White extremists lash out over Obama's election

[Maikeru-sama]

From the Los Angeles Times
White extremists lash out over Obama's election

The Ku Klux Klan is emerging from decades of disorganization and obscurity, and the turnaround is acutely evident -- more than 200 hate-related incidents have been reported since the Nov. 4 election.
By Howard Witt
9:37 AM EST, November 24, 2008

Reporting from Bogalusa, La. - Barely three weeks since America elected its first black president, noose hangings, racist graffiti and death threats have struck dozens of towns across the country.

More than 200 such incidents -- including cross burnings, assassination betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama -- have been reported, according to law enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.

Racist websites have been boasting that their servers have been crashing because of an exponential increase in traffic.

And America's most potent symbol of racial hatred, the Ku Klux Klan, is reasserting itself in a spate of recent violence, after decades of disorganization and obscurity.

Nearly two weeks ago, the leader of a cell based in Bogalusa, La. -- a backwoods town once known as the Klan capital -- was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of a woman who allegedly sought to become a member but then changed her mind.

Late last month, two men with ties to a notoriously violent Klan chapter in Kentucky were charged in a bizarre plot to kill 88 black students and then decapitate an additional 14 students -- and then assassinate Obama by shooting him from a speeding car while wearing white tuxedos and top hats.

"We've seen everything from cross burnings on lawns of interracial couples to effigies of Obama hanging from nooses to unpleasant exchanges in schoolyards," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Ala. "I think we're in a worrying situation right now, a perfect storm of conditions coming together that could easily favor the continued growth of these groups."

Experts attribute the racist activity to factors including the rapidly worsening economic crisis; trends indicating that within a generation whites will not comprise a U.S. majority; and the impending arrival of a black family in the White House.

The FBI is investigating whether the recent Klan-related incidents involve conspiracies. And the Secret Service is monitoring the racist activity "to try to stay ahead of any emerging threats," according to spokesman Darrin Blackford.

One white supremacist leader, describing himself as moderate, professes alarm.

"There is a tremendous backlash" to Obama's election, said Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement in Learned, Miss. "My focus is to try to keep it peaceful. But many people look at the flag of the Republic of New Africa that will be hoisted over the White House as an act of war."

The FBI has no hate-crime statistics yet for 2008.

But based on local media reports, some experts are calling the rise in hate incidents surprising and unprecedented.

"The rhetoric right now is just about out of control," said Brian Levin, director of Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. "When you get this depth of hatred, it usually is the smoke before the fire."

In the small Louisiana town of Angie, 58-year-old Judy Robinson put an Obama sign outside her home a few weeks before the Nov. 4 presidential election. The morning after Halloween, she awoke to find the words "KKK" and "white power" spray-painted around her yard.

"I thought all that KKK stuff was in the past," said Robinson, who is black. "But now I look at people and think, 'Could he be Klan?' Suddenly I'm feeling like my town is hostile territory."

Experts say modern Klan chapters remain isolated and small, with perhaps 6,000 members nationwide -- a shadow of the group's membership of 4 million in the early 1900s.

Bogalusa, a lumber and paper mill town of about 13,000, is just down the road from Angie.

In the 1960s, historians say, the Ku Klux Klan so dominated Bogalusa's commerce, politics and law enforcement that the group once held a public meeting to debate which black church to burn down next.

Several Bogalusa Klan members were long suspected of shooting two black sheriff's deputies in a 1965 ambush, killing one. No one was ever brought to trial.

"To this day, most white people in Bogalusa know who the killers were, and they were never brought to justice," said Lance Hill, a Tulane University law professor and Klan expert.

That past now seems less distant.

On Nov. 10, local law enforcement authorities arrested Raymond "Chuck" Foster, 44, the leader of a Bogalusa Klan chapter called the Sons of Dixie, and seven other Klan members in connection with the shooting death of a Tulsa, Okla., woman who went to the group's remote campsite in St. Tammany Parish for an initiation ceremony.

Authorities say Foster shot the woman when she tried to change her mind about joining the group. He has been charged with second-degree murder; the other Klan members, including Foster's 20-year-old son, have been charged with obstruction of justice.

City officials say they had no idea that Bogalusa has Klan cells.

"I've been here 13 years, and this was a complete surprise to me that there was Klan here," said Police Chief Jerry Agnew.

Yet members of the town's black community say they have been reporting Klan sightings to the police for more than a year. About 40% of residents are black.

In October 2007, residents of one black neighborhood reported white-hooded Klan members riding horses through the streets.

And in March, Klan members openly handed out fliers advertising the second annual Sons of Dixie Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Craw Fish Boil -- held at the house on Louisiana Avenue that Foster was renting from a Bogalusa deputy sheriff.

"The city leaders want to make it look like this is just some small fringe group," said former City Councilman Marvin Austin, 61, who once belonged to the Deacons for Defense, a black group that formed in the 1960s to defend black residents from the Klan.

"But the Klan still has a lot of sympathizers here."

Witt writes for the Chicago Tribune.

link (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-klan1124,0,6364005.story)

[Maikeru-sama]

"There is a tremendous backlash" to Obama's election, said Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement in Learned, Miss. "My focus is to try to keep it peaceful. But many people look at the flag of the Republic of New Africa that will be hoisted over the White House as an act of war."


Holy Hell!

:lmao2:



In the small Louisiana town of Angie, 58-year-old Judy Robinson put an Obama sign outside her home a few weeks before the Nov. 4 presidential election. The morning after Halloween, she awoke to find the words "KKK" and "white power" spray-painted around her yard.


This reminds me of an old Ice Cube song.

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://btr.michaelkwan.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/forrest-gump-feather.jpg
Stupid is as Stupid Does

[bbgun]

No problem. Obama's quite comfortable in the company of racists.

[Bach]

No problem. Obama's quite comfortable in the company of racists.

:toast:

[Hostile]

I knew these stories would arrive sooner or later. The sad thing is someone gave them a soapbox so they can get larger.

[zrinkill]

Bush should preemptive strike against them.

I would send the feds after them full force ...... to show that both sides are unified against them.

But I am not concerned about the KKK at all ...... the Secret Service will eat their lunch.

The Klan is used to dealing with the FBI, they have to follow certain rules.

The Secret Service does not play by that rule book.

[bbgun]

I knew these stories would arrive sooner or later. The sad thing is someone gave them a soapbox so they can get larger.

I hope you didn't expect the MSM to cover the bigotry and violence perpetrated by the Gay Left in the wake of Prop 8. That would be homophobic and "impolite."

[ethiostar]

No problem. Obama's quite comfortable in the company of racists.

I think he is more comfortable in the company of his white mother and grandmother.

[ethiostar]

:toast:

You plan on asking him for a date?:rolleyes:

[bbgun]

I think he is more comfortable in the company of his white mother and grandmother.

The "typical white person" grandma he accused of being a racist? Feel the love.

[ethiostar]

The "typical white person" grandma he accused of being a racist? Feel the love.

He accused your grandma of being a racist did he? Or Did you hear him make comments about other people's grandma? I would love to get the link.

[DFWJC]

No problem. Obama's quite comfortable in the company of racists.

:eek: :cool: :p:

[DFWJC]

I think he is more comfortable in the company of his white mother and grandmother.

The ones he hid from the public?

[bbgun]

He accused your grandma of being a racist did he? Or Did you hear him make comments about other people's grandma? I would love to get the link.

What the hell are you babbling about?

[Bach]

You plan on asking him for a date?:rolleyes:

No, but the way you stalk me I'm afraid you're about to ask me

[ethiostar]

The ones he hid from the public?

The one he talked about insistently during his speeches and the same one that he went to visit in the middle of his campaign.

[ethiostar]

No, but the way you stalk me I'm afraid you're about to ask me

Stalk you? Good one:laugh2:

We visit the same forum and we both spend time in this zone. You're like a bad car wreck, i want to ignore you but your idiotic, simple minded and hate-full comments borne out of ignorance, fear, and paranoia make me pause long enough to say a few words.

[ethiostar]

The "typical white person" grandma he accused of being a racist? Feel the love.

What the hell are you babbling about?

I must have misunderstood your earlier comment, care to clarify?

[bbgun]

I must have misunderstood your earlier comment, care to clarify?

He derided her as a "typical white person" who reacts badly to blacks. It was a pretty big story.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/obama-grandma-typical-white-person-fearing-everyone-she-doesnt-know

[Bach]

Stalk you? Good one:laugh2:

We visit the same forum and we both spend time in this zone. You're like a bad car wreck, i want to ignore you but your idiotic, simple minded and hate-full comments borne out of ignorance, fear, and paranoia make me pause long enough to say a few words.

*Stalker on aisle 3 - get a mop*

[MilesAustinforMVP]

He derided her as a "typical white person" who reacts badly to blacks. It was a pretty big story.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/obama-grandma-typical-white-person-fearing-everyone-she-doesnt-know
Reading some of your comments I might have to agree with him.

[DaBoys4Life]

KKK scares me.......same with arian nation and any of those other white skin head guys.

[bbgun]

Reading some of your comments I might have to agree with him.

Shouldn't you be crying on your bf's shoulder or something?

[DFWJC]

KKK scares me.......same with arian nation and any of those other white skin head guys.

You have to wonder just how many screws are loose for someone to think like that....never could come close to understanding or sympathizing with it. And even with the haters like Revs Wright and Farrakan out there, I never will.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

Shouldn't you be crying on your bf's shoulder or something?
Your homophobic remarks doesn't help your case any.

[DaBoys4Life]

You have to wonder just how many screws are loose for someone to think like that....never could come close to understanding or sympathizing with it. And even with the haters like Revs Wright and Farrakan out there, I never will.

yeah it's crazy....people in gangs are kind of like that also.....so stupid.

[ethiostar]

He derided her as a "typical white person" who reacts badly to blacks. It was a pretty big story.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/obama-grandma-typical-white-person-fearing-everyone-she-doesnt-know

It seems the more Barack Obama tries to explain the peculiar statement he made Tuesday concerning his white grandmother's "fear of black men who passed by her on the street," the more he's assuring attention regarding the matter.As a black man, his comments are not that far off base as you would imagine. I don't see myself as a 'black' man first, but there have been plenty of situations in which people i've approached to help see me as just that and reacted in what i can only call paranoia.

Just to give you a simple example. I saw an old white lady with a flat tire pulled to on the side of HWY 75 in Dallas about 10 years ago. I pulled my car over behind her car to offer some assistance. when she saw the car pull over she started walking toward my car but as soon as i stepped out of the car and she saw me she stopped and froze. I approached her and asked her very politely if i can help her, if she had a spare tire. The lady could barely look at me much less talk to me. It took her a while to give me a response and finally hesitantly said yes she had a spare and i could change the tire for her but made sure to tell me that she had called the cops and that they would be there any minute. I changed her tire but the entire time she made sure she kept her distance from me.

I know this is just one example but i can not tell how many other similar incidents i have personally experienced. So much so that depending on the time and the place, i have to think twice about approaching people to offer help.

BTW, there have been studies conducted by psychologists to measure the stress level of individuals when they encounter people of different ethnicity. It measures many indicators including heart beat, blood pressure, etc.... In every single case, stress level was the greatest when whites encountered black males. If you are interested i can look up the studies and send them to you.

Having said all of this, Obama probably should not have generalized his comments to all white people, nevertheless, he is not that off base.

[DaBoys4Life]

As a black man, his comments are not that far off base as you would imagine. I don't see myself as a 'black' man first, but there have been plenty of situations in which people i've approached to help see me as just that and reacted in what i can only call paranoia.

Just to give you a simple example. I saw an old white lady with a flat tire pulled to on the side of HWY 75 in Dallas about 10 years ago. I pulled my car over behind her car to offer some assistance. when she saw the car pull over she started walking toward my car but as soon as i stepped out of the car and she saw me she stopped and froze. I approached her and asked her very politely if i can help her, if she had a spare tire. The lady could barely look at me much less talk to me. It took her a while to give me a response and finally hesitantly said yes she had a spare and i could change the tire for her but made sure to tell me that she had called the cops and that they would be there any minute. I changed her tire but the entire time she made sure she kept her distance from me.

I know this is just one example but i can not tell how many other similar incidents i have personally experienced. So much so that depending on the time and the place, i have to think twice about approaching people to offer help.

BTW, there have been studies conducted by psychologists to measure the stress level of individuals when they encounter people of different ethnicity. It measures many indicators including heart beat, blood pressure, etc.... In every single case, stress level was the greatest when whites encountered black males. If you are interested i can look up the studies and send them to you.

Having said all of this, Obama probably should not have generalized his comments to all white people, nevertheless, he is not that off base.

It seems the more Barack Obama tries to explain the peculiar statement he made Tuesday concerning his white grandmother's "fear of black men who passed by her on the street," the more he's assuring attention regarding the matter.

That is called the Paradox of fear. Odds are females are less likely to be victims or random violent crimes like that.

[DFWJC]

As a black man, his comments are not that far off base as you would imagine. I don't see myself as a 'black' man first, but there have been plenty of situations in which people i've approached to help see me as just that and reacted in what i can only call paranoia.

Just to give you a simple example. I saw an old white lady with a flat tire pulled to on the side of HWY 75 in Dallas about 10 years ago. I pulled my car over behind her car to offer some assistance. when she saw the car pull over she started walking toward my car but as soon as i stepped out of the car and she saw me she stopped and froze. I approached her and asked her very politely if i can help her, if she had a spare tire. The lady could barely look at me much less talk to me. It took her a while to give me a response and finally hesitantly said yes she had a spare and i could change the tire for her but made sure to tell me that she had called the cops and that they would be there any minute. I changed her tire but the entire time she made sure she kept her distance from me.

I know this is just one example but i can not tell how many other similar incidents i have personally experienced. So much so that depending on the time and the place, i have to think twice about approaching people to offer help.

BTW, there have been studies conducted by psychologists to measure the stress level of individuals when they encounter people of different ethnicity. It measures many indicators including heart beat, blood pressure, etc.... In every single case, stress level was the greatest when whites encountered black males. If you are interested i can look up the studies and send them to you.

Having said all of this, Obama probably should not have generalized his comments to all white people, nevertheless, he is not that off base.

I'm sure what you described is very true....sad but true. I don't blame the old lady, but as you know, her fear was unnecessary. She has just watched news or read the papers for probably 20+ years and seen story after story of black on white crime and rarely a nice story of a black man helping an white lady on the side of the road. It is a shame and I hate to see it in this world, but it's there (whether founded or not).

My wife once told me that if it was near dark and she was walking downtown alone and saw 2 or 3+ men walking together coming her way, she would be much much more apprehensive if they were black men vs white men. She knows its not fair but she also knows statistacally speaking her odds of being robbed or raped may still be low but are FAR higher if it was the former vs the latter. Not fair to all of the good men out there like you, but the facts are the facts.

I drove a black friend of the family home to S.O.C. once and it was very late following a party. We were passing throug a rough area and she was embarrassed but honest to tell me that I should proably not even stop at the stop lights because I was a white man. I promise, if the table were turned (except in some million to one east texas example, the scenario would NOT be the same. A long-time back buddy of mice (who stood in my wedding) tells stuff like that too. he hates to admit it b/c it pertuates the exaggerations out there, but stats don't lie in this case.

[zrinkill]

I saw an old white lady with a flat tire pulled to on the side of HWY 75 in Dallas about 10 years ago. I pulled my car over behind her car to offer some assistance. when she saw the car pull over she started walking toward my car but as soon as i stepped out of the car and she saw me she stopped and froze. I approached her and asked her very politely if i can help her, if she had a spare tire. The lady could barely look at me much less talk to me. It took her a while to give me a response and finally hesitantly said yes she had a spare and i could change the tire for her but made sure to tell me that she had called the cops and that they would be there any minute. I changed her tire but the entire time she made sure she kept her distance from me.

You probably changed that womans perceptions after she walked away from that encounter.

No telling what that simple act of kindness started.

Chain reactions are an incredible thing ..... and we rarely get to see them.

[ethiostar]

I'm sure what you described is very true....sad but true. I don't blame the old lady, but as you know, her fear was unnecessary. She has just watched news or read the papers for probably 20+ years and seen story after story of black on white crime and rarely a nice story of a black man helping an white lady on the side of the road. It is a shame and I hate to see it in this world, but it's there (whether founded or not).

Not only that, but portrayals of positive black role models in the media and beyond is a very recent phenomenon despite the fact that in US history there have been countless black doctors, inventors, scholars, etc... that have contributed to this nation. I wish we focused more on these types of accomplishment. Every year for black history month, it seems like we are told the same history of civil rights activists, which is fine but there is more to African Americans that that. We should know, for example, the inventors of the elevator, fire extinguisher, mechanical corn harvester, etc.....


My wife once told me that if it was near dark and she was walking downtown alone and saw 2 or 3+ men walking together coming her way, she would be much much more apprehensive if they were black men vs white men. She knows its not fair but she also knows statistacally speaking her odds of being robbed or raped may still be low but are FAR higher if it was the former vs the latter. Not fair to all of the good men out there like you, but the facts are the facts.

I haven't seen the break down of crimes by race, but it wouldn't surprise me if what you're saying is true. In every nation, those kinds of crimes are committed by groups who occupy the lowest economic status.

I drove a black friend of the family home to S.O.C. once and it was very late following a party. We were passing throug a rough area and she was embarrassed but honest to tell me that I should proably not even stop at the stop lights because I was a white man. I promise, if the table were turned (except in some million to one east texas example, the scenario would NOT be the same. A long-time back buddy of mice (who stood in my wedding) tells stuff like that too. he hates to admit it b/c it pertuates the exaggerations out there, but stats don't lie in this case.

Location, location, location;) I think a white man/women will stand out more in certain neighborhoods that are known for their crime rate since they tend to be occupied by blacks, Latinos, etc....

[bbgun]

Having said all of this, Obama probably should not have generalized his comments to all white people, nevertheless, he is not that off base.

Remember, he threw her under the bus to escape the heat he was taking over Rev. Wright, as if there were any similarities between her and the odious pastor. Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of sacrificing family members to score political points. Think about it: can you imagine any Presidential candidate, in any context, describing anyone as a "typical black person?" Or a "typical Asian person?" Worse, what Obama said was that the "typical white person" views others of different races with fear and suspicion. It's up to sociologists to determine if that fear is justified, but it's still not a smart thing to say, and reeks of an insidious double standard.

[ethiostar]

You probably changed that womans perceptions after she walked away from that encounter.

No telling what that simple act of kindness started.

Chain reactions are an incredible thing ..... and we rarely get to see them.

I hope i did make her rethink her perception a little. But based on other experiences i've had with 'friends' who have had the same type of perception as the old lady, that type of encounter is taken to be the exception to the rule that is perpetuated by the media that shows us young black men in handcuffs all the time.

But i hope you are right.

[DFWJC]

Not only that, but portrayals of positive black role models in the media and beyond is a very recent phenomenon despite the fact that in US history there have been countless black doctors, inventors, scholars, etc... that have contributed to this nation. I wish we focused more on these types of accomplishment. Every year for black history month, it seems like we are told the same history of civil rights activists, which is fine but there is more to African Americans that that. We should know, for example, the inventors of the elevator, fire extinguisher, mechanical corn harvester, etc.....




I haven't seen the break down of crimes by race, but it wouldn't surprise me if what you're saying is true. In every nation, those kinds of crimes are committed by groups who occupy the lowest economic status.



Location, location, location;) I think a white man/women will stand out more in certain neighborhoods that are known for their crime rate since they tend to be occupied by blacks, Latinos, etc....

3 for 3

[ethiostar]

Remember, he threw her under the bus to escape the heat he was taking over Rev. Wright, as if there were any similarities between her and the odious pastor. Call me crazy, but I'm not a fan of sacrificing family members to score political points. Think about it: can you imagine any Presidential candidate, in any context, describing anyone as a "typical black person?" Or a "typical Asian person?" Worse, what Obama said was that the "typical white person" views others of different races with fear and suspicion. It's up to sociologists to determine if that fear is justified, but it's still not a smart thing to say, and reeks of an insidious double standard.

Like i've stated in my previous post, there are plenty of evidence to support that in sociology, psychology, etc....and as educated as he is i'm sure he is aware of them. However, he has seen it and experienced it himself, first hand, i'm sure. Not just with strangers, but i'm sure he has wittnessed it in the reactions of his grandma (both phsical and verbal) toward other black people, especially men.

I don't see his comment as him throwing her under the bus. He used a person he loves and knows well to illustrate a point. I don't see how anyone who followed the campaign does not realize the love he has for his grandmother.

[punchnjudy]

Bush should declare the KKK et al terrorists and then have them all locked up in Guantanamo.

Now THAT would be intereresting!

[DFWJC]

Bush should declare the KKK et al terrorists and then have them all locked up in Guantanamo.

Now THAT would be intereresting!

It's not that far-fetched

[bbgun]

I don't see his comment as him throwing her under the bus.

He analogized her to a racial lunatic. You call that a valentine?

He used a person he loves and knows well to illustrate a point.

Which was what exactly? Purse clutching is the moral equivalent of a man who spews racist, conspiratorial, anti-American sermons week after week, year after year? You can’t pick your grandma, but you can sure as hell pick your pastor.

I don't see how anyone who followed the campaign does not realize the love he has for his grandmother.

Sorry, but Obama's craven misuse of his grandmother seems to me a striking sign of poor character. Grandma, you deserved better.

[ethiostar]

He analogized her to a racial lunatic. You call that a valentine?



Which was what exactly? Purse clutching is the moral equivalent of a man who spews racist, conspiratorial, anti-American sermons week after week, year after year? You can’t pick your grandma, but you can sure as hell pick your pastor.



Sorry, but Obama's craven misuse of his grandmother seems to me a striking sign of poor character. Grandma, you deserved better.

oh, aren't you sweet.

I love my mother to death, and in so many ways she is my hero. But, she is not perfect and i disagree with her strongly in a number of issues and i have talked about those issues to others, a few times to a larger audience than normal. Doesn't change the fact that i love her.

[bbgun]

oh, aren't you sweet.

I love my mother to death, and in so many ways she is my hero. But, she is not perfect and i disagree with her strongly in a number of issues and i have talked about those issues to others, a few times to a larger audience than normal. Doesn't change the fact that i love her.

Gee, that's great, champ. Too bad your power-hungry candidate didn't follow your example.

[Sasquatch]

Sorry, but Obama's craven misuse of his grandmother seems to me a striking sign of poor character. Grandma, you deserved better.

The classy folks at NewsBusters know all about treating people with respect.

Their version of an obituary:

Ex-Newsweek Top Editor Osborn Elliott a Left-Wing Reagan-Basher
By Brent Baker
Created 2008-10-04 17:32

Osborn Elliott, the top editor of Newsweek from 1961 to 1976 and Dean of the Columbia School of Journalism from 1979 to 1986, passed away last Sunday at age 83 (Monday, September 29 Washington Post obituary [1]). He was retired when the Media Research Center was founded in 1987, but he didn't hesitate in 1992 and 1995 to express his hostility to conservatives and he serves as a reminder that the Angry Left populated the highest levels of the mainstream news media long before the blogosphere gave them new venues.

He helped to organize a “Save Our Cities” rally in 1992 where he accused Republicans of having “savaged our urban schools, our housing, our health care, our social services,” denounced “Democrats who have collaborated in this butchery” and charged: “We hold accountable those who waste our billions on a military with no enemy to fight.” (Screen shot is from that Saturday, May 16, 1992 event.)

Three years later he equated “Reaganism” with “social Darwinism” as he castigated journalists for being too nice to Reagan: “By failing to...adequately expose the inane contradictions of supply-side theories, aka Reaganomics, I believe journalism deserves some of the blame for ills that now afflict us.”

The two quotes from the archive of the MRC's Notable Quotables:

"We hold accountable Republicans who have savaged our urban schools, our housing, our health care, our social services. We hold accountable Democrats who have collaborated in this butchery...We hold accountable those who waste our billions on a military with no enemy to fight."
-- Osborn Elliott, Newsweek editor-in-chief from 1961-76, in his speech as co-chairman of the "Save Our Cities" rally, May 16, 1992.

"By allowing a kind of social Darwinism -- aka Reaganism -- to go mostly unchallenged, and by failing on the other hand to adequately expose the inane contradictions of supply-side theories, aka Reaganomics, I believe journalism deserves some of the blame for ills that now afflict us. These include a deficit that hobbles us and a debt load that will bend us low for years to come."
-- Former Newsweek Editor-in-Chief Osborn Elliott in the John Hershey Memorial Lecture, quoted in the March/April 1995 Columbia Journalism Review.

[ethiostar]

Gee, that's great, champ. Too bad your power-hungry candidate didn't follow your example.

First of all, he is not my candidate....I can't vote in this country. Second, he did exactly what i described i have done in regards to my mom and that's very clear to many people.

But thanks, uh.....champ.

[bbgun]

The classy folks at NewsBusters know all about treating people with respect.

Their version of an obituary:

Ex-Newsweek Top Editor Osborn Elliott a Left-Wing Reagan-Basher
By Brent Baker
Created 2008-10-04 17:32

Osborn Elliott, the top editor of Newsweek from 1961 to 1976 and Dean of the Columbia School of Journalism from 1979 to 1986, passed away last Sunday at age 83 (Monday, September 29 Washington Post obituary [1]). He was retired when the Media Research Center was founded in 1987, but he didn't hesitate in 1992 and 1995 to express his hostility to conservatives and he serves as a reminder that the Angry Left populated the highest levels of the mainstream news media long before the blogosphere gave them new venues.

He helped to organize a “Save Our Cities” rally in 1992 where he accused Republicans of having “savaged our urban schools, our housing, our health care, our social services,” denounced “Democrats who have collaborated in this butchery” and charged: “We hold accountable those who waste our billions on a military with no enemy to fight.” (Screen shot is from that Saturday, May 16, 1992 event.)

Three years later he equated “Reaganism” with “social Darwinism” as he castigated journalists for being too nice to Reagan: “By failing to...adequately expose the inane contradictions of supply-side theories, aka Reaganomics, I believe journalism deserves some of the blame for ills that now afflict us.”

The two quotes from the archive of the MRC's Notable Quotables:

"We hold accountable Republicans who have savaged our urban schools, our housing, our health care, our social services. We hold accountable Democrats who have collaborated in this butchery...We hold accountable those who waste our billions on a military with no enemy to fight."
-- Osborn Elliott, Newsweek editor-in-chief from 1961-76, in his speech as co-chairman of the "Save Our Cities" rally, May 16, 1992.

"By allowing a kind of social Darwinism -- aka Reaganism -- to go mostly unchallenged, and by failing on the other hand to adequately expose the inane contradictions of supply-side theories, aka Reaganomics, I believe journalism deserves some of the blame for ills that now afflict us. These include a deficit that hobbles us and a debt load that will bend us low for years to come."
-- Former Newsweek Editor-in-Chief Osborn Elliott in the John Hershey Memorial Lecture, quoted in the March/April 1995 Columbia Journalism Review.

Nice non-sequitur. This isn't an obituary; it's a critique of what the biased MSM refuses to tell it's readers, viewers, and listeners. MRC's job is to uncover and analyze left-wing media bias, and they did it quite nicely here. Would you write an obit about Nixon and omit Watergate?

[bbgun]

First of all, he is not my candidate....I can't vote in this country.

Phew!

[ethiostar]

Gee, that's great, champ. Too bad your power-hungry candidate didn't follow your example.

"She is going home," he said. "So there is great joy as well as tears."
Obama recapped his grandmother's life from her birth in 1922 and her marriage to his grandfather, their struggles through the Great Depression and with his infant mother through World War II.


"She was one of those quiet heroes that we have all across America," said Obama, who was criticized for remarking on his grandmother's latent racial prejudice after a storm over incendiary sermons by his former pastor.


"They're not famous. Their names aren't in the newspapers," he said.


"But each and every day they work hard. They sacrifice for their children and their grandchildren. They aren't seeking the limelight. All they try to do is just do the right thing.


"And in this crowd there are a lot of quiet heroes like that, mothers and fathers, grandparents who have worked hard and sacrificed all their lives," drawing satisfaction from the hope of a better life for their own offspring.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU5bo2-1L-XiKwM1TQinY4vikJxQ

The nerve of that guy:rolleyes:

[Hostile]

Just to give you a simple example. I saw an old white lady with a flat tire pulled to on the side of HWY 75 in Dallas about 10 years ago. I pulled my car over behind her car to offer some assistance. when she saw the car pull over she started walking toward my car but as soon as i stepped out of the car and she saw me she stopped and froze. I approached her and asked her very politely if i can help her, if she had a spare tire. The lady could barely look at me much less talk to me. It took her a while to give me a response and finally hesitantly said yes she had a spare and i could change the tire for her but made sure to tell me that she had called the cops and that they would be there any minute. I changed her tire but the entire time she made sure she kept her distance from me.First of all I agree with zrinkill that I hope you changed her perceptions.

This story couldn't help but remind me of a great story.

Having her hair done at a Dallas beauty parlor, a Woman told a cautionary tale about racial prejudice. The story deserves a wider audience.

On a recent weekend in Las Vegas, the woman related, she won a bucketful of quarters at a slot machine. She took a break from the slots for dinner with her husband in the hotel dining room. But first she wanted to stash the quarters in her room.


"I'll be right back and we'll go to eat," she told her husband and she carried the coin laden bucket to the elevator. As she was about to walk into the elevator she noticed two men already aboard. Both were black.


One of them was big... very big... an intimidating figure. The woman froze.


Her first thought was: These two are going to rob me. Her next thought was: Don't be a bigot, they look like perfectly nice gentlemen. But racial stereotypes are powerful, and fear immobilized her. She stood and stared at the two men.


She felt anxious, flustered, ashamed. She hoped they didn't read her mind, but knew they surely did; her hesitation about joining them on the elevator was all too obvious. Her face was flushed. She couldn't just stand there, so with a mighty effort of will she picked up one foot and stepped forward and followed with the other foot and was on the elevator.


Avoiding eye contact, she turned around stiffly and faced the elevator doors as they closed. A second passed, and then another second, and then another. Her fear increased!
The elevator didn't move. Panic consumed her. My God, she thought, I'm trapped and about to be robbed! Her heart plummeted. Perspiration poured from every pore.


Then ... one of the men said, "Hit the floor." Instinct told her: Do what they tell you. The bucket of quarters flew upwards as she threw out her arms and collapsed on the elevator carpet. A shower of coins rained down on her. Take my money and spare me, she prayed. More seconds passed.


She heard one of the men say politely, "Ma'am, if you'll just tell us what floor you're going to, we'll push the button." The one who said it had a little trouble getting the words out. He was trying mightily to hold in a belly laugh.


She lifted her head and looked up at the two men. They reached down to help her up. Confused, she struggled to her feet. "When I told my man here to hit the floor," said the average sized one, "I meant that he should hit the elevator button for our floor. I didn't mean for you to hit the floor, ma'am." He spoke genially. He bit his lip. It was obvious he was having a hard time not laughing.


She thought: My God, what a spectacle I've made of myself. She was so humiliated to speak. She wanted to blurt out an apology, but words failed her. How do you apologize to two perfectly respectable gentlemen for behaving as though they were going to rob you? She didn't know what to say. The 3 of them gathered up the strewn quarters and refilled her bucket. When the elevator arrived at her floor, they insisted on walking her to her room. She seemed a little unsteady on her feet, and they were afraid she might not make it down the corridor. At her door they bid her a good evening.


As she slipped into her room she could hear them roaring with laughter while they walked back to the elevator. The woman brushed herself off. She pulled herself together and went downstairs for dinner with her husband.


The next morning flowers were delivered to her room - a dozen roses. Attached to EACH rose was a crisp one hundred dollar bill. The card said: "Thanks for the best laugh we've had in years."



It was signed,
Eddie Murphy and Bodyguard

Here's to more barriers coming down, and hopeful that some of them will be funny stories we can all laugh at, but more of them will be stories like yours with a good deed done and no strings attached.

Thanks for sharing.

[ethiostar]

Phew!

Not so fast, I will get to vote on the next one, so go back to your paranoia and panic mode. :laugh2:

[ethiostar]

First of all I agree with zrinkill that I hope you changed her perceptions.

This story couldn't help but remind me of a great story.



Here's to more barriers coming down, and hopeful that some of them will be funny stories we can all laugh at, but more of them will be stories like yours with a good deed done and no strings attached.

Thanks for sharing.

That story cracks me up every time i hear it. :laugh2:

[Swolt]

From the Los Angeles Times
White extremists lash out over Obama's election

The Ku Klux Klan is emerging from decades of disorganization and obscurity, and the turnaround is acutely evident -- more than 200 hate-related incidents have been reported since the Nov. 4 election.
By Howard Witt
9:37 AM EST, November 24, 2008

Reporting from Bogalusa, La. - Barely three weeks since America elected its first black president, noose hangings, racist graffiti and death threats have struck dozens of towns across the country.

More than 200 such incidents -- including cross burnings, assassination betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama -- have been reported, according to law enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.

Racist websites have been boasting that their servers have been crashing because of an exponential increase in traffic.

And America's most potent symbol of racial hatred, the Ku Klux Klan, is reasserting itself in a spate of recent violence, after decades of disorganization and obscurity.

Nearly two weeks ago, the leader of a cell based in Bogalusa, La. -- a backwoods town once known as the Klan capital -- was charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of a woman who allegedly sought to become a member but then changed her mind.

Late last month, two men with ties to a notoriously violent Klan chapter in Kentucky were charged in a bizarre plot to kill 88 black students and then decapitate an additional 14 students -- and then assassinate Obama by shooting him from a speeding car while wearing white tuxedos and top hats.

"We've seen everything from cross burnings on lawns of interracial couples to effigies of Obama hanging from nooses to unpleasant exchanges in schoolyards," said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Montgomery, Ala. "I think we're in a worrying situation right now, a perfect storm of conditions coming together that could easily favor the continued growth of these groups."

Experts attribute the racist activity to factors including the rapidly worsening economic crisis; trends indicating that within a generation whites will not comprise a U.S. majority; and the impending arrival of a black family in the White House.

The FBI is investigating whether the recent Klan-related incidents involve conspiracies. And the Secret Service is monitoring the racist activity "to try to stay ahead of any emerging threats," according to spokesman Darrin Blackford.

One white supremacist leader, describing himself as moderate, professes alarm.

"There is a tremendous backlash" to Obama's election, said Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement in Learned, Miss. "My focus is to try to keep it peaceful. But many people look at the flag of the Republic of New Africa that will be hoisted over the White House as an act of war."

The FBI has no hate-crime statistics yet for 2008.

But based on local media reports, some experts are calling the rise in hate incidents surprising and unprecedented.

"The rhetoric right now is just about out of control," said Brian Levin, director of Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino. "When you get this depth of hatred, it usually is the smoke before the fire."

In the small Louisiana town of Angie, 58-year-old Judy Robinson put an Obama sign outside her home a few weeks before the Nov. 4 presidential election. The morning after Halloween, she awoke to find the words "KKK" and "white power" spray-painted around her yard.

"I thought all that KKK stuff was in the past," said Robinson, who is black. "But now I look at people and think, 'Could he be Klan?' Suddenly I'm feeling like my town is hostile territory."

Experts say modern Klan chapters remain isolated and small, with perhaps 6,000 members nationwide -- a shadow of the group's membership of 4 million in the early 1900s.

Bogalusa, a lumber and paper mill town of about 13,000, is just down the road from Angie.

In the 1960s, historians say, the Ku Klux Klan so dominated Bogalusa's commerce, politics and law enforcement that the group once held a public meeting to debate which black church to burn down next.

Several Bogalusa Klan members were long suspected of shooting two black sheriff's deputies in a 1965 ambush, killing one. No one was ever brought to trial.

"To this day, most white people in Bogalusa know who the killers were, and they were never brought to justice," said Lance Hill, a Tulane University law professor and Klan expert.

That past now seems less distant.

On Nov. 10, local law enforcement authorities arrested Raymond "Chuck" Foster, 44, the leader of a Bogalusa Klan chapter called the Sons of Dixie, and seven other Klan members in connection with the shooting death of a Tulsa, Okla., woman who went to the group's remote campsite in St. Tammany Parish for an initiation ceremony.

Authorities say Foster shot the woman when she tried to change her mind about joining the group. He has been charged with second-degree murder; the other Klan members, including Foster's 20-year-old son, have been charged with obstruction of justice.

City officials say they had no idea that Bogalusa has Klan cells.

"I've been here 13 years, and this was a complete surprise to me that there was Klan here," said Police Chief Jerry Agnew.

Yet members of the town's black community say they have been reporting Klan sightings to the police for more than a year. About 40% of residents are black.

In October 2007, residents of one black neighborhood reported white-hooded Klan members riding horses through the streets.

And in March, Klan members openly handed out fliers advertising the second annual Sons of Dixie Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Craw Fish Boil -- held at the house on Louisiana Avenue that Foster was renting from a Bogalusa deputy sheriff.

"The city leaders want to make it look like this is just some small fringe group," said former City Councilman Marvin Austin, 61, who once belonged to the Deacons for Defense, a black group that formed in the 1960s to defend black residents from the Klan.

"But the Klan still has a lot of sympathizers here."

Witt writes for the Chicago Tribune.

link (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-klan1124,0,6364005.story)



Imagine the wrath whites would have been given if Obama didn't win presidency?! Honestly i believe it would be quite worse than the opposite you're hearing about now.:eek:

[bbgun]

"She is going home," he said. "So there is great joy as well as tears."
Obama recapped his grandmother's life from her birth in 1922 and her marriage to his grandfather, their struggles through the Great Depression and with his infant mother through World War II.


"She was one of those quiet heroes that we have all across America," said Obama, who was criticized for remarking on his grandmother's latent racial prejudice after a storm over incendiary sermons by his former pastor.


"They're not famous. Their names aren't in the newspapers," he said.


"But each and every day they work hard. They sacrifice for their children and their grandchildren. They aren't seeking the limelight. All they try to do is just do the right thing.


"And in this crowd there are a lot of quiet heroes like that, mothers and fathers, grandparents who have worked hard and sacrificed all their lives," drawing satisfaction from the hope of a better life for their own offspring.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jU5bo2-1L-XiKwM1TQinY4vikJxQ

The nerve of that guy:rolleyes:

Awww, that's touching. Hollow, but touching. I'm glad that he has newfound respect for the racist purse clutcher who selflessly raised him. Funny how prior to the Rev. Wright controversy, he rarely invoked her name in speeches, if ever. I don't recall any special trips over to Hawaii to see her, either. That doesn't say much about the Messiah.

[Maikeru-sama]

I really hate to be a party pooper but I just can't give someone a pass for being racists or a bigot (the two can be different) soley on what they have seen on the news or heard on the radio.

Ethiostar, if I would have took the time to pull over and try to help that lady and I got the sense that she was uncomfortable receiving help from me because I am black and made it known that the cops were on the way, I would have just got in my car and went on about my business.

There are bad statistics for just about every race.

You should judge people based on your experiences with that individual. To do otherwise makes you ignorant and quite frankly a racists.

[Maikeru-sama]

Imagine the wrath whites would have been given if Obama didn't win presidency?! Honestly i believe it would be quite worse than the opposite you're hearing about now.:eek:

That's interesting, considering there is no evidence to support your claim.

And please don't go grab some article ONE guy in Philadelphia wrote about rioting if Barack Obama didn't win.

[ethiostar]

Awww, that's touching. Hollow, but touching. I'm glad that he has newfound respect for the racist purse clutcher who selflessly raised him. Funny how prior to the Rev. Wright controversy, he rarely invoked her name in speeches, if ever. I don't recall any special trips over to Hawaii to see her, either. That doesn't say much about the Messiah.

You keep on reaching, champ.

[Swolt]

Typical denial.

Police fear riots if Obama loses US election

"US police fear riots could break out if John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, wins the election next month.

Law enforcement officials say the intense public interest and historic nature of the vote could lead to violent outbreaks if people are unhappy with the results, encounter problems casting their ballots or suspect voting irregularities."






I know if a certain group fears it, it doesn't neccaserily mean it will happen. But i beleive there was a huge possibilty that riots would take place. Going to a predominantly black school hearing threats about it was common on a daily basis. A large part of the white student body would have taken the week off if Obama did win for that reason. But no, you don't hear about this type of thing in the media often now do you?

[Sasquatch]

Nice non-sequitur. This isn't an obituary; it's a critique of what the biased MSM refuses to tell it's readers, viewers, and listeners. MRC's job is to uncover and analyze left-wing media bias, and they did it quite nicely here. Would you write an obit about Nixon and omit Watergate?

You'll have to forgive my confusion but it's difficult to follow the contradictory logic of the extreme right when it comes to subjects such as what does and what does not constitute respectful behavior.

Hannity and Colmes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IDfKKWBEZk)

After a while, one becomes skeptical and desensitized to their shrill indignant cries, as the outbursts appear as little more than histrionics, similar to a small child making fuss not because they're genuinely hurt or aggrieved but because they crave attention and sympathy and are trying to manipulate you emotionally.

Whatever valid points there are get lost in the tedious charade.

[ethiostar]

I really hate to be a party pooper but I just can't give someone a pass for being racists or a bigot (the two can be different) soley on what they have seen on the news or heard on the radio.

Ethiostar, if I would have took the time to pull over and try to help that lady and I got the sense that she was uncomfortable receiving help from me because I am black and made it known that the cops were on the way, I would have just got in my car and went on about my business.

There are bad statistics for just about every race.

You should judge people based on your experiences with that individual. To do otherwise makes you ignorant and quite frankly a racists.

I see what your saying but it's really hard for me to walk away from an old lady who needs help. What i keep thinking, and i know it's gonna sound sappy, is what if this was my mom. But also, i'm a big believer in doing what i can, on an everyday basis, to counter stereotypes or other negative assumptions some people have regarding other groups, whether i belong to them or not. Walking away every time, in my view, doesn't accomplish anything, although i've done it in some cases. I extend myself like that because people have done it for me in the past and have corrected some assuptions i have had about them and thier group, and i appriciate that. But i have also become very close friends with people who at first had a very negative outlook about me because i'm black, foriegner, etc....

[bbgun]

You'll have to forgive my confusion but it's difficult to follow the contradictory logic of the extreme right when it comes to subjects such as what does and what does not constitute respectful behavior.

Hannity and Colmes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IDfKKWBEZk)

After a while, one becomes skeptical and desensitized to their shrill indignant cries, as the outbursts appear as little more than histrionics, similar to a small child making fuss not because they're genuinely hurt or aggrieved but because they crave attention and sympathy and are trying to manipulate you emotionally.

Whatever valid points there are get lost in the tedious charade.

P*R*E*T*E*N*T*I*O*U*S.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

P*R*E*T*E*N*T*I*O*U*S.
I find it kind of interesting how quickly you jumped to the defense of the KKK in this thread. Sort of telling I think.

[Maikeru-sama]

Typical denial.

Police fear riots if Obama loses US election

"US police fear riots could break out if John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, wins the election next month.

Law enforcement officials say the intense public interest and historic nature of the vote could lead to violent outbreaks if people are unhappy with the results, encounter problems casting their ballots or suspect voting irregularities."






I know if a certain group fears it, it doesn't neccaserily mean it will happen. But i beleive there was a huge possibilty that riots would take place. Going to a predominantly black school hearing threats about it was common on a daily basis. A large part of the white student body would have taken the week off if Obama did win for that reason. But no, you don't hear about this type of thing in the media often now do you?

Like I told another poster who made this bogus claim, where is the proof?

Just because it is historic and there is intense public interest doesn't mean that there is going to be riots.

Proof is Police finding pockets of Barack Obama supporters with guns or actually plotting to riot if Barack Obama losed the election.

Funny, when they say historic nature and intense public interest, they could easily be describing the 2000 Presidential Election :rolleyes: .

[silverbear]

Shouldn't you be crying on your bf's shoulder or something?

ahhh, gay smack... there's no weaker, lamer ploy to be found on message boards...

I honestly thought you would have more wit than that... I always thought you were funny...

It really is sad, that you can't argue politics without this crapola...

[bbgun]

I find it kind of interesting how quickly you jumped to the defense of the KKK in this thread. Sort of telling I think.

I did?? Where?? Or are you so dense as to think that mocking the agenda-driven MSM is an endorsement of the KKK? Probably so.

BTW, how long have you gone without accusing someone of racial, religious or sexual bigotry? Five minutes? It seems to be your standard (lame) strategy.

[Maikeru-sama]

I see what your saying but it's really hard for me to walk away from an old lady who needs help. What i keep thinking, and i know it's gonna sound sappy, is what if this was my mom. But also, i'm a big believer in doing what i can, on an everyday basis, to counter stereotypes or other negative assumptions some people have regarding other groups, whether i belong to them or not. Walking away every time, in my view, doesn't accomplish anything, although i've done it in some cases. I extend myself like that because people have done it for me in the past and have corrected some assuptions i have had about them and thier group, and i appriciate that. But i have also become very close friends with people who at first had a very negative outlook about me because i'm black, foriegner, etc....

The police were on their way. You said she clearly made that a known fact.

Also, we are talking about a flat tire, not a serious injury.

I think you are a good man for doing it.

The only problem she had with you was that you were black. As a black man myself, I just wouldn't put up with it because I don't have too.

[bbgun]

ahhh, gay smack... there's no weaker, lamer ploy to be found on message boards...

I honestly thought you would have more wit than that... I always thought you were funny...

It really is sad, that you can't argue politics without this crapola...

He's obsessed with the gay marriage issue. As such, the jibe was entirely appropriate. And someone who constantly conflates ordinary Republicans with "eeeevil bloodthirsty Neocons" shouldn't be delivering lectures.

[silverbear]

I find it interesting, how quickly the subject of this thread was hijacked from sundry offenses committed by white supremacists since Obama's election...

It's almost like some of you think such activity is justified, even patriotic...

[Maikeru-sama]

I find it interesting, how quickly the subject of this thread was hijacked from sundry offenses committed by white supremacists since Obama's election...

It's almost like some of you think such activity is justified, even patriotic...

Ouch!

:laugh2:

[silverbear]

I did?? Where?? Or are you so dense as to think that mocking the agenda-driven MSM is an endorsement of the KKK? Probably so.

Mocking the MSM in this thread is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to deflect attention from the subject of this thread... indeed, it DOES come off as an attempt to justify the white supremacists...

Now, in your case I think it was just a knee-jerk right wing reaction, rather than racism, but the net effect is pretty much the same...

Perhaps if you did not wish to address the topic at hand, you should have stayed out of this thread, because you've sure made yourself appear sympathetic to this jagoffs...

[Hostile]

I see what your saying but it's really hard for me to walk away from an old lady who needs help. What i keep thinking, and i know it's gonna sound sappy, is what if this was my mom. But also, i'm a big believer in doing what i can, on an everyday basis, to counter stereotypes or other negative assumptions some people have regarding other groups, whether i belong to them or not. Walking away every time, in my view, doesn't accomplish anything, although i've done it in some cases. I extend myself like that because people have done it for me in the past and have corrected some assuptions i have had about them and thier group, and i appriciate that. But i have also become very close friends with people who at first had a very negative outlook about me because i'm black, foriegner, etc....Outstanding. You sir, are a man whom I would shake hands with any day and be proud to call friend.

[ethiostar]

[quote=Maikeru-sama;2441215] The police were on their way. You said she clearly made that a known fact.

Well, that's what she said only because i wouldn't try anything 'funny'. ;)

Also, we are talking about a flat tire, not a serious injury.

she was very old in a very old car (probably with not AC) in the TX heat in august


I think you are a good man for doing it.


Thank you for saying so

The only problem she had with you was that you were black. As a black man myself, I just wouldn't put up with it because I don't have too.

Like i said, she was very old and grew up in a very different time. I understand what you're saying, i really do, and i have walked away from other incidents. But in this case, i just couldn't help myself:D

[Swolt]

Mocking the MSM in this thread is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to deflect attention from the subject of this thread... indeed, it DOES come off as an attempt to justify the white supremacists...

Now, in your case I think it was just a knee-jerk right wing reaction, rather than racism, but the net effect is pretty much the same...

Perhaps if you did not wish to address the topic at hand, you should have stayed out of this thread, because you've sure made yourself appear sympathetic to this jagoffs...


No racist here. Listening to Lil wayne as we speak. Consider myself a realist. I also support a predominately black team.:star:

[ethiostar]

Outstanding. You sir, are a man whom I would shake hands with any day and be proud to call friend.

Thanks for the kind words Hos.

[ethiostar]

No racist here. Listening to Lil wayne as we speak. Consider myself a realist. I also support a predominately black team.:star:
:lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

I'm just glad you didn't say you know some black people.

[bbgun]

Mocking the MSM in this thread is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to deflect attention from the subject of this thread... indeed, it DOES come off as an attempt to justify the white supremacists......

Not unlike Obama's use of his dear sweet nanna to deflect attention away from the poisonous Rev. Wright.

That there are small-minded people out there is right up there with "dog bites man." Just ask Sarah Palin or the Mormon Church. Of course, the MSM is only concerned with one particular form of bigotry emanating from one particular demographic. Obama's election notwithstanding, the MSM and the racial bean counters will continue to push the notion of an irredeemably racist nation. It's too damn lucrative not to.

Now, in your case I think it was just a knee-jerk right wing reaction, rather than racism, but the net effect is pretty much the same...

That's a pretty harsh standard to hold anyone to. Then again, I'm used to that kind of mentality in the Fan Zone.

Perhaps if you did not wish to address the topic at hand, you should have stayed out of this thread, because you've sure made yourself appear sympathetic to this jagoffs.

Instead of hurling reckless accusations of racism, maybe you should get your overactive imagination under control. No need to invent faux racists when there are so many of the real thing.

[silverbear]

Not unlike Obama's use of his dear sweet nanna to deflect attention away from the poisonous Rev. Wright.

Nope, no different at all...

But what exactly does that have to do with the recent upsurge in white supremacist violence?? Are you afraid to address that issue??

Instead of hurling reckless accusations of racism, maybe you should get your overactive imagination under control. No need to invent faux racists when there are so many of the real thing.

Sorry, but I DO see the way this thread has been hijacked as being rather racist... rather than deal with the ignorant jagoffs doing this stuff, some of y'all tried to turn this back into yet another attack on Obama...

To me, that's tantamount to an endorsement of the white supremacist violence... to me, the ONLY proper response to the original post in this thread would have been to condemn those performing these acts...

[MilesAustinforMVP]

I did?? Where?? Or are you so dense as to think that mocking the agenda-driven MSM is an endorsement of the KKK? Probably so.

BTW, how long have you gone without accusing someone of racial, religious or sexual bigotry? Five minutes? It seems to be your standard (lame) strategy.
I suspect the creator of this thread intended this to be a bashing session of the KKK. Interestingly enough you divert the discussion to false notions of bigotry towards whites. Why did you feel the need to do this? Seems sort of like an indirect defense of the KKK to me.

[bbgun]

I suspect the creator of this thread intended this to be a bashing session of the KKK. Interestingly enough you divert the discussion to false notions of bigotry towards whites. Why did you feel the need to do this? Seems sort of like an indirect defense of the KKK to me.

The KKK doesn't like black people? It's rattled by Obama's victory? STOP THE PRESSES!

Sorry, but that's hardly an earth-shattering revelation. Nor does it qualify as "news." Why? Because it isn't new. They're reacting as we'd expect them to react: badly. You know what is news? Anti-Mormon thuggery by radical gay leftists nationwide, replete with physical attacks, vandalism, economic boycotts, and modern-day blacklists. What you won't see is a similar article entitled "Gay Extremists Lash Out Over Prop 8 Defeat" or "Black and Hispanic Voters Prove Crucial in Defeating Gay Marriage." Gotta protect the minorities, you see. White Christians? Screw 'em.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

The KKK doesn't like black people? It's rattled by Obama's victory? STOP THE PRESSES!

Sorry, but that's hardly an earth-shattering revelation. Nor does it qualify as "news." Why? Because it isn't new. They're reacting as we'd expect them to react: badly. You know what is news? Anti-Mormon thuggery by radical gay leftists nationwide, replete with physical attacks, vandalism, economic boycotts, and modern-day blacklists. What you won't see is a similar article entitled "Gay Extremists Lash Out Over Prop 8 Defeat" or "Black and Hispanic Voters Prove Crucial in Defeating Gay Marriage." Gotta protect the minorities, you see. White Christians? Screw 'em.
First of all those are isolated incidents. The vast majority of them carry on peaceful protests.

Second of all you are doing it again. You are diverting the discussion. Why do you have such a problem with people bashing the KKK?

[iceberg]

I find it interesting, how quickly the subject of this thread was hijacked from sundry offenses committed by white supremacists since Obama's election...

It's almost like some of you think such activity is justified, even patriotic...

i think it's pathetic. but i thought it was pathetic bush was called all the stupid things he was called while in office also. i think it was pathetic for the left to paint gitmo as "gulag" conditions when they knew it was a lie.

they sure said it was patriotic when asked.

[bbgun]

First of all those are isolated incidents. The vast majority of them carry on peaceful protests.

Only the violence was isolated. Everything else is coordinated, including attempts to shut down Sundance.

Second of all you are doing it again. You are diverting the discussion.

Yes, I get to do that. Welcome to democracy.

Why do you have such a problem with people bashing the KKK?

Nothing, if that's how you choose to waste your time. The real issue is press bias/incuriosity. And it goes without saying that you forfeit the right to ***** about racism or the KKK when you vote for Rev. Wright's protege.

[vta]

i think it's pathetic. but i thought it was pathetic bush was called all the stupid things he was called while in office also. i think it was pathetic for the left to paint gitmo as "gulag" conditions when they knew it was a lie.

they sure said it was patriotic when asked.

The hypocrisy will not be widely acknowledged, you can be sure.
Any post for the last 8 years, no matter the subject was twisted to have some kind of Bush slant to it, in the derogatory.

Now there appears to be strict guidelines with which to follow, so as not to stray from the initial topic.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

Nothing, if that's how you choose to waste your time. The real issue is press bias/incuriosity. And it goes without saying that you forfeit the right to ***** about racism or the KKK when you vote for Rev. Wright's protege.

And here you go again defending the KKK. You can't stop yourself. Why?

[bbgun]

And here you go again defending the KKK. You can't stop yourself. Why?

Too dumb for words. You're painfully incapable of following any kind of argument. Good night.

[silverbear]

Nothing, if that's how you choose to waste your time. The real issue is press bias/incuriosity.

Not in this thread, it isn't... if you wish to start yet another thread about press bias, by all means do so...

Or are you arguing that that woman who got murdered at the KKK rally is the press' fault??

And it goes without saying that you forfeit the right to ***** about racism or the KKK when you vote for Rev. Wright's protege.

Now you're equating Obama with the KKK??

Congratulations, you're now as far gone as burmafraud and irvin and bach...

[bbgun]

Now you're equating Obama with the KKK??

Not quite. The closer parallel would be Trinity Church. No hooded robes, but plenty of racial hate. And spare me the "It's just a black thang" double standard. You can't put a smiley face on bigotry. Electing the servant of a preacher of hate, and then having the temerity to whine about racial unrest in this country, cannot be logically or morally reconciled.

[silverbear]

Not quite. The closer parallel would be Trinity Church. No hooded robes, but plenty of racial hate. And spare me the "It's just a black thang" double standard.

I had no intention of doing any such thing... instead, I'll point out that you're lying right now-- you said, and I quote:

"you forfeit the right to ***** about racism or the KKK when you vote for Rev. Wright's protege"

And who is "Rev. Wright's protege"?? Why that would be Barack Obama, and you know it...

If you're gonna call the guy a bigot, at least be a man about it...

Electing the servant of a preacher of hate

Do you even realize how completely ASININE it is to call Obama a "servant of a preacher of hate"??

He was a freakin' parishioner there, and he denounced the Reverend Wrong in no uncertain terms... some "servant"...

I guess I don't get as upset over the Reverend Wrong as you do because I understand Obama's take on things... my own paternal grandfather was a REAL piece of work, a semi-legendary bar brawler in Hagerstown, Maryland back in the 30s and 40s, and I'm pretty sure he did indeed have a white sheet hanging in his closet...

But for his flaws, I loved ol' Red, if only because he positively doted on me and my brother... I cringed when I was with him and he showed his bigotry... ironically, he lived in Alexandria, Virginia as an old man, a very black neighborhood, so he had lots of opportunities to sound off about what he thought about black people, to their faces...

I hated his bigotry, still loved the man... he embarrassed me, but right up until his death, I could never have brought myself to disavow him... guess you can't comprehend such things, but I can...

[iceberg]

Do you even realize how completely ASININE it is to call Obama a "servant of a preacher of hate"??

bush was called a lot of asinine things too, sb. it's what people who live in the extremes on either side do.

but obama did go to that church for 20 years and only left because of public outcry during his election run. that much is a fact. how much obama believed it or practiced it is another matter. for myself, i know i'd not go to a church that preached hate and racism in either direction as a mainstay.

[Maikeru-sama]

bush was called a lot of asinine things too, sb. it's what people who live in the extremes on either side do.

but obama did go to that church for 20 years and only left because of public outcry during his election run. that much is a fact. how much obama believed it or practiced it is another matter. for myself, i know i'd not go to a church that preached hate and racism in either direction as a mainstay.

Let's be honest here.

There are a TON of churches that preach hate on a weekly basis in the United States.

You don't necessarily get the Racists Rhetoric, but you do get hate sermons about Gays, Sinners etc etc.

Barack Obama should never have attended that church, but then again, I was disappointed in George W. Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University.

[iceberg]

Let's be honest here.

There are a TON of churches that preach hate on a weekly basis in the United States.

You don't necessarily get the Racists Rhetoric, but you do get hate sermons about Gays, Sinners etc etc.

Barack Obama should never have attended that church, but then again, I was disappointed in George W. Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University.

i'm not saying i know obama's mindset. i am saying i've never been to a church that preached hate. the strangest one i ever went to was a charasmatic catholic service where the priest played the tamborine and strange singing went on. my brother went to one w/a girlfriend where they spoke in tongues. that was kinda messed up.

if i heard someone talking that much hate in public i'd either speak up against it or walk away. but i'd not sit and watch. but this is what *i* would do. if obama felt it were not *wrong* why quit and leave his "mentor" - (words of his own choosing are they not? i really don't know but did obama ever call wright his mentor? if so, that's a bit more than just going to that church)

i've seen it said he was his mentor but not obama saying it.

in any event, it is an issue for him now and will be used for max-value by those who don't like him and i hate that as much as i hate anyone doing that.

[Bach]

Let's be honest here.

There are a TON of churches that preach hate on a weekly basis in the United States.

You don't necessarily get the Racists Rhetoric, but you do get hate sermons about Gays, Sinners etc etc.

Barack Obama should never have attended that church, but then again, I was disappointed in George W. Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University.

So you're equating sermons about homosexuals and sinners with Racist Rhetoric? Really?

[Phrozen Phil]

Outstanding. You sir, are a man whom I would shake hands with any day and be proud to call friend.

Let me echo that sentiment. At a time when it would be easy to walk away (with justification) you reached out a little further and made a difference.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

So you're equating sermons about homosexuals and sinners with Racist Rhetoric? Really?
I didn't got through all of Reverend Wrights speeches so I honestly don't know, but where did he say that he hated whites?

[Bach]

I didn't got through all of Reverend Wrights speeches so I honestly don't know, but where did he say that he hated whites?

Go through his speeches and then get back with me. Plus there's a difference between racist rhetoric and flat out saying you hate whites.

[MilesAustinforMVP]

Go through his speeches and then get back with me. Plus there's a difference between racist rhetoric and flat out saying you hate whites.
Well I went through a few of them before (the most famous ones) and I didn't see any racist rhetoric, could you please point these out to me.

[Bach]

Well I went through a few of them before (the most famous ones) and I didn't see any racist rhetoric, could you please point these out to me.

Here's some:

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[MilesAustinforMVP]

Here's some:

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I can't listen to it right now, could you provide me with a transcript of the relevant quotes.

[Bach]

I can't listen to it right now, could you provide me with a transcript of the relevant quotes.

No. Look it up yourself.

It's bad enough I have to provide you with your welfare check.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Closed.