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Maikeru-sama
11-25-2008, 07:12 PM
Net censorship plan backlash
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November 11, 2008 - 4:59PM

As opposition grows against the Government's controversial plan to censor the internet, the head of one of Australia's largest ISPs has labelled the Communications Minister the worst we've had in the past 15 years.

Separately, in Senate question time today, Greens senator Scott Ludlam accused the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, of misleading the public by falsely claiming his mandatory censorship plan was similar to that already in place in Sweden, Britain, Canada and New Zealand.

Despite significant opposition from internet providers, consumers, engineers, network administrators and online rights activists, the Government is pressing ahead with its election promise of protecting people from unwanted material, this week calling for expressions of interests from ISPs keen to participate in live trials of the proposed internet filtering system.

Michael Malone, managing director iiNet, said he would sign up to be involved in the "ridiculous" trials, which are scheduled to commence by December 24 this year.

Optus and Telstra both said they were reviewing the Government's documentation and would then decide whether to take part.

But Malone's main purpose was to provide the Government with "hard numbers" demonstrating "how stupid it is" - specifically that the filtering system would not work, would be patently simple to bypass, would not filter peer-to-peer traffic and would significantly degrade network speeds.

"They're not listening to the experts, they're not listening to the industry, they're not listening to consumers, so perhaps some hard numbers will actually help," he said.

"Every time a kid manages to get through this filter, we'll be publicising it and every time it blocks legitimate content, we'll be publicising it."

Malone concluded: "This is the worst Communications Minister we've had in the 15 years since the [internet] industry has existed."

The Government intends to introduce mandatory filtering of all "illegal material" and a second optional filter to block content deemed inappropriate for children, such as pornography.

Internet providers and the Government's own lab tests have found that presently available filters are not capable of adequately distinguishing between legal and illegal content and can degrade internet speeds by up to 86 per cent.

Many ISPs already offer customers the option of switching on content filtering and the previous government provided free software filters for anyone to download from NetAlert.gov.au.

Much of the opposition to Senator Conroy's plan revolves around the fact that, unlike his earlier promises, he now wants to make the filtering mandatory for all Australians - spurred on by support from vocal minorities such as the Australian Family Association and the Australian Christian Lobby.

Senator Nick Xenophon and Family First Senator Steve Fielding, both of whom the Government needs to pass legislation, have already said they want the mandatory filters broadened to include the blocking of hard-core pornography and online gambling sites.

Grilled by a Senate Estimates committee in October, Senator Conroy said Britain, Sweden, Canada and New Zealand had all implemented similar filtering systems. However, in all cases, participation by ISPs was optional and the filtering was limited in scope to predominantly child pornography.

"It is happening in two other countries - China and Saudi Arabia, that's who he's lined himself up with," said Malone.

In Senate question time today, Senator Ludlam asked the minister to explain those claims, but Senator Conroy dodged the question.

"We are aware of technical concerns with filtering technology, and that is why we are conducting a pilot, to put these claims to the test," he said.

Senator Ludlam then asked Senator Conroy to retract the claims, as well as to explain what he meant by "unwanted content" and to "acknowledge the legitimate concerns by commentators and many members of the public that such a system will degrade internet performance, prove costly and inefficient, and do very little to achieve the Government's policy objectives".

Senator Conroy said he could not answer all of those questions in the time provided and would be "happy to come back and provide the Senator with further information".

link (http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/net-censorship-plan-backlash/2008/11/11/1226318639085.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1)

Maikeru-sama
11-25-2008, 07:17 PM
I was talking to an individual from Austrialia today and he said that Kevin Rudd's plan to censor the Internet has polarized almost the entire country.


Much of the opposition to Senator Conroy's plan revolves around the fact that, unlike his earlier promises, he now wants to make the filtering mandatory for all Australians - spurred on by support from vocal minorities such as the Australian Family Association and the Australian Christian Lobby.


Yep, when someone has plans to take away your freedom, they always start off this way.

In the words of Prince:


Be glad that U r free
Free 2 change your mind
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime
Be glad that U r free
There's many a man who's not
Be glad 4 what U had baby, what you've got
Be glad 4 what you've got

CanadianCowboysFan
11-25-2008, 07:51 PM
well it is a former penal colony, what can you expect

JBond
11-25-2008, 08:32 PM
Crazy "christians" there and the looney left here. Liberals love censorship here. The Christians I associate with here have no intention of censoring anything. Why do you thing soft porn is allowed on TV at all hours of the day now?

burmafrd
11-25-2008, 08:33 PM
Just like the libs and Hate Speech laws and Fairness Doctrine.

ScipioCowboy
11-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Crazy "christians" there and the looney left here. Liberals love censorship here. The Christians I associate with here have no intention of censoring anything. Why do you thing soft porn is allowed on TV at all hours of the day now?

Wok-a-chicka-BOW-WOW, wok-a-chicka, wok-a-chicka:D

CanadianCowboysFan
11-25-2008, 10:26 PM
Crazy "christians" there and the looney left here. Liberals love censorship here. The Christians I associate with here have no intention of censoring anything. Why do you thing soft porn is allowed on TV at all hours of the day now?

because the stupid perverted libs allow it?

you make out that soft porn is somehow bad, tsk tsk

JBond
11-25-2008, 10:33 PM
because the stupid perverted libs allow it?

you make out that soft porn is somehow bad, tsk tsk

You start having second thought when you have a 13 year old son with girls calling him and have a beautiful 8 week old girl. Your perception of the world starts to change as your children get older.

CanadianCowboysFan
11-25-2008, 10:35 PM
You start having second thought when you have a 13 year old son with girls calling him and have a beautiful 8 week old girl. Your perception of the world starts to change as your children get older.

what does that have to do with soft porn though? are you saying that girls are more sexually aggressive now because of sex on tv?

ethiostar
11-25-2008, 10:44 PM
"unwanted content"

I am interested to know what that means also, outside of porn that is.

hairic
11-25-2008, 11:56 PM
Your perception of the world starts to change as your children get older.

The older they get, the more they need government protection?

I'm grateful for the life porn has given me. I learned many computer skills hiding porn from my parents. :) Without the skills I learned from porn, I'd probably have ended up working as a dietitian or something.

JiggsCasey
11-26-2008, 12:24 AM
The older they get, the more they need government protection?

I'm grateful for the life porn has given me. I learned many computer skills hiding porn from my parents. :) Without the skills I learned from porn, I'd probably have ended up working as a dietitian or something.

classic....

ZeroClub
11-26-2008, 01:25 AM
Wok-a-chicka-BOW-WOW, wok-a-chicka, wok-a-chicka:D

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow sang that song a day or two ago, when discussing infrastructure.

Did you see it?

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 01:46 AM
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow sang that song a day or two ago, when discussing infrastructure.

Did you see it?

No.

I try to avoid Rachel Maddow...except when she's seated next to Pat Buchanan on the discussion panel. I then wonder if Pat is even aware that Rachel is a woman--rather than a highly effeminate-looking young man--and if Chris Matthews is perhaps hiding this bit of information from Pat in order to reveal it at the comically appropriate time.

And then I wonder if, upon learning that Rachel is indeed a woman, Pat would have coronary on the spot?

masomenos
11-26-2008, 01:57 AM
No.

I try to avoid Rachel Maddow...except when she's seated next to Pat Buchanan on the discussion panel. I then wonder if Pat is even aware that Rachel is a woman--rather than a highly effeminate-looking young man--and if Chris Matthews is perhaps hiding this bit of information from Pat in order to reveal it at the comically appropriate time.

And then I wonder if, upon learning that Rachel is indeed a woman, Pat would have coronary on the spot?

Oh, you try to avoid a homosexual woman newscaster?

What is it, sexist or homophobe!? :banghead:

:p:

burmafrd
11-26-2008, 01:59 AM
Sadly most gay women seem to be frankly ugly. Most gay men are prettier then gay women.

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 01:59 AM
Oh, you try to avoid a homosexual woman newscaster?

What is it, sexist or homophobe!? :banghead:

:p:

Both.

In fact, if she were Botswanian, I wouldn't even watch the network.:D

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 02:00 AM
Sadly most gay women seem to be frankly ugly. Most gay men are prettier then gay women.

http://blog.internetnews.com/apatrizio/orly_owl.jpg

:D

masomenos
11-26-2008, 02:02 AM
Both.

In fact, if she were Botswanian, I wouldn't even watch the network.:D

:lmao:

You know, when I typed that up I almost wrote "lesbian woman" instead of "homosexual woman". :o:

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 02:03 AM
:lmao:

You know, when I typed that up I almost wrote "lesbian woman" instead of "homosexual woman". :o:

It's like "godless heathens."

masomenos
11-26-2008, 02:04 AM
Sadly most gay women seem to be frankly ugly. Most gay men are prettier then gay women.

NOW I see why you're afraid of letting gays openly serve in the military. Little too tempting huh?
:eek:

:p:

masomenos
11-26-2008, 02:06 AM
It's like "godless heathens."

Do we ever contribute anything to threads or do we just make fun of peoples comments, talk about out own stupidity/racism/sexism, and post pictures? I'm tempted to say we're lowering the quality of discussion on the political forum.

But then again...

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 02:13 AM
Do we ever contribute anything to threads or do we just make fun of peoples comments, talk about out own stupidity/racism/sexism, and post pictures? I'm tempted to say we're lowering the quality of discussion on the political forum.

But then again...

When I learned that articles within Mother Jones were indicative of "hard-hitting, investigative journalism," I simultaneously realized we lived in world gone awry, and I just stopped caring.

The way I look at it, I'm engaging in hard-hitting investigative posting, Mother Jones-style.:D

masomenos
11-26-2008, 02:20 AM
When I learned that articles within Mother Jones were indicative of "hard-hitting, investigative journalism," I simultaneously realized we lived in world gone awry, and I just stopped caring.

The way I look at it, I'm engaging in hard-hitting investigative posting, Mother Jones-style.:D

Personally, I think we should get in contact with the major networks and see if we can get a two person commentary show to fill the void left by Hannity & Colmes. It'll be gold!

"TWO TEXANS! ONE HOUR! NO SURVIVORS!"

ScipioCowboy
11-26-2008, 02:32 AM
Personally, I think we should get in contact with the major networks and see if we can get a two person commentary show to fill the void left by Hannity & Colmes. It'll be gold!

"TWO TEXANS! ONE HOUR! NO SURVIVORS!"

Our first topic of discussion can be the very issue that Burm just broached: If someone forced you at gunpoint to make a choice, would you rather do a gay man or Rachal Maddow?

Maso, in your heart of hearts, you know what the answer would be.:D

masomenos
11-26-2008, 03:26 AM
Our first topic of discussion can be the very issue that Burm just broached: If someone forced you at gunpoint to make a choice, would you rather do a gay man or Rachal Maddow?

Maso, in your heart of hearts, you know what the answer would be.:D

I am flying to San Francisco tomorrow! :eek:

ZeroClub
11-26-2008, 04:43 AM
I know that she's too far left for most here, but I enjoy her.

Bachelor's from Stanford. Rhodes scholar. Doctorate in political science from Oxford. She's gotta be one of the most well educated people to host a cable infotainment political show.