Newest 2009 Mock

[Chris in Arizona]

I'm going with us getting the following Compensatory Picks:
5th for Julius Jones
6th for Jacques Reeves
7th for Nate Jones

2nd (Dallas) - Gerald McRath ILB 6-3/225 Southern Miss
3rd (Cleveland) - B.J. Raji NT 6-1/325 Boston College
3rd (*)- Javier Arenas CB 5-9/198 Alabama
*Traded both 4th round picks to move into the 3rd round.
5th (Dallas) - Chase Holbrook QB 6-5/245 New Mexico State
5th (Tennesee) - Paul Fanaika G 6-6/336 Arizona State
5th (compensatory) - Michael Bennett OLB 6-4/262 Texas A&M
6th (Miami) - Garrett Reynolds T 6-7/310 North Carolina
6th (compensatory) - Brandon Swain OLB 6-3/256 West Texa A&M
7th (Detroit) - Dallas Reynolds C 6-5/324 BYU
7th (Dallas) - David Buehler K 6-2/225 USC
7th (compensatory) - Willie Williams LB 6-3/228 Union (Ky)

McRath will come in and replace Kevin Burnett as a reserve inside linebacker but more importantly, learn from Zach Thomas so he can replace him in a year or two. Raji gives them a true 3-4 nose tackle and allows Jay Ratliff to occasionally slide outside to end. Arenas is small (5'9") but will contribute as a nickelback and kick retuner. He joins Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick to give the Cowboys sme of the best cornerback depth around. Holbrook becomes the "quarterback of the future" in Dallas and should surpass Brooks Bollinger on the depth chart soon. Fanaika, Garrett Reynolds, and Dallas Reynolds should challenge Cory Proctor, Joe Berger, and Pat McQusitan for reserve lineman jobs. Bennett, the older brother of Martellus, and Swain are college defensive ends that Dallas will try to convert to 3-4 pass-rushing outside linebackers and help fill the void left by deprted veteran Greg Ellis. Buehler will not challenge Folk, although he was a pretty good kicker. He was drafted for his ability (and Folk's inability) to drive kickoffs into the endzone. At 6'2", 225 lbs and a former junior college linebacker, he isn't afraid to run down field and make tackles. Williams is a low risk in the 7th round but the former five-star recruit has seen his share of legal troubles. He has played or been enrolled at five colleges but has stayed out of trouble and has shown flashes of his high school potential.

2009 2-Deep
LT Flozell Adams/Doug Free
LG Kyle Kosier/ Montrae Holland
C Andre Gurode/Dallas Reynolds
RG Leonard Davis/Paul Fanaika
RT Marc Colombo/Garrett Reynolds
TE Jason Witten/Martellus Bennett
WR Roy Williams/Miles Austin
QB Tony Romo/Brooks Bollinger
RB Marion Barber/Felix Jones
FB Deon Anderson ^Tashard Choice

LDE Marcus Spears/Jason Hatcher
NT Jay Ratliff/BJ Raji
RDE Chris Canty/Stephen Bowen
LOLB Anthony Spencer/Michael Bennett
LILB Bradie James/Carlos Polk
RILB Zach Thomas/Gerald McRath
ROLB DeMarcus Ware/Brandon Swain
LCB Terrence Newman/Orlando Scandrick
SS Ken Hamlin/Keith Davis
FS Anthony Henry/Pat Watkins
RCB Adam Jones/Mike Jenkins

We cut Greg Ellis and Roy Williams for cap reasons and let Kevin Burnett and Tank Johnson walk. Sam Hurd and Bobbie Carpenter are traded for 2010 draft picks. Cap room is used to re-sign Canty and Ware,

So I basically went for improving our o-line depth, linebacking depth, and trying to address some special teams needs. I also added a NT and a QB to groom. Have at it.

[the playmaker]

I'm going with us getting the following Compensatory Picks:
5th for Julius Jones
6th for Jacques Reeves
7th for Nate Jones

2nd (Dallas) - Gerald McRath ILB 6-3/225 Southern Miss
3rd (Cleveland) - B.J. Raji NT 6-1/325 Boston College
3rd (*)- Javier Arenas CB 5-9/198 Alabama
*Traded both 4th round picks to move into the 3rd round.
5th (Dallas) - Chase Holbrook QB 6-5/245 New Mexico State
5th (Tennesee) - Paul Fanaika G 6-6/336 Arizona State
5th (compensatory) - Michael Bennett OLB 6-4/262 Texas A&M
6th (Miami) - Garrett Reynolds T 6-7/310 North Carolina
6th (compensatory) - Brandon Swain OLB 6-3/256 West Texa A&M
7th (Detroit) - Dallas Reynolds C 6-5/324 BYU
7th (Dallas) - David Buehler K 6-2/225 USC
7th (compensatory) - Willie Williams LB 6-3/228 Union (Ky)

McRath will come in and replace Kevin Burnett as a reserve inside linebacker but more importantly, learn from Zach Thomas so he can replace him in a year or two. Raji gives them a true 3-4 nose tackle and allows Jay Ratliff to occasionally slide outside to end. Arenas is small (5'9") but will contribute as a nickelback and kick retuner. He joins Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick to give the Cowboys sme of the best cornerback depth around. Holbrook becomes the "quarterback of the future" in Dallas and should surpass Brooks Bollinger on the depth chart soon. Fanaika, Garrett Reynolds, and Dallas Reynolds should challenge Cory Proctor, Joe Berger, and Pat McQusitan for reserve lineman jobs. Bennett, the older brother of Martellus, and Swain are college defensive ends that Dallas will try to convert to 3-4 pass-rushing outside linebackers and help fill the void left by deprted veteran Greg Ellis. Buehler will not challenge Folk, although he was a pretty good kicker. He was drafted for his ability (and Folk's inability) to drive kickoffs into the endzone. At 6'2", 225 lbs and a former junior college linebacker, he isn't afraid to run down field and make tackles. Williams is a low risk in the 7th round but the former five-star recruit has seen his share of legal troubles. He has played or been enrolled at five colleges but has stayed out of trouble and has shown flashes of his high school potential.

2009 2-Deep
LT Flozell Adams/Doug Free
LG Kyle Kosier/ Montrae Holland
C Andre Gurode/Dallas Reynolds
RG Leonard Davis/Paul Fanaika
RT Marc Colombo/Garrett Reynolds
TE Jason Witten/Martellus Bennett
WR Roy Williams/Miles Austin
QB Tony Romo/Brooks Bollinger
RB Marion Barber/Felix Jones
FB Deon Anderson ^Tashard Choice

LDE Marcus Spears/Jason Hatcher
NT Jay Ratliff/BJ Raji
RDE Chris Canty/Stephen Bowen
LOLB Anthony Spencer/Michael Bennett
LILB Bradie James/Carlos Polk
RILB Zach Thomas/Gerald McRath
ROLB DeMarcus Ware/Brandon Swain
LCB Terrence Newman/Orlando Scandrick
SS Ken Hamlin/Keith Davis
FS Anthony Henry/Pat Watkins
RCB Adam Jones/Mike Jenkins

We cut Greg Ellis and Roy Williams for cap reasons and let Kevin Burnett and Tank Johnson walk. Sam Hurd and Bobbie Carpenter are traded for 2010 draft picks. Cap room is used to re-sign Canty and Ware,

So I basically went for improving our o-line depth, linebacking depth, and trying to address some special teams needs. I also added a NT and a QB to groom. Have at it.
we need a true safty!!!!! maybe 2...Davis, Watkins and Henry will NOT be our FS/SS next season:bang2:

[Chris in Arizona]

I wouldn't mind us adding a true ballhawking FS but I'd like to see what Henry can do back there. He has the size, obviously has coverage skills, and doesn't shy away from contact. Guys like Rod Woodson, Corey Chavous, Dwight Smith, and Antrell Rolle have made the change and have had success.

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't like this draft.....especially the K part.

[ThatsmyQB]

You want to use out top pick on a L.B. who's WAY WAY WAY TOO SMALL to play in the 3-4????

Then you want to trade TWO 4th rounders to move up in the 3rd and draft a C.B.????
Even WITHOUT Henry next year we'd have Newman and Pacman starting at C.B., and have Jenkins as our 3rd C.B. and Scrandrick as a 4th C.B., so WHY ON EARTH would we trade away TWO 4th round picks to draft a guy who is gonna be 5th on the C.B. depth chart?

Also Raji is a mide to late 1st rounder on most people's boards, he will not be there in round 3.

Horrible draft all around and EVERYONE in our front office would get fired if this was their draft.

[DaBoys4Life]

You want to use out top pick on a L.B. who's WAY WAY WAY TOO SMALL to play in the 3-4????

Then you want to trade TWO 4th rounders to move up in the 3rd and draft a C.B.????
Even WITHOUT Henry next year we'd have Newman and Pacman starting at C.B., and have Jenkins as our 3rd C.B. and Scrandrick as a 4th C.B., so WHY ON EARTH would we trade away TWO 4th round picks to draft a guy who is gonna be 5th on the C.B. depth chart?

Also Raji is a mide to late 1st rounder on most people's boards, he will not be there in round 3.

Horrible draft all around and EVERYONE in our front office would get fired if this was their draft.

link me to where Raji is projecting in the first round.

[Bob Sacamano]

I like this draft

except for you committ 2 of my cardinal sins for mock drafts

you include underclassmen and you trade *tisk* *tisk*

[ThatsmyQB]

link me to where Raji is projecting in the first round.

NFL Draftcountdown has him 13th overall.

]Correction they have him 11th overall.

GBN Great Blue North has him ranked 38th overall.

[Chris in Arizona]

You want to use out top pick on a L.B. who's WAY WAY WAY TOO SMALL to play in the 3-4????

Then you want to trade TWO 4th rounders to move up in the 3rd and draft a C.B.????
Even WITHOUT Henry next year we'd have Newman and Pacman starting at C.B., and have Jenkins as our 3rd C.B. and Scrandrick as a 4th C.B., so WHY ON EARTH would we trade away TWO 4th round picks to draft a guy who is gonna be 5th on the C.B. depth chart?

Also Raji is a mide to late 1st rounder on most people's boards, he will not be there in round 3.

Horrible draft all around and EVERYONE in our front office would get fired if this was their draft.

McRath is like 20, he will get bigger. The guy's an athletic freak and a hitter. My reasoning for trading up is 1) we have a talent-full, veteran roster. Not too many rookies will make the team. 2) There's always an underclassmen or two who start slipping in the draft. 3) Henry would be a free safety, Pacman is a dirty stare away from never playing football again, Newman is always injured. So I went for a talented cornerback who may slip because he's 5'9".

I've seen Raji in the 1st of 1 mock draft, which by the way, most are ran by people no more qualified than you or I. Mostly I see him anywhere from 2nd to 4th round. It's too early to tell. Last year this time, Calais Campbell from Miami was a top 5 pick in most mocks. He ended up going 50th overall.

If our front office didn't get fired for the Shante Carver, Quincy Carter, or Dwayne Goodrich drafts then I think I'm safe. Quit being so dramatic.

[Chris in Arizona]

I like this draft

except for you committ 2 of my cardinal sins for mock drafts

you include underclassmen and you trade *tisk* *tisk*

Expect a lot of underclassmen this year. Agents have them all paranoid that a "rookie cap" is coming in the next collective bargaining agreement.

[Bob Sacamano]

Expect a lot of underclassmen this year. Agents have them all paranoid that a "rookie cap" is coming in the next collective bargaining agreement.

that's a good point...

[Manwiththeplan]

Expect a lot of underclassmen this year. Agents have them all paranoid that a "rookie cap" is coming in the next collective bargaining agreement.

the "rookie cap" will only effect the top 5 to 10 picks, so only guys who have a shot, even if it's slim, to go in the top 5ish, will feel the pressure to come out now.

[Chris in Arizona]

where have u seen that? so the 10th guy selected will be capped but the 11th selection can get whatever contract he wants OR the team wants to pay him? I'd feel sorry for the team with the 10th selection every year. No player or agent would talk to them.

Everything I've read would put a cap on all draft choices, with the highest picks getting the most money and then gradually working down, similar to the NBA draft.

[DaBoys4Life]

NFL Draftcountdown has him 13th overall.

]Correction they have him 11th overall.

GBN Great Blue North has him ranked 38th overall.

There's 32 teams in the NFL.

Don't you list 3 sites as being really good? And your top sites regrading the draft? You should tell us what nfldraftscout and what walterfootball have him going....Great blue north....nice....never heard you mention that website before.

[ThatsmyQB]

[quote=Chris in SoCal;2480346]McRath is like 20, he will get bigger. The guy's an athletic freak and a hitter. My reasoning for trading up is 1) we have a talent-full, veteran roster. Not too many rookies will make the team. 2) There's always an underclassmen or two who start slipping in the draft. 3) Henry would be a free safety, Pacman is a dirty stare away from never playing football again, Newman is always injured. So I went for a talented cornerback who may slip because he's 5'9".


Why does everyone says Newmna is ALWAYS INJURED???
This year he's been banged up but his whole career he missed like one game.
Even with Henry gone or moved to safety, and even if Pacman gets thrown out of the league, we'd have our 2 starters in Newman Jenkins with Scandrick
as the nickle, and that's IF Pacman gets thrown out of the league, but AT BEST even with Pacman gone he'd be our 4th corner and I don't want to trade away TWO 4th round picks for a guy who AT BEST CASE SCENARIO is our 4th corner.




I've seen Raji in the 1st of 1 mock draft, which by the way, most are ran by people no more qualified than you or I. Mostly I see him anywhere from 2nd to 4th round. It's too early to tell. Last year this time, Calais Campbell from Miami was a top 5 pick in most mocks. He ended up going 50th overall.

If our front office didn't get fired for the Shante Carver, Quincy Carter, or Dwayne Goodrich drafts then I think I'm safe. Quit being so dramatic


Actually they did get fired, but they at least drafted for NEED at a starting position, why on earth would we use our TOP PICK on a guy who's GUARANTEED to be a BACKUP unless there's an injury??
I don't mind using a 4th rounder on a good backup O-lineman who could start one day, but our top pick???

[ThatsmyQB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatsmyQB http://cowboyszone.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2480317#post2480317)
NFL Draftcountdown has him 13th overall.

]Correction they have him 11th overall.

GBN Great Blue North has him ranked 38th overall.

There's 32 teams in the NFL.



I said at least ONE SITE has him as a 1st rounder, and 11th overall is a 1st rounder.
I mentioned GBN had him 38th to give another site that has him rated early is all, that was not meant to mean GBN had him as a 1st rounder, more so to just point out how high he is ranked on some boards and that I feel there's no way he's gonna be available in round 3.



Don't you list 3 sites as being really good? And your top sites regrading the draft? You should tell us what nfldraftscout and what walterfootball have him going....Great blue north....nice....never heard you mention that website before.

Um, I DID tell you waht NFL draftscout had him listed, 11th overall.

GBN has him 38th, and walter doesn't list exact number, just says round 2.

So based on 3 very good sites, one that has him ranked round 2, one has him 38th overall and one has him in the top 15, #11 overall to be exact, that is how I come to the conclusion at this point in the year to say he will not be there with our 3rd round pick.
Coudl he be, sure, anything is possible, but based off this data, I can only assume at this point that he will not be there in round 3 when we pick.

All I'm saying is if you wanna do a mock draft, do some research and be a little realistic, Michael Crabtree is a top 10 pick on basically every board, can he slip to round 2, sure anything's possible, NOT LIKELY but possible, but based off everyone's projection and I was making a mock draft, I wouldn't put him down as our 2nd round pick, and same thing with Raji, enough people on good sites mostly have him rated as a mid 1st to mid 2nd rounder at worst, so to put him as a 3rd rounder in a mock to me is not being realistic is all, could he fall, sure, but you have to make a mock on where most people project him IMO, otherwise it's just wishfull thinking and I can make a mock where I have us trading up to early 2nd round cause Micheal Crabtree fell to round 2, could he? sure, will he? Very very highly unlikely and wouldn't be an accurate mock IMO.

[DaBoys4Life]

I said at least ONE SITE has him as a 1st rounder, and 11th overall is a 1st rounder.
I mentioned GBN had him 38th to give another site that has him rated early is all, that was not meant to mean GBN had him as a 1st rounder, more so to just point out how high he is ranked on some boards and that I feel there's no way he's gonna be available in round 3.





Um, I DID tell you waht NFL draftscout had him listed, 11th overall.

GBN has him 38th, and walter doesn't list exact number, just says round 2.

So based on 3 very good sites, one that has him ranked round 2, one has him 38th overall and one has him in the top 15, #11 overall to be exact, that is how I come to the conclusion at this point in the year to say he will not be there with our 3rd round pick.
Coudl he be, sure, anything is possible, but based off this data, I can only assume at this point that he will not be there in round 3 when we pick.

All I'm saying is if you wanna do a mock draft, do some research and be a little realistic, Michael Crabtree is a top 10 pick on basically every board, can he slip to round 2, sure anything's possible, NOT LIKELY but possible, but based off everyone's projection and I was making a mock draft, I wouldn't put him down as our 2nd round pick, and same thing with Raji, enough people on good sites mostly have him rated as a mid 1st to mid 2nd rounder at worst, so to put him as a 3rd rounder in a mock to me is not being realistic is all, could he fall, sure, but you have to make a mock on where most people project him IMO, otherwise it's just wishfull thinking and I can make a mock where I have us trading up to early 2nd round cause Micheal Crabtree fell to round 2, could he? sure, will he? Very very highly unlikely and wouldn't be an accurate mock IMO.

you getting confused between nfldraftscout and nfldraftcoutdown. FYI they don't have him ranked 11th overall they have him ranked 11 out of the top 32 seniors....

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php (http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php)

Their round 1 mock.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

nice try though.

[Chris in Arizona]

There's a tad bit of a difference between a no-doubt-about-it talent like Michael Crabtree somehow slipping and a NT with a questionable past slipping.

I actually look at all of the mocks ( I know, I need a life) and at this time, I feel it is not at all unrealistic that Raji could go anywhere from late 1st to early 3rd. That can change as the draft gets closer. His performance in the Senior Bowl, Combine, and Boston College's Pro Day will change everyone's projection.

I wouldn't put someone in the 3rd just because of wishful thinking. I'm going with the information that's out there. I also expect a ton of underclassmen to declare so that is going to possibly push guys like Raji, Herman Johnson, Phil Loadhalt, etc. down later in the draft. It's all opinion right now. Stop saying this won't happen or that won't happen. No one in the world had DeMarcus Ware going as high in mocks as he went this time of year his senior season. Players' stock are going to go up and down.

[ThatsmyQB]

you getting confused between nfldraftscout and nfldraftcoutdown. FYI they don't have him ranked 11th overall they have him ranked 11 out of the top 32 seniors....

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php (http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Rankings.php)

Their round 1 mock.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

nice try though.


Nice try though???
HUH???
I didn't get draftscout confused with draftocuntdown AT ALL, what are you talkin about?
My bad, he's ranked 11th overall for seniors, so that must mean I was wrong about him not being a 3rd round prospect! :lmao2:

[ThatsmyQB]

Stop saying this won't happen or that won't happen. No one in the world had DeMarcus Ware going as high in mocks as he went this time of year his senior season. Players' stock are going to go up and down.


UM, I never said players stocks couldn't go up and down in fact that's EXACTLY what I DID SAY is that players can go up and down.
But for right now in making a mock I feel selecting Raji in round 3 is a stretch is all.

[DaBoys4Life]

Nice try though???
HUH???
I didn't get draftscout confused with draftocuntdown AT ALL, what are you talkin about?
My bad, he's ranked 11th overall for seniors, so that must mean I was wrong about him not being a 3rd round prospect! :lmao2:

Go back and read what you wrote. You said it yourself.

First you qoute where NFLdraftcoutdown has him at then you say that it was NFLdraftscout...... but yeah....11th overall for seniors doesn't mean anything. The same site that has him ranked 11th overall for seniors doesn't even have him going in the first round in their mock what do you have to say about that?

[ThatsmyQB]

but yeah....11th overall for seniors doesn't mean anything. The same site that has him ranked 11th overall for seniors doesn't even have him going in the first round in their mock what do you have to say about that?

SIMPLE, you rank your players on who's the best regardless of position, where as a MOCK, you have a team take a player at a position of NEED for that team.
Most 3-4 teams have a big N.T. already like the Jets/Chargers/Steelers so they wouldn't have those 3-4 teams selecting Raji, NOT CAUSE he's not worthy of that high a selection, but cause they don't have the need for that position.

It's basically like when Brady quinn started to fall, once he got past a certain team, there was like 11 teams in a row who didn't have a need for a Q.B. and thus while he was rated higher by most people, they passed on him, GOT IT NOW?
Geez, I swear, why is it I need to explain EVERYTHING to you?
So just cause they didn't have him going in their mock is meaningless, he's ranked 11th overall for seniors, which tells me they must think he's a 1st round talent, REGARDLESS of the fact he didn't go in the mock draft cause mocks are based on NEEDs a team has along with the skill of a player, and like I said, the Steelers have Casey Hampton, the Jets got Kris Jenkins, chargers has Williams, Miami has Ferguson, Browns have Shaun Rogers, pats have Wilfork, etc., so hence the reason he was not in their mock in the 1st round, I bet if we had a 1st round pick, they would have him going to us.
BOTTOM LINE, who cares if he went in the 1st round mock or not?
They have him ranked 11th OVERALL for seniors, which for this DISCUSSION tells me they think he's not gonna be around in round THREE, and that was the point of this!!!!

I swear my 5 year old nephew knows more about football then you, and I don't have to EXPLAIN the simplest COMMON SENSE things to him!

[DaBoys4Life]

SIMPLE, you rank your players on who's the best regardless of position, where as a MOCK, you have a team take a player at a position of NEED for that team.
Most 3-4 teams have a big N.T. already like the Jets/Chargers/Steelers so they wouldn't have those 3-4 teams selecting Raji, NOT CAUSE he's not worthy of that high a selection, but cause they don't have the need for that position.

It's basically like when Brady quinn started to fall, once he got past a certain team, there was like 11 teams in a row who didn't have a need for a Q.B. and thus while he was rated higher by most people, they passed on him, GOT IT NOW?
Geez, I swear, why is it I need to explain EVERYTHING to you?
So jkust cause they didn't have him going in their mock is meaningless, he's ranked 11th overall for seniors, which tells me they must think he's a 1st round talent, REGARDLESS of the fact he didn't go in the mock draft cause mocks are based on NEEDs a team has along with the skill of a player, and like I said, the Steelers have Casey Hampton, the Jets got Kris Jenkins, chargers has Williams, Miami has Ferguson, Browns have Shaun Rogers, pats have Wilfork, etc., so hence the reason he was not in their mock in the 1st round, I bet if we had a 1st round pick, they would have him going to us.
BOTTOM LINE, who cares if he went in the 1st round mock or not?
They have him ranked 11th OVERALL for seniors, which for this DISCUSSION tells me they think he's not gonna be around in round THREE, and that was the point of this!!!!


your so full of it it's not even funny. keep on spinning it.

[ThatsmyQB]

your so full of it it's not even funny. keep on spinning it.

What am I full of?????
Explain what I made up and am FULL OF IT ABOUT!


WHAT???????????????

WHAT AM I SPINNING??????????????????????????????????????

Is it NOT A FACT that most all the 3-4 teams have their N.T. in place so that they don't have a need in round 1 for a N.T.?????????

Is it NOT STILL A FACT he's ranked 11th overall for seniors????

So you think that a guy they have ranked 11th overall for seniors and BECAUSE he's not in their 1st round mock, that SOMEHOW MEANS he has a very good chance to be there in round THREE????

Seriously, did you eat paint chips as a kid????

You think I am SPINNING THIS??
It's called EXPLAINING IT TO YOU using COMMON SENSE, FACTS to BACKUP WHAT I SAY, and LOGIC, not my fault you are too dumb to understand LOGIC and COMMON SENSE!!!!!!

[Manwiththeplan]

where have u seen that? so the 10th guy selected will be capped but the 11th selection can get whatever contract he wants OR the team wants to pay him? I'd feel sorry for the team with the 10th selection every year. No player or agent would talk to them.

Everything I've read would put a cap on all draft choices, with the highest picks getting the most money and then gradually working down, similar to the NBA draft.

You took my meaning to literal. From what I've been hearing most rookie salaries will remain the same because it's those giant bonus' and escalators that are causing problems. Think about Larry Fitzgerald's contract before he signed and extension or Julius Peppers cap number this season (and these were 2 guys that lived up to the hype). The cost of putting the franchise tag on one of these guys would eat up about 20% of the cap (remember each position is slotted, but the franchise tag also gives you a certain % raise over your previos years salary/cap number).

The guys picked outside the top ten will still follow the same rules, but will end up making about the same weather they're drafted in 09' or 2010 because they aren't the problem

[Biggems]

2 - OLB Connor Barwin - 6'4 255 - Cincinnati
3 - C/G Jonathan Luigs - 6'4 314 - Arkansas
4 - CB Joe Burnett - 5'11 184 - UCF
4 - S Sean Smith - 6'3 214 - Utah
5 - OT Garrett Reynolds - 6'7 310 - UNC
5 - CB Mark Parsons - 5'10 192 - Ohio
5 - ILB Daniel Holtzclaw - 6'1 246 - Eastern Michigan
6 - OL Dallas Reynolds - 6'5 328 - BYU
6 - S Darcel McBath - 6'1 196 - TT
7 - OLB Kenny Mainor - 6'4 241 - Troy
7 - QB Mike Reilly - 6'4 212 - Central Washington
7 - DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4 328 - Stillman

QB - 1
OL - 3
DL - 1
LB - 3
CB - 2
S - 2

QB - Romo, Reilly
RB - Barber, Choice, Jones
FB - Anderson
WR - TO, Williams, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Stanback
TE - Witten, Bennett, Hannah
OL - Adams, Gurode, Luigs, Davis, Colombo, Kosier, Reynolds, Reynolds, Free, Holland
K - Folk

DE - Canty, Ratliff, Spears, Hatcher, Bowen
DT - Hill (Ratliff and Spears are backups)
OLB - Ware, Spencer, Barwin, Mainor
ILB - James, Thomas, Burnett, Holtzclaw, Polk
CB - Newman, Scandrick, Jenkins, PacMan, Burnett, Parsons
S - Hamlin, Henry, Smith, McBath
P - McBriar
LS - LPL

Goodbye - Brad AARPson, Bollinger, Curtis, McQuistan, Proctor, Ellis, Crapenter, Watkins, Ball, Brown, Sam P and Biscuit

[Chris in Arizona]

a 7th rounder comes in and starts on D ?

[Biggems]

a 7th rounder comes in and starts on D ?

Why not? He is a big ole NT that we have been looking for.

We go big with Ratliff, Hill, Spears to start off the game. We infuse Canty, Hatcher, and Bowen on obvious passing downs.....

[DaBoys4Life]

2 - OLB Connor Barwin - 6'4 255 - Cincinnati
3 - C/G Jonathan Luigs - 6'4 314 - Arkansas
4 - CB Joe Burnett - 5'11 184 - UCF
4 - S Sean Smith - 6'3 214 - Utah
5 - OT Garrett Reynolds - 6'7 310 - UNC
5 - CB Mark Parsons - 5'10 192 - Ohio
5 - ILB Daniel Holtzclaw - 6'1 246 - Eastern Michigan
6 - OL Dallas Reynolds - 6'5 328 - BYU
6 - S Darcel McBath - 6'1 196 - TT
7 - OLB Kenny Mainor - 6'4 241 - Troy
7 - QB Mike Reilly - 6'4 212 - Central Washington
7 - DT Sammie Lee Hill - 6'4 328 - Stillman


I really like the picks in bold the other picks I don't know enough about.

[Biggems]

I really like the picks in bold the other picks I don't know enough about.


Luigs was the Center who blocked for McFadden, Felix, and Hillis. Go back and look at their rushing numbers up the middle and that tells you what you need to know about Luigs. He is a tough, mean, physical Center. I know we have Gurode, but I am tired of his poor snaps and poor timing with Romo. I want someone who will do it right and be a better leader of the OL. Gurode can always slide over to G......or he can stay at C and let Luigs go to G. Either way, I want a top notch C prospect who can push Gurode to meet his fullest potential.

Joe Burnett is a very good CB. He has accumulated over 12 interceptions in his career. He is also a solid KR.

Sean Smith, I know very little about. However, I like his size and speed. I have read that he is does a good job in coverage and creates turnovers

Mark Parsons is very, very fast. He also has great technique. For a small guy, he plays physical. He loves to jam WRs at the line and disrupt the flow of their routes. He also has a knack for creating turnovers.

Darcel McBath is the starting safety for the much improved TT defense. He seems to always be around the ball...and does a nice job of creating turnovers.

Kenny Mainor is a pass rushing specialist. I think he and Ware would have fun competing with one another on who can be the most productive Troy alumnist.

Mike Reilly.....now that Colt McCoy has decided to stay at UT for his senior year....Reilly is my favorite QB in the draft. He has consistently had a mid 60s completion percentage. He has a high TD/INT ratio. He can tuck the ball and run if need be. He is very mobile and elusive in the pocket. He is definitely the perfect fit to backup Romo.

[Manwiththeplan]

Why not? He is a big ole NT that we have been looking for.

We go big with Ratliff, Hill, Spears to start off the game. We infuse Canty, Hatcher, and Bowen on obvious passing downs.....

being big is not everything. remember we did draft montavious stanley in the 6th round in 06' and babatunde oshinawa went a few picks before, both guys definately had the size but failed as 3-4 NT. If we wait till round 7, we better hope he atleast makes the team, let alone start

[Biggems]

being big is not everything. remember we did draft montavious stanley in the 6th round in 06' and babatunde oshinawa went a few picks before, both guys definately had the size but failed as 3-4 NT. If we wait till round 7, we better hope he atleast makes the team, let alone start


Well Hill has been quite productive at Stillman. Also, if you read his interviews, he seems to have his head on straight and a positive work ethic. He looks like one of those players that eats soup with a fork. (the fork thing is from Kenny Smith of TNT.....thats his way of saying the player in hungry to succeed)

As far as waiting till the 7th.....Honestly it doesn't matter the round you get your starters in. Look at all the garbage we have drafted in the first 4 rounds over the past 13 years or so. If not for the Galloway trade, we might have drafted 2 more pieces of garbage, based on our drafting trends at that time. We had Carver, Ekuban, LaFleur, Shiver, Carpenter, Quincy, Henson, Fasano, Rogers, Petermann, Bjornson, Blade, Ross, Green, Goodrich, etc.....look at all the picks we wasted on players that did little or nothing for us. Sadly, out of all of the above players, Quincy Carter was the most productive for us.

We have Barber, Choice, Scandrick, Ball, Brown, Ratliff, Romo, Crayton, Stanback, Canty, and others all of which who we got in the 4th and later....some we signed as undrafted FAs.

IMO, the only reason he falls so far in the draft, is because he went to Stillman. Had he gone to an SEC, ACC, or Big 12 school, I feel he would be rated in the 2nd or 3rd round....

[Manwiththeplan]

Well Hill has been quite productive at Stillman. Also, if you read his interviews, he seems to have his head on straight and a positive work ethic. He looks like one of those players that eats soup with a fork. (the fork thing is from Kenny Smith of TNT.....thats his way of saying the player in hungry to succeed)

As far as waiting till the 7th.....Honestly it doesn't matter the round you get your starters in. Look at all the garbage we have drafted in the first 4 rounds over the past 13 years or so. If not for the Galloway trade, we might have drafted 2 more pieces of garbage, based on our drafting trends at that time. We had Carver, Ekuban, LaFleur, Shiver, Carpenter, Quincy, Henson, Fasano, Rogers, Petermann, Bjornson, Blade, Ross, Green, Goodrich, etc.....look at all the picks we wasted on players that did little or nothing for us. Sadly, out of all of the above players, Quincy Carter was the most productive for us.

We have Barber, Choice, Scandrick, Ball, Brown, Ratliff, Romo, Crayton, Stanback, Canty, and others all of which who we got in the 4th and later....some we signed as undrafted FAs.

IMO, the only reason he falls so far in the draft, is because he went to Stillman. Had he gone to an SEC, ACC, or Big 12 school, I feel he would be rated in the 2nd or 3rd round....

I agree that you can get quality later in the draft, but the odds of them starting as rookies is so slim that you shouldn't include it in your plan

[VACowboy]

I love Luig and Holtzclaw. And I don't think Swain lasts that long, but that guy is gonna be a steal somewhere between the 4th and 6th rounds.

[dallasfaniac]

I didn't want to start a new thread, so just added to this existing one. I haven't updated my spreadsheets in some time and senior bowl, etc. are still a ways away, so some players may be reaches or long gone on draft day.

2) FS - Derek Peques
3) OT/G - Fenuki Tupou
4) ILB - Worrell Williams
4) WR - Quan Cosby
5) DT - Terrance Taylor
5) FS/CB - Sherrod Martin
6) ILB - Jasper Brinkley
7) OT - William Beatty
7) DT - Sammie Lee Hill