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Biggems
01-20-2009, 10:10 PM
Ok now I do not know how realistic this is, since some of these players seem to be soaring up the board. So here it goes.......With one of our 5ths, we traded down a few spots and added a 6th
2 - CB/S Sean Smith Utah - 6'3 215
I really hope he is still there when we draft. I have seen him in the first on a few mocks. I think he can be our future FS.....we just need him to fall to us at 52.
3 - OLB Clay Matthews USC - 6'3 240
I am not a huge fan of Trojan LBs. However, this kid can play. He is a 3rd generation NFLer. I know his dad and uncle are in the HOF, not sure if his grandfather is. However, those are some darn good genetics.
4 - SS Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin - 6'2 225
Silver Bear has warmed me up to this pick. He keeps comparing him to Darren Woodson. I have read up on the guy and he is fast, hits, and tackles. He has to be better than any SS we currently have on the team.
4 - DE Roy Miller Texas - 6'1 300
He played DT in college, and could even play it for the Cowboys. However, I move him to DE opposite Ratliff. I think he would wreak havoc on the end. He would open things up for our OLBs to rush the passer.
5 - CB Joe Burnett UCF - 5'11 185
I am not sure if he lasts till the 5th round, but I hope so. He is a ballhawking CB. We need playmakers in the secondary and he is definitely one.
5 - ILB Jasper Brinkley USC - 6'2 270
I am hoping he drops this far. I am not a big fan of his, but the kid can ball. He is a tackling machine, something the interior of our defense is sorely lacking.
5 - WR Jarrett Dillard Rice - 5'11 185
He is a touchdown machine. He is fast, quick, acrobatic, and will go after any ball....usually coming down with it, especially in the end zone. I want Quan Cosby, but Dillard is 3 years younger. I want Deon Butler, but Dillard is a proven commodity.
6 - DT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman - 6'3 330
He may go higher, but I am hoping that the small school thing holds him back. I think he is going to be a steal. He is a high character guy and plays like a beast.
6 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury Richmond - 6'4 265
You want smart.....this guy is one of the smartest guys in the draft. While at Richmond, he designed a computer program that his team used to calculate opponent defensive tendencies. The kid can get to the QB too.
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I have been on his bandwagon for a very long time. Since Colt is going back to UT, Reilly is my guy.
7 - OT Ryan Delrosal Dixie St. - 6'5 313
Big, athletic, agile....and can play both Tackle positions
7 - OG George Bussey Louisville - 6'2 306
Plays with a mean streak. A very good run blocker. Can get out and pull. Played OT in college, but most likely will be an OG in the NFL. His versatility is an asset.
7 - OL Dallas Reynolds BYU - 6'5 330
Can play all 5 OL positions. This type of versatility is valuable from your backups.
Bob Sacamano
01-20-2009, 10:13 PM
Roy Miller only stands 6'1", he'll be a NT in our scheme
all-around solid mock, although I have to disagree that Dillard is fast, or quick, he's probably a 4.55 guy, he's just very smooth getting into his routes and catches everything
Biggems
01-20-2009, 10:26 PM
Roy Miller only stands 6'1", he'll be a NT in our scheme
all-around solid mock, although I have to disagree that Dillard is fast, or quick, he's probably a 4.55 guy, he's just very smooth getting into his routes and catches everything
You are right about Miller....it was a typo....thank you for catching that.
As far as Dillard......whenever I see him, he is always open. So maybe it is because he does a great job with his routes more than his speed. I just know he doesn't get caught from behind when he catches it.
Hostile
01-20-2009, 11:05 PM
Best I have seen so far.
Biggems
01-20-2009, 11:18 PM
Best I have seen so far.
thanks....unfortunately I dont think Sean Smith will be there when we pick in the 2nd....if not, I take Clay Matthews there in a heart beat.
Bob Sacamano
01-20-2009, 11:36 PM
thanks....unfortunately I dont think Sean Smith will be there when we pick in the 2nd....if not, I take Clay Matthews there in a heart beat.
start thinking about taking Tenn DE Robert Ayers there
he was getting the best of Michael Oher alot on Monday, and we like to draft those SEC guys
SLATEmosphere
01-20-2009, 11:43 PM
I like how you say you dont like USC LB, yet you have two of them on your mock draft.HA. But Ya I like those guys also. I really hope we could get Cushing and Sean Smith. Might have to move up 10-15 spots for them, but they fill two glaring needs immediatly(S and MLB).
Biggems
01-20-2009, 11:52 PM
I like how you say you dont like USC LB, yet you have two of them on your mock draft.HA. But Ya I like those guys also. I really hope we could get Cushing and Sean Smith. Might have to move up 10-15 spots for them, but they fill two glaring needs immediatly(S and MLB).
u do realize that those are two different USCs right?
Matthews = Southern Cal
Brinkley = South Carolina
SLATEmosphere
01-21-2009, 12:22 AM
No wonder I couldnt think of a Brinkley on the Trojans defense..that clears alot up.thank you
cowboyjoe
01-21-2009, 05:08 AM
uh, i dont like this draft, like your other one better
cowboyjoe
01-21-2009, 05:11 AM
safeties are a tad slow at 4.54, i want a safety with speed to cover
guy from stillman, he is intriguing, but you have him at 6-3, while on a few reports he is 6-7, thats too tall for nose tackle, maybe DE if he is that tall
the guy from rice, granted dont know much about him but only 4.45 i want a wr with deep speed in 4.34 range here are some to look at
cowboyjoe
01-21-2009, 05:12 AM
16 Day Two Prospects with Surprising Speed
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QB Tyler Lorenzen ~ Connecticut (4.54) -- Speed is excellent for a player his size (6045, 221), meaning he could be tried at H-back or wide receiver if things don't work out at quarterback. Currently suffering from a leg injury.
RB Devin Moore ~ Wyoming (4.41) -- Not real big at 5' 9", 185 pounds, but is lightning quick. Prototypical scatback prospect, who can do good things with limited touches (running and receiving) and help as a kick returner.
RB Shun White ~ Navy (4.41) -- Super productive, 5' 8", 185 pounder, who could make it at the next level (N.F.L. or C.F.L.) due to his above average speed, great quickness and toughness. Military obligations, however, will likely mean he goes undrafted.
RB Stanley Zwinggi ~ Texas State (4.36) -- Played in the 2004 U.S. Army All-American Bowl with many of the elite prospects in the nation. Some fans in the Lone Star state think he could be a faster version of Wes Welker, but he hasn't had the great college career Wes had.
WR Shawn Bayes ~ Kent State (4.35) -- Not real big (5096, 177) and wasn't much of an impact player his first three seasons in college, but has really come on as a big play threat for Kent State as a senior.
WR Chris Williams ~ New Mexico State (4.40) -- Very prolific receiver in Hal Mumme's high powered offense, but his slight build (5' 7", 153) will likely mean he'll have to make a N.F.L. team as a return specialist.
WR Dominique Edison ~ Stephen F. Austin (4.42) -- Former high school track star is a big target (6' 2", 190) with lots of experience, surprising speed and reliable hands. Type of athlete that can really look outstanding at a Pro Day.
WR Kole Heckendorf ~ North Dakota State (4.44) -- Another player that possesses decent size (6016, 188) and excellent speed. Has had a great career for the Bisons. Ex-Hockey player, so he's definitely not scared of physical contact.
WR Quinten Lawrence ~ McNeese State (4.35) -- Currently considered a very solid latter round N.F.L. prospect by scouts, but could move up into the 3rd or 4th round area with a great Combine showing. 5' 11", 180 pound F.C.S. star is currently nursing a lower leg injury.
TE Jameson Konz ~ Kent State ( 4.38) -- Amazingly, Kent asked this 6' 3" speedster to bulk up and play linebacker for three years. Finally moved to offense (H-Back/receiver) last spring, but he was injured early this season and redshirted. Will be fascinating to see if he re-emerges as a solid pro prospect in 2009 or just fades away?
DE Connor Barwin ~ Cincinnati (4.63) -- Ex-Bearcats' hoopster has nice speed for a 6' 4', 253 pound athlete. Former tight end has the frame to add a few pounds and play defensive end and the agility to slim down and play linebacker at the next level. Fantastic special teams player.
CB Sherrod Martin ~ Troy (4.46) -- In recent years Troy has produced some excellent defensive back prospects (McKelvin, Mack, Condren). Martin, who has nice size (6005, 190) and ample athletic ability, as well as fellow Trojan defensive back Terrance Moore are both on radar of N.F.L. scouts.
CB Ryan Mouton ~ Hawaii (4.40) -- Mouton, who is only 5'9" and 180 pounds, is a top notch cornerback for the Warriors, who doesn't mind hitting people. But it's his ability as a kick returner that will get him a longer look from N.F.L. scouts.
CB Domonique Johnson ~ Jackson State (4.37) -- Nice combination of size (6015, 185) and speed for this ex-Missouri Tiger. If he shows well in all-star games and workouts, he should be selected in 2009 N.F.L. draft.
CB Jamar Love ~ Arkansas (4.42) -- Nice sized corner (6001, 195) wasn't highly ranked by scouts going into the season because he was mostly a backup the last few seasons, but could significantly improve his draft stock if he can quickly bounce back from thumb injury and play well.
FS Tom Nelson ~ Illinois State (4.47) -- Pretty good speed for a nice-sized safety (5' 11", 195) that's widely regarded as a "overachiever". Prolific punt returner, who intercepted University of Missouri star Chase Daniel twice in 2007.
DD.comment: All the 40 times, heights and weights we listed above came directly from N.F.L. sources. Despite the great 40 times, all 16 prospects entered this season with latter round or free agent projections from league scouts, but have the potential to move upwards by draft day. Also, it's very important to note that there is no guarantee that these players will duplicate these gaudy 40 times in the future, particularly if they run on different tracks or run in different weather conditions.
Macnalty
01-21-2009, 06:49 AM
Good starting point, hard to get a feel this year when there is really no consensus on the top ten players in this years draft, permutations for us picking after 50 choices, yikes that hurts my brain. I commend you for taking safety first, sure would like to see OL/DT earlier this draft, the chance of a premium player with obvious talent will elude us at 51. We are hoping for the masked quality player if this years pick stands out he will not be available. I hope last years draft was not a fluke and that we have figured out how to evaluate talent with the rest of the Big Boys(sounds like I am whistling in the dark again). We hit a draft like we did last year and not even the eagles picking one pick behind us will provide a challenge(another whistle). Just a note it sure looks like a good draft to pick up a WR, you know Jerry will not be able to resist with all this speed and height available. Anyone else afraid and noticed this NFC east is frickin tough and a bad draft might get us trampled whether there are injuries or not. Apprentice to Master of the Obvious, Go Cowboys
Biggems
01-21-2009, 08:25 AM
Good starting point, hard to get a feel this year when there is really no consensus on the top ten players in this years draft, permutations for us picking after 50 choices, yikes that hurts my brain. I commend you for taking safety first, sure would like to see OL/DT earlier this draft, the chance of a premium player with obvious talent will elude us at 51. We are hoping for the masked quality player if this years pick stands out he will not be available. I hope last years draft was not a fluke and that we have figured out how to evaluate talent with the rest of the Big Boys(sounds like I am whistling in the dark again). We hit a draft like we did last year and not even the eagles picking one pick behind us will provide a challenge(another whistle). Just a note it sure looks like a good draft to pick up a WR, you know Jerry will not be able to resist with all this speed and height available. Anyone else afraid and noticed this NFC east is frickin tough and a bad draft might get us trampled whether there are injuries or not. Apprentice to Master of the Obvious, Go Cowboys
Had we not traded for Roy...........I would have had us picking Sean Smith in the 1st round and WR Hakeem Nicks in the 2nd round........and still picking a Quan Cosby, Deon Butler, or Jarrett Dillard in the 5-6 round.
TheCount
01-21-2009, 10:20 AM
Good draft, however, I've had my fill of 7th round offensive linemen.
cowboyjoe
01-21-2009, 10:23 AM
yeah me too, we need some studs on the offensive line, and at least one stud on the defensive line;
like nate newton said, this team needs a big young stud offensive linemen like erik williams was or larry allen was, and same thing on defensive line, because spears or canty dont scare anybody. You need at least one dominant defensive linemen. Kinda like when the cowboys had Haley, they also had Leon Lett.
even the packer playes said, one player they feared on defensive line was leon lett
Macnalty
01-21-2009, 10:31 AM
Had we not traded for Roy...........I would have had us picking Sean Smith in the 1st round and WR Hakeem Nicks in the 2nd round........and still picking a Quan Cosby, Deon Butler, or Jarrett Dillard in the 5-6 round.
Lets talk about who needs safeties before we get to 51
Jags
Dolphins
Eagles
Bear
Seahawks
Texans
1. Jags need OT before the safety
2. Dolphins CB LB Safety this could take one from us
3. Eagles OT, OG, Safety you know this would hurt
4. Bears gotta believe Wide receiver then safety so that has them taking safety before us in the second
5. Seahawks just the same as the bears hell
6. Texans DE and safety yikes
Looks like everyone get two bites of the apple before our turn except the eagles.
Still feel like we can get Smith? I tend to agree with you, the opinions in this draft about the safeties are all over the board. Number one that kid from Missouri looks alot like our RW, the rest you could put a blanket over them and take your pick without too much liability. Just my take.
L-O-Jete
01-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Lets talk about who needs safeties before we get to 51
Jags
Dolphins
Eagles
Bear
Seahawks
Texans
1. Jags need OT before the safety
2. Dolphins CB LB Safety this could take one from us
3. Eagles OT, OG, Safety you know this would hurt
4. Bears gotta believe Wide receiver then safety so that has them taking safety before us in the second
5. Seahawks just the same as the bears hell
6. Texans DE and safety yikes
Looks like everyone get two bites of the apple before our turn except the eagles.
Still feel like we can get Smith? I tend to agree with you, the opinions in this draft about the safeties are all over the board. Number one that kid from Missouri looks alot like our RW, the rest you could put a blanket over them and take your pick without too much liability. Just my take.
The weables have 2 1st's IIRC so they too get 2 bites...
irvin4evs
01-21-2009, 03:13 PM
That's the first time I've seen Casillas being considered as a SS. I actually like him as Thomas' replacement.
I don't know how his game would translate to the secondary.
DFWJC
01-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Does Dillard last until late Rd 5?
Hostile
01-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Good draft, however, I've had my fill of 7th round offensive linemen.Reynolds is actually a decent player. He might even climb a couple of rounds higher.
Biggems
01-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Well this is how I see it. Jerry has gone off the deep end and signed all our starting OL to long term deals, even though our protection and run blocking struggled last season and this season. So we have a ton of money tied into the OL, and I doubt any of them, other than maybe Kosier, gets relegated to the bench. We also have Holland, who can play either G position, and Free, who can play either T position. So that leaves 3 spots available for backups.
Dallas Reynolds can play all 5 OL positions. He is big, durable, and smart. He is also a character guy. His versatility is quite valuable.
George Bussey played Tackle at Louisville. However, I see him being moved to OG in the pros. He is a heady player and plays with good leverage and technique. He has the ability to pull if need be. BTW, he just bleeped onto my radar.
Ryan Delrosal is a small school project. He has nice size and very good speed for an OL. I think with his speed, he would be a solid backup for Flozell. I doubt Delrosal would have any problems with speed rushers off the edge, the way Flo does.
I like these 3 options late in the draft....and it allows us to get the depth we need all throughout our defense early in the draft.
Besides.....how did a lot of those early OL picks pan out for us since 96...maybe 3-4 prospects have done anything good for us out of the several we have drafted in the first 3-4 rounds since then.
Macnalty
01-22-2009, 07:49 AM
The weables have 2 1st's IIRC so they too get 2 bites...
Oh lord that hurts already, I can see the pain coming with those first rounders. God help us if they find another steal like last year.
Sasquatch
01-22-2009, 11:09 AM
Well this is how I see it. Jerry has gone off the deep end and signed all our starting OL to long term deals, even though our protection and run blocking struggled last season and this season. So we have a ton of money tied into the OL, and I doubt any of them, other than maybe Kosier, gets relegated to the bench. We also have Holland, who can play either G position, and Free, who can play either T position. So that leaves 3 spots available for backups.
Dallas Reynolds can play all 5 OL positions. He is big, durable, and smart. He is also a character guy. His versatility is quite valuable.
George Bussey played Tackle at Louisville. However, I see him being moved to OG in the pros. He is a heady player and plays with good leverage and technique. He has the ability to pull if need be. BTW, he just bleeped onto my radar.
Ryan Delrosal is a small school project. He has nice size and very good speed for an OL. I think with his speed, he would be a solid backup for Flozell. I doubt Delrosal would have any problems with speed rushers off the edge, the way Flo does.
I like these 3 options late in the draft....and it allows us to get the depth we need all throughout our defense early in the draft.
Besides.....how did a lot of those early OL picks pan out for us since 96...maybe 3-4 prospects have done anything good for us out of the several we have drafted in the first 3-4 rounds since then.
As much as I would love to overall our underachieving Oline, I just don't see it happening this year, which means that we'll probably be trolling the depths in the later rounds.
Anyone know the contract status of our Olinemen?
TheCount
01-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Reynolds is actually a decent player. He might even climb a couple of rounds higher.
Perhaps. I don't know much about him.
But you gotta spend money to make money, and so far late round linemen haven't worked out here. Not sure I think that's about to change any time soon.
BigBoy63
01-22-2009, 07:03 PM
Lovin your mock. But its okay even if roy miller has to play nose tackle cause its not lookin like canty is gonna return, so slide Ratliff to DE and then work the Rookie into the NT position. Also like the Clay Matthews pick with our second pick. The man is a tank.
AbeBeta
01-22-2009, 07:26 PM
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I have been on his bandwagon for a very long time. Since Colt is going back to UT, Reilly is my guy.
I know some folks who know this kid's family. He is being told to expect to be picked somewhere b/w the 5th and 7th rounds.
Biggems
01-22-2009, 07:48 PM
Lovin your mock. But its okay even if roy miller has to play nose tackle cause its not lookin like canty is gonna return, so slide Ratliff to DE and then work the Rookie into the NT position. Also like the Clay Matthews pick with our second pick. The man is a tank.
nice sig........but I wish Crayton, the mouth, was as easy to shut down as Crayton, the WR.
bpfred
01-23-2009, 04:50 AM
After this week's practices in Mobile, my guess is Sidbury moves much higher. He'll be long gone before the sixth.
DaBoys4Life
01-23-2009, 05:04 AM
Ok now I do not know how realistic this is, since some of these players seem to be soaring up the board. So here it goes.......With one of our 5ths, we traded down a few spots and added a 6th
2 - CB/S Sean Smith Utah - 6'3 215
I really hope he is still there when we draft. I have seen him in the first on a few mocks. I think he can be our future FS.....we just need him to fall to us at 52.
3 - OLB Clay Matthews USC - 6'3 240
I am not a huge fan of Trojan LBs. However, this kid can play. He is a 3rd generation NFLer. I know his dad and uncle are in the HOF, not sure if his grandfather is. However, those are some darn good genetics.
4 - SS Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin - 6'2 225
Silver Bear has warmed me up to this pick. He keeps comparing him to Darren Woodson. I have read up on the guy and he is fast, hits, and tackles. He has to be better than any SS we currently have on the team.
4 - DE Roy Miller Texas - 6'1 300
He played DT in college, and could even play it for the Cowboys. However, I move him to DE opposite Ratliff. I think he would wreak havoc on the end. He would open things up for our OLBs to rush the passer.
5 - CB Joe Burnett UCF - 5'11 185
I am not sure if he lasts till the 5th round, but I hope so. He is a ballhawking CB. We need playmakers in the secondary and he is definitely one.
5 - ILB Jasper Brinkley USC - 6'2 270
I am hoping he drops this far. I am not a big fan of his, but the kid can ball. He is a tackling machine, something the interior of our defense is sorely lacking.
5 - WR Jarrett Dillard Rice - 5'11 185
He is a touchdown machine. He is fast, quick, acrobatic, and will go after any ball....usually coming down with it, especially in the end zone. I want Quan Cosby, but Dillard is 3 years younger. I want Deon Butler, but Dillard is a proven commodity.
6 - DT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman - 6'3 330
He may go higher, but I am hoping that the small school thing holds him back. I think he is going to be a steal. He is a high character guy and plays like a beast.
6 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury Richmond - 6'4 265
You want smart.....this guy is one of the smartest guys in the draft. While at Richmond, he designed a computer program that his team used to calculate opponent defensive tendencies. The kid can get to the QB too.
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I have been on his bandwagon for a very long time. Since Colt is going back to UT, Reilly is my guy.
7 - OT Ryan Delrosal Dixie St. - 6'5 313
Big, athletic, agile....and can play both Tackle positions
7 - OG George Bussey Louisville - 6'2 306
Plays with a mean streak. A very good run blocker. Can get out and pull. Played OT in college, but most likely will be an OG in the NFL. His versatility is an asset.
7 - OL Dallas Reynolds BYU - 6'5 330
Can play all 5 OL positions. This type of versatility is valuable from your backups.
I like it i'm a huge fan of Jarrett Dillard he put a massive numbers up at Rice. It's really crazy and he doesn't get talked about at all.
silverbear
01-23-2009, 05:36 AM
That's the first time I've seen Casillas being considered as a SS. I actually like him as Thomas' replacement.
You must not have read any of my mocks, then... LOL...
NFL Draft Scout also lists him as a possible conversion project to SS...
I don't know how his game would translate to the secondary.
Gee, I dunno... can you think of a former great Cowboys safety who was an OLB in college?? A guy who stood about 6-1, weighed in at around 220-225 pounds, and ran the 40 in 4.4 seconds?? :D
irvin4evs
01-23-2009, 10:48 AM
You must not have read any of my mocks, then... LOL...
NFL Draft Scout also lists him as a possible conversion project to SS...
Gee, I dunno... can you think of a former great Cowboys safety who was an OLB in college?? A guy who stood about 6-1, weighed in at around 220-225 pounds, and ran the 40 in 4.4 seconds?? :D
It's not measurables that are the question, obviously. Casillas is a freak.
Still, Darren Woodson happens once every twenty years or so. Linebacker to safety just doesn't happen that easily, and Casillas was a run stopper more than a coverage guy.
That's why I like him better playing next to James. I think he'll get up to the 240 range with his frame and still have 4.5ish speed, and he seems to hold the point of attack well enough at his current weight. He was easily the best of Wisconsin's very good LB group.
I'd also like to see us take a late day 2 flier on DeAndre Levy if he's still there. He's underweight right now, but he's a skilled blitzer off the edge a playmaker in general. Just isn't the specimen Casillas is.
Chris in Arizona
01-23-2009, 12:27 PM
Still, Darren Woodson happens once every twenty years or so. Linebacker to safety just doesn't happen that easily,...
Carnell Lake, John Lynch, Pat Tillman..
What do those 3 and Woodson have in common besides the college linebacker/nfl safety transition ?
Sasquatch
01-23-2009, 12:41 PM
Carnell Lake, John Lynch, Pat Tillman..
What do those 3 and Woodson have in common besides the college linebacker/nfl safety transition ?
Pac 10?
irvin4evs
01-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Pac 10?
Past twenty years.
Still, neither of those three are at woodson's level, which was more what I was getting at. For every one of those guys there's a whole crapload of Jon Alstons.
Chris in Arizona
01-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Past twenty years.
Still, neither of those three are at woodson's level, which was more what I was getting at. For every one of those guys there's a whole crapload of Jon Alstons.
I'm a huge Woodson fan but Lynch and Lake were pretty darn good players. Tillman was on his way to being one as well.
silverbear
01-23-2009, 02:44 PM
It's not measurables that are the question, obviously. Casillas is a freak.
Still, Darren Woodson happens once every twenty years or so. Linebacker to safety just doesn't happen that easily, and Casillas was a run stopper more than a coverage guy.
I base my opinion on more than just his measurables... I have seen a number of different draft websites that mentioned that he has the cover skills to make the move to safety... for example, NFL Draft Scout says this about him:
Safety-like in coverage, able to shadow tight ends and slot receivers. ... Also handles coverage responsibilities against running backs in the flat or on wheel routes.
Scouting reports like this are what got me to thinking he could move to strong safety, a la Woodson...
Biggems
01-23-2009, 07:37 PM
Wasnt Troy P. a LB at USC?
irvin4evs
01-23-2009, 09:44 PM
I'm a huge Woodson fan but Lynch and Lake were pretty darn good players. Tillman was on his way to being one as well.
No doubt. It's just that, IMO, Woodson is one of the best EVER to play. I don't see that with Lynch and Lake, though they were decade standouts. Tillman was more of a year to year pro bowler type at his best, IMO.
irvin4evs
01-23-2009, 09:45 PM
Wasnt Troy P. a LB at USC?
I really don't think so.
irvin4evs
01-23-2009, 09:48 PM
I base my opinion on more than just his measurables... I have seen a number of different draft websites that mentioned that he has the cover skills to make the move to safety... for example, NFL Draft Scout says this about him:
Scouting reports like this are what got me to thinking he could move to strong safety, a la Woodson...
I'm not trying to diss, it's just that Casillas always looked like a LB to me. That could be more because of his ability to attack the LOS more than any lack of range or coverage ability, certainly.
It's more of a fear of fixing something that isn't broke than a doubt of his ability to translate to safety, I guess. I've seen one work really, really well, and I've not seen the other at all, you know?
Verdict
01-24-2009, 12:30 AM
Ok now I do not know how realistic this is, since some of these players seem to be soaring up the board. So here it goes.......With one of our 5ths, we traded down a few spots and added a 6th
2 - CB/S Sean Smith Utah - 6'3 215
I really hope he is still there when we draft. I have seen him in the first on a few mocks. I think he can be our future FS.....we just need him to fall to us at 52.
3 - OLB Clay Matthews USC - 6'3 240
I am not a huge fan of Trojan LBs. However, this kid can play. He is a 3rd generation NFLer. I know his dad and uncle are in the HOF, not sure if his grandfather is. However, those are some darn good genetics.
4 - SS Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin - 6'2 225
Silver Bear has warmed me up to this pick. He keeps comparing him to Darren Woodson. I have read up on the guy and he is fast, hits, and tackles. He has to be better than any SS we currently have on the team.
4 - DE Roy Miller Texas - 6'1 300
He played DT in college, and could even play it for the Cowboys. However, I move him to DE opposite Ratliff. I think he would wreak havoc on the end. He would open things up for our OLBs to rush the passer.
5 - CB Joe Burnett UCF - 5'11 185
I am not sure if he lasts till the 5th round, but I hope so. He is a ballhawking CB. We need playmakers in the secondary and he is definitely one.
5 - ILB Jasper Brinkley USC - 6'2 270
I am hoping he drops this far. I am not a big fan of his, but the kid can ball. He is a tackling machine, something the interior of our defense is sorely lacking.
5 - WR Jarrett Dillard Rice - 5'11 185
He is a touchdown machine. He is fast, quick, acrobatic, and will go after any ball....usually coming down with it, especially in the end zone. I want Quan Cosby, but Dillard is 3 years younger. I want Deon Butler, but Dillard is a proven commodity.
6 - DT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman - 6'3 330
He may go higher, but I am hoping that the small school thing holds him back. I think he is going to be a steal. He is a high character guy and plays like a beast.
6 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury Richmond - 6'4 265
You want smart.....this guy is one of the smartest guys in the draft. While at Richmond, he designed a computer program that his team used to calculate opponent defensive tendencies. The kid can get to the QB too.
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I have been on his bandwagon for a very long time. Since Colt is going back to UT, Reilly is my guy.
7 - OT Ryan Delrosal Dixie St. - 6'5 313
Big, athletic, agile....and can play both Tackle positions
7 - OG George Bussey Louisville - 6'2 306
Plays with a mean streak. A very good run blocker. Can get out and pull. Played OT in college, but most likely will be an OG in the NFL. His versatility is an asset.
7 - OL Dallas Reynolds BYU - 6'5 330
Can play all 5 OL positions. This type of versatility is valuable from your backups.
Who is the DC Cheerleader in your sig?
AbeBeta
01-24-2009, 01:05 AM
Wasnt Troy P. a LB at USC?
Nope.
Remember how folks used to argue that he was a worse S than Roy? Boy, those were the days.
silverbear
01-24-2009, 03:04 AM
I'm not trying to diss,
Never thought you were, irvin... this is a cordial disagreement...
it's just that Casillas always looked like a LB to me. That could be more because of his ability to attack the LOS more than any lack of range or coverage ability, certainly.
It's more of a fear of fixing something that isn't broke than a doubt of his ability to translate to safety, I guess. I've seen one work really, really well, and I've not seen the other at all, you know?
Well, if you think about it, you're also advocating a change in Casillas' basic style, you want him to bulk up 20 pounds... but what if he can't bulk up without losing the speed that makes him special??
At 220 pounds, he's plenty fast enough to play strong safety, and has the size you want at that position... but will he just be an ordinary talent at 240, if he starts running 4.6 40s??
Some folks can bulk up without losing their speed, some can't, so basically we're both doing a bit of projecting...
But again, it's all good, to me this is a friendly discussion... feel free to disagree (if you don't have a problem with being wrong, LOL)...
Biggems
01-24-2009, 11:25 AM
Never thought you were, irvin... this is a cordial disagreement...
Well, if you think about it, you're also advocating a change in Casillas' basic style, you want him to bulk up 20 pounds... but what if he can't bulk up without losing the speed that makes him special??
At 220 pounds, he's plenty fast enough to play strong safety, and has the size you want at that position... but will he just be an ordinary talent at 240, if he starts running 4.6 40s??
Some folks can bulk up without losing their speed, some can't, so basically we're both doing a bit of projecting...
But again, it's all good, to me this is a friendly discussion... feel free to disagree (if you don't have a problem with being wrong, LOL)...
Well, Donnie Edwards was about the same size and played LB.....maybe Casillas can do the same. I think he gives us the versatility to have a LB/S hybrid to mask some of what we are doing out there on the field at times.
dbair1967
01-24-2009, 02:08 PM
Carnell Lake, John Lynch, Pat Tillman..
What do those 3 and Woodson have in common besides the college linebacker/nfl safety transition ?
nothing, because none of them were anywhere near as good as Woodson
dbair1967
01-24-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm a huge Woodson fan but Lynch and Lake were pretty darn good players. Tillman was on his way to being one as well.
not even remotely close to the same class as Woodson, especially in coverage
Biggems
01-24-2009, 02:57 PM
had the Roy trade not happened, we could add a 1, 3, 6 and subtract a 7. I would have then traded down about 5-7 picks in the 1st and added a 2nd
1-WR Percy Harvin (game breaker)
2-FS Sean Smith
2-OLB Clay Matthews
3-C Eric Wood
3-WR Brian Robiskie (possession guy)
4-SS Jonathan Casillas
4-DL Roy Miller
5-CB Joe Burnett
5-ILB Jasper Brinkley
5c-DT Sammie Lee Hill
6-CB Mark Parson
6-OLB Laurence Sidbury
6-QB Mike Reilly
7-OG George Bussey
7c-OL Dallas Reynolds
QB - 1
WR - 2
OL - 3
DL - 2
LB - 3
CB - 2
S - 2
UDFA......
OT Ryan Delrosal
OT Sean Sester
IMO, this draft would have been so sweet............but alas.....it will never happen. it is still fun to contemplate the possibilities of what might have been.
TheCount
01-24-2009, 05:26 PM
had the Roy trade not happened, we could add a 1, 3, 6 and subtract a 7. I would have then traded down about 5-7 picks in the 1st and added a 2nd
1-WR Percy Harvin (game breaker)
2-FS Sean Smith
2-OLB Clay Matthews
3-C Eric Wood
3-WR Brian Robiskie (possession guy)
4-SS Jonathan Casillas
4-DL Roy Miller
5-CB Joe Burnett
5-ILB Jasper Brinkley
5c-DT Sammie Lee Hill
6-CB Mark Parson
6-OLB Laurence Sidbury
6-QB Mike Reilly
7-OG George Bussey
7c-OL Dallas Reynolds
QB - 1
WR - 2
OL - 3
DL - 2
LB - 3
CB - 2
S - 2
UDFA......
OT Ryan Delrosal
OT Sean Sester
IMO, this draft would have been so sweet............but alas.....it will never happen. it is still fun to contemplate the possibilities of what might have been.
Even if we hadn't traded for Roy, we'd never draft this many players. Probably 5 of them would make the roster, if that.
At the end of the day this year, I won't be surprised if we end up with 6-7 players and of those, maybe 5 make the roster.
If we let more FA's leave than usual, then maybe we keep more.
Biggems
01-24-2009, 05:56 PM
Even if we hadn't traded for Roy, we'd never draft this many players. Probably 5 of them would make the roster, if that.
At the end of the day this year, I won't be surprised if we end up with 6-7 players and of those, maybe 5 make the roster.
If we let more FA's leave than usual, then maybe we keep more.
Well I see more that 5-7 making the roster...these players would most likely be gone
QB - Johnson, Bartel
FB - Cricket
WR - Hurd
TE - Curtis
OL - Procter, Berger, McQuistan
DT - Tank
DE - ?
LB - Thomas, Rogers, Carpenter, Ellis, Octavien
CB - Henry, PacMan, Ball
S - Watkins, Brown, Battle
P - Sam P
as far as FA goes.....the only FA I would even care to go after, besides our own would be FB Lorenzo Neal. Then we can run a blue collar, hardnosed power running game with Barber and Choice...and let Felix be our homerun threat.
BTW, think about how fun our offense would have been with Felix and Percy on the field at the same time.
ghst187
01-27-2009, 07:55 PM
Overall, by far the best mock I've seen.
2 - CB/S Sean Smith Utah - 6'3 215
I LOVE this pick but I'm afraid it will take a Jason Witten-type steal to land him with our pick without a trade up. On my draft board here would also be OT Phil Loadholt, OG Duke Robinson and possibly FS Delmas
3 - OLB Clay Matthews USC - 6'3 240
Like this pick, also on my draft board here would be OL Herman Johnson, I would also consider WR Brian Robiskie
4 - SS Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin - 6'2 225
I'd be okay with this pick but combined with Sean Smith, we'd be forced to cut/trade someone significant i.e. RW or Henry I think if for no other reason than the money involved.
On my board here is also: WR Brian Robiskie, QB Rhett Bomar, LB Zac Follett (sp?) and the DT from LSU with the french name
4 - DE Roy Miller Texas - 6'1 300
I would prefer to go with a WR, QB, LB, or OL with this pick depending on who's available.
5 - CB Joe Burnett UCF - 5'11 185
Ditto as entry above but we'll need one more CB from this draft, esp if he can return kicks. Can this guy?
5 - ILB Jasper Brinkley USC - 6'2 270
I love this pick, might be a reach to expect him to fall this far IMO.
5 - WR Jarrett Dillard Rice - 5'11 185
I LOVE this pick. We need a speedy guy. Sorry but Miles Austin doesn't do it for me. Dillard could turn out to be a gamer like guy Green Bay got a few years ago. Some guys just make plays.
6 - DT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman - 6'3 330
I LOVE this pick but we may have to use a fourth or fifth to get him and frankly, he'd be near the top of my list in those rounds too. We need this guy IMO.
6 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury Richmond - 6'4 265
don't know much about this guy but we probably need two LBs in this draft.
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I LOVE this pick, esp if we don't get Bomar earlier, and frankly if we do it might not be a bad idea either. We could use two QBs, although one of them probably needs to have some experience...although second thought I guess it didn't matter much for Flacco.
7 - OT Ryan Delrosal Dixie St. - 6'5 313
Have to take your word for it, don't know much about him but he sounds nice.
7 - OG George Bussey Louisville - 6'2 306
ditto as above
7 - OL Dallas Reynolds BYU - 6'5 330
ditto as above
Overall, I think getting one dynamic gamer like Sean Smith, at least one LB that can contribute right away, a backup QB, a legit OL, and a NT, it will be a success. That's only 5 players with 9 picks not too much to ask lol, I hope JJ can do it however my faith is not strong.
SLATEmosphere
01-27-2009, 08:06 PM
If we could get Sean Smith and Clay Matthews in the draft I will buy everyone here drinks:toast2:
Biggems
01-27-2009, 09:45 PM
Overall, by far the best mock I've seen.
2 - CB/S Sean Smith Utah - 6'3 215
I LOVE this pick but I'm afraid it will take a Jason Witten-type steal to land him with our pick without a trade up. On my draft board here would also be OT Phil Loadholt, OG Duke Robinson and possibly FS Delmas
Well like I stated in my original post.....he wont be around. He was a nobody, cause Utah is never really on TV, until late in the season and then he showed on the field that he is a legit 1st round prospect, but could slip into the early 2nd.
3 - OLB Clay Matthews USC - 6'3 240
Like this pick, also on my draft board here would be OL Herman Johnson, I would also consider WR Brian Robiskie
He won't be there in the 3rd.....but if he is, I will be completely stoked. I see him possibly getting picked even before we come up in the 2nd.
4 - SS Jonathan Casillas Wisconsin - 6'2 225
I'd be okay with this pick but combined with Sean Smith, we'd be forced to cut/trade someone significant i.e. RW or Henry I think if for no other reason than the money involved.
On my board here is also: WR Brian Robiskie, QB Rhett Bomar, LB Zac Follett (sp?) and the DT from LSU with the french name
Right now we have Hamlin, Roy, Davis, Watkins, Brown, and Battle. I dont see us keeping Battle. Brown and Watkins are definitely expendable. That would make our Safety depth: Hamlin, Roy, Davis, Smith, Casillas...
4 - DE Roy Miller Texas - 6'1 300
I would prefer to go with a WR, QB, LB, or OL with this pick depending on who's available.
Roy is a stud....He is a rock in the middle of the DL. He is very good against the run, can play sideline to sideline, and will apply moderate pressure in the backfield. He may not be the biggest DT around, but he is one of the strongest. BTW, this is my one homer pick
5 - CB Joe Burnett UCF - 5'11 185
Ditto as entry above but we'll need one more CB from this draft, esp if he can return kicks. Can this guy?
Yes he can return kicks. However, with Jones, Austin, Stanback, and Dillard....we have enough KRs. BTW, Burnett is an interception machine. Smith can play CB or S. We also have Newman, Henry, Scandrick, Jenkins, and Ball.
5 - ILB Jasper Brinkley USC - 6'2 270
I love this pick, might be a reach to expect him to fall this far IMO.
Yea, I have serious doubts that he lasts this long, and I am not really a fan of his. However, we need an ILB. This guy is a tackling machine. I am banking on him being completely healthy, but other teams fearing that he isnt.
5 - WR Jarrett Dillard Rice - 5'11 185
I LOVE this pick. We need a speedy guy. Sorry but Miles Austin doesn't do it for me. Dillard could turn out to be a gamer like guy Green Bay got a few years ago. Some guys just make plays.
I still cant decide between Dillard, Cosby, or Butler. The biggest reason I picked Dillard was because of his ability to completely sell out for the catch, especially in the end zone. I mean this guy is the Chris Carter of college....all he does is catch TDs.
6 - DT Sammie Lee Hill Stillman - 6'3 330
I LOVE this pick but we may have to use a fourth or fifth to get him and frankly, he'd be near the top of my list in those rounds too. We need this guy IMO.
No way in Hades he lasts this long....my mock is wishful thinking. His size, speed, and play are only part of his game. He is also intelligent, mature, well spoken, displays great character, and he gets IT.....yep, I would be surprised if he is still on the board after the 4th round.
6 - OLB Lawrence Sidbury Richmond - 6'4 265
don't know much about this guy but we probably need two LBs in this draft.
He is limited athletically....but he is a perfect guy if you want a passrushing specialist. He is very intelligent. You can read up about the computer program he designed to read defensive tendencies.
6 - QB Mike Reilly Central Washington - 6'3 215
I LOVE this pick, esp if we don't get Bomar earlier, and frankly if we do it might not be a bad idea either. We could use two QBs, although one of them probably needs to have some experience...although second thought I guess it didn't matter much for Flacco.
I really like Reilly, however, I wouldnt be upset if we signed one of the young vet FAs instead. I really want Colt McCoy in Dallas. I am willing to wait a year for him.
7 - OT Ryan Delrosal Dixie St. - 6'5 313
Have to take your word for it, don't know much about him but he sounds nice.
7 - OG George Bussey Louisville - 6'2 306
ditto as above
7 - OL Dallas Reynolds BYU - 6'5 330
ditto as above
Overall, I think getting one dynamic gamer like Sean Smith, at least one LB that can contribute right away, a backup QB, a legit OL, and a NT, it will be a success. That's only 5 players with 9 picks not too much to ask lol, I hope JJ can do it however my faith is not strong.
From past experience...we almost never draft anyone in my mocks.
Manwiththeplan
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
I like it i'm a huge fan of Jarrett Dillard he put a massive numbers up at Rice. It's really crazy and he doesn't get talked about at all.
He reminds me alot of Earl Bennett, who the bears drafted last year. He'll be a solid guy, but probably never be a #1
DFWJC
01-28-2009, 01:01 PM
I like it ok. These team slot only drafts are tough because we don't see who is projected to go earlier or later. I realize that you can't post 7-10 full rounds of picks, just saying....
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