay.

"It should be seen as art and it should be seen within the month of October. It's time to be scary and spooky," Morrisette said.

"I know if we had done it with Barack Obama, people would've probably thrown things through our windows," Morrisette said.

"The image of a hanged black man is a lot more intense than the image of a hanged white woman -- for our country -- in the history of our country."

Some neighbors say the mannequin is just funny and shouldn't be taken so seriously. "This is West Hollywood, after all," he said.

"It was kind of cruel, but it made me laugh, too. What can I say?"

The Republican vice presidential candidate is not considered to be a friend of the gay community and has been the subject of rumors throughout West Hollywood in recent days.

First, there was word the city was going to ban Sarah Palin drag queens at its upcoming costumed street party, which draws some 500,000 people annually.

But, that rumor turned out to be false.

The 21st annual Halloween Carnaval will be held from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m. Friday along Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood. The street will be closed for the event.

[trickblue]

It's art... what's the big deal... ;)

I am free to do the same thing with Obama and there would be no problem...

Oh wait... maybe not...

[JRid21]

I posted this earlier: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2378742&postcount=19


Anyone wanna help start a political humor thread? We could post videos and stuff in it. Seriously all this hating crap is getting out of hand and a good laugh never hurt anyone. I've got some pretty good videos if anyone wants to start one

[Bach]

"I know if we had done it with Barack Obama, people would've probably thrown things through our windows," Morrisette said.

"The image of a hanged black man is a lot more intense than the image of a hanged white woman -- for our country -- in the history of our country."

I bet he's actually serious.

[jrumann59]

Imagine the uproar if someone displayed Obama surrounded by flames or engulfed in flames.

[CowboyPrincess]

yeah TB.. You hang the democratic candidate for President and it would be called a hate crime... How about she is a woman running for VP. Would that be called a hate crime as well...

or maybe a sex crime? ;)

[trickblue]

yeah TB.. You hang the democratic candidate for President and it would be called a hate crime... How about she is a woman running for VP. Would that be called a hate crime as well...

or maybe a sex crime? ;)

I'll hang me some bad candidate... Al Gore... step forward... John McCain... don't like you... Jimmy Carter... too late... I blame me...

I'll be damned if Palin gets the business... oh wait...

Sarah... SEE ME... QUICKLY...

[CowboyPrincess]

I'll hang me some bad candidate... Al Gore... step forward... John McCain... don't like you... Jimmy Carter... too late... I blame me...

I'll be damned if Palin gets the business... oh wait...

Sarah... SEE ME... QUICKLY...

You forgot Ross Parrot :D John Kerry and Hillary

[VCDefectors]

Well, perhaps it is someone's interpretation of Palin after the Couric interview. It's hard to say. But I don't think the mannequin looks like her at all. Maybe something like this would fit closer:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2812194565_8df6d37891.jpg

[hairic]

It's probably just a reaction to the hanging scarecrow with a NObama/****** sign attached to it. The story's about a week old and wasn't important enough to me to bookmark, though (I've long accepted that most people's moral development ceases at preconventional levels, no need to collect evidence). So no link to the picziez.

[trickblue]

Well, perhaps it is someone's interpretation of Palin after the Couric interview. It's hard to say. But I don't think the mannequin looks like her at all. Maybe something like this would fit closer:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2812194565_8df6d37891.jpg

Yeah... innocent crime... :rolleyes:

[Sasquatch]

Just wait until Barack Hussein Obama wins the presidency. Then the real purge will begin. ;)

[Maikeru-sama]

Whoever hung that is plain stupid and ignorant.

However, even though it is disgusting, it is odd to not be able to see the difference between this and someone hanging one of a Black person, given our nation's past.

[Big Dakota]

I heard McCain said she was "Hung".

[jrumann59]

Whoever hung that is plain stupid and ignorant.

However, even though it is disgusting, it is odd to not be able to see the difference between this and someone hanging one of a Black person, given our nation's past.


Nice equivocating. The US is only racist in 2 colors the rest evidently can go to hell, crimes were never perpetrated against asians, native americans, hispanics, just blacks pushing back against whites and whites pushing on blacks. The sad part is no one today was alive during slavery but yet they all act like it was 10 years ago for them. Get over it every country has its skeletons, ask Canada about their genocide to Natives in the last 30-50 years.

[Maikeru-sama]

Nice equivocating. The US is only racist in 2 colors the rest evidently can go to hell, crimes were never perpetrated against asians, native americans, hispanics, just blacks pushing back against whites and whites pushing on blacks. The sad part is no one today was alive during slavery but yet they all act like it was 10 years ago for them. Get over it every country has its skeletons, ask Canada about their genocide to Natives in the last 30-50 years.

Im glad you got that off your chest.

[CowboyPrincess]

I'm Apache and Comanche... I'm pretty sure some of my ancestors were beaten, killed, enslaved, etc..

[trickblue]

Just wait until Barack Hussein Obama wins the presidency. Then the real purge will begin. ;)

Can you retire your thesaurus at that point?

We all know what you mean, but you are really annoying in that respect...

[JRid21]

Can you retire your thesaurus at that point?

We all know what you mean, but you are really annoying in that respect...



:lmao2::lmao:

[Maikeru-sama]

Again, both acts are disgusting, but a black doll hanging from a rope has a more historical significance.

Also, it has nothing to do with slavery. The so called "Lynching Era" was roughly around the 1890s to around the 1940s.

That wasn't that long ago. There are definately people still alive that experienced that.

Also, I don't need to know you have indian ancestry, that is irrelevant to the discussion.

[jrumann59]

Im glad you got that off your chest.

My point being everyone is racist, bringing it up doesn't make it go away, on the contrary I think it stokes the fire a little more. What you need to do is just teach people to keep their mouths shut if they have nothing nice to say, oops can't do that Golden rule and the whole separation of church and state myth,otherwise there would be no "racism".

[jrumann59]

Again, both acts are disgusting, but a black doll hanging from a rope has a more historical significance.

Also, it has nothing to do with slavery. The so called "Lynching Era" was roughly around the 1890s to around the 1940s.

That wasn't that long ago. There are definately people still alive that experienced that.

Also, I don't need to know you have indian ancestry, that is irrelevant to the discussion.
And their is violence against women everyday I guess they aren't a protected class.

[Maikeru-sama]

My point being everyone is racist, bringing it up doesn't make it go away, on the contrary I think it stokes the fire a little more. What you need to do is just teach people to keep their mouths shut if they have nothing nice to say, oops can't do that Golden rule and the whole separation of church and state myth,otherwise there would be no "racism".

I didn't bring it up. I simply offered my opinion about the matter after it had already been brought up. That's still allowed in the PZ isn't it?


"I know if we had done it with Barack Obama, people would've probably thrown things through our windows," Morrisette said.

"The image of a hanged black man is a lot more intense than the image of a hanged white woman -- for our country -- in the history of our country."

[Maikeru-sama]

And their is violence against women everyday I guess they aren't a protected class.

Again, where did I say they don't need to be protected?

Also, I am anti-hate crimes laws.

Im simply stating that a black doll with a rope around it hanging has more historical significance than one of a white female doll.

[bbgun]

http://www.rachellucas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/art-west-hollywood.jpg

[ScipioCowboy]

Again, where did I say they don't need to be protected?

Also, I am anti-hate crimes laws.

Im simply stating that a black doll with a rope around it hanging has more historical significance than one of a white female doll.

Because women have never faced any sort of discrimination in this country?:p:

[jrumann59]

He is an idiot. But he is a perpetuator of the racial tension in the country, because he thinks that way.

My point being is black and whites distaste for each other is institutionalized by both cultures with it being reinforced through the news.

[jrumann59]

Again, where did I say they don't need to be protected?

Also, I am anti-hate crimes laws.

Im simply stating that a black doll with a rope around it hanging has more historical significance than one of a white female doll.


I am of the mind set that all violent crimes are hate crimes but evidently some legislators thought adding subjective criteria to a crime to make it more heinous therefore more punishable will get them 72 virgins, or out of purgatory when they die.

[Maikeru-sama]

He is an idiot. But he is a perpetuator of the racial tension in the country, because he thinks that way.

My point being is black and whites distaste for each other is institutionalized by both cultures with it being reinforced through the news.

And there you have it.

Good night.

[CowboyPrincess]

Again, where did I say they don't need to be protected?

Also, I am anti-hate crimes laws.

Im simply stating that a black doll with a rope around it hanging has more historical significance than one of a white female doll.

Know whats odd... When someone talks about hanging or lynching, I don't think blacks.. I think horse thieves, murderers, treason, etc. It's not until people talk about it being a black thing that I think that. My world has always been colorblind.. I'm indian and my children that I adopted are half hispanic. My best friend is black/hispanic. ANd the sad thing is that I don't feel guilty about what happened decades upon decades before I was born... I get angry that racism gets pushed in my face and getting called a racist or bigot... I'm personally sick of it getting shoved down my throat all the time when I don't practice racism.

When I posted the hanging thread.. it wasn't a black thing vs white thing in my mind... it was a stupid stupid prank by someone that has no respect for the political system and in my eyes, made what could be a threat to someone that was willing to put everything on the line for their sorry butt.

Let me live in my colorblind world please

[VCDefectors]

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/rodney_king.jpg

[JRid21]

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/500/rodney_king.jpg


Apparently not
Give peace a chance?

[trickblue]

Again, both acts are disgusting, but a black doll hanging from a rope has a more historical significance.

Also, it has nothing to do with slavery. The so called "Lynching Era" was roughly around the 1890s to around the 1940s.

That wasn't that long ago. There are definately people still alive that experienced that.

Also, I don't need to know you have indian ancestry, that is irrelevant to the discussion.

At this point aren't BOTH disgusting?

The original KKK was a democratic entity that set out to lynch Republicans and blacks...

Google it...

[JRid21]

At this point aren't BOTH disgusting?

The original KKK was a democratic entity that set out to lynch Republicans and blacks...

Google it...


Robert Byrd was a KKK member :rolleyes:

[Cajuncowboy]

Whoever hung that is plain stupid and ignorant.

However, even though it is disgusting, it is odd to not be able to see the difference between this and someone hanging one of a Black person, given our nation's past.

Are you freakin' serious?

What are you saying? That there IS a difference? That hanging Obama in effigy is worse than hanging Palin in effigy?

There is NO difference. They are both beyond disgusting.

Our nation's past is the past.

We have a black candidate for President now in case you haven't noticed.

[trickblue]

Robert Byrd was a KKK member :rolleyes:

But he gets a pass...

The double standard is AMAZING...

[Sasquatch]

Can you retire your thesaurus at that point?

We all know what you mean, but you are really annoying in that respect...

You betcha. :p:

But, seriously, what word(s) confused you in my last post?

Strange that you would object to this particular post. And strange (not so, really) that the rightists who routinely complain about my intellectual pretentiousness never call out my counterparts who are just as, if not more, academic in their speech than me.

[Cajuncowboy]

Let me live in my colorblind world please

I don't think he has that ability.

Trust me.

This is the guy who thinks "Rush" Hour is a racist thing.

[VCDefectors]

As my dad always used to say:

"Leave the race issues to the NASCAR people".

[trickblue]

You betcha. :p:

But, seriously, what word(s) confused you in my last post?

None of them...

I am one of those southern dummies you love to hate...

I come from a family with a doctorate, several masters and even more bachelor degrees... (three of us)...

I realize we aren't all Ivy league... but I'll take my chances in regards to common sense...

If you want to go with the "high vocabulary"... I can comply...

On the other hand... you are a smart guy... why not just talk with the rest of us...

[Sasquatch]

None of them...

I am one of those southern dummies you love to hate...

I come from a family with a doctorate, several masters and even more bachelor degrees... (three of us)...

I realize we aren't all Ivy league... but I'll take my chances in regards to common sense...

If you want to go with the "high vocabulary"... I can comply...

On the other hand... you are a smart guy... why not just talk with the rest of us...

I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. :D

I don't hate dumb southerners not do I think all southerners are stupid.

But I do think that a degree from Princeton is more prestigious than one from Rice.

I'm confident that outside this board most people would agree with that.

[Phrozen Phil]

Nice equivocating. The US is only racist in 2 colors the rest evidently can go to hell, crimes were never perpetrated against asians, native americans, hispanics, just blacks pushing back against whites and whites pushing on blacks. The sad part is no one today was alive during slavery but yet they all act like it was 10 years ago for them. Get over it every country has its skeletons, ask Canada about their genocide to Natives in the last 30-50 years.

The treatment of aboriginal people in Canada, particularly the residential schools issue is a pretty shameful issue in our history, as was the incarceration of Japanese families during World War 2.

BTW, I saw the story on this mannequin thing earlier. At the very least, it's in poor taste. It could be construed to be more. I don't like it at all.

[trickblue]

I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. :D

I don't hate dumb southerners not do I think all southerners are stupid.

But I do think that a degree from Princeton is more prestigious than one from Rice.

I'm confident that outside this board most people would agree with that.

And your Northeastern Bias shines through...

Dude... you are the single biggest elitist on this board... bar NONE...

Now, you may wear that as a badge of courage... many of us don't...

[Phrozen Phil]

I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. :D

I don't hate dumb southerners not do I think all southerners are stupid.

But I do think that a degree from Princeton is more prestigious than one from Rice.

I'm confident that outside this board most people would agree with that.

I got my degrees from really good, snooty Canadian Universities. I'll continue look down on all of you Colonials in my typical condescending fashion.:cool:

[CowboyPrincess]

I got my degrees from really good, snooty Canadian Universities. I'll continue look down on all of you Colonials in my typical condescending fashion.:cool:

I went to Oregon.. Do I get to be snooty or am I the snooted on?

[SuspectCorner]

I don't know what you're talking about, honestly. :D

I don't hate dumb southerners not do I think all southerners are stupid.

But I do think that a degree from Princeton is more prestigious than one from Rice.

I'm confident that outside this board most people would agree with that.

Princeton has about 130 years on Rice University. You're a smart cookie if you can get into Harvard Of The South.

Oh... and their baseball program would smoke any Ivy League team. :D

[trickblue]

Princeton has about 130 years on Rice University. You're a smart cookie if you can get into Harvard Of The South.

Oh... and their baseball program would smoke any Ivy League team. :D

and Rice... well not so much...

SuspectCorner... pratel give us YOUR education?

[SuspectCorner]

and Rice... well not so much...

SuspectCorner... pratel give us YOUR education?

Sure.. soon as I'm done using it. So remind me - when was the last time Princeton won a baseball national championship?

[DaBoys4Life]

It's art... what's the big deal... ;)

I am free to do the same thing with Obama and there would be no problem...

Oh wait... maybe not...

:muttley:

[DaBoys4Life]

Are you freakin' serious?

What are you saying? That there IS a difference? That hanging Obama in effigy is worse than hanging Palin in effigy?

There is NO difference. They are both beyond disgusting.

Our nation's past is the past.

We have a black candidate for President now in case you haven't noticed.

I'd have to disagree with you on this....even though it's the past it shouldn't be swept under the rug. There is a big difference between a white person being hung and a black being hung. If you consider the way blacks used to be treated and strung up and hung then it's a clear as day....whether you want to accept that fact or not is something completely different.


Nice equivocating. The US is only racist in 2 colors the rest evidently can go to hell, crimes were never perpetrated against asians, native americans, hispanics, just blacks pushing back against whites and whites pushing on blacks. The sad part is no one today was alive during slavery but yet they all act like it was 10 years ago for them. Get over it every country has its skeletons, ask Canada about their genocide to Natives in the last 30-50 years.

I think your statement is off base and really ridiculous just because something doesn't effect us today doesn't mean it's not something that still haunts us nor is it something we can turn a blind eye to. It is something that we have to live with and something we will have to overcome. You're right racism isn't just blacks on whites however, a lot of stuff that happens is because of the stuff from the past. Like it makes no sense to me why things are they way they are and I really can't put it into words how these things are messed up however it's pretty easy to say something when you're on the other side of the fence.


Know whats odd... When someone talks about hanging or lynching, I don't think blacks.. I think horse thieves, murderers, treason, etc. It's not until people talk about it being a black thing that I think that. My world has always been colorblind.. I'm indian and my children that I adopted are half hispanic. My best friend is black/hispanic. ANd the sad thing is that I don't feel guilty about what happened decades upon decades before I was born... I get angry that racism gets pushed in my face and getting called a racist or bigot... I'm personally sick of it getting shoved down my throat all the time when I don't practice racism.

When I posted the hanging thread.. it wasn't a black thing vs white thing in my mind... it was a stupid stupid prank by someone that has no respect for the political system and in my eyes, made what could be a threat to someone that was willing to put everything on the line for their sorry butt.

Let me live in my colorblind world please

this is true however you have to understand the nature of the world we live in even though you don't mean any harm by the thread. People will still find ways to get upset and find something obscene in it. All it takes is black + hanging and people will get upset. Also factor in the civil rights movement was to far off a lot of that hatred that people grew up with is still burning in their hearts and stuff.....Just out of curiosity why did you feel the need to state your best friend was black and hispanic ?

[DaBoys4Life]

And their is violence against women everyday I guess they aren't a protected class.


Can you go more in depth with this maybe provide a link some stats violence against women everyday thats pretty vague don't you think? How many woman succumb to a violent crime every day? Also ever hear of the paradox of fear?

[masomenos]

Can you go more in depth with this maybe provide a link some stats violence against women everyday thats pretty vague don't you think? How many woman succumb to a violent crime every day? Also ever hear of the paradox of fear?

Well, in 2005 nearly 400,000 women reported being a victim of violence in the United States.

[DaBoys4Life]

Well, in 2005 nearly 400,000 women reported being a victim of violence in the United States.

where is this coming from???? Also is it domestic violence or random muggings type stuff?

[ScipioCowboy]

where is this coming from???? Also is it domestic violence or random muggings type stuff?

Does it really matter?

[DaBoys4Life]

Does it really matter?

Yea because I would like to see the source....because I'm looking at the stuff right now and I can't find those numbers anywhere.......There's also a difference between random violent crimes against females and domestic violence. The odds of a female being a victim of a violent crime are low.

Just to piggy back off of this...It's not just females either the odds of people being a victim of a violent crime however it's a common misconception throughout the public that violent crimes is at high rates when in jail they make up the smallest population most of jail is with drug dealers and such. That's just one of the problems with the current criminal justice system. Yeah like I was saying it does make a difference and I also mentioned the paradox of fear earlier.

[hairic]

I'd have to disagree with you on this....even though it's the past it shouldn't be swept under the rug. There is a big difference between a white person being hung and a black being hung. If you consider the way blacks used to be treated and strung up and hung then it's a clear as day....whether you want to accept that fact or not is something completely different.

You're forgetting that women used to be lynched in the past (as witches). Most were cooked well-done, but some were lynched as well. Men were treated as witches too, but not in quantity.

That's what I thought of right after thinking of the hung Obama.

[DaBoys4Life]

You're forgetting that women used to be lynched in the past (as witches). Most were cooked well-done, but some were lynched as well. Men were treated as witches too, but not in quantity.

That's what I thought of right after thinking of the hung Obama.

I forgot about the witch trails....it's crazy how different stuff is taught but only certain things is burnt into people's memories....

[masomenos]

where is this coming from???? Also is it domestic violence or random muggings type stuff?

That's just the domestic violence stat. It's actually from one of my sophomore year textbooks, so I don't have a link.

[masomenos]

...thinking of the hung Obama.

Hey, this is a family board, we don't need any of that. Smutty.

[DaBoys4Life]

That's just the domestic violence stat. It's actually from one of my sophomore year textbooks, so I don't have a link.

Oh i see, I thought you was just pulling the numbers out of your arse....I was checking out these numbers and remembering stuff from the top of my head from what my prof was telling us....http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/vsxtab.htm

Yea I don't think crimes against woman is a big problem as some say and it's like 400,000 domestic violence cases...how many of them are going to leave the man afterwards....also I know now they changed it so both parties get locked up in these situations however, I'm notsure if domestic violence counts as a violent crime per say it might be along the lines of something like simple assault

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is sooooo wrong


http://www.ktla.com/common/medialib/image/49994.jpg

KTLA News

October 27, 2008

WEST HOLLYWOOD -- Is it a Hollywood decoration or a sick political statement?

Either way, some people in West Hollywood say a mannequin resembling Sarah Palin hanging from a noose is simply bad taste.

The mannequin is complete with glasses, a beehive wig and a red business suit.

People are stopping to take pictures of the effigy, and tour buses have included the display on their daily routes.

The home also has an effigy of Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, popping out of a chimney surrounded by fake flames.

Neighbors say whether it's Halloween or not, the display has got to go.

"I know it's Halloween, but when you're using a vice presidential candidate with a noose around her neck, that to me has gone too far," a man identified only as "George" says.

"Whether I'm Republican or Democrat, it's not about that. It's just wrong."

Some concerned callers have reported the display as a hate crime so a special hate crime unit is investigating, West Hollywood Sheriff Sgt. Kristin Aloma said

The creator of the display, Chad Michael Morrisette says the mannequin may be unacceptable any other month, but he says it's Halloween and that makes it okay.

"It should be seen as art and it should be seen within the month of October. It's time to be scary and spooky," Morrisette said.

"I know if we had done it with Barack Obama, people would've probably thrown things through our windows," Morrisette said.

"The image of a hanged black man is a lot more intense than the image of a hanged white woman -- for our country -- in the history of our country."

Some neighbors say the mannequin is just funny and shouldn't be taken so seriously. "This is West Hollywood, after all," he said.

"It was kind of cruel, but it made me laugh, too. What can I say?"

The Republican vice presidential candidate is not considered to be a friend of the gay community and has been the subject of rumors throughout West Hollywood in recent days.

First, there was word the city was going to ban Sarah Palin drag queens at its upcoming costumed street party, which draws some 500,000 people annually.

But, that rumor turned out to be false.

The 21st annual Halloween Carnaval will be held from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m. Friday along Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood. The street will be closed for the event.

Some people are just freaking stupid and could use a good smack upside the head.

[burmafrd]

Frankly anything from california should be considered as from another world.

I like the part about there being an investigation about hate speech. considering how hard the libs have pushed for that it would be funny to see libs take it in the rear end.

[Beast_from_East]

That is just sick, the person that did that needs some mental help badly.

[Maikeru-sama]

I'd have to disagree with you on this....even though it's the past it shouldn't be swept under the rug. There is a big difference between a white person being hung and a black being hung. If you consider the way blacks used to be treated and strung up and hung then it's a clear as day....whether you want to accept that fact or not is something completely different.


:hammer:

That guy defends Rush Limbaugh every chance he gets, so I doubt he has that ability.

Trust me.

[CowboyPrincess]

this is true however you have to understand the nature of the world we live in even though you don't mean any harm by the thread. People will still find ways to get upset and find something obscene in it. All it takes is black + hanging and people will get upset. Also factor in the civil rights movement was to far off a lot of that hatred that people grew up with is still burning in their hearts and stuff.....Just out of curiosity why did you feel the need to state your best friend was black and hispanic ?

For the same reason I stated I was indian and my children were half Hispanic.. It's what I surround myself with. A melting pot of different nationalities and race. And because Rep and Conservs are being lumped together as racists all over this board. Several have been called racist and I know they aren't.. Me, Danny White, Trick and Cajun to name a few.... Because of that I've been feeling like I have to be more specific in who's in my life. Being called a racist upsets me... It's like saying I hate my children and best friend.. And thats not fair...

Thats why I did that.

[Cajuncowboy]

:hammer:

That guy defends Rush Limbaugh every chance he gets, so I doubt he has that ability.

Trust me.

And you slam him every chance you get even when you are wrong.

Again, I see you took another shot at him with no reason.

Thanks for Point proven.

And there is no difference.

A human being hung is a human being hung. Period. It's the race baiters who want to see the only the skin color. They are both equally as disgusting.

Sorry you are one of those but as Parcells once said, "You are what you are."

[Signals]

As my dad always used to say:

"Leave the race issues to the NASCAR people".I guess that explains why your always taking a "left" turn.

;)

[Jordan55]

:clap2: And you slam him every chance you get even when you are wrong.

Again, I see you took another shot at him with no reason.

Thanks for Point proven.

And there is no difference.

A human being hung is a human being hung. Period. It's the race baiters who want to see the only the skin color. They are both equally as disgusting.

Sorry you are one of those but as Parcells once said, "You are what you are.":bravo:

[trickblue]

I guess that explains why your always taking a "left" turn.

;)

That right there is funny... I don't care who you are...

[trickblue]

I got my degrees from really good, snooty Canadian Universities. I'll continue look down on all of you Colonials in my typical condescending fashion.:cool:

Damn Canucks... :D

[trickblue]

Sure.. soon as I'm done using it. So remind me - when was the last time Princeton won a baseball national championship?

I was on your side... damn you...

Princeton DID have some good basketball teams a few years back, but I was extremely pumped when Rice won the CWS. That's good stuff!

[DaBoys4Life]

For the same reason I stated I was indian and my children were half Hispanic.. It's what I surround myself with. A melting pot of different nationalities and race. And because Rep and Conservs are being lumped together as racists all over this board. Several have been called racist and I know they aren't.. Me, Danny White, Trick and Cajun to name a few.... Because of that I've been feeling like I have to be more specific in who's in my life. Being called a racist upsets me... It's like saying I hate my children and best friend.. And thats not fair...

Thats why I did that.

I see what you're saying but you shouldn't let what some of these people say get to you....this is my thinking but having friends of a certain race doesn't make people racist or none racist. You are who and what you are whether your friends white black or any thing from red to yellow....but yeah I think it's a joke for someone to call someones else racist because of the way they vote but hey thats people....I don't think any of you guys are racist.

[JBond]

Whoever hung that is plain stupid and ignorant.

However, even though it is disgusting, it is odd to not be able to see the difference between this and someone hanging one of a Black person, given our nation's past.

This is 2008. Not 1860, or 1960.

This was done because liberals will allow it to be done. Many even secretly like it.

[WoodysGirl]

But he gets a pass...

The double standard is AMAZING...
only by those who vote for him.

This is 2008. Not 1860, or 1960.

This was done because liberals will allow it to be done. Many even secretly like it.
Liberals caused this? I think all on here agree that it's pretty tacky. The difference is how one views it from a historical perspective.

[trickblue]

only by those who vote for him.

Actually the press continues to refer to him as "The Conscience of the Senate"...

Glad I'm not in the Senate...

[WoodysGirl]

Actually the press continues to refer to him as "The Conscience of the Senate"...

Glad I'm not in the Senate...
Really? Never heard that before. I've only known of him as a racist who keeps getting re-elected.

[trickblue]

Really? Never heard that before. I've only known of him as a racist who keeps getting re-elected.

Google that phrase and he will come up more than any other name...

[Maikeru-sama]

only by those who vote for him.


Liberals caused this? I think all on here agree that it's pretty tacky. The difference is how one views it from a historical perspective.

Yep.

But the folks that listen to Rush Limbaugh won't understand this.

They are what they are.

:laugh2:

[JRid21]

Google that phrase and he will come up more than any other name...

-V95eGgZbrU

[DaBoys4Life]

-V95eGgZbrU


:lmao2: :lmao:

What a joke I thought the guy was going to die during that speech

barbaric!!!!!!!!!!

[trickblue]

-V95eGgZbrU

0FIBJt-c2o0

Imagine if he had been a Republican...

[JRid21]

0FIBJt-c2o0

Imagine if he had been a Republican...


:rolleyes:

I've got a ton of funny political videos if someone is willing to help me start the thread. It could help relieve a lot of this tension that's been building due to the election.

[DaBoys4Life]

0FIBJt-c2o0

Imagine if he had been a Republican...

how the hell is this guy a senator makes me want to punch him in the face he is so full of it....:chainsaw: :chop:

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have to be honest here. This thread, IMO, is absolutly the worst this board can offer. There are times that I can read things on this board and they make me smile because I can see the good in our membership. After reading this thread, I can not say that there is very much good posted here.

It's kind of frieghtening what is being said here and really, what is being accepted IMO.

I can not wait till this election is over.

[trickblue]

how the hell is this guy a senator makes me want to punch him in the face he is so full of it....:chainsaw: :chop:

Complain to brainpaint... he's one of the one's that keeps putting him back in office in WV...

[JRid21]

I have to be honest here. This thread, IMO, is absolutly the worst this board can offer. There are times that I can read things on this board and they make me smile because I can see the good in our membership. After reading this thread, I can not say that there is very much good posted here.

It's kind of frieghtening what is being said here and really, what is being accepted IMO.

I can not wait till this election is over.

Wanna help me start a political humor thread? I've tried to get some people to assist me in it.

[DaBoys4Life]

Wanna help me start a political humor thread? I've tried to get some people to assist me in it.

you need help clicking new thread?

[JRid21]

you need help clicking new thread?

no with getting people to contribute
just wanted to know if people will contribute to it

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wanna help me start a political humor thread? I've tried to get some people to assist me in it.


Might as well. Can't dance, can't sing and my ride aint showing up for another 3 hours.

:)

[JRid21]

Might as well. Can't dance, can't sing and my ride aint showing up for another 3 hours.

:)

Alright I started it

[Sasquatch]

And your Northeastern Bias shines through...

Dude... you are the single biggest elitist on this board... bar NONE...

Now, you may wear that as a badge of courage... many of us don't...

I categorically deny the charge. :p:

I have made two arguments with respect to Ivy League schools which seem fairly commonsensical to me:

1. On average, it's probable that people graduating from Harvard possess greater general intelligence than graduates of the University of Idaho.

2. An Ivy League degree confers more prestige than one from most other schools (University of Chicago and Stanford being exceptions).

I also routinely speak out against the overt anti-intellectualism of the republican party which has manifested itself most recently with the Palin candidacy. I think it's a mistake and does a disservice to a long tradition of conservative thought.

Now, if some of you guys want to interpret that as meaning I disdain all other institutions of higher learning and think that conservatives are stupid, that's your prerogative. But I would suggest that your reaction says less about me and more about the sort of oversensitive and defensive mentality that is fostered and conditioned by the culture wars.

[Maikeru-sama]

And your Northeastern Bias shines through...

Dude... you are the single biggest elitist on this board... bar NONE...

Now, you may wear that as a badge of courage... many of us don't...

Really?

There are some other guys who could lay claim to that title. As a matter fact a few weeks ago one of them was in here saying he was never wrong about anything and lambasted another poster and said "You must be product of the public school system".

[trickblue]

I categorically deny the charge. :p:

I have made two arguments with respect to Ivy League schools which seem fairly commonsensical to me:

1. On average, it's probable that people graduating from Harvard possess greater general intelligence than graduates of the University of Idaho.

2. An Ivy League degree confers more prestige than one from most other schools (University of Chicago and Stanford being exceptions).

I also routinely speak out against the overt anti-intellectualism of the republican party which has manifested itself most recently with the Palin candidacy. I think it's a mistake and does a disservice to a long tradition of conservative thought.

Now, if some of you guys want to interpret that as meaning I disdain all other institutions of higher learning and think that conservatives are stupid, that's your prerogative. But I would suggest that your reaction says less about me and more about the sort of oversensitive and defensive mentality that is fostered and conditioned by the culture wars.

Spoken by one that fuels that very flame... ;)

[Sasquatch]

Frankly anything from california should be considered as from another world.

Reagan was from California, wasn't he?

[Maikeru-sama]

I have to be honest here. This thread, IMO, is absolutly the worst this board can offer. There are times that I can read things on this board and they make me smile because I can see the good in our membership. After reading this thread, I can not say that there is very much good posted here.

It's kind of frieghtening what is being said here and really, what is being accepted IMO.

I can not wait till this election is over.

Like what exactly?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Like what exactly?

Read the thread through. For me, it is not hard to see.

[trickblue]

Reagan was from California, wasn't he?

Born in Illinois though... ;)

[WoodysGirl]

you need help clicking new thread?
Ok, so that made me laugh. :laugh2:

[Maikeru-sama]

Read the thread through. For me, it is not hard to see.

:rolleyes:

[ConcordCowboy]

Keith Olbermann gave this guy The Worst Person In The World Award last night.

[ABQCOWBOY]

:rolleyes:


Yesterday, you accused me of being Bipartican when there was no proof of that, that I could see. Today, you demand that I name names. What are you trying to accoplish here?

[Bach]

Keith Olbermann gave this guy The Worst Person In The World Award last night.

Who, Sasquatch?

[Doomsday101]

Reagan was from California, wasn't he?

Born in Illinois he just move to California to start an acting career.

[bbgun]

Dude... you are the single biggest elitist on this board... bar NONE...

Actually, that award goes to Miles, who seemingly can't get through one post without mentioning that Obama went to Harvard. Apparently, that is his sole qualification for the office of President.

[Phrozen Phil]

I went to Oregon.. Do I get to be snooty or am I the snooted on?

That depends. 1) Do you wear white shoes after Labor Day or before Easter?
2) Was your Debut in a reputable establishment?
3) Are you able to trace your lineage back to the 1700's?
4) Has any family member ever served in the "Trades"?

If the answers to any of these questions is yes (particularly question 1) then you get to be snooty as all get out. Or snooted on. I'm not sure which.

[trickblue]

Actually, that award goes to Miles, who seemingly can't get through one post without mentioning that Obama went to Harvard. Apparently, that is his sole qualification for the office of President.

Unless you are George Bush... he qualifies that frequently...

[Sasquatch]

Spoken by one that fuels that very flame... ;)

I think you're advancing the elitist position in so far as you're denying the commonly held assumption of Ivy League prestige.

Not that it can be verified, but I would wager that if you traveled around rural communities across this country and asked people which sounds more prestigious, Harvard or University of Idaho (or even Rice), the overwhelming response would be the former (in the latter case for no other reason than Joe sixpack types outside of Texas have probably never heard of it).

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you're advancing the elitist position in so far as you're denying the commonly held assumption of Ivy League prestige.

Not that it can be verified, but I would wager that if you traveled around rural communities across this country and asked people which sounds more prestigious, Harvard or University of Idaho (or even Rice), the overwhelming response would be the former (in the latter cause for no other reason than Joe sixpack types outside of Texas have probably never heard of it).

I think it's interesting that we seem to link education and elite together so frequently.

For example, I'd imagine that if you asked a person who might represent the elite more accurately, a Harvard Professor or a highly succesful business owner, the answer might be the succesful business owner.

I don't know this to be a fact but I'd imagine it to be true. Now, you can be both I suppose but that's not usually the case.

Elite are not necessarily associated with education or educators, as it were.

[CowboyPrincess]

That depends. 1) Do you wear white shoes after Labor Day or before Easter?
2) Was your Debut in a reputable establishment?
3) Are you able to trace your lineage back to the 1700's?
4) Has any family member ever served in the "Trades"?

If the answers to any of these questions is yes (particularly question 1) then you get to be snooty as all get out. Or snooted on. I'm not sure which.

1) Do you wear white shoes after Labor Day or before Easter? No.. my grandma taught me better than that

2) Was your Debut in a reputable establishment?
Texas Stadium

3) Are you able to trace your lineage back to the 1700's?
Yes and then some.. My dad has us traced back to the 1600's

4) Has any family member ever served in the "Trades"?
But of course.. Great grand daddy ran moonshine

So.... Do I pass or fail??

[CowboyPrincess]

I think you're advancing the elitist position in so far as you're denying the commonly held assumption of Ivy League prestige.

Not that it can be verified, but I would wager that if you traveled around rural communities across this country and asked people which sounds more prestigious, Harvard or University of Idaho (or even Rice), the overwhelming response would be the former (in the latter case for no other reason than Joe sixpack types outside of Texas have probably never heard of it).

Actually I think us rural types would say University of Texas.. Cuz wez to ignorent to nose bout thoos hi falutien skools but wez no longhorns and rice ar yummi eats

[Sasquatch]

Actually I think us rural types would say University of Texas.. Cuz wez to ignorent to nose bout thoos hi falutien skools but wez no longhorns and rice ar yummi eats

Evidence that I was right about the particular mentality fostered by the culture wars.

If you've been following this ongoing debate between myself and TB/Scip in this and other threads you would have noticed that I've conceded that both Rice and UTA are "fine" institutions even though I think the Ivy League are more prestigious.

Getting "ignorant" from "fine" is entirely y'all's doin'.

[CowboyPrincess]

Evidence that I was right about the particular mentality fostered by the culture wars.

If you've been following this ongoing debate between myself and TB/Scip in this and other threads you would have noticed that I've conceded that both Rice and UTA are "fine" institutions even though I think the Ivy League are more prestigious.

Getting "ignorant" from "fine" is entirely y'all's doin'.

I guess you didn't see the humor in my post... My bad. I thought you'd get a laugh out of the sarcaism and food reference...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Getting "ignorant" from "fine" is entirely y'all's doin'.

Not to be too much of an old School-Marm here Sas but I believe the correct term is, "all y'all's".

;)

[Sasquatch]

I guess you didn't see the humor in my post... My bad. I thought you'd get a laugh out of the sarcaism and food reference...

I'm an east coast elitist. We have no sense of humor. :cool:

[Sasquatch]

Not to be too much of an old School-Marm here Sas but I believe the correct term is, "all y'all's".

;)

:lmao2:

True, true. I stand corrected.

[WoodysGirl]

Not to be too much of an old School-Marm here Sas but I believe the correct term is, "all y'all's".

;)
Actually Texans say it both ways. "All y'all" or just "y'all" will do when talking Texan.

;)

So technically, he's correct.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually Texans say it both ways. "All y'all" or just "y'all" will do when talking Texan.

;)

So technically, he's correct.

I suppose that if you want to allow for basterdization of the Texas Language, then you can accept Y'all. However, I would rather we stay above that sort of thing so I only use the more proper usage, generally accepted as correct, All Y'all.

:laugh2:

[WoodysGirl]

I suppose that if you want to allow for basterdization of the Texas Language, then you can accept Y'all. However, I would rather we stay above that sort of thing so I only use the more proper usage, generally accepted as correct, All Y'all.

:laugh2:
As with anything, the Texas language has evolved over time. That's how a term such as "Y'all" can replace "All y'all."

For example, if you want to move a crowd of people to move over, you can say both:

"Can I get y'all to move over a bit?"

"Can I get all y'all to move over a bit?"

[CowboyPrincess]

As with anything, the Texas language has evolved over time. That's how a term such as "Y'all" can replace "All y'all."

For example, if you want to move a crowd of people to move over, you can say both:

"Can I get y'all to move over a bit?"

"Can I get all y'all to move over a bit?"

Actually the proper way to ask someone to move over in Texas is... All y'all better move cuz bubba's fixin to move y'all

[ABQCOWBOY]

As with anything, the Texas language has evolved over time. That's how a term such as "Y'all" can replace "All y'all."

For example, if you want to move a crowd of people to move over, you can say both:

"Can I get y'all to move over a bit?"

"Can I get all y'all to move over a bit?"

Wow, things have changed a lot since I left. When my Dad wanted to clear us out, he'd say, "All Y'all, get the #(!+ out the way!" Alas, civilization has come to Texas. Dang shame that.

:D

[WoodysGirl]

Actually the proper way to ask someone to move over in Texas is... All y'all better move cuz bubba's fixin to move y'allThat must be the Texan-country dialect. The Texan-city dialect is more: "Y'all better get the **** out the way!"

:D

Wow, things have changed a lot since I left. When my Dad wanted to clear us out, he'd say, "All Y'all, get the #(!+ out the way!" Alas, civilization has come to Texas. Dang shame that.

:D
Sad isn't it?

[CowboyPrincess]

That must be the Texan-country dialect. The Texan-city dialect is more: "Y'all better get the **** out the way!"

:D



Well yeah... But Gods watching and I'm not about to upset him and have him close his eyes on the boys again this coming weekend. We need his help. So I'm acting proper and referencing bubba instead.. :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

That must be the Texan-country dialect. The Texan-city dialect is more: "Y'all better get the **** out the way!"

:D


Sad isn't it?

I'm pretty sure you ment, "aint it?"


:)

[WoodysGirl]

Well yeah... But Gods watching and I'm not about to upset him and have him close his eyes on the boys again this coming weekend. We need his help. So I'm acting proper and referencing bubba instead.. :D
:laugh2:

You gotta point, there.

[WoodysGirl]

I'm pretty sure you ment, "aint it?"


:)
Saying "ain't" gives me flashbacks to when I was a child. Nice lil pop in the mouth for speaking improper english. I was never so glad to turn 18.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Saying "ain't" gives me flashbacks to when I was a child. Nice lil pop in the mouth for speaking improper english. I was never so glad to turn 18.


The good old days. Today, our parents would be in jail and I would be a worse person for it.

[trickblue]

Saying "ain't" gives me flashbacks to when I was a child. Nice lil pop in the mouth for speaking improper english. I was never so glad to turn 18.

Remember this one? "Ain't ain't a word"...

I used to get in trouble for using that as well. It was like a cuss word...

[CowboyPrincess]

Remember this one? "Ain't ain't a word"...

I used to get in trouble for using that as well...

Me too. If I said ain't I'd either get a pop or I'd have to write sentences with aren't or isn't in it.

Oh.. And I wasn't allowed to say butt or dang either. I was the only high school student saying bottom and darn.. :o:

I didn't feel comfortable saying ain't until Erik started trying to use it and I couldn't pop his mouth... dang those new fangled laws, ain't they a pain in the bottom