Office of the President Elect?

[Rackat]

I don't recall any past President Elect's using such a sign on their podiums. Is this new, or did I just not notice it with Bush/Clinton/Bush/Reagan?

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2008/11/24/112408obamateam4.jpg

[Aikbach]

They didn't, this is simply a "change".

[Bach]

It's just another sign of Obama's ego.

[VCDefectors]

You'll have to forgive the eagerness of the majority of American voters wanting to get going with a new presidency. While it's true that it isn't normal for a president-elect to begin acting so quickly, very few president-elects are faced with such a huge mess to clean up. So try to understand and don't get your panties in a wad (so to speak).

[Bach]

It has nothing to do with acting quickly. There is no and never has been an "office of the President-elect". It's just more of Obama's B.S.

And, I can hardly wait to see the mess Barry-O makes the next 4 years.

[theogt]

It just kinda looks silly.

[Sasquatch]

It has nothing to do with acting quickly. There is no and never has been an "office of the President-elect". It's just more of Obama's B.S.

And, I can hardly wait to see the mess Barry-O makes the next 4 years.

I think it's more an indication of how desperate the nation is for genuine leadership in these uncertain times than Obama's ego. Circumstances are forcing him to take a more assertive and prominent role than is customary.

[Bach]

I think it's more an indication of how desperate the nation is for genuine leadership in these uncertain times than Obama's ego. Circumstances are forcing him to take a more assertive and prominent role than is customary.

Yeah, riiiight.

This is all the same as when he came up with the mock Presidential seal during his campaign. It's just more over the top ego-driven B.S.

[Rackat]

I think it's more an indication of how desperate the nation is for genuine leadership in these uncertain times than Obama's ego. Circumstances are forcing him to take a more assertive and prominent role than is customary.
I call BS.

He has no authority. He is not able to do anything at all. This picture is representative of an ego run amok. That is not leadership, it is pomposity.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah, riiiight.

This is all the same as when he came up with the mock Presidential seal during his campaign. It's just more over the top ego-driven B.S.

You do know that he was not the first person to do the mock presidential seal during a campaign.

Now I don't recall anyone doing the president elect sign before.

[Sasquatch]

I call BS.

He has no authority. He is not able to do anything at all. This picture is representative of an ego run amok. That is not leadership, it is pomposity.

The market's response to the announcement of his Treasury Secretary has nothing to do with people looking to him and the incoming administration to fill the leadership void in Washington. It's all about his ego. :rolleyes:

[Bach]

You do know that he was not the first person to do the mock presidential seal during a campaign.

Now I don't recall anyone doing the president elect sign before.

I didn't say he was the first to do the mock seal. But that in combination with this 'office of the president-elect' is just more of his grandiose egotistical showmanship.

In the grand scheme of things it's relatively meaningless, other than showing what type of ego this man has.

[Rackat]

The market's response to the announcement of his Treasury Secretary has nothing to do with people looking to him and the incoming administration to fill the leadership void in Washington. It's all about his ego. :rolleyes:
What has his Secretary of the Treasury done? Nothing. His name was given as the person that will occupy the office.

January 20th, they will have authority, until then they do not.

[Sasquatch]

I didn't say he was the first to do the mock seal. But that in combination with this 'office of the president-elect' is just more of his grandiose egotistical showmanship.

In the grand scheme of things it's relatively meaningless, other than showing what type of ego this man has.

I personally think it's shrewd given the fact that many people couldn't envision him as president when this whole process began. Displaying Obama in presidential trappings time and again will make people more and more comfortable with the prospect of him being president by the time he actually takes office.

[Sasquatch]

January 20th, they will have authority, until then they do not.

Legally speaking, perhaps not, but he certainly has moral authority and the ability to influence congress, markets, and the general population.

Mind you, what you find so objectionable is only possible because a weary nation has lost all confidence in the current administration and is desperately looking to Obama for the leadership it feels the country needs.

[VCDefectors]

Unfortunately for some of you, the urgency of the economic crisis mandates that Obama takes action now and not wait until 1/20/2009. Obama is not imposing on anybody. His participation and his action is being demanded. So just relax, listen to some bossa nova, and oh yes....DEAL!

[bbgun]

That preening, presumptuous piece of **** has been using that phony seal since July. It's about as genuine as he is.

[Bach]

I personally think it's shrewd given the fact that many people couldn't envision him as president when this whole process began. Displaying Obama in presidential trappings time and again will make people more and more comfortable with the prospect of him being president by the time he actually takes office.

No doubt it's all imagery with no substance, kind of like the candidate himself.

[Bach]

In other news, plans are underway for the construction of the Barack Hussein Obama President-elect library. Footage at 11....

[silverbear]

I call BS.

He has no authority. He is not able to do anything at all.

ROTFLMAO... look at you, getting all upset at a sign that is entirely accurate...

He IS the President-Elect, and he most assuredly has an office, so what's the problem??

Answer-- you don't wanna be reminded that he's the President-Elect... it amuses me greatly to contemplate the apoplexy of guys like you in about 8 weeks, when he removes the "Elect" from that title...

[REDVOLUTION]

I wasnt for Obama.

But even I dont have a problem with the signage.

Times changes... things like "adding" that sign to the podium is a sign of doing things differently(nothing to do with Obama change)... just different. If I was elected Pres and they had never had a sign like that I would say make me one. lol


I also know why I dont post in this forum anymore... cant talk common sense and reason re: politics.

[burmafrd]

Already having to make excuses, eh Sasqie. Not a good "sign".

[Maikeru-sama]

Pretty stupid.

Barack Obama has actually been criticized in some circles for not asserting himself enough.

Many economists will tell you that we are facing a financial crisis, that if something isn't done, could be the worst since the Great Depression.

President-Elect, Barack Obama had to call that press conference to introduce his Economic Team during this complete meltdown.

[burmafrd]

You really do not get it do you Maikeru? Maybe you need a course in US Government, especially history, as regards moving from one administration to the next.

[Rackat]

ROTFLMAO... look at you, getting all upset at a sign that is entirely accurate...

He IS the President-Elect, and he most assuredly has an office, so what's the problem??

Answer-- you don't wanna be reminded that he's the President-Elect... it amuses me greatly to contemplate the apoplexy of guys like you in about 8 weeks, when he removes the "Elect" from that title...
There is no "Office of the President Elect". There is an "Office of the President". The problem is that Mr. Obama is being a presumptios, pompous ***. For well over two hundred years the transition from President to President has never included an "Office of the President Elect". To me, it just shows his arrogance.

When January 20th rolls around, I will once again be reminded that my country is phenonominal. We transition power without bloodshed or military coups. We still elect our leaders and they still ultimately answer to the people of this great nation. However, I like you for the last 8 years will also be reminded that not everyone in this great nation agrees with my views and that if enough of them vote for the candidate I disagree with, I still have to live with him/her as my President for at least 4 years.

Unlike some idiots on the left that threatened but never carried through with moving to another country because their candidate wasn't elected, I will remain steadfast in my support of my country and yes, it's leader. It's called loyalty to the country. It's called belief that no matter what, we are going to make it through the troubled times ahead.

I do not like Mr. Obama's politics. They are entirely too socialist for my tastes. But, I respect the Office of the President of the United States and the awesome power that comes with awesome responsibility of that Office. There is no power in the Office of the President Elect. It is a made up office for a made up man.

Apoplexy? No. Loyal opposition? yes.

[Maikeru-sama]

There is no "Office of the President Elect". There is an "Office of the President". The problem is that Mr. Obama is being a presumptios, pompous ***. For well over two hundred years the transition from President to President has never included an "Office of the President Elect". To me, it just shows his arrogance.

When January 20th rolls around, I will once again be reminded that my country is phenonominal. We transition power without bloodshed or military coups. We still elect our leaders and they still ultimately answer to the people of this great nation. However, I like you for the last 8 years will also be reminded that not everyone in this great nation agrees with my views and that if enough of them vote for the candidate I disagree with, I still have to live with him/her as my President for at least 4 years.

Unlike some idiots on the left that threatened but never carried through with moving to another country because their candidate wasn't elected, I will remain steadfast in my support of my country and yes, it's leader. It's called loyalty to the country. It's called belief that no matter what, we are going to make it through the troubled times ahead.

I do not like Mr. Obama's politics. They are entirely too socialist for my tastes. But, I respect the Office of the President of the United States and the awesome power that comes with awesome responsibility of that Office. There is no power in the Office of the President Elect. It is a made up office for a made up man.

Apoplexy? No. Loyal opposition? yes.

To sum up this post.

I never liked Barack Obama in the first place and I am going to criticize him every chance I get.

These same people jumped all over the extreme liberals for constantly whining about George W. Bush.

Wonderful.

[Rackat]

To sum up this post.

I never liked Barack Obama in the first place and I am going to criticize him every chance I get.

These same people jumped all over the extreme liberals for constantly whining about George W. Bush.

Wonderful.
To sum up this post:

I think I know what this person is thinking so I am going to be snide and presume to interpret the post.

[Maikeru-sama]

To sum up this post:

I think I know what this person is thinking so I am going to be snide and presume to interpret the post.

You never liked the man anyway. If George W. Bush had done the same thing, a thread like this is never made.

Whether you want to admit that or not, that's up to you.

No matter what experts you listen too, whether they lean left, right, a College Professor or someone working in the Private Sector, they all say the Economy is bordering on the brink of disaster.

If this unique circumstance isn't present, Barack Obama never holds that Press Conference to introduce his economic team.

I even heard some of the folks on Fox News a few weeks ago talking about how he needed to present his economic team and appoint a Secretary of the Treasury.

[Rackat]

You never liked the man anyway. If George W. Bush had done the same thing, a thread like this is never made.

Whether you want to admit that or not, that's up to you.

No matter what experts you listen too, whether they lean left, right, a College Professor or someone working in the Private Sector, they all say the Economy is bordering on the brink of disaster.

If this unique circumstance isn't present, Barack Obama never holds that Press Conference to introduce his economic team.

I even heard some of the folks on Fox News a few weeks ago talking about how he needed to present his economic team and appoint a Secretary of the Treasury.
Which all has jack to do with creating an "Office of the President Elect". Did you read the original post?

[Bach]

You never liked the man anyway. If George W. Bush had done the same thing, a thread like this is never made.



Yet he didn't do that did he? Just like no other incoming President has done that. It's because Bush, like his predecessors knew the proper etiquette and respect involved in the transition.

Rackat nailed it, Obama is a pompous ***

[Maikeru-sama]

Noted Republican, frequent host of the No Spin Zone and Barack Obama opponent Michelle Malkin's blog asking what the Office of the President-Elect:


November 7, 2008 04:18 PM

What the hell is the “Office of the President-Elect?”


She later provides an update to her blog stating that the mystery had been solved:


Update: Mystery solved? Reader Patrick e-mails a link to the Presidential Transition Act of 1963: (http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?noc=T&contentType=GSA_BASIC&contentId=24780)


link (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/07/what-the-hell-is-the-office-of-the-president-elect/)


Presidential Transition Act of 1963
Public Law 88-277




Eighty-eighth Congress of the United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday, the seventh day of January, on one thousand nine hundred and sixty-four


An Act

To promote the orderly transfer of the executive power in connection with the expiration of the term of office of a President and the Inauguration of a new President.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That this Act may be cited as the “President Transition Act of 1963”

PURPOSE OF THIS ACT

Sec. 2. The Congress declares it to be the purpose of the Act to promote the orderly transfer of the executive power in connection with the expiration of the term of office of a President and the inauguration of a new President. The national interest requires that such transitions in the office of President be accomplished so as to assure continuity in the faithful execution of the laws and in the conduct of the affairs of the Federal Government, both domestic and foreign. Any disruption occasioned by the transfer of the executive power could produce results detrimental to the safety and well-being of the United States and its people. Accordingly, it is the intent of the Congress that appropriate actions be authorized and taken to avoid or minimize any disruption. In addition to the specific provisions contained in this Act directed toward that purpose, it is the intent of the Congress that all officers of the Government so conduct the affairs of the Government for which the exercise responsibility and authority as (1) to be mindful of problems occasioned by transitions in the office of President, (2) to take appropriate lawful steps to avoid or minimize disruptions that might be occasioned by the transfer of the executive power, and (3) otherwise to promote orderly transitions in the office of President.

SERVICES AND FACILITIES AUTHORIZED TO BE PROVIDED TO PRESIDENTS-ELECT AND VICE PRESIDENTS-ELECT

Sec. 3 (a) The Administrator of General Services, referred to hereafter in this Act as “the Administrator,” is authorized to provide, upon request, to each President-elect and each Vice President-elect, for use in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as President or Vice President necessary services and facilities, including-

(1) Suitable office space appropriately equipped with furniture, furnishings, office machines and equipment, and office supplies as determined by the Administrator, after consultation with the President-elect, the Vice-President elect, or their designee provided for in subsection (e) of this section, at such place or places within the United States as the President-elect or Vice-President-elect shall designate;

(2) Payment of the compensation of members of office staffs designated by the President-elect or vice-President-elect at rates determined by them not to exceed the rate provided by the Classification Act of 1949, as amended, for grade GS-18: Provided, That any employee of any agency of any branch of the Government may be detailed to such staffs on a reimbursable or non reimbursable basis with the consent of the head of the agency; and while so detailed such employee shall be responsible only to the President or Vice-President-elect for the performance of his duties: Provided further, That any employee so detailed shall continue to receive the compensation provided pursuant to law for his regular employment, and shall retain the rights and privileges of such employment without interruption. Notwithstanding any other law, persons receiving compensation as members of office staffs under this subsection, other than those detailed from agencies, shall not be held or considered to be employees of the Federal Government except for purposes of the Civil Service Retirement Act, the Federal Employee’s Compensation Act, the Federal Employees Group Life Insurance Act of 1954, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Act of 1959;

(3) Payment of expenses for the procurement of services of experts or consultants or organizations thereof for the President-elect or Vice-President-elect, as authorized for the head of any department by section 15 of the Administrative Expenses Act of 1946, as amended (5 U.S.C. 55a), at rates not to exceed $100 per diem for individuals;

(4) Payment of travel expenses and subsistence allowances, including rental of Government or hired motor vehicles, found necessary by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect, as authorized for persons employed intermittently or for persons serving without compensation by section 5 of the Administrative Expenses Act of 1946, as amended (5 U.S.C. 73b-2), as may be appropriate;

(5) Communications services found necessary by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect;

(6) Payment of expenses for necessary printing and binding, notwithstanding the Act of January 12th, 1895, and the Act of March 1, 1919, as amended (44 U.S.C. 111);

(7) Reimbursement to the postal revenues in amounts equivalent to the postage that would otherwise be payable on mail matter referred to in subsection (d) of this section.

(b) The Administrator shall expend no funds for the provision of services and facilities under this Act in connection with any obligations incurred by the President-elect or Vice-President-elect before the day following the date of the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice President in accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2, or after the inauguration of the President-elect as President and the inauguration of the Vice-President-elect as Vice President.

(c) The terms “President-elect” and “Vice-President-elect” as used in this Act shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful candidates for the office of the President and Vice President, respectively, as ascertained by the Administrator following the general elections held to determine the electors of the President and Vice-President in accordance with title 3, United States code, sections 1 and 2.

(d) Each President-elect shall be entitled to conveyance within the United States and its territories and possessions of all mail matter, including airmail, sent by him in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as President, and such mail matter shall be transmitted as penalty mail as provided n title 39, United States Code, section 4152. Each Vice-President-elect shall be entitled to conveyance within the United States and its territories and possession of all mail matter, including airmail, sent by him under his written autograph signature in connection with his preparations for the assumption of official duties as Vice President.

(e) Each President-elect and Vice-President-elect may designate to the Administrator an assistant authorized to make on his behalf such designations or findings of necessity as may be required in connection with the services and facilities to be provided under this Act. Not more than 10 per centum of the total expenditures under this Act for any President-elect or Vice-President-elect may be made upon the basis of a certificate by him or the assistant designated by him pursuant to this section that such expenditures are classified and are essential to the national security, and that they accord with the provisions of subsections (a), (b), and (d) of this section.

(f) In the case where the President-elect is the incumbent President or in the case where the Vice-President-elect is the incumbent Vice President, there shall be no expenditures or funds for the provisions of services and facilities to such incumbent under this Act, and any funds appropriated for such purposes shall be returned to the general funds of the Treasury.

SERVICES AND FACILITIES AUTHORIZED TO BE PROVIDED TO FORMER PRESIDENTS AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENTS

Sec. 4. The Administrator is authorized to provide, upon request, to each former President and each former Vice President, for a period not to exceed six months from the date of the expiration of his term of office as President or Vice President, for use in connection with winding up the affairs of his office, necessary services and facilities of the same general character as authorized by this act to be provided to Presidents-elect and Vice Presidents-elect. Any person appointed or detailed to serve a former President or former Vice President under authority of this section shall be appointed or detailed in accordance with, and shall be subject to, all of the provisions of section 3 of this Act applicable to persons appointed or detailed under authority of that section. The provisions of the Act of August 25, 1958 (72 Stat. 838 3; U.S.C. 102, note), other than subsections (a) and (e) shall not become effective with respect to a former President until six months after the expiration of his term of office as President.


AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS

Sec. 5. There are hereby authorized to be appropriated to the Administrator such funds as may be necessary for carrying out the purposes of this Act but not to exceed $900,000 for any one Presidential transition, to remain available during the fiscal year in which the transition occurs and the next succeeding fiscal year. The President shall include in the budget transmitted to the Congress, for each fiscal year in which his regular term of office will expire, a proposed appropriation for carrying out the purposes of this Act.


Approved March 7, 1964


the Presidential Transition Act of 1963 (http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/contentView.do?contentType=GSA_BASIC&contentId=24780)

[Rackat]

SERVICES AND FACILITIES AUTHORIZED TO BE PROVIDED TO PRESIDENTS-ELECT AND VICE PRESIDENTS-ELECT

Services and Facilities.

Thanks for posting this information. It's nice to learn something about the transition I didn't know before.

So, Mr. Obama extrapolated on this Act and created his "Office". Does it not strike you as odd that no other President Elect has ever felt the need to create the title of "Office of the President Elect"? I suppose technically it is correct, I still find it quite arrogant that he is the only one that has used such title.

[Maikeru-sama]

Services and Facilities.

Thanks for posting this information. It's nice to learn something about the transition I didn't know before.

So, Mr. Obama extrapolated on this Act and created his "Office". Does it not strike you as odd that no other President Elect has ever felt the need to create the title of "Office of the President Elect"? I suppose technically it is correct, I still find it quite arrogant that he is the only one that has used such title.

I have no idea if another candidate has done this or not.

However, as I stated we are facing a very serious Financial Crisis. Conservatives, Liberals, Professors and Private Sector Economists have stated that this is one of the worst Credit Crisis possibly ever seen.

If we are not facing this Crisis, Barack Obama doesn't hold that press conference.

Extraordinary times sometimes calls for unprecedented measures to be taken.

[Rowdy]

Extraordinary times sometimes calls for unprecedented measures to be taken.

And that very statement will be Obama's mantra for what he will do to this country in the next four years.

[Bach]

I have no idea if another candidate has done this or not.

However, as I stated we are facing a very serious Financial Crisis. Conservatives, Liberals, Professors and Private Sector Economists have stated that this is one of the worst Credit Crisis possibly ever seen.

If we are not facing this Crisis, Barack Obama doesn't hold that press conference.

Extraordinary times sometimes calls for unprecedented measures to be taken.

:laugh2:

Obama's here to save the world and no one will let him til January. Oh the humanity.

[Rackat]

I have no idea if another candidate has done this or not.

However, as I stated we are facing a very serious Financial Crisis. Conservatives, Liberals, Professors and Private Sector Economists have stated that this is one of the worst Credit Crisis possibly ever seen.

If we are not facing this Crisis, Barack Obama doesn't hold that press conference.

Extraordinary times sometimes calls for unprecedented measures to be taken.
1980 - transition from Carter to Reagan:
The country is in financial turmoil; OPEC is gouging our eyes out with oil; Iran is holding US ctizens hostage. There is no "extraordinary measure" of creating an office for "Office of the President Elect".

1992 - transition from Bush to Clinton:
The country is coming out of Gulf I; Troops are in Somalia during Operation Restore Hope; Terrorists are blowing up Embassies and US citizens around the world. There is no "extraordinary measure" of creating an office for "Office of the President Elect".

2000 - transition from Clinton to Bush:
The country is still enforcing the No Fly Zone over Iraq; Saddam is threatening our nation and our Allies; Iran is saber rattling again; South Korea is building an Atomic bomb; China and Taiwan. There is no "extraordinary measure" of creating an office for "Office of the President Elect".

I think the pomposity of the creation of this office speaks more to an ego than an extraordinary measure.

[Bach]

But, but, but, we're facing a serious extraordinary crisis Rackat. Doncha understands??? :laugh2:

[burmafrd]

Sooner or later every single President gets humbled-punched in the nose by events and reactions and attacks. It will be very interesting to see how the Messiah reacts when that happens to him.

[sacase]

There is no such thing as an "office of the president elect" its just something the Obama campaign has created. Can you imagine if Bush did this, what kind of backlash the liberals would have? LOL

[BrAinPaiNt]

There is no such thing as an "office of the president elect" its just something the Obama campaign has created. Can you imagine if Bush did this, what kind of backlash the liberals would have? LOL

You might want to read through the thread, before saying something in absolutes. :D

[VietCowboy]

we've also never had a Black President! Why aren't you railing that in breaking tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rackat]

we've also never had a Black President! Why aren't you railing that in breaking tradition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you bringing race into this discussion? It has nothing to do with it. Simply put, race has no place in this discussion.

Maikeru-sama posted relevant information regarding transition. But there was never an "Office of the President Elect" created. It was argued that extraordinary circumstances justified the creation of the office. I countered that argument. What does any of that have to do with Mr. Obama's skin tone?

[sacase]

You might want to read through the thread, before saying something in absolutes. :D

Ok there is on....that Barry-O created. LOL

But what the term "office of the X" implies is that there is power and authority in that office. I understand the Act and it is correct in it provides facilities for the incoming president to get ready to take power, however it does not establish and official "office" with power and authority.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ok there is on....that Barry-O created. LOL

But what the term "office of the X" implies is that there is power and authority in that office. I understand the Act and it is correct in it provides facilities for the incoming president to get ready to take power, however it does not establish and official "office" with power and authority.

So you agree that the act is correct in it provides facilities for the incoming president to get ready to take power however it does not give an official "office" with power and authority.:laugh2:

And it would seem he is not taking authority and exercising no power other than appointing people to his staff or other positions at this time so it would mean people are complaining about a sign on a podium and complaining because nobody has ever done it even though there is an act to have that title.

I gotcha.

:laugh2:

[Maikeru-sama]

Why are you bringing race into this discussion? It has nothing to do with it. Simply put, race has no place in this discussion.

Maikeru-sama posted relevant information regarding transition. But there was never an "Office of the President Elect" created. It was argued that extraordinary circumstances justified the creation of the office. I countered that argument. What does any of that have to do with Mr. Obama's skin tone?

That is not even close to what I said.

I give up.

[Sasquatch]

Carp. v. To find trivial and petty objections. See this thread.

[sacase]

So you agree that the act is correct in it provides facilities for the incoming president to get ready to take power however it does not give an official "office" with power and authority.:laugh2:

And it would seem he is not taking authority and exercising no power other than appointing people to his staff or other positions at this time so it would mean people are complaining about a sign on a podium and complaining because nobody has ever done it even though there is an act to have that title.

I gotcha.

:laugh2:

Personally I think the sign is presumptious. It implies something that is simply not true. Is it really needed? It really amounts to a psychological thing that some people fall for and some don't. I will say he must have an excellent communications person working for him. If he wants to stroke his ego that is fine, but like I said, I would love to see the reaction liberals would have over this if it was McCain or Bush doing it.

[Rackat]

That is not even close to what I said.

I give up.
Did I quote you saying that? Nope. I didn't say that you said it at all. I said it was argued. You can go and see who said it if you'd like.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Personally I think the sign is presumptious. It implies something that is simply not true. Is it really needed? It really amounts to a psychological thing that some people fall for and some don't. I will say he must have an excellent communications person working for him. If he wants to stroke his ego that is fine, but like I said, I would love to see the reaction liberals would have over this if it was McCain or Bush doing it.

There is an act that he can use, just because others did not makes no difference and furthermore it is just a silly sign.

You keep harping about how the libs would go on and on about it if it was McCain and Bush doing it yet you and others are doing it because he has. I guess they would act as silly as some in here about it. :laugh1: I guess you showed those silly libs how they should act.

[Rackat]

There is an act that he can use, just because others did not makes no difference and furthermore it is just a silly sign.

You keep harping about how the libs would go on and on about it if it was McCain and Bush doing it yet you and others are doing it because he has. I guess they would act as silly as some in here about it. :laugh1: I guess you showed those silly libs how they should act.
In the entire Act that was posted, no where does it establish an "Office of the President Elect". It gives the President Elect services and facilities from which to operate during the transition. It may become the norm now that it has been used for the first time. I find it odd that no other President Elect has seen fit to create such a title of office during the transition period.

That silly sign implies a power and authority that just does not exist in the Act quoted nor any other Act or law that I am aware of.

[sacase]

There is an act that he can use, just because others did not makes no difference and furthermore it is just a silly sign.

You keep harping about how the libs would go on and on about it if it was McCain and Bush doing it yet you and others are doing it because he has. I guess they would act as silly as some in here about it. :laugh1: I guess you showed those silly libs how they should act.

Brain,

Your a smart guy I am not sure why you are intentionally trying to misconstrue what I am saying.

I would hope he uses the act. However the act itself does not create any sort of office. The act just aids him in transition.

Think about it, what if I made a sign and said, I have 50 billion dollars and I am better than you. I put it on my car, website and anytime I spoke, you would think I was conceited. The same goes with Obama. Personally, I think he is a joke for doing it, in the grand scheme of things I am not going to waste whole lot of time on it.

Look at how the liberals bash Bush..."Bush peed sitting down, he is violating womens rights!!!! Impeach him!!!!!!" This mentality has been running rampet among libs. Yes conservatives are bashing him, both sides do it, but I have yet to see the rancor that approaches anything Liberals have criticized Bush for.

[WoodysGirl]

Of all the things to rail on, I would think this "office of the president-elect" would be the least of 'em.

Very petty.

[Bach]

It is rather petty. I don't know why Obama feels he has to pull such a stunt.

Also, you want petty, just look at the national attention Palin's wardrobe received.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Brain,

Your a smart guy I am not sure why you are intentionally trying to misconstrue what I am saying.

I would hope he uses the act. However the act itself does not create any sort of office. The act just aids him in transition.

Think about it, what if I made a sign and said, I have 50 billion dollars and I am better than you. I put it on my car, website and anytime I spoke, you would think I was conceited. The same goes with Obama. Personally, I think he is a joke for doing it, in the grand scheme of things I am not going to waste whole lot of time on it.

Look at how the liberals bash Bush..."Bush peed sitting down, he is violating womens rights!!!! Impeach him!!!!!!" This mentality has been running rampet among libs. Yes conservatives are bashing him, both sides do it, but I have yet to see the rancor that approaches anything Liberals have criticized Bush for.

:laugh2: :laugh2: Whatever.

It's a silly sign on a podium and there is an act established already when people said there was nothing prior about president elect status.

But please go on whining about it while at the same time loving the idea of what libs would do if it were bush or mccain doing it. You are just providing what they would do by your own actions.

No, really, keep going, you are doing a great job giving us an example. :lmao:

[Bach]

:laugh2: :laugh2: Whatever.

It's a silly sign on a podium and there is an act established already when people said there was nothing prior about president elect status.


There is no such thing as the office of the President elect.

[sacase]

:laugh2: :laugh2: Whatever.

It's a silly sign on a podium and there is an act established already when people said there was nothing prior about president elect status.

But please go on whining about it while at the same time loving the idea of what libs would do if it were bush or mccain doing it. You are just providing what they would do by your own actions.

No, really, keep going, you are doing a great job giving us an example. :lmao:


well I guess I need to reevaluate my opinion on you. Keep the blinders on bro.

No one said anything about "president elect status" just that there was not "office of the president elect"

[BrAinPaiNt]

well I guess I need to reevaluate my opinion on you. Keep the blinders on bro.

No one said anything about "president elect status" just that there was not "office of the president elect"

But it boils down to getting silly over a sign he has on a podium.

You are just jumping around for an excuse to bash him which is no different than those that bashed bush for similar things.

I don't have blinders on, I see exactly what you are doing.

[WoodysGirl]

It is rather petty. I don't know why Obama feels he has to pull such a stunt.

Also, you want petty, just look at the national attention Palin's wardrobe received.
Thought the wardrobe thing was just as silly.

Just amazes me that even with the election over, the threads that get the most hits have little to nothing to do with policy.

[Maikeru-sama]

But it boils down to getting silly over a sign he has on a podium.

You are just jumping around for an excuse to bash him which is no different than those that bashed bush for similar things.

I don't have blinders on, I see exactly what you are doing.

:hammer:

They act like the guy is unlawfully trying to take over the United States.

But hey, its payback time for how badly George W. Bush was treated.

[Bach]

Thought the wardrobe thing was just as silly.

Just amazes me that even with the election over, the threads that get the most hits have little to nothing to do with policy.

I'm sure we'll get to policies when he actually takes office. And I mean an actual office, not some made up office.

[WoodysGirl]

I'm sure we'll get to policies when he actually takes office. And I mean an actual office, not some made up office.
I wasn't referring to Obama's policies...just policy in general.

[sacase]

But it boils down to getting silly over a sign he has on a podium.

You are just jumping around for an excuse to bash him which is no different than those that bashed bush for similar things.

I don't have blinders on, I see exactly what you are doing.

Don't worry, I will be more than happy to bash him when the time comes, and it will come soon. But I will also praise him when he earns it, as in actually doing something.

I hope he succeeds because I want the country to succeed. But all I see so far is ego, and yes I know I am bias.

But like I said keep the blinders on and keep the excuses coming, he is going to need them.

[Rackat]

This is humorous. The man is using a made up office. Mak had to search for the Act that created the facilities and services set up for the transition. But no where in the act is there an establishment of an office. That sign has implies an authority/power that he does not yet hold, and that in his current capacity is virtually meaningless.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Don't worry, I will be more than happy to bash him when the time comes, and it will come soon. But I will also praise him when he earns it, as in actually doing something.

I hope he succeeds because I want the country to succeed. But all I see so far is ego, and yes I know I am bias.

But like I said keep the blinders on and keep the excuses coming, he is going to need them.

Then maybe you should take your own blinders off.

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is humorous. The man is using a made up office. Mak had to search for the Act that created the facilities and services set up for the transition. But no where in the act is there an establishment of an office. That sign has implies an authority/power that he does not yet hold, and that in his current capacity is virtually meaningless.

Ohhh maybe the Matrix is real and he really is the chosen one!!!! cue evil music. Man that would make some people's head explode if this sign is killing them so much.

You guys sound like keith olbermann when he is always ragging on about the mission accomplished sign.

That's it, you guys are like olberman with the whining.

:laugh1: :laugh2: :lmao2: :lmao:

[Rackat]

Ohhh maybe the Matrix is real and he really is the chosen one!!!! cue evil music. Man that would make some people's head explode if this sign is killing them so much.

You guys sound like keith olbermann when he is always ragging on about the mission accomplished sign.

That's it, you guys are like olberman with the whining.

:laugh1: :laugh2: :lmao2: :lmao:
Wow. You're brilliant. We're on par with Keith olberman for pointing out that Mr. Obama is using a made up office? I guess that's like equating you to Al Franken. No substance.

[sacase]

Then maybe you should take your own blinders off.

we are all bias, those of us who can admit it see much more clearly.

[WoodysGirl]

we are all bias, those of us who can admit it see much more clearly.
You think so? I've always thought bias, admitted or not, left you with a close mind.

[BrAinPaiNt]

we are all bias, those of us who can admit it see much more clearly.

Clear enough for you wearing your blinders to tell someone else to take off their blinders?

Kind of a takes one to know one kind of deal?

[Sasquatch]

This is humorous. The man is using a made up office.

This thread provides the perfect illustration of why the extreme right is so out of step with mainstream America. I'm guessing that for the average voter out there made-up WMD > made-up Office of President Elect logo. Please, keep on harping on this as a major character flaw.

That sign has implies an authority/power that he does not yet hold, and that in his current capacity is virtually meaningless.

So you're essentially accusing of Obama of unlawfully usurping presidential authority, i.e. treason? That little troublemaker.

[sacase]

You think so? I've always thought bias, admitted or not, left you with a close mind.

Nope, not at all. I am right of center, I see things from that viewpoint. However, I know that is how I see things and I try to see things from other points of view becuase I know that my view point is slanted right of center. We all have our biases, if you don't admit to it then you are truly blind.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wow. You're brilliant. We're on par with Keith olberman for pointing out that Mr. Obama is using a made up office? I guess that's like equating you to Al Franken. No substance.

Yes, considering this topic it is indeed of no substance and comedy.

You finally got it olberman.

[sacase]

This thread provides the perfect illustration of why the extreme right is so out of step with mainstream America. I'm guessing that for the average voter out there made-up WMD > made-up Office of President Elect logo. Please, keep on harping on this as a major character flaw.



So you're essentially accusing of Obama of unlawfully usurping presidential authority, i.e. treason? That little troublemaker.

No he has not usurpted any authority. Personally I find it amusing that he is doing it but whatever floats his boat. Even though there is a pesky little Title 18 USC, that he has violated but meh, whatever.

[Rackat]

Yes, considering this topic it is indeed of no substance and comedy.

You finally got it olberman.
I'm pleasantly surprised that you agree that you have no substance. Thanks Al.

[Sasquatch]

Apoplexy? No. Loyal opposition? yes.

Sounds like opposition without a cause if this is what you're getting apoplectic about.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm pleasantly surprised that you agree that you have no substance. Thanks Al.

Not a problem at all, and thanks Quayle. :laugh1:

[WoodysGirl]

Nope, not at all. I am right of center, I see things from that viewpoint. However, I know that is how I see things and I try to see things from other points of view becuase I know that my view point is slanted right of center. We all have our biases, if you don't admit to it then you are truly blind.Being aware of your biases, doesn't mean they don't still taint your views on certain things. I get that you try to keep an open mind, but biases will always keep your mind limited to something you would ordinarily object to.

[Rackat]

Not a problem at all, and thanks Quayle. :laugh1:
Now, that is below the belt. I've never mispelled potato. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Now, that is below the belt. I've never mispelled potato. :laugh2:

:laugh2: Good to know that you realize I am just playing.:cool:

[Rackat]

:laugh2: Good to know that you realize I am just playing.:cool:

Johnny Ringo: I was just fooling about.
Doc: I wasn't.

Heh, potato is easy. It's chrysanthim...chrisanthum... that one flower that I have a hard time spelling.

[sacase]

Being aware of your biases, doesn't mean they don't still taint your views on certain things. I get that you try to keep an open mind, but biases will always keep your mind limited to something you would ordinarily object to.

Here is the thing, everyone has biases. What's better, to know you are bias in some ways or to refuse to belive you have bias. There is no one on this board who can say they are unbias.

[ethiostar]

Six pages for a stupid sign on a podium?

:laugh1:

This zone is going to explode sometime in the next year.








P.S. That wasn't some kind of a terrorist threat. :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Six pages for a stupid sign on a podium?

:laugh1:

This zone is going to explode sometime in the next year.








P.S. That wasn't some kind of a terrorist threat. :D


Lies, I seen you doing a terrorist fist bump with Miles.

:p:

[zrinkill]

Lies, I seen you doing a terrorist fist bump with Miles.

:p:

Miles would prefer to let ethio suffer for the cause.

;)

[ethiostar]

Lies, I seen you doing a terrorist fist bump with Miles.

:p:

We terrorists don't call them fist bumps, fist bombs is more appropriate. :p:

[ethiostar]

Miles would prefer to let ethio suffer for the cause.

;)

Can't even trust one of my own, what's this world coming to.:D

[BrAinPaiNt]

Can't even trust one of my own, what's this world coming to.:D

Your new code name is Bundt Cake.

:laugh2:

[ethiostar]

Your new code name is Bundt Cake.

:laugh2:

Can i just go by Chocolate Bundt? :D

http://www.finkbuilt.com/static/images/articles/cake5.gif

Looks like a harmless blue print for a Bundt Cake but....... well you know it's more insidious.

[sacase]

Can i just go by Chocolate Bundt? :D

http://www.finkbuilt.com/static/images/articles/cake5.gif

Looks like a harmless blue print for a Bundt Cake but....... well you know it's more insidious.

You wouldn't be from Dire Dawa or Jijiga would you? :cool:

[ethiostar]

You wouldn't be from Dire Dawa or Jijiga would you? :cool:

No, but why do you ask, do they like budnt cake over there?

[sacase]

No, but why do you ask, do they like budnt cake over there?

OK I won't have to keep my eye on you. Your free to go. Nothing to see move along, no terrorist over here. :o:

[ethiostar]

OK I won't have to keep my eye on you. Your free to go. Nothing to see move along, no terrorist over here. :o:

Are you saying those in Dire Dewa and Jijiga are terrorists, or some of them are? I'm curious to know what you know about them and the politics of the country as a whole.

[sacase]

Are you saying those in Dire Dewa and Jijiga are terrorists, or some of them are? I'm curious to know what you know about them and the politics of the country as a whole.

Hmm, let's see would you like to know Meles's rise to power? The Oromo people's history? Problems with the ONLF, OLF or AIAI (AIAI-O) in and around Jijiga Dire Dawa?

Edit: I am not saying that people from those cities are terrorists. I made some good friends there. But there several issues in the Ogaden.

[ethiostar]

Hmm, let's see would you like to know Meles's rise to power? The Oromo people's history? Problems with the ONLF, OLF or AIAI (AIAI-O) in and around Jijiga Dire Dawa?

Edit: I am not saying that people from those cities are terrorists. I made some good friends there. But there several issues in the Ogaden.

Sorry, maybe i misinterpreted your post that was intended as a lighthearted sense of humor.

Are you in the military, stationed there?

Yes, there are issues over there and in the NW and SW as well, some historical and some pretty recent developments. Meles's authoritarian regime doesn't leave room for a critical voice.

[sacase]

Sorry, maybe i misinterpreted your post that was intended as a lighthearted sense of humor.

Are you in the military, stationed there?

Yes, there are issues over there and in the NW and SW as well, some historical and some pretty recent developments. Meles's authoritarian regime doesn't leave room for a critical voice.

Yeah I remembered you were Ethiopian so it was just a small joke since I knew there were some terrorist problems in those cities that is why jokingly asked. Ethiopia has a lot of issues, but nothing they can't solve, I hope they work through them, great people. Can't wait to go back.

I was in Djibouti in 05 spent a little time in Ethiopia as well.

[ethiostar]

Yeah I remembered you were Ethiopian so it was just a small joke since I knew there were some terrorist problems in those cities that is why jokingly asked. Ethiopia has a lot of issues, but nothing they can't solve, I hope they work through them, great people. Can't wait to go back.

I was in Djibouti in 05 spent a little time in Ethiopia as well.

Yeah, we can right the ship as long as we have political stability.

Hope you have a good time when you go back, say hi to the women for me;)

[sacase]

Yeah, we can right the ship as long as we have political stability.

Hope you have a good time when you go back, say hi to the women for me;)

Thats the best part!!!

[silverbear]

It is rather petty. I don't know why Obama feels he has to pull such a stunt.

What "stunt"??

Is the sign inaccurate?? He IS the President-Elect, and as such he has every right to advertise that fact on his podium...

Indeed, it's quite likely IMO that he has a very practical reason for doing so-- he's trying to reassure world markets that a change in our economic approach is imminent, in the hope that he might buy a little TIME...

And if John McCain had won, and stood in front of such a podium, you wouldn't have the first problem with it... so the pettiness is YOURS...

Again...

Also, you want petty, just look at the national attention Palin's wardrobe received.

You do know that it was REPUBLICANS who raised the greatest stink about that, don't you??

[silverbear]

There is no such thing as the office of the President elect.

So, Obama doesn't have an office??

By definition, as President-Elect, his office would indeed be the Office of the President-Elect...

I reckon if he wants to give that office a title, he can do so... or can you point me to a law that makes doing so illegal??

I swear to God, you wingnuts make the biggest deal over NOTHING... and then you call Obama, and his supporters, "petty"??

There is all kind of pettiness on display in this forum these days, and it's coming almost exclusively from you wingnuts...

[silverbear]

Thought the wardrobe thing was just as silly.

Just amazes me that even with the election over, the threads that get the most hits have little to nothing to do with policy.

The wingnuts don't want to talk about policy... all they're interested in is snarling about each and every thing Obama does, no matter how inconsequential...

[silverbear]

This is humorous. The man is using a made up office. Mak had to search for the Act that created the facilities and services set up for the transition. But no where in the act is there an establishment of an office. That sign has implies an authority/power that he does not yet hold.

It implies no such thing... it says quite clearly that he is the President-Elect, which is exactly what he is...

[silverbear]

I'm pleasantly surprised that you agree that you have no substance. Thanks Al.

Why is it that you wingnuts fall back on the ad hominem so frequently??

Is it to obfuscate the fact that there's no substance to your arguments??

[Bach]

nt, in the hope that he might buy a little TIME...

And if John McCain had won, and stood in front of such a podium, you wouldn't have the first problem with it... so the pettiness is YOURS...


Truth be told though, McCain wouldn't have put such a dumb mock seal and title on a podium, just like no other President-elect ever has, except for this current ego-driven chosen one.

[Rackat]

Why is it that you wingnuts fall back on the ad hominem so frequently??

Is it to obfuscate the fact that there's no substance to your arguments??
Obviously you missed the reason for that particular reply. And hello pot? meet kettle. Wingnuts? No ad hominem there, nope. LOL You're usually not this banal.

[Bach]

By definition, as President-Elect, his office would indeed be the Office of the President-Elect...

I reckon if he wants to give that office a title, he can do so... or can you point me to a law that makes doing so illegal??

I swear to God, you wingnuts make the biggest deal over NOTHING... and then you call Obama, and his supporters, "petty"??

There is all kind of pettiness on display in this forum these days, and it's coming almost exclusively from you wingnuts...

No, the pettiness is from the President-elect leftwingnut.

[silverbear]

No, the pettiness is from the President-elect leftwingnut.

No, the pettiness is from anybody ridiculous enough to get upset over that sign...

[Rogah]

No, the pettiness is from anybody ridiculous enough to get upset over that sign...Methinks, my friend, that thou doth protest too much :D

Is it pompous and arrogant to have that seal? Yes, it is. Especially since technically speaking, he isn't the President-Elect yet. But he has earned the right to be a bit pompous and arrogant given what he has accomplished.

I think we, as a nation, have bigger fish to fry than to worry about some made-up "office" and seal that Obama is going around using.

[Bach]

No, the pettiness is from anybody ridiculous enough to get upset over that sign...

No one is upset. Just pointing out the arrogance of it.

[Doomsday101]

Methinks, my friend, that thou doth protest too much :D

Is it pompous and arrogant to have that seal? Yes, it is. Especially since technically speaking, he isn't the President-Elect yet. But he has earned the right to be a bit pompous and arrogant given what he has accomplished.

I think we, as a nation, have bigger fish to fry than to worry about some made-up "office" and seal that Obama is going around using.

Sure it is but it is funny as well. It hurt no one it just shows the ego this guy has.

[Sasquatch]

Is it pompous and arrogant to have that seal? Yes, it is.

The right is well versed in pomposity and hubris.

uKdbZWNqF00

And remember his arrogant little pronouncement "I've got political capital, and I intend to spend it."

Please, if it's a Shakespeare quote you want, I think "much ado about nothing" adequately sums up this thread. Or better yet this thread is akin to "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." :D

[Rackat]

Please, if it's a Shakespeare quote you want, I think "much ado about nothing" adequately sums up this thread. Or better yet this thread is akin to "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." :D
You should know, Sassy. You see one everytime you look in the mirror.

[Sasquatch]

You should know, Sassy. You see one everytime you look in the mirror.

O, I am slain!

[bbgun]

The right is well versed in pomposity and hubris.

uKdbZWNqF00



A real POTUS using a real seal. What nerve.

[silverbear]

Truth be told though, McCain wouldn't have put such a dumb mock seal and title on a podium, just like no other President-elect ever has, except for this current ego-driven chosen one.

You're probably right, but that's beside the point... the point is, the ONLY reason this annoys you is that it's Barack Obama doing it...

You, like a number of others in here, are clearly looking for reasons, no matter how feeble they might be, to complain about him... what's funny is this weak crapola is the best you can come up with...

[silverbear]

And hello pot? meet kettle. Wingnuts? No ad hominem there, nope. LOL You're usually not this banal.

WG has asked me to stop with the wingnut bit, so I will... but that term is a commonly-used shorthand for those on the extreme right... it is no worse than burm constantly snarling about "libs"...

[silverbear]

Methinks, my friend, that thou doth protest too much :D

Actually, the faux outrage in here cracks me up... I'm merely mocking those who are so upset at this...

Is it pompous and arrogant to have that seal? Yes, it is. Especially since technically speaking, he isn't the President-Elect yet.

Uhhh, yes, he is... that's what you call the man who wins the presidential election, in the time before he's inaugurated as President...

I think we, as a nation, have bigger fish to fry than to worry about some made-up "office" and seal that Obama is going around using.

I couldn't agree more... of course, this is being done by the most fanatic right wingers in here, who just can't STAND that he won... they will seize on literally any reason to disgorge the bile that is choking them...

[silverbear]

No one is upset. Just pointing out the arrogance of it.

Right-- this thread has gone over 100 posts, but on one is "upset"...

ROTFLMAO...

[silverbear]

Sure it is but it is funny as well. It hurt no one it just shows the ego this guy has.

It takes a colossal ego just to run for President...

[silverbear]

You should know, Sassy. You see one everytime you look in the mirror.

Ahhh, more intellectual debate from the right...

[vlad]

Bach, do you really think this is about his ego? Come on, whether you like the guy or not, holding press conferences for transperancy, and taking steps to assure the American people he's not sitting on his butt on vacation or blessing turkeys or whatever nonsense during these times is nothing but being respectful to the office and its responsibilities. To portray this as anything ego driven smacks of your own agenda. Do you just want him to show up on the 20th like a fool who has done nothing. Its not like I see Bush (and I have no hate of the guy, I think he did a terrible job, but he did what he did) doing a damn thing.

Get over your own agenda and quit wishing for the guy to screw up. That is the most anti-American thing I've ever heard. I don't give a crap who is president, I'd gladly eat my own words if someone that was elected who I didn't like did a fantastic job rather than waiting for the "mess." Sounds like you have an ego. Americans should be united, not rooting for our own leaders to fail, that's just sad. This isn't a football game after all, its just our nation...

[Maikeru-sama]

Bach, do you really think this is about his ego? Come on, whether you like the guy or not, holding press conferences for transperancy, and taking steps to assure the American people he's not sitting on his butt on vacation or blessing turkeys or whatever nonsense during these times is nothing but being respectful to the office and its responsibilities. To portray this as anything ego driven smacks of your own agenda. Do you just want him to show up on the 20th like a fool who has done nothing. Its not like I see Bush (and I have no hate of the guy, I think he did a terrible job, but he did what he did) doing a damn thing.

Get over your own agenda and quit wishing for the guy to screw up. That is the most anti-American thing I've ever heard. I don't give a crap who is president, I'd gladly eat my own words if someone that was elected who I didn't like did a fantastic job rather than waiting for the "mess." Sounds like you have an ego. Americans should be united, not rooting for our own leaders to fail, that's just sad. This isn't a football game after all, its just our nation...

:hammer:

Certain individuals want President-Elect Barack Obama to fail.

Kind like certain Cowboys fans wanting the Cowboys to lose so their stupid agenda can be realized.

[Bach]

Bach, do you really think this is about his ego? Come on, whether you like the guy or not, holding press conferences for transperancy, and taking steps to assure the American people he's not sitting on his butt on vacation or blessing turkeys or whatever nonsense during these times is nothing but being respectful to the office and its responsibilities. To portray this as anything ego driven smacks of your own agenda.

Yep. It's definitely about his ego.

Do you just want him to show up on the 20th like a fool who has done nothing. Its not like I see Bush (and I have no hate of the guy, I think he did a terrible job, but he did what he did) doing a damn thing.

What does this have to do with the topic?

All President-elects are in transition from the time they are elected until Inauguration. They assemble their staffs and get briefed from the outgoing Administration, who by the way, is still in charge.

This "office of the President-elect" business is purely ego-driven. We have one President right now and one in waiting preparing to take over in January. That is all their should be too it.





Get over your own agenda and quit wishing for the guy to screw up. That is the most anti-American thing I've ever heard. I don't give a crap who is president, I'd gladly eat my own words if someone that was elected who I didn't like did a fantastic job rather than waiting for the "mess." Sounds like you have an ego. Americans should be united, not rooting for our own leaders to fail, that's just sad. This isn't a football game after all, its just our nation...

Where did I wish he'd screw up?

Take you time, because you won't find it. Of course as for being unAmerican, I'm sure you never criticized President Bush the last 8 years. So you can get off your hypocritical and laughable soapbox Mr. Zlad.

[Bach]

:hammer:

Certain individuals want President-Elect Barack Obama to fail.

Kind like certain Cowboys fans wanting the Cowboys to lose so their stupid agenda can be realized.

:laugh2:

[silverbear]

Yep. It's definitely about his ego.

You've never met the man, yet you feel qualified to psychoanalyze him...

I'm impressed...


Where did I wish he'd screw up?

Oh, in about 500 posts you've made since the election (a rough estimate, you understand, I haven't actually counted)...

You haven't come right out and said it, of course, but anybody reading your posts knows where you're coming from...

Of course as for being unAmerican, I'm sure you never criticized President Bush the last 8 years.

Personally, I gave Dubya a pass until it became clear there were no WMDs in Iraq... at that point, I feel like my anger at him was justified... OK, I did have a little fun at his expense when he screwed up and basically ran Jeffords out of the GOP, but that's the only real criticism I recall aiming at him until the Iraq fiasco...

But you're giving Obama grief on a whole array of issues before he's even had a chance to DO anything... which again suggests that you're rooting for him to fail...

[VietCowboy]

You've never met the man, yet you feel qualified to psychoanalyze him...

I'm impressed...

I know, I read part of this thread and I was amazed at the number of psychologists in here. Even if I am one, basing my opinion of someone off of TV is definitely questionable. If you want to see if he has narcissistic personality disorder, you should give him the SCID and see if he possesses all of the qualities. Until then......

[vta]

I know, I read part of this thread and I was amazed at the number of psychologists in here. Even if I am one, basing my opinion of someone off of TV is definitely questionable. If you want to see if he has narcissistic personality disorder, you should give him the SCID and see if he possesses all of the qualities. Until then......

We-ell, this isn't exactly a new phenomenon.
For the last eight years we've heard very much the same forms of analysis of our current President by many of the folks frequenting this board, who I'd wager never met him either.

Analysis of just what his actions meant - minus of course the benefit of not only having never met the man, but without being privy to federal and sensitive information, which just might inform his actions.

I think, to those attentive enough, we're going to be seeing quite an enormous amount of hypocrisy regarding the treatment of our new President compared to the former.

[Bach]

You've never met the man, yet you feel qualified to psychoanalyze him...

I'm impressed...

The man has an ego bigger than Texas. I don't have to personally meet him to see that.


Oh, in about 500 posts you've made since the election (a rough estimate, you understand, I haven't actually counted)...

You haven't come right out and said it, of course, but anybody reading your posts knows where you're coming from...

That's right, I never said it because it's not true.

Funny how you can throw out a number of posts yet then come out and say you haven't actually counted them and then say you know what I'm saying even though you admit I have never come out and said it.

It's obvious to anybody reading your posts that you are full of crap.





Personally, I gave Dubya a pass until it became clear there were no WMDs in Iraq... at that point, I feel like my anger at him was justified... OK, I did have a little fun at his expense when he screwed up and basically ran Jeffords out of the GOP, but that's the only real criticism I recall aiming at him until the Iraq fiasco...

But you're giving Obama grief on a whole array of issues before he's even had a chance to DO anything... which again suggests that you're rooting for him to fail...

Interesting how most leading Democrats thought Iraq was a danger and had WMD also. Yet you only directed your anger at Bush and felt it justified. That obviously suggest you were just waiting and rooting for him to fail.

So I now where you are coming from. Since you rooted from day one for Bush to fail you think those who are supporters of Obama must be hoping he'll fail. But you'd be wrong, once again.

[silverbear]

The man has an ego bigger than Texas. I don't have to personally meet him to see that.

You speculate about his thought processes, and yeah, you DO have to know him in order to speculate on that with any sort of authority...

But it seems you regularly spout off without knowing what you're talking about; we'll see a classic example of that here shortly...

Funny how you can throw out a number of posts yet then come out and say you haven't actually counted them

I'm utterly unsurprised that you're incapable of grasping a concept known as sarcastic humor...

and then say you know what I'm saying even though you admit I have never come out and said it.

It's clear to most all of us that you're embarking on your own little jihad against Barack Obama... I mean, when you start getting your panties in a bunch over something as completely inconsequential as a seal saying "Office of the President-Elect", it becomes abundantly clear that you have a hard-on for the guy (and of course, this isn't the only complaint you've had these last coupla weeks, far from it)...

So no, I don't believe you for a second when you claim "I hope he succeeds"... it's clear that you'll be royally pissed off when that happens...

It's obvious to anybody reading your posts that you are full of crap.

Chuckle... I wouldn't annoy you so much if I was... I get under your pelt because you can't get over on me...

Oh, and permit me to note that I've been right about the election for some months now, while you and your crew were dead wrong... but I'M the one "full of crap"...

ROTFLMAO...

Interesting how most leading Democrats thought Iraq was a danger and had WMD also. Yet you only directed your anger at Bush and felt it justified. That obviously suggest you were just waiting and rooting for him to fail.

Here's what I was talking about when I said you spout off without having ANY idea what you're talking about...

In point of fact, I also supported the invasion of Iraq, for one reason, and one reason only-- I bought into Dubya's scare tactics, the "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" BS... I supported the invasion of Afghanistan too, and still support our operation over there...

It was only some months into the invasion of Iraq, as it began to dawn on me that there really weren't any WMDs, that I began to get angry... and I got angry at him...

So I got FOOLED, precisely the way those Democrats who voted in favor of the war got fooled... Dubya cooked up some bogus intel to push his agenda, playing on our post-9/11 hysteria in a most cynical manner... the Democrats in Congress had no way of knowing they were being fed garbage, so I'm not angry at them... well, I am, but only at those like Lieberman who STILL try to tell me we were justified in invading Iraq...

Now, knowing that there were no WMDs, we are left with only two possible conclusions-- that Dubya was honestly wrong, a victim of bad intelligence, or that he "cooked the books"... I thought long and hard about both possibilities, and when I did, I decided there was more than ample evidence that the latter was the case... I based that on a number of things that we know:

1) We know that he deliberately lied to us about the Niger Yellow Cake situation... the CIA told him before the State of the Union that there was no intelligence to support that claim, and he still made it...

That's a lie... and in a court of law, as I understand it, if you can prove that a person is lying about one thing, it is permissible to assume that everything coming out of his mouth is a lie...

2) Our staunch allies the British said in a private memo, never intended for the public's eye, that Dubya "fixed" the intelligence around his agenda... this is what we know as the Downing Street Memo, and again, it was not intended for public consumption... so our best allies were suspicious of his intel...

3) Furthering the claim of "fixed" intelligence is something I happen to be privy to because of a personal connection... my late Mom was buried the day before 9/11 after a 5 month battle with lung cancer... prior to that, she had worked at Langley Park, CIA headquarters, at a branch office of Northwest Federal Credit Union... she had to have a security clearance to work there, so I jokingly referred to her as }my Mother the spy"... well after her death, I read a report in the Washington Post that after the CIA had put together an intelligence report at the administration's request regarding Iraq, the White House was very displeased with that report, because it didn't provide them with the "smoking gun" that they wanted... so they dispatched Dick Cheney over there to loudly berate the honchos, to demand more... so I made a phone call, and my Mom's friends confirmed to me that this did indeed happen, and was common knowledge at Langley Park...

4) A year or so back, Dennis Kucinich gave a speech in Congress in which he made some powerful, explosive allegations... he said that during the Energy Summit that Cheney convened in secret at the White House shortly after Dubya took power, they spread out maps of the Iraq oil fields, and assorted oil executives pored over them... remember, Hussein was still in power in Iraq, and was of course quite hostile toward America, so there was no way they were going to be able to do anything with those oil fields... thus, it can logically be deduced that the only reason for going over those maps was that they were planning on removing Saddam from power, months before 9/11...

Note that to date, not one Republican has even attempted to deny the claims that Kucinich made in that speech... I figure that's part of the reason why that Energy Summit was conducted in such total secrecy... again, that accusation is so powerful that if it was bogus, the GOP would be real quick to call BS, instead they said nothing...

So, the Niger lie is real, the Downing Street Memo is real, Kucinich's speech is real... so even if you choose not to believe my personal story (which, as I say, was printed in the Washington Post, that's how I first found out about it), then you still have a compelling case that Dubya's boys made up the threat of WMDs... any one of those by themselves might fall short of making the case, but all of them together add up...

And from that point on, I have hated him with a deep and abiding passion... the invasion of Iraq is, by far, the most wrong thing my country has done in my lifetime...

But the thing is, I have good and logical reasons for feeling the way I do...

[/quote]So I now where you are coming from.[/quote]

You delude yourself, and you make a fool of yourself in the process...


Since you rooted from day one for Bush to fail you think those who are supporters of Obama must be hoping he'll fail. But you'd be wrong, once again.

I'm going to guess that you mean those who OPPOSE Obama are hoping he'll fail... and I never said that, I said YOU are clearly hoping he'll fail... you're not the only one in here who feels that way, I could probably name about a half dozen right wing zealots who have probably sent off for their Obama Voodoo Dolls and a large supply of pins...

That doesn't mean every right winger in here feels the same way, or that everybody who voted for John McCain feels that way... I'm just talking about you, and a few zealots who are ranting away on a daily basis in here... guys so petty they get bent out of shape about a sign that isn't causing them any harm at all, a sign that is ultimately completely inconsequential...

[Bach]

You speculate about his thought processes, and yeah, you DO have to know him in order to speculate on that with any sort of authority...

But it seems you regularly spout off without knowing what you're talking about; we'll see a classic example of that here shortly...

Look in the mirror, kettle.

And no, you don't have to have personally met someone who is a public figure to see they have an ego bigger than Texas.



It's clear to most all of us that you're embarking on your own little jihad against Barack Obama... I mean, when you start getting your panties in a bunch over something as completely inconsequential as a seal saying "Office of the President-Elect", it becomes abundantly clear that you have a hard-on for the guy (and of course, this isn't the only complaint you've had these last coupla weeks, far from it)...

I've only stated he is extremely arrogant and has an enormous ego. The only ones getting their panties in a wad are people like you who vehemently try to deny it.

So no, I don't believe you for a second when you claim "I hope he succeeds"... it's clear that you'll be royally pissed off when that happens...


It has nothing to do with failing or succeeding. It has to do with ideology and policies.


Here's what I was talking about when I said you spout off without having ANY idea what you're talking about...

In point of fact, I also supported the invasion of Iraq, for one reason, and one reason only-- I bought into Dubya's scare tactics, the "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" BS... I supported the invasion of Afghanistan too, and still support our operation over there...

It was only some months into the invasion of Iraq, as it began to dawn on me that there really weren't any WMDs, that I began to get angry... and I got angry at him...

So I got FOOLED, precisely the way those Democrats who voted in favor of the war got fooled... Dubya cooked up some bogus intel to push his agenda, playing on our post-9/11 hysteria in a most cynical manner... the Democrats in Congress had no way of knowing they were being fed garbage, so I'm not angry at them... well, I am, but only at those like Lieberman who STILL try to tell me we were justified in invading Iraq...


Ah I see. Those poor Democrats who claimed that Iraq was a threat and had WMD BEFORE BUSH EVEN GOT ELECTED were somehow fooled by Bush cooking up bogus intel? That is hilarious. I suppose Bush cooked up false intel in the late 90's when Clinton, Gore, Kennedy and many other Democrats claimed Iraq and Saddam had WMD and were a threat? Here's quotes from any of them including quite a few while Clinton was still in office:

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002



So tell me again how Bush cooked the intel prior to even getting elected?


You delude yourself, and you make a fool of yourself in the process...

I'm going to guess that you mean those who OPPOSE Obama are hoping he'll fail... and I never said that, I said YOU are clearly hoping he'll fail... you're not the only one in here who feels that way, I could probably name about a half dozen right wing zealots who have probably sent off for their Obama Voodoo Dolls and a large supply of pins...

Sorry, but the only one deluded is yourself. Just because you've had strong hatred for Bush the last 8 years and have played with voodoo dolls, it doesn't mean I'm doing the same thing with Obama.

Also, specifically in what ways do you think I'm hoping Obama fails? As a conservative it's true that I'd like to see him not be able to implement many of his liberal and socialist agenda. But when it comes to the economy and our military and national defense and what is best for our country, then I definitely want to see him succeed. But yeah, I will oppose him when it comes to policies and agenada's I don't agree with concerning ideology.

[VietCowboy]

We-ell, this isn't exactly a new phenomenon.
For the last eight years we've heard very much the same forms of analysis of our current President by many of the folks frequenting this board, who I'd wager never met him either.

Analysis of just what his actions meant - minus of course the benefit of not only having never met the man, but without being privy to federal and sensitive information, which just might inform his actions.

I think, to those attentive enough, we're going to be seeing quite an enormous amount of hypocrisy regarding the treatment of our new President compared to the former.

Let's see, what psychological ailment or characteristic did people label Bush?

1)Getting C's in college and grad school --> points to someone who did not exactly excel in his academics. So, the fact that people question his intelligence is generally based on grades, something concrete and has in fact, been a correlate with achievement and intelligence.

2)Continuing to deny funding into PROVEN programs that work and instead throw money at programs that don't? Definitely an indicator of someone who puts what he thinks should work over what actually works but may anger some of his conservative base.

3) Cutting funding for after school programs, PELL grants, scientific research = de-emphasis on the importance of educating and nurturing our kids, not exactly something we should praise Bush on....

[vta]

Let's see, what psychological ailment or characteristic did people label Bush?

Arrogant, egotistical, vengeful - remember attacking Iraq was to avenge his daddy's work and an attempt on his life -, zealot, dictatorial - remember the Police State he was going to institute while 'trampling our rights and the constitution'.

1)Getting C's in college and grad school --> points to someone who did not exactly excel in his academics. So, the fact that people question his intelligence is generally based on grades, something concrete and has in fact, been a correlate with achievement and intelligence.

An MBA from Harvard is hardly indicative of someone not exactly able to excel in academics. And I know it's a popular refrain that 'daddy did it all for him', I doubt an institution like Harvard is going to allow itself to be compromised by the Ambassador to China.

2)Continuing to deny funding into PROVEN programs that work and instead throw money at programs that don't? Definitely an indicator of someone who puts what he thinks should work over what actually works but may anger some of his conservative base.

Such as?
Playing politics isn't as easy as life decisions for people like ourselves, because we are not bound to benefactors, the way politicians are.

3) Cutting funding for after school programs, PELL grants, scientific research = de-emphasis on the importance of educating and nurturing our kids, not exactly something we should praise Bush on....

Decry his policies all you wish, but, like the people here calling Obama egotistical for a certain act never met the President elect, you have never met. nor has anyone here, the current President, are not privy to just what informs his decisions and can only base your opinions on what you see on television and what is relayed to you from numerous sources.

I can find articles which trump the idea that he's a C dullard and his academic record deserves some respect, just as easily as you can find one that drags him through the mud. In the end, we're still hampered by having our views filtered through someone else's opinion.

Like I said, it's hypocrisy now to cry about such things in regard to Obama. You might call it a bit early, but the methods employed are exactly the same and not at all to be highlighted as a point of derision, by people who did the very same thing.

[Rogah]

Uhhh, yes, he is... that's what you call the man who wins the presidential election, in the time before he's inaugurated as President... The Electoral College has not yet convened and voted on our next President. That is all I meant by saying he isn't "technically" the President-Elect yet. Beyond that it is just a semantic argument and I make it a rule not to engage in semantic arguments :D

[ChldsPlay]

If only he would have been this eager to perform his CURRENT office. "President-Elect" just means he's going to be President, he is not President yet. Right now he is SENATOR, not that he's ever acted like it.

[Rogah]

Let's see, what psychological ailment or characteristic did people label Bush?

1)Getting C's in college and grad school --> points to someone who did not exactly excel in his academics.True, but certainly you agree it points to somebody who is not a "moron" or deserving of the term "idiot-in-chief" as we have seen him labelled in the past? I can't remember the last time I saw a Jay Leno monologue that didn't insult Bush's intelligence. And yet the simple fact that he graduated college puts him in the upper level of intelligence in our country (if that is how one objectively analyzes intellect, as you have recommended above).

Bottom line is this: We don't need to get our Ph.D's in psychology and then to personally analyze Obama to have an opinion like "the guy has got a big ego." This is a politics forum, not a post-doctoral thesis. I like Obama and I think he is going to be a fine President, but it sure seems to me that after 8 years of dishing out the insults, some people are having a hard time taking them. :D

[silverbear]

I've only stated he is extremely arrogant and has an enormous ego. The only ones getting their panties in a wad are people like you who vehemently try to deny it.

Actually, I said very clearly that anybody who runs for President has a massive ego... but it seems that it never bothered you until Barack Obama came along...

Ah I see. Those poor Democrats who claimed that Iraq was a threat and had WMD BEFORE BUSH EVEN GOT ELECTED were somehow fooled by Bush cooking up bogus intel? That is hilarious. I suppose Bush cooked up false intel in the late 90's when Clinton, Gore, Kennedy and many other Democrats claimed Iraq and Saddam had WMD and were a threat?

Nobody said he NEVER had WMDs... it was clearly documented that he did, indeed he gassed his own people... but that was pre-Desert Storm; at the time of the Iraq invasion, as the 9/11 Commission reported, all he had was small stockpiles of old, degraded biochemical weapons that were no longer viable as weapons... oh, Saddam blustered and boasted that he still had viable weapons, but that was just a ploy to keep his neighboring enemies from attacking him...

But that's not what Dubya was telling us...

Sorry, but the only one deluded is yourself. Just because you've had strong hatred for Bush the last 8 years and have played with voodoo dolls, it doesn't mean I'm doing the same thing with Obama.

Hoss, you've done everything but attack him for wanting a dog...

[silverbear]

The Electoral College has not yet convened and voted on our next President. That is all I meant by saying he isn't "technically" the President-Elect yet. Beyond that it is just a semantic argument and I make it a rule not to engage in semantic arguments :D

And yet, you just did...

[silverbear]

I like Obama and I think he is going to be a fine President, but it sure seems to me that after 8 years of dishing out the insults, some people are having a hard time taking them. :D

Insulting the guy before he's even DONE anything seems beyond childish to me...

[ChldsPlay]

Insulting the guy before he's even DONE anything seems beyond childish to me...

So does praising him, but that hasn't stopped anyone. He's done/said a lot more in the past to warrant more insults than praise.

[silverbear]

So does praising him, but that hasn't stopped anyone. He's done/said a lot more in the past to warrant more insults than praise.

You mean, like serving in the Senate?? Or perhaps you mean sitting on the board of the Annenberg Education Challenge (I think that was the name of the group)... or do you mean serving as a community organizer in the Chicago area?? Or serving in the Illinois legislature??

Shame on him...

And y'know, I don't see him getting much in the way of praise these days, either, except for some praise for his selections for his Cabinet and his White House staff... praise which has come from such unusual sources as Karl Rove, Joe Lieberman and the Wall Street Journal's editorial board...

Meanwhile, if you ever read the Huffington Post, which I'm quite sure you haven't, you'd be aware that he's been getting criticism from the far left for those same selections... they're annoyed that he's turning into a centrist on them, they were as sure as you on the right were that he's an ultraliberal, and they're already quite disappointed to find out that's not the case...

[Bach]

Actually, I said very clearly that anybody who runs for President has a massive ego... but it seems that it never bothered you until Barack Obama came along...

Well, until Barack Obama came along no one else took it to the level he has.



Nobody said he NEVER had WMDs... it was clearly documented that he did, indeed he gassed his own people... but that was pre-Desert Storm; at the time of the Iraq invasion, as the 9/11 Commission reported, all he had was small stockpiles of old, degraded biochemical weapons that were no longer viable as weapons... oh, Saddam blustered and boasted that he still had viable weapons, but that was just a ploy to keep his neighboring enemies from attacking him...

But that's not what Dubya was telling us...

You say that as all pre-Desert Storm, yet all those quotes I provided you from your fellow Democrats was post-Desert Storm. Many of them said this during Clinton's term and many voted and agreed with GWB to go into Iraq.

Of course you, with your anti-Bush agenda, only want to blame GWB, like usual.

Hoss, you've done everything but attack him for wanting a dog...



Um, I not Hoss and your assertion is wrong again, like usual.

[ChldsPlay]

You mean, like serving in the Senate?? Or perhaps you mean sitting on the board of the Annenberg Education Challenge (I think that was the name of the group)... or do you mean serving as a community organizer in the Chicago area?? Or serving in the Illinois legislature??

Shame on him...

And y'know, I don't see him getting much in the way of praise these days, either, except for some praise for his selections for his Cabinet and his White House staff... praise which has come from such unusual sources as Karl Rove, Joe Lieberman and the Wall Street Journal's editorial board...

Meanwhile, if you ever read the Huffington Post, which I'm quite sure you haven't, you'd be aware that he's been getting criticism from the far left for those same selections... they're annoyed that he's turning into a centrist on them, they were as sure as you on the right were that he's an ultraliberal, and they're already quite disappointed to find out that's not the case...


Get back to me when he actually does SERVE in the Senate. Just being elected doesn't mean you served. He's been too busy to have time to serve, thankfully. Senate certainly doesn't need more like him.

[silverbear]

Well, until Barack Obama came along no one else took it to the level he has.

Here's your challenge-- document his "unprecedented arrogance"...

[silverbear]

Get back to me when he actually does SERVE in the Senate. Just being elected doesn't mean you served. He's been too busy to have time to serve, thankfully. Senate certainly doesn't need more like him.

Yawn... get back to me when you stop bloviating...

[Bach]

Here's your challenge-- document his "unprecedented arrogance"...

http://obamashrugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/1apelect.jpg

[Rogah]

And yet, you just did...Not at all. When you challenged my statement, I politely explained my reasoning behind it. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not going to argue for people to agree with my terminology and I admit that it is nothing more than a technicality because I have already referred to him as "President-Elect" on multiple occassions (and I will continue to do so).
You mean, like serving in the Senate?? Or perhaps you mean sitting on the board of the Annenberg Education Challenge (I think that was the name of the group)... or do you mean serving as a community organizer in the Chicago area?? Or serving in the Illinois legislature?? Come on now, Silverbear, you're smarter than this. When someone criticizes Obama, you respond with "Insulting the guy before he's even DONE anything seems beyond childish to me..." But when it comes to praise, then you give a whole laundry list of his career accomplishments. Let's at least be logically consistent :D
Meanwhile, if you ever read the Huffington Post, which I'm quite sure you haven't, you'd be aware that he's been getting criticism from the far left for those same selections... they're annoyed that he's turning into a centrist on them, they were as sure as you on the right were that he's an ultraliberal, and they're already quite disappointed to find out that's not the case...There are a lot of people that have been saying it is the far left that will be most disappointed in Obama because as President he will govern from the center. It will be interesting to see if that comes to pass.