Computer hell

[bbgun]

I'm presently working in "safe mode" and have been for the last 24 hours. Got the dreaded "Blue Screen of Death" yesterday when I tried to reach my desktop in normal mode. Error message is "nv4_disp / computer caught in infinite loop." The advice I got was to uninstall my "Geforce6800" videocard's old drivers, reboot, then go to Nvidia's site to download the latest ones. I did so, but no dice. Anyone else ever encounter this problem, and if so, were you able to fix it? Thanks.

[Faerluna]

I didn't take loads of time to read the thread, but check this: http://forums.cnet.com/5208-4_102-0.html?threadID=305883

[Signals]

Have you tried to go back and restore your PC using a restore point date in safe mode?

[Yeagermeister]

Tomson: Buy a mac

nyc: Install linux

[tomson75]

Tomson: Buy a mac

nyc: Install linux

:laugh2:

I'm soooo "hip"!

[Meat-O-Rama]

I'm presently working in "safe mode" and have been for the last 24 hours. Got the dreaded "Blue Screen of Death" yesterday when I tried to reach my desktop in normal mode. Error message is "nv4_disp / computer caught in infinite loop." The advice I got was to uninstall my "Geforce6800" videocard's old drivers, reboot, then go to Nvidia's site to download the latest ones. I did so, but no dice. Anyone else ever encounter this problem, and if so, were you able to fix it? Thanks.

At what point did it not work out? Were you able to uninstall and reboot? Were you able to download and reinstall?

[bbgun]

At what point did it not work out? Were you able to uninstall and reboot? Were you able to download and reinstall?

I was only able to dl the new drivers in safe mode. I did so, unzipped the new drivers, then rebooted as instructed. When I get to the desktop in normal mode, the mouse cursor freezes after a few minutes and the monitor starts blinking on and off every ten seconds or so. Then the computer either 1) gives me the blue screen of death again or 2) reboots without any prompting from me whatsoever.

[Kangaroo]

do this go into safe mode delete the drivers reboot let windows come up and detect the new hardware and return back to an older driver

Sonething does not like the newer driver on your system

[Kilyin]

Tap F8 repeatedly while booting and at the safe mode menu select "VGA mode". If it does the same thing your card is fried (Or the fan has stopped working). If not, reinstall drivers.

[Mash]

Sounds like a heat issue...

Open up the comp....check your fans......Buy a can of air and blow the dust out........make sure all the fans are running.....also....your power supply might be dying and not supplying enough power.

[bbgun]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm gonna crack the tower open later today and see if there's any major dust buildup. I posted details of my problem at Nvidia's forum, but no replies yet (strange).

[Yeagermeister]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm gonna crack the tower open later today and see if there's any major dust buildup. I posted details of my problem at Nvidia's forum, but no replies yet (strange).

The last time and only time I bought an nvidia card one of the chips cracked. I bought an ati and had no such problems.

[bbgun]

The last time and only time I bought an nvidia card one of the chips cracked. I bought an ati and had no such problems.


Yeah, I went to Craigslist and found a guy close to me who's selling his ATI card for $30. Might bite on that.

My brother was trying to help me troubleshoot this problem over the phone, and when I mentioned that people here were doing the same, he said "You have friends at a Cowboys forum??" I laughed.

[Yeagermeister]

Yeah, I went to Craigslist and found a guy close to me who's selling his ATI card for $30. Might bite on that.

My brother was trying to help me troubleshoot this problem over the phone, and when I mentioned that people here were doing the same, he said "You have friends at a Cowboys forum??" I laughed.

I would have stopped at friends. :laugh2:

[bbgun]

I would have stopped at friends. :laugh2:


Actually, even that's not true. I'm just as unpopular in regular society as I am here. I like to stay consistent.

[Yeagermeister]

Actually, even that's not true. I'm just as unpopular in regular society as I am here. I like to stay consistent.

Must be the dog breath.

Try some of these.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/features/mutts/blog/milkbone.gif

[big dog cowboy]

I'm just as unpopular in regular society as I am here. I like to stay consistent.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[bbgun]

:eek: :eek: :eek:


Ok, I exaggerated. I'm much more popular here than in reg society. :eek:

[Yeagermeister]

Ok, I exaggerated. I'm much more popular here than in reg society. :eek:

That's pretty much saying the same thing.

[big dog cowboy]

Ok, I exaggerated. I'm much more popular here than in reg society. :eek:
:yourock:

[bbgun]

That's pretty much saying the same thing.

ouchie

[iceberg]

:laugh2:

I'm soooo "hip"!

well since macs still use mostly formerly pc based hardware, you're still going to have driver based issues.

buying a mac doesn't fix your problems, it just changes them.

[iceberg]

I'm presently working in "safe mode" and have been for the last 24 hours. Got the dreaded "Blue Screen of Death" yesterday when I tried to reach my desktop in normal mode. Error message is "nv4_disp / computer caught in infinite loop." The advice I got was to uninstall my "Geforce6800" videocard's old drivers, reboot, then go to Nvidia's site to download the latest ones. I did so, but no dice. Anyone else ever encounter this problem, and if so, were you able to fix it? Thanks.

from nvideas website:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=4432

nvidia is ok. i prefer ATI myself. $30 isn't that big a deal on a card. just depends on what you need it for and what performance you need. new ones cost $30.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121259
$30 w/a $10 rebate. just make sure you get the right pci express card for your computer.

not a heat issue. if a heat issue it will work fine for awhile then reboot constantly till it cools down for a few hours. then repeat process. this is a video issue from what i can tell and yes, a new card would fix it, but the website above is worth a shot if you're trying to save some $.

[bbgun]

from nvideas website:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=4432

nvidia is ok. i prefer ATI myself. $30 isn't that big a deal on a card. just depends on what you need it for and what performance you need. new ones cost $30.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121259
$30 w/a $10 rebate. just make sure you get the right pci express card for your computer.

not a heat issue. if a heat issue it will work fine for awhile then reboot constantly till it cools down for a few hours. then repeat process. this is a video issue from what i can tell and yes, a new card would fix it, but the website above is worth a shot if you're trying to save some $.

I didn't realize new cards were so cheap. If I can't fix this by the weekend, I'll go that route. Since I watch all my HD programming on my PC, I need this fixed by the Super Bowl.

[iceberg]

I didn't realize new cards were so cheap. If I can't fix this by the weekend, I'll go that route. Since I watch all my HD programming on my PC, I need this fixed by the Super Bowl.

i think that card even has HDMI out to hook to an HDTV. either way, yea. they're pretty cheap for a base card. i'd go new and just get 2-3 steps past what you need. not a whole lot more overall.

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually, even that's not true. I'm just as unpopular in regular society as I am here. I like to stay consistent.

judging by this thread, you suck in real life too ;)

[Rowdy]

I'd make sure whatever video card you buy is the correct bus. If you have an older computer, you might still be on AGP. If you try to put in a PCI, you're not going to like the results. :D

[bbgun]

I'd make sure whatever video card you buy is the correct bus. If you have an older computer, you might still be on AGP. If you try to put in a PCI, you're not going to like the results. :D

Dell Dimenion 8400/XP-Pro/SP3. Compatibility is the first thing I'd inquire about.

[Rowdy]

Dell Dimenion 8400/XP-Pro/SP3. Compatibility is the first thing I'd inquire about.

I have a Dell XPS Gen 2 with AGP bussing. I can't go out and buy any new card anymore. I have a geforce 6800 Ultra with AGP 8x.

[iceberg]

Dell Dimenion 8400/XP-Pro/SP3. Compatibility is the first thing I'd inquire about.

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-dimension-8400-pentium/4507-3118_7-30919189.html?tag=mncol;psum

pci express x16.

get the asus above or look at their others and step up to the next asus w/a cooler heat sink. those are important in a computer. :)

[bbgun]

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=4432

15 pages and counting. Looks like I'm not alone. I downloaded and installed the zipped patch mentioned in post #1, but no luck. If all my videos play correctly in safe mode (albeit with no sound), and videos on the Net play fine as well, can it really be a card problem? Maybe it is just the drivers.

[iceberg]

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=4432

15 pages and counting. Looks like I'm not alone. I downloaded and installed the zipped patch mentioned in post #1, but no luck. If all my videos play correctly in safe mode (albeit with no sound), and videos on the Net play fine as well, can it really be a card problem? Maybe it is just the drivers.

all you can do at this point is dive into the thread and keep getting help. if it does work in safe but not normal, it's a driver issue. keep on the thread, someone will help. that's their site and companies like this take these problems seriously. someone will help you.

[bbgun]

all you can do at this point is dive into the thread and keep getting help. if it does work in safe but not normal, it's a driver issue. keep on the thread, someone will help. that's their site and companies like this take these problems seriously. someone will help you.

My heart sank when one guy said he could only solve it by upgrading to Vista. No thanks.

[iceberg]

My heart sank when one guy said he could only solve it by upgrading to Vista. No thanks.

vista isn't as bad as it's rep but it's one of my least favorite operating systems. i'm on XP now as it is myself.

you can get one of the ati cards and go from there. keep me posted and PM me if you need anything. glad to help if i can.

[Yeagermeister]

vista isn't as bad as it's rep but it's one of my least favorite operating systems. i'm on XP now as it is myself.

you can get one of the ati cards and go from there. keep me posted and PM me if you need anything. glad to help if i can.

Vista got much better once sp1 came out.

[iceberg]

Vista got much better once sp1 came out.

vista was a driver rewrite. that meant upgrade to what was included or wait.

vistas biggest problem *today* is that it nags the #*%# out of you on doing simple changes.

nag filter coming. you choose your level of nag. i've seen win7.

[Yeagermeister]

vista was a driver rewrite. that meant upgrade to what was included or wait.

vistas biggest problem *today* is that it nags the #*%# out of you on doing simple changes.

nag filter coming. you choose your level of nag. i've seen win7.

I haven't :(

I have been trying to find out how to sign up for the beta.

[iceberg]

I haven't :(

I have been trying to find out how to sign up for the beta.

PM me - i'll help.

vista is classic misfire. like winme.

tried too hard. xp is win98SE

the next version of the OS will be a LOT better than vista.

[Bob Sacamano]

don't help bbgun

I can't make fun of him behind his back if his computer is working and he's on here

[iceberg]

don't help bbgun

I can't make fun of him behind his back if his computer is working and he's on here

if someone asks for help, i help.

make fun of me in the meantime. : )

[bbgun]

don't help bbgun

I can't make fun of him behind his back if his computer is working and he's on here

"Safe mode" gives me Net access, though it takes forever to scroll up and down a web page due to the screwed up drivers. You're stuck with me.

[silverbear]

vista isn't as bad as it's rep but it's one of my least favorite operating systems. i'm on XP now as it is myself.

you can get one of the ati cards and go from there. keep me posted and PM me if you need anything. glad to help if i can.

I was always one who was eager to update my PC to the newest OS, but I have no desire to switch from XP to Vista...

[Yeagermeister]

if someone asks for help, i help.

make fun of me in the meantime. : )

When someone asks for help first I see if it's someone I like and if I don't I mock them first then help. If I do like them...well I mock them first then help. :laugh1:

bear is on my no help list :D

[Bob Sacamano]

"Safe mode" gives me Net access, though it takes forever to scroll up and down a web page due to the screwed up drivers. You're stuck with me.

I swear, I didn't spread the rumor about you sleeping with Mrs. Robinson in 10 other threads

honor

[Bob Sacamano]

if someone asks for help, i help.

make fun of me in the meantime. : )

you're a regular Romo:)

[iceberg]

My heart sank when one guy said he could only solve it by upgrading to Vista. No thanks.

that's a copout answer.

[iceberg]

you're a regular Romo:)

you always this stupid or is this a special occasion?

[iceberg]

I was always one who was eager to update my PC to the newest OS, but I have no desire to switch from XP to Vista...

fine.

why? what technically or any other way keeps you from vista? tell me YOUR thoughts, not someone elses.

[Yeagermeister]

fine.

why? what technically or any other way keeps you from vista? tell me YOUR thoughts, not someone elses.

Ice....trust me you don't want to get inside bear's head. It will cost a fortune in therapy later.

[Kangaroo]

fine.

why? what technically or any other way keeps you from vista? tell me YOUR thoughts, not someone elses.

I can give you many reason

1st and foremost Vista chews up more resource than XP even with 4gb of ram I can get more out of an XP box than a Vista

If you game every bit of performance matters; if you run highend applications every bit matters

Hardware if you have some older peripherals they may not work (scanners for example) why upgrade

If you just surf the Internet and check email it is irrelevant which OS you run xp or Vista

[Bob Sacamano]

you always this stupid or is this a special occasion?

get back on your meds, I was only kidding

hence the smiley

[EveryoneElse]

Rub your computer down with magnets.






















j/k :D

[bbgun]

Tap F8 repeatedly while booting and at the safe mode menu select "VGA mode". If it does the same thing your card is fried (Or the fan has stopped working). If not, reinstall drivers.

I tried that, and everything on the desktop was magnified like 500%--although the mouse cursor would no longer freeze on me. When I went to the control panel to reduce the size of the desktop images, it crashed.

[5Stars]

I tried that, and everything on the desktop was magnified like 500%--although the mouse cursor would no longer freeze on me. When I went to the control panel to reduce the size of the desktop images, it crashed.


This sounds like a screen error. The computer might work right, but the screen/CRT night be going bad.

The thing to do is...unplug everything from your computer. Does it work now?

If not, then what you do is reverse analysis. Take out all of your cards except the RAM. Does it work? Can you find a place to just use the computer with another CRT? If it's a laptop?

Your problem sounds like your monitor is all jacked up?


Especially with you! You post all of those huge pics...and it's easy to get the monitor all jacked up/


;)

[bbgun]

This sounds like a screen error. The computer might work right, but the screen/CRT night be going bad.

The thing to do is...unplug everything from your computer. Does it work now?

If not, then what you do is reverse analysis. Take out all of your cards except the RAM. Does it work? Can you find a place to just use the computer with another CRT? If it's a laptop?

Your problem sounds like your monitor is all jacked up?


Especially with you! You post all of those huge pics...and it's easy to get the monitor all jacked up/


;)

But I've had no issues with the monitor in safe mode. And the screen error message is Nvidia specific, which makes me think it's the card or the drivers.

[Heisenberg]

I tried that, and everything on the desktop was magnified like 500%--although the mouse cursor would no longer freeze on me. When I went to the control panel to reduce the size of the desktop images, it crashed.


That's because it's running at an ultra-low resolution for compatibility reasons. It's not using Nvidia's driver anymore and using a generic VGA compatible driver.

You said earlier that you would unzip the drivers and then reboot. Did it actually go through a setup process?

My guess is it's an overheating problem. You might want to check to make sure the fan on your video card is still turning and if it is, leave the side of the case off and boot into normal Windows and see if that fixes it. The heat difference between open case and closed case might be enough to help.

[Heisenberg]

But I've had no issues with the monitor in safe mode. And the screen error message is Nvidia specific, which makes me think it's the card or the drivers.

It has nothing to do with the monitor. That wouldn't cause a blue screen. It's definitely a crash having to do with video card drivers. Now, there is more than one thing that can cause a crash there. It could be heat, it could be a power supply that isn't giving enough juice, or it could be a video card that is on its last leg.

[bbgun]

It has nothing to do with the monitor. That wouldn't cause a blue screen. It's definitely a crash having to do with video card drivers. Now, there is more than one thing that can cause a crash there. It could be heat, it could be a power supply that isn't giving enough juice, or it could be a video card that is on its last leg.

How can I tell if the fan is running when it's concealed like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pny_6600GT.jpg)? Not to mention other cards/hardware jammed in above and below it.

I did open the comp up the other night and it was very dusty inside. I didn't try to remove the vid card, however, though it too appeared to be dusty. As for heat, I keep my place pretty cool, and the comp isn't subjected to sunlight.

[Heisenberg]

How can I tell if the fan is running when it's concealed like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pny_6600GT.jpg)? Not to mention other cards/hardware jammed in above and below it.

I did open the comp up the other night and it was very dusty inside. I didn't try to remove the vid card, however, though it too appeared to be dusty. As for heat, I keep my place pretty cool, and the comp isn't subjected to sunlight.

The best and most fun way is to feel for it with a finger. I wouldn't go jamming a finger down in the fins, but close enough to feel them whizzing past your finger.

Also, if it's a heat thing that's just now come up and the fan is still working, dust can be a culprit. It clogs the heatsink fins and keeps air from flowing freely which can push temps pretty high and cause instability. Just getting some canned air down there and blowing that dust out can lower temps double digits.

[WoodysGirl]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

[bbgun]

The best and most fun way is to feel for it with a finger. I wouldn't go jamming a finger down in the fins, but close enough to feel them whizzing past your finger.

Also, if it's a heat thing that's just now come up and the fan is still working, dust can be a culprit. It clogs the heatsink fins and keeps air from flowing freely which can push temps pretty high and cause instability. Just getting some canned air down there and blowing that dust out can lower temps double digits.


OK, I'll open it up again tomorrow and try that.

Here's the exact error message:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6560/dsc00171hr1er5.jpg

[bbgun]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

Because I don't want them to find 5,000 pictures of you on my hard drive.

[WoodysGirl]

Because I don't want them to find 5,000 pictures of you on my hard drive.
Photoshopping my queen latifah pics onto kid's bodies doesn't mean it's not kiddie porn.

[bbgun]

Photoshopping my queen latifah pics onto kid's bodies doesn't mean it's not kiddie porn.

One more cheap shot like that and I'm gonna dump you for Faerluna.

[WoodysGirl]

One more cheap shot like that and I'm gonna dump you for Faerluna.
Kilyin might have a problem with you going after his wife. :laugh2:

I'd spring for everyone's popcorn to see that.

[Bob Sacamano]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

it's a guy thing

[Bob Sacamano]

Kilyin might have a problem with you going after his wife. :laugh2:

I'd spring for everyone's popcorn to see that.

I'd catch a bbgun beatdown ;)

[bbgun]

I'd catch a bbgun beatdown ;)

Hand over the videocard in your new computer you fink.

[Bob Sacamano]

Hand over the videocard in your new computer you fink.

*hands over*

*takes back*

*hands over*

....

....

*takes back*

haHA

[Yeagermeister]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

Not really most of those just read a script and follow the instructions.

[WoodysGirl]

Not really most of those just read a script and follow the instructions.
I'm sure they do.

But my first suggestion was a computer repair place. There's a place around the corner from my house that fixed my old computer and did a wonderful job saving my hard drive. It was worth the $100 or so I spent and the time saved.

[Yeagermeister]

I'm sure they do.

But my first suggestion was a computer repair place. There's a place around the corner from my house that fixed my old computer and did a wonderful job saving my hard drive. It was worth the $100 or so I spent and the time saved.

I would have done it for free......for your friend. For you $200 :tongue:

[WoodysGirl]

I would have done it for free......for your friend. For you $200 :tongue:
:bastid:

[Yeagermeister]

:bastid:

Nah if we lived close you know I'd help you for free just so I could piss off bbgun. :laugh2:

If you'd stop standing me up when I come to town I could have pissed him off already. ;)

[WoodysGirl]

Nah if we lived close you know I'd help you for free just so I could piss off bbgun. :laugh2:

If you'd stop standing me up when I come to town I could have pissed him off already. ;)
I promise not to, the next time you come down. But only if you can try to be on a side of town that's not an hour away from me, we might have better luck.

[Yeagermeister]

I promise not to, the next time you come down. But only if you can try to be on a side of town that's not an hour away from me, we might have better luck.

LOL the way things are right now who knows what that will be

[Hostile]

bbgun, did you ever try my suggestion?

[bbgun]

bbgun, did you ever try my suggestion?

Not yet. Still busy testing/eliminating other things from consideration.

[Hostile]

Not yet. Still busy testing/eliminating other things from consideration.Mine was the same blue screen and it worked. I haven't had an issue since.

Good luck.

[Jon88]

I would call the manufacturer or take it to the repair shop.

[iceberg]

OK, I'll open it up again tomorrow and try that.

Here's the exact error message:

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6560/dsc00171hr1er5.jpg

bb - this is a known problem with the nvidea chipset - you can blow dust and reseat cards till you find ultimate joy but that won't fix this.

update the driver or get an ati.

[silverbear]

When someone asks for help first I see if it's someone I like and if I don't I mock them first then help. If I do like them...well I mock them first then help. :laugh1:

bear is on my no help list :D


That's OK, I'm pretty much used to it... in fact, it could be argued that I've been helpless most of my natural life...

[silverbear]

fine.

why? what technically or any other way keeps you from vista? tell me YOUR thoughts, not someone elses.

I've had limited experience with it, when a friend who's not real computer savvy got a new PC, and she and I both found it too glitchy, to the point that she called Dell and raised hell (they basically talked her into going with Vista), and they wound up replacing her system with one with XP preloaded...

But my bias against it really goes back further than that, to the time I took their test to check my hardware compatibility... turns out that my scanner and my inkjet printer (but not my laser printer) would not work if I installed Vista... and IIRC, I'd need a new sound card, too...

Screw that, both those pieces of hardware were HP products, and not that old... there's no reason that Vista shouldn't have been able to recognize them...

Like I said, I'm generally all for getting the newest and the bestest, and if the next release is really going to be the improvement you say it is, I'd be willing to think about beta testing it, just because I trust your judgement on such matters...

But only if they've gotten the hardware compatibility issues resolved, I'm not gonna upgrade to a new OS if I've gotta go out and lay down 600 bucks to replace the equipment I currently have...

[silverbear]

Ice....trust me you don't want to get inside bear's head. It will cost a fortune in therapy later.

Every day's Christmas in my cranium, it's a 24/7/365 party...

[iceberg]

I've had limited experience with it, when a friend who's not real computer savvy got a new PC, and she and I both found it too glitchy, to the point that she called Dell and raised hell (they basically talked her into going with Vista), and they wound up replacing her system with one with XP preloaded...

But my bias against it really goes back further than that, to the time I took their test to check my hardware compatibility... turns out that my scanner and my inkjet printer (but not my laser printer) would not work if I installed Vista...

Screw that, both those pieces of hardware were HP products, and not that old... there's no reason that Vista shouldn't have been able to recognize them...

Like I said, I'm generally all for getting the newest and the bestest, and if the next release is really going to be the improvement you say it is, I'd be willing to think about beta testing it, just because I trust your judgement on such matters...

all these are very legit complaints bear. totally. but it's also one of those "then don't upgrade till your drivers are ready".

MS did change how drivers were written in vista. it went for security. how it's up to hp, nvidea, ati, all hardware manufactures to write their UPDATED drivers. it's never up to your OS to make your 3rd party hardware work. that's up to the hardware manufacturer.

there are a lot of improvements in vista. there are. but backwards compatibility was not it's focus - moving forward was. that did leave out a lot of existing hardware. with my radio show i run a off the wall dj package adn a non-soundblaster card.

neither worked under vista.

but it's not vistas fault.

however i do think you're being fair with why you don't like it, i just want to explain the position of it all so you know why things may not work.

[silverbear]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

I dunno, I was really proud when this computer illiterate was able to accurately diagnose my fried video card, then go down to the computer store and buy a new card that was actually compatible with my system...

[bbgun]

bb - this is a known problem with the nvidea chipset - you can blow dust and reseat cards till you find ultimate joy but that won't fix this.

update the driver or get an ati.

I've downloaded every damn driver off their site (one for XP, one for the card, and a so-called universal driver), all to no avail. I'm not facing a system crash or a loss of data here, so I'm not freaking out. Of course, if a new card doesn't fix it, I'm screwed.

[silverbear]

all these are very legit complaints bear. totally. but it's also one of those "then don't upgrade till your drivers are ready".

MS did change how drivers were written in vista. it went for security. how it's up to hp, nvidea, ati, all hardware manufactures to write their UPDATED drivers. it's never up to your OS to make your 3rd party hardware work. that's up to the hardware manufacturer.

there are a lot of improvements in vista. there are. but backwards compatibility was not it's focus - moving forward was. that did leave out a lot of existing hardware. with my radio show i run a off the wall dj package adn a non-soundblaster card.

neither worked under vista.

but it's not vistas fault.

however i do think you're being fair with why you don't like it, i just want to explain the position of it all so you know why things may not work.

That actually explains the driver issue for me... thanks for that...

Now, why wouldn't HP update the drivers for their recent models in order to make them compatible with Vista??

[iceberg]

I've downloaded every damn driver off their site (one for XP, one for the card, and a so-called universal driver), all to no avail. I'm not facing a system crash or a loss of data here, so I'm not freaking out. Of course, if a new card doesn't fix it, I'm screwed.

pm me. i'll give you my # and you can call me tomorrow and let's talk. um...later today.

i'll do more research on the error and help you get a good direction going.

[iceberg]

That actually explains the driver issue for me... thanks for that...

Now, why wouldn't HP update the drivers for their recent models in order to make them compatible with Vista??

HP is an excellent company. one of the best out there. but i can't tell you why or when they'll decide to write drivers for a product. you just have to make choices.

wait for drivers or upgrade hardware. when *you* are ready to move to vista, do it. but the problems come about when people think an OS upgrade will make everything work.

[silverbear]

HP is an excellent company. one of the best out there. but i can't tell you why or when they'll decide to write drivers for a product. you just have to make choices.

wait for drivers or upgrade hardware. when *you* are ready to move to vista, do it. but the problems come about when people think an OS upgrade will make everything work.

I hear ya, but at the same time, I started with Windows 95, went to Windows 98SE, then it was Windows ME, then XP... never had ANY hardware compatibility issues before that...

[iceberg]

I hear ya, but at the same time, I started with Windows 95, went to Windows 98SE, then it was Windows ME, then XP... never had ANY hardware compatibility issues before that...

many people may not. it's a timing issue on when things synch up and how closely companies work together.

[Kangaroo]

whatever happened to just taking it to a computer repair co? shoot even Best Buy's geek squad gotta be better than trying to figure it out on your own.

Your kidding right since most those guys are moorns that no nothing and get paid nothing. I mean I had a coworker her boyfriend worked for them and he she talked about how 99% of them did not know what they where doing. If you get a good one you are lucky because the majority of the people they hire are clueless.

[Kangaroo]

BBgun here is what I would suggest boot to safe mode bring up the hardware uninstall the video driver this will request a reboot say no to start with then run driver cleaner ripping off all the drivers (a link below). Reboot your system after striping out the driver let windows redetect new hardware. Windows will install a generic driver. then go find a driver for NVidia and reinstall.

This will give you a fresh start on the drivers

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745

[bbgun]

BBgun here is what I would suggest boot to safe mode bring up the hardware uninstall the video driver this will request a reboot say no to start with then run driver cleaner ripping off all the drivers (a link below). Reboot your system after striping out the driver let windows redetect new hardware. Windows will install a generic driver. then go find a driver for NVidia and reinstall.

This will give you a fresh start on the drivers

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745

It says "this software removed at request of publisher." They recommend "drive sweeper" instead.

[Kilyin]

bbgun, did you ever try my suggestion?

what was your suggestion, out of curiosity?

Personally I think the card is failing or like I said, the fan stopped working.

[bbgun]

what was your suggestion, out of curiosity?

Personally I think the card is failing or like I said, the fan stopped working.

Lengthy "disk scan" check. I ran it last night but the problem still remains.

[Kangaroo]

It says "this software removed at request of publisher." They recommend "drive sweeper" instead.

That would work to

[iceberg]

what was your suggestion, out of curiosity?

Personally I think the card is failing or like I said, the fan stopped working.

the card doesn't work on this chipset. not a common problem but a problem only best resolved w/a new motherboard and chipset or a new videocard chipset like ati.

or wait for a driver in 6-10 months from someone.

or upgrade to vista 64 bit

or keep pretending the simple steps will fix this sooner or later.

[silverbear]

many people may not. it's a timing issue on when things synch up and how closely companies work together.

That makes sense too, I'm usually not in a financial position to jump on the newest OS when it first comes out... I generally have to wait until I get one of the two bonuses the boss gives out every year, or my tax refunds get back...

[Yeagermeister]

That makes sense too, I'm usually not in a financial position to jump on the newest OS when it first comes out... I generally have to wait until I get one of the two bonuses the boss gives out every year, or my tax refunds get back...

That's one of the few advantages to ordering all of the equipment for my company. :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's one of the few advantages to ordering all of the equipment for my company. :D

It is nice when you your company pays the tab for some things and you get to make copies or "test" things at home.:laugh2:

[Yeagermeister]

It is nice when you your company pays the tab for some things and you get to make copies or "test" things at home.:laugh2:

Testing yeah that's the ticket ;)

:laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Testing yeah that's the ticket ;)

:laugh2:

We got XP shortly after it came out and bought 50 licenses for it. We just got one disc but we had the 50 licenses for it.

So knowing the guy who is the main tech guy and orders this stuff I insisted we make bootable copies of the disc. This guy always loses discs and stuff so I make copies of everything and keep them in a cd book away from him. And in doing so I can also make copies for myself and he does not mind cause he winds up doing the same thing.

And good thing I did make copies of XP because as usual...he wound up losing the original.:laugh2: I guess I learned my lesson after he did the same thing when we got Windows2k.

Now on the other hand, after we used WindowsME for a short time on a few computers...I made sure to lose the copies accidentally (wink wink) since it sucked so bad.:laugh2:

Man WindowsME sucked bad, especially for networking things. Nothing more annoying than connecting to the network and the stupid thing would always connect to every printer in the building. Delete them out, next time to restart or connect..bang it would do it again. Very annoying. And that was just one annoying thing as it was funny because it always would do that thing with the printers but on the other hand it was sometimes a pain networking to other computers to move files.

[Yeagermeister]

We got XP shortly after it came out and bought 50 licenses for it. We just got one disc but we had the 50 licenses for it.

So knowing the guy who is the main tech guy and orders this stuff I insisted we make bootable copies of the disc. This guy always loses discs and stuff so I make copies of everything and keep them in a cd book away from him. And in doing so I can also make copies for myself and he does not mind cause he winds up doing the same thing.

And good thing I did make copies of XP because as usual...he wound up losing the original.:laugh2: I guess I learned my lesson after he did the same thing when we got Windows2k.

Now on the other hand, after we used WindowsME for a short time on a few computers...I made sure to lose the copies accidentally (wink wink) since it sucked so bad.:laugh2:

Man WindowsME sucked bad, especially for networking things. Nothing more annoying than connecting to the network and the stupid thing would always connect to every printer in the building. Delete them out, next time to restart or connect..bang it would do it again. Very annoying. And that was just one annoying thing as it was funny because it always would do that thing with the printers but on the other hand it was sometimes a pain networking to other computers to move files.

We stayed as far away from WinME as possible. I installed it home and in about two weeks went back to Win98.

My boss is dragging us in to the Vista world now. He decided he wanted to get rid of all the Win2K machines and get with the curve instead of behind it. Thankfully I made an image so I don't have to install from scratch.

[BrAinPaiNt]

We stayed as far away from WinME as possible. I installed it home and in about two weeks went back to Win98.

My boss is dragging us in to the Vista world now. He decided he wanted to get rid of all the Win2K machines and get with the curve instead of behind it. Thankfully I made an image so I don't have to install from scratch.

I like XP. I messed with one computer with Vista and found some positives with it but mostly it was new so I would have to mess with it more before I would get used to it. The thing that bothered me more is you basically would have to get a newer computer or really upgrade on memory so I never bothered with it for my home computer.

Win2k was pretty good IMO. It was solid and we really did not have many problems with it. We have had more problems with XP over the years but not too bad. But from a networking standpoint I still think Win2k is better or more reliable.

[silverbear]

That's one of the few advantages to ordering all of the equipment for my company. :D

If I thought you liked me, I'd hit you up for some freebies... LOL...

[Kilyin]

the card doesn't work on this chipset. not a common problem but a problem only best resolved w/a new motherboard and chipset or a new videocard chipset like ati.

or wait for a driver in 6-10 months from someone.

or upgrade to vista 64 bit

or keep pretending the simple steps will fix this sooner or later.

A working 6800 Nvidia card functions with any chipset. I don't know what chipset bbgun has, but I still have an old 6800 card and it works on any board/chipset with native AGP...

Edit: Looking at the Dell site and dimension 8400 specs it appears this is a PCI-Express 6800 and the board is an Intel chipset. Nvidia cards of any flavor work perfectly fine with an Intel chipset. Just buy another cheap PCI-Express card and be done with it.

Or get a real computer.

[Kilyin]

not a heat issue. if a heat issue it will work fine for awhile then reboot constantly till it cools down for a few hours. then repeat process. this is a video issue from what i can tell and yes, a new card would fix it, but the website above is worth a shot if you're trying to save some $.

Not true. An overheating video card is not going to make your system reboot constantly, unless the option 'automatically restart' is checked under system failure (BSOD). It will simply blue screen, lock up completely, or lose the video signal.

A video card doesn't take hours to cool down either, even without a fan. In fact, if just idling at the desktop most video cards can run with passive cooling. It's when the card is stressed that it will exhibit symptoms of a problem.

[Rowdy]

A working 6800 Nvidia card functions with any chipset. I don't know what chipset bbgun has, but I still have an old 6800 card and it works on any board/chipset with native AGP...

Edit: Looking at the Dell site and dimension 8400 specs it appears this is a PCI-Express 6800 and the board is an Intel chipset. Nvidia cards of any flavor work perfectly fine with an Intel chipset. Just buy another cheap PCI-Express card and be done with it.

Or get a real computer.

Depends on how old that Dell is. I have an XPS but its still an AGP 8x.

[iceberg]

A working 6800 Nvidia card functions with any chipset. I don't know what chipset bbgun has, but I still have an old 6800 card and it works on any board/chipset with native AGP...

Edit: Looking at the Dell site and dimension 8400 specs it appears this is a PCI-Express 6800 and the board is an Intel chipset. Nvidia cards of any flavor work perfectly fine with an Intel chipset. Just buy another cheap PCI-Express card and be done with it.

Or get a real computer.

wrong. like i said, not a common problem but a timing issue between the geforce chipset and the motherboard. you can wait for someone to own up to it and fix it (long wait) or you can get an ati card.

this is why i quit helping in public because everyone's a techie and advice flys all around.

[iceberg]

Not true. An overheating video card is not going to make your system reboot constantly, unless the option 'automatically restart' is checked under system failure (BSOD). It will simply blue screen, lock up completely, or lose the video signal.

A video card doesn't take hours to cool down either, even without a fan. In fact, if just idling at the desktop most video cards can run with passive cooling. It's when the card is stressed that it will exhibit symptoms of a problem.

um. i NEVER SAID AN OVERHEATING VIDEO CARD WOULD DO THIS.

i was referring to cpu/fan issues.this is why i said it was a video not heat issue.

and crap like this is why i'm out. we do agree a new card will fix it. i propose an ati chipset just to make sure. after that you're just screwing up good advice.

[iceberg]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q293078

Article ID: 293078 - Last Review: October 30, 2008 - Revision: 5.0
Error message in Windows XP: "STOP 0x000000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER"

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This article was previously published under Q293078
On This PageSYMPTOMS

CAUSE

RESOLUTION
Method 1: Use the Windows Error Reporting tool
Method 2: Install the latest driver for your video adapter
Method 3: Contact the video card manufacturer to obtain and install the latest driver
Method 4: Replace your video card

Advanced troubleshooting
Method 1: Disable or update device drivers
Method 2: Adjust the Hardware Acceleration

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SYMPTOMSYou receive one of the following Stop error messages in Windows XP: STOP 0x00000...You receive one of the following Stop error messages in Windows XP:

STOP 0x000000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER
STOP: 0x100000EA THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER_M

CAUSE
This issue occurs if the graphics adapter is caught in an infinite loop while it waits for the video hardware to become idle. (gee, a timing issue, berg) This can indicate that there is a problem with the video hardware, or that the graphics adapter cannot program the hardware correctly.

The Stop error message may also occur in video adapter drivers that do not represent a physical device. For example, this Stop error message may occur in the virtual video adapter driver that is used by Symantec PCAnywhere. If PCAnywhere is installed on a computer where this error message occurs, visit the Symantec Web site to determine whether there are any available fixes for your version of PCAnywhere.

RESOLUTION
To correct this issue, follow the methods that are described in this section in...To correct this issue, follow the methods that are described in this section in the order in which they are presented until the issue is resolved.

The first four methods described in this article are for beginning to intermediate users. The final two methods deal with advanced troubleshooting and are designed for advanced users.

You may find it easier to follow the steps if you print this article first.

Method 1: Use the Windows Error Reporting tool
Use the Windows Error Reporting Tool to send the error to Microsoft and determine of a fix or workaround is available. To do this, follow these steps:
Click Send Error Report when you are prompted to send the error report to Microsoft.

If a fix or a workaround is available, click More Information. This helps you obtain the fix or information about how to work around the issue.
If this method worked, you are finished. If you continue to receive the stop error message, go to method 2.

Method 2: Install the latest driver for your video adapter
To detect and to install the latest driver for your video adapter in Windows XP, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com (http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com)
If this method worked, you are finished. If you continue to receive the stop error message, go to method 3.

Method 3: Contact the video card manufacturer to obtain and install the latest driver

The driver is software that enables videos to be viewed on your computer. See the documentation that was included with your computer to determine the manufacturer for your video card. Then, use the links in the following list to find the contact information for your video card manufacturer in order to obtain and install the latest driver. For information about how to contact the manufacturer, click the appropriate article number in the following list to view

the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
65416 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/65416/ ) Hardware and software vendor contact information, A-K

60781 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/60781/ ) Hardware and software vendor contact information, L-P

60782 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/60782/ ) Hardware and software vendor contact information, Q-Z

Microsoft provides third-party contact information to help you find technical support. This contact information may change without notice. Microsoft does not guarantee the accuracy of this third-party contact information.

If this method worked, you are finished. If you continue to receive the stop error message, go to method 4.

Method 4: Replace your video card
For information about how to replace your video card, please see the documentation that was included with your computer.

If this method worked, you are finished. If you continue to receive the stop error message, and you are comfortable trying advanced troubleshooting steps, go to the "Advanced troubleshooting" section.

If you are not comfortable with advanced troubleshooting, you might want to go to the “Next Steps” section for additional resources that may be able to help.

Advanced troubleshooting
These methods are intended for advanced computer users. If you are not comfortable with advanced troubleshooting, you might want to ask someone for help or contact Support. For information about how to contact Support, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/ (http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/)

Method 1: Disable or update device drivers
View the Microsoft Hardware Compatibility List (HCL) to determine whether the PCI devices in the computer are compatible with Windows XP. For information about the hardware compatibility list, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx)

Update the video adapter drivers to the latest versions.

If a driver is listed by name in the Stop error message, disable or remove that driver.

Disable or remove any drivers or services that you recently added.

Note If the error occurs during the startup sequence, and the system partition is using the NTFS file system, you may be able to use safe mode to rename or to delete the faulty driver. If the driver is used as part of the system startup process in safe mode, you must start the computer by using the Recovery Console to use the file. For more information about video adapter drivers in safe mode, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

292460 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292460/ ) How to troubleshoot the video adapter driver in safe mode in Windows XP

Note If the problem is associated with the Win32k.sys file, the problem may be caused by a third-party remote control program. To remove the service, use the Recovery Console to start the computer, and then delete the specified system service file.

If this method worked, you are finished. If you continue to receive the stop error message, go to method 2.

Method 2: Adjust the Hardware Acceleration
Click Start, click Control Panel, and then double-click Display.
On the Settings tab, click Advanced, and then click the Troubleshoot tab.
Move the Hardware Acceleration slider to None, and then click to clear the Enable write combining check box.
Click OK, and then click OK.

Note This procedure prevents the graphics adapter from programming the hardware incorrectly, but you may lose some display functionality and performance. Although you can increase the hardware acceleration settings higher than None to regain functionality and performance, these settings increase the possibility that the issue will occur again. For maximum stability, leave hardware acceleration off.

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NEXT STEPSIf these methods did not help you, you might want to use the Microsoft Customer...If these methods did not help you, you might want to use the Microsoft Customer Support Services Web site to find other solutions. Some services that the Microsoft Customer Support Services Web site provides include the following:
Searchable Knowledge Base (http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1) :

Search technical support information and self-help tools for Microsoft products.

Solution Centers (http://support.microsoft.com/select/?target=hub) : View product-specific frequently asked questions and support highlights.

Microsoft Customer Support Newsgroups (http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx) :
Contact counterparts, peers, and Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs).

Other Support Options (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=csshome) : Use the Web to ask a question, contact Microsoft Customer Support Services, or provide feedback.
If you continue to have questions after you use these Microsoft Web sites or if you cannot find a solution on the Microsoft Support Services Web site, click the following link to contact Support:
http://support.microsoft.com/contactus (http://support.microsoft.com/contactus)

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[Kilyin]

wrong. like i said, not a common problem but a timing issue between the geforce chipset and the motherboard. you can wait for someone to own up to it and fix it (long wait) or you can get an ati card.

this is why i quit helping in public because everyone's a techie and advice flys all around.

I am a 'techie' so I guess it's true in this instance. Gee, we wouldn't want you to stop helping in public. What a tragedy that would be, because obviously nobody except you has any idea what they're talking about. Please, get over yourself, pal.

And no, I'm not wrong. I've seen firsthand plenty of perfectly working systems with intel chipsets and nvidia video cards. There is no 'timing issue'. If that were the case, he'd have been having problems all along. I'm assuming this computer worked fine for a long period of time and this recently started happening.

Nice KB article from Microsoft, but that's the last place I'd be looking for hardware troubleshooting advice.

[Kilyin]

um. i NEVER SAID AN OVERHEATING VIDEO CARD WOULD DO THIS.



Lighten up, Francis. Next time, maybe you should word your thoughts a little more coherently.

[Yeagermeister]

If I thought you liked me, I'd hit you up for some freebies... LOL...

You're right....if I liked you :laugh1:

[iceberg]

I am a 'techie' so I guess it's true in this instance.

And no, I'm not wrong. I've seen firsthand plenty of perfectly working systems with intel chipsets and nvidia video cards. There is no 'timing issue'. If that were the case, he'd have been having problems all along. I'm assuming this computer worked fine for a long period of time and this recently started happening.

Nice KB article from Microsoft, but that's the last place I'd be looking for hardware troubleshooting advice.

and i've seen some that have failed. you see, i've been in this bus for around 16 years.

the timing issue could also be w/the ram, bios settings, and many other hardware combos, chipset revs, mismatched ram, many many things in the end that make the unique issue now at hand.

so go ahead bb - follow boywonder here and i'll just move along.

[iceberg]

Lighten up, Francis. Next time, maybe you should word your thoughts a little more coherently.

maybe you should be a "good" techie and make sure you understand whats said before poppin off the mouith.

[Kilyin]

and i've seen some that have failed. you see, i've been in this bus for around 16 years.

the timing issue could also be w/the ram, bios settings, and many other hardware combos, chipset revs, mismatched ram, many many things in the end that make the unique issue now at hand.

so go ahead bb - follow boywonder here and i'll just move along.

Is this some sort of e-peen waving contest now? Am I supposed to be enthralled with your 'credentials'?

Hardware failure and incompatibility are two completely different things. Incompatibility issues don't suddenly manifest out of thin air. They either exist, or they don't, barring the introduction of NEW hardware into the system.

I didn't mean to interfere with your courtship of bbgun, so by all means.. do continue. Maybe he'll give you a big sloppy kiss for being so passionate.

[Yeagermeister]

Ok you two lets take it down a notch

[Kilyin]

maybe you should be a "good" techie and make sure you understand whats said before poppin off the mouith.

This is what you said:

if a heat issue it will work fine for awhile then reboot constantly till it cools down for a few hours.

Since we are talking about a VIDEO CARD and nowhere in this entire thread did you or anyone else mention a CPU overheating, one would assume you're talking about the subject at hand.

[iceberg]

Is this some sort of e-peen waving contest now? Am I supposed to be enthralled with your 'credentials'?

Hardware failure and incompatibility are two completely different things. Incompatibility issues don't suddenly manifest out of thin air. They either exist, or they don't, barring the introduction of NEW hardware into the system.

I didn't mean to interfere with your courtship of bbgun, so by all means.. do continue. Maybe he'll give you a big sloppy kiss for being so passionate.

you stepped in waving and lobbing insults.

and many things can constitute a system change. that's why overall ownership isn't easy and you get frustrated a lot.

and a big "no " right at ya. later techie-god.

[iceberg]

This is what you said:

if a heat issue it will work fine for awhile then reboot constantly till it cools down for a few hours.

Since we are talking about a VIDEO CARD and nowhere in this entire thread did you or anyone else mention a CPU overheating, one would assume you're talking about the subject at hand.

and if a CPU heat issue this is exactly what it would do.
a real techie would know this and clarify the point.

you just wanna be a .

go ahead and have a day.

[Kilyin]

you stepped in waving and lobbing insults.

and many things can constitute a system change. that's why overall ownership isn't easy and you get frustrated a lot.

and a big "no " right at ya. later techie-god.

Maybe you should go back and reread what's transpired. I didn't insult anyone until you came in here using all caps (cruise control for awesome) and acting like you're above anyone else with an opinion.

[Kilyin]

and if a CPU heat issue this is exactly what it would do.
.

This is getting comical. Wrong again. Overheating CPUs don't automatically reboot your computer. Ever heard of throttling?

[Yeagermeister]

One more time Ice and Kilyin

Take it down a notch

[Kilyin]

I haven't taken it 'up a notch' yet, and I wouldn't dare since that's against the rules. I'm not the one with my panties in a wad.

Don't worry though, I'm done here.

[silverbear]

You're right....if I liked you :laugh1:


Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me,
I'm gonna eat some worms...

And I haven't done NUFFIN, honest... but that damn, bbgun, look at the crap he started with this thread... he should be banned...

:D :D :D

[bbgun]

Nobody likes me,
Everybody hates me,
I'm gonna eat some worms...

And I haven't done NUFFIN, honest... but that damn, bbgun, look at the crap he started with this thread... he should be banned...

:D :D :D

I'm very divisive. You can no doubt relate.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm very divisive. You can no doubt relate.

...and in 2009 a poster wanting info on his screwed up laptop turned out to be the start of the computer geeks war that led to skynet and AI with the machines taking over.

[bbgun]

...and in 2009 a poster wanting info on his screwed up laptop turned out to be the start of the computer geeks war that led to skynet and AI with the machines taking over.


I am the destroyer of worlds. Well, me and hideous 70s fashions.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am the destroyer of worlds. Well, me and hideous 70s fashions.

I had a feeling you wore platform shoes.

[bbgun]

I had a feeling you wore platform shoes.

What can I say? I'm built Ford Tough.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4493/caption0126kb9.jpg

[Yeagermeister]

I am the destroyer of worlds. Well, me and hideous 70s fashions.

Looking sharp BB

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Yeagermeister/leisuresuits.gif

[silverbear]

I'm very divisive. You can no doubt relate.

Not really, no... in fact, I find the ongoing strife in here to be quite distasteful, even upsetting...

:D

[silverbear]

...and in 2009 a poster wanting info on his screwed up laptop turned out to be the start of the computer geeks war that led to skynet and AI with the machines taking over.

That's what I'm talking about...

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok you two lets take it down a notch

don't worry, they'll tire themselves out

they're techies for a reason

[iceberg]

don't worry, they'll tire themselves out

they're techies for a reason

well it's good to know the things you say still hold less value than the things i flush.

in all fairness, kyl had a point. but his points were more, it seemed, to out-tech me. fine. take it. but in the glib "poke poke" that was going on he was breaking some rules of the techie - don't assume, ask.

i know video cards overheating won't reboot a machine (i've never seen one anyway) and yes, an overheating processor can and will make a machine reboot and be very unstable once it heats up. turn it off, let it chill down and it will be fine. till it heats up again.

sure you can throttle it down, but you'll lose performance. how much? would depend really. but the problem is still the same and throttling it down usually only puts off the problem. esp if a fan issue.

kyl does know his stuff it seems. my main point is find one "techie" and stick with them. jumping around keeps the situation confusing and frustrating for all involved. in the end he made assumptions about what i said, it would seem, for the sole purpose of ragging on my suggestions.

i do understand "techies" have a sense of pride in their knowledge and these things do spin off into a whizzing contest more often than not. my bad for my part in that yesterday. just have a lot of time in PMs with bb and was close to hopefully a resolution for him and it seemed we were starting all over again.

bb - in the end we both said the same thing - just get a new video card and be done w/it. how we got there is kinda a techie path of confusion, but we do both agree that's your simplest path to resolution.

i think either of us would be glad to help you still - but for me, PM me if i can help otherwise i'll bow out and let you keep on your search to end infinite loops. : )

[Kilyin]

To be fair, my first couple of replies directed at you were merely questioning or disagreeing with statements you made (whether or not I interpreted your statements correctly is irrelevant). I wasn't ragging on you, I just tend to be blunt.

In regards to throttling, I meant thermal throttling. Most Intel (and possibly AMD - unsure) processors have a built in mechanism to throttle down to less than stock speed upon reaching a certain temperature. (t-junction max) I suppose after throttling down and heat continuing to rise the chip would either burn up and shut off your computer, or throw up a blue screen. Can't say I've ever let a processor get that hot.

So this is veering way offtopic. I will accept your indirect apology and counter with my own.

Anyway, we both agree you need a new video card... so go buy one...

[iceberg]

To be fair, my first couple of replies directed at you were merely questioning or disagreeing with statements you made (whether or not I interpreted your statements correctly is irrelevant). I wasn't ragging on you, I just tend to be blunt.

In regards to throttling, I meant thermal throttling. Most Intel (and possibly AMD - unsure) processors have a built in mechanism to throttle down to less than stock speed upon reaching a certain temperature. (t-junction max) I suppose after throttling down and heat continuing to rise the chip would either burn up and shut off your computer, or throw up a blue screen. Can't say I've ever let a processor get that hot.

So this is veering way offtopic. I will accept your indirect apology and counter with my own.

Anyway, we both agree you need a new video card... so go buy one...

yep. doesn't take techies much to go OH YEA???

my problem w/throttling is that the problem is still there and you're getting less than optimal performance out of your cpu. if the cpu is heating up it's usually because the fan is clogged/bad, didn't thermal paste properly, voltage issue on the mboard - there are varying reasons for it and simply "going slower" to me isn't a good solution.

and i've had several machines w/cpus that would go haywire due to heat and do exactly as you describe. so knowing your mindset, direct apology offered and we can move along.

bb -get ATI just to make sure. : )

[Bob Sacamano]

well it's good to know the things you say still hold less value than the things i flush.


I'm glad you care that I think I care

[iceberg]

I'm glad you care that I think I care

forgive me - it was the reply that threw me.

[5Stars]

I actually had the same problem last year with my son's Sony VAIO that bbgun has. A few year before we put in a video card (can't remember now which one, but one with a fan) because he had a game that need that video card.

Well, last year, blue screen, boot problems and shut downs...so, I just took out the video card and put the old one back in, and it's all good now. That is why it's a good idea to save the old ones in the static free plastic bags that the new one comes in when you upgrade because you never know when you might need to go back just to get it to work again.

This is also why, after I replaced the card I became more interested in pc repair and took a pc computer repair course so that that I could take the A+ Certification test...failed the first test, studied for two more weeks and passed the second one...

Now what? I'm A+ Certified but don't really want to work in that field as it was just a hobbie for me because like Hollywood Henderson, I don't do anything in the mornings when I wake up and I don't start doing that until after lunch!

But it was interesting reading what you guys are discussing. And I agree, bbgun needs a new video card or just put back in the old one if he has it.

With all those old HUGE pictures he has it's now wonder the video card went bad!

:D

Thanks kylin and iceberg for the education.

[Faerluna]

Kilyin might have a problem with you going after his wife. :laugh2:

I'd spring for everyone's popcorn to see that.

:lmao:

[bbgun]

But it was interesting reading what you guys are discussing. And I agree, bbgun needs a new video card or just put back in the old one if he has it.

With all those old HUGE pictures he has it's now wonder the video card went bad!


I do have an old Dell, and I cracked it open today to take a look at the card, but quickly determined that it would not meet my needs (too old, no fan, not sure if it's compatible, etc). I'll either fix my current problem or upgrade.

[ThaBigP]

yep. doesn't take techies much to go OH YEA???

my problem w/throttling is that the problem is still there and you're getting less than optimal performance out of your cpu. if the cpu is heating up it's usually because the fan is clogged/bad, didn't thermal paste properly, voltage issue on the mboard - there are varying reasons for it and simply "going slower" to me isn't a good solution.

and i've had several machines w/cpus that would go haywire due to heat and do exactly as you describe. so knowing your mindset, direct apology offered and we can move along.

bb -get ATI just to make sure. : )

http://blog.rednecklaughs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/redneck-pringles-engine-repair-kit.jpg

[5Stars]

I do have an old Dell, and I cracked it open today to take a look at the card, but quickly determined that it would not meet my needs (too old, no fan, not sure if it's compatible, etc). I'll either fix my current problem or upgrade.





That's what a smart person would do.



:laugh2:

[Bob Sacamano]

That's what a smart person would do.



:laugh2:

and tell him he's a cheap bastid

[bbgun]

and tell him he's a cheap bastid

Which is why I'm looking for a cheap videocard on DC Craigslist.

[Bob Sacamano]

Which is why I'm looking for a cheap videocard on DC Craigslist.

:muttley: you're too easy to read

[5Stars]

Which is why I'm looking for a cheap videocard on DC Craigslist.


You got it...

Make sure that it's compatible with your OS.


;)

[Yeagermeister]

Which is why I'm looking for a cheap videocard on DC Craigslist.

Yeah I'm sure you are just looking for a video card on craigslist :laugh2:

[bbgun]

Yeah I'm sure you are just looking for a video card on craigslist :laugh2:

I do enjoy the "women seeking women" ads. :thumbup:

[iceberg]

Which is why I'm looking for a cheap videocard on DC Craigslist.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121259

$20 after rebate.

[bbgun]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121259

$20 after rebate.

My bro thinks it has too many negatives (no fan, prone to overheating, takes up two slots, and is probably less powerful than the card I'm trying to replace - GeForce 6800). In terms of Craigslist, the "con" is no warranty/return policy.

[iceberg]

My bro thinks it has too many negatives (no fan, prone to overheating, takes up two slots, and is probably less powerful than the card I'm trying to replace - GeForce 6800). In terms of Craigslist, the "con" is no warranty/return policy.

doesn't need a fan or it would have one and it only takes up one slot.

also, you have pci x16, not 2.0. you can probably get a 4x series ati but it's overkill. given that, i doubt the 3450 is much less than the 6800.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127330

fan and dual monitor support.

compare the 6800 to ati chipsets. if the review compares to x800, that's pretty old. the 3450 will smoke it and won't need a fan.

[Kilyin]

PCI-E 2.0 is backward compatible with PCIe v1.x. The 2.0 card would just use the available bandwidth from the older generation PCI-E slot.

[iceberg]

PCI-E 2.0 is backward compatible with PCIe v1.x. The 2.0 card would just use the available bandwidth from the older generation PCI-E slot.

yep. that's why i said it was overkill. : ) if he wants to get one now but also for the next machine that could work, but by then it all updates anyway these days.

[Kilyin]

yep. that's why i said it was overkill. : ) if he wants to get one now but also for the next machine that could work, but by then it all updates anyway these days.

Just gotta keep you ATI fanboys in check.

;)

[bbgun]

doesn't need a fan or it would have one and it only takes up one slot.

also, you have pci x16, not 2.0. you can probably get a 4x series ati but it's overkill. given that, i doubt the 3450 is much less than the 6800..

Multiple reviews mentioned two slots. I guess my biggest concern is that "cheap price" might = cheap, underwhelming card. I don't do any gaming on my pc, but I do watch and record HDTV. If that card can handle that reliably, then I'll bite.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127330

fan and dual monitor support.

compare the 6800 to ati chipsets. if the review compares to x800, that's pretty old. the 3450 will smoke it and won't need a fan

Five reviews and five drastically different opinions. Hmm.

[theebs]

Just gotta keep you ATI fanboys in check.

;)


I have never used anything but ati cards on my builds. Never once had a problem!!!

I currently have a radeon 4850. I built the computer in september and have zero complaints.

well the one complaint is the 4870 which is a better card is now the same price as I paid for the 4850.

anyway, I havent read through this thread much, bbguns card died and that is his problem? or is the card just one of the problems?

[bbgun]

anyway, I havent read through this thread much, bbguns card died and that is his problem? or is the card just one of the problems?

Some say my card is dead/dying and some say it's merely a driver issue. I suspect the latter, but all sorts of troubleshooting schemes have failed to correct it. Ice has been heroic in his efforts, however.

[iceberg]

Multiple reviews mentioned two slots. I guess my biggest concern is that "cheap price" might = cheap, underwhelming card. I don't do any gaming on my pc, but I do watch and record HDTV. If that card can handle that reliably, then I'll bite.

Five reviews and five drastically different opinions. Hmm.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161203
good one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103041
another good one. : )

either of these will do fine.

[bbgun]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161203
good one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103041
another good one. : )

either of these will do fine.

What about this one? Better than the $30 card at newegg?

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/sys/1007692041.html

[iceberg]

What about this one? Better than the $30 card at newegg?

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/sys/1007692041.html

no. x850 is an old chipset.

THAT takes up 2 slots.

the 3450 is the 3000 series.
there's a 4000 and a 2000 and a 1000 series.

the x8xx series i believe came before the 1000, which was before the 2000, which was before the 3000.

don't get carried about by eye candy you'll never see once installed. besides, that card is agp. gonna have a hard time putting that into a pci x16 slot.

[bbgun]

no. x850 is an old chipset.

THAT takes up 2 slots.

the 3450 is the 3000 series.
there's a 4000 and a 2000 and a 1000 series.

the x8xx series i believe came before the 1000, which was before the 2000, which was before the 3000.

don't get carried about by eye candy you'll never see once installed. besides, that card is agp. gonna have a hard time putting that into a pci x16 slot.

I'm officially out of my depth. From now on, I'll only consider cards you recommend.

[Kilyin]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I stick with Nvidia because they've never failed me. I have a stack of Nvidia cards in my 'parts room' that were only retired because I have this obsession to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Hell I have Nvidia cards from the early 90s that still work.

[silverbear]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I stick with Nvidia because they've never failed me. I have a stack of Nvidia cards in my 'parts room' that were only retired because I have this obsession to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Hell I have Nvidia cards from the early 90s that still work.

Never had any problem with the NVidia I installed when the video card Dell put in my PC died... works just fine, but I'm not a gamer or anything...

And not for nothing, but I spent a coupla hours online researching home theater PCs, and most of the high end versions employ the NVidia GeForce top of the line cards...

[iceberg]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I stick with Nvidia because they've never failed me. I have a stack of Nvidia cards in my 'parts room' that were only retired because I have this obsession to upgrade to the latest and greatest. Hell I have Nvidia cards from the early 90s that still work.

both are good chipsets. i don't really put one much ahead of the other. i only go ati here cause the nvidea chispet is having a conflict here. ati likely won't.

you can try another nvidea chipset and maybe it will be fine, maybe not. they share drivers for the most part so i was just steering clear of the issue w/another video card.