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Bach
01-26-2009, 07:45 AM
Obama Adviser Summers: Bush Tax Cuts Must Go
January 25, 2009 03:01 PM ET | James Pethokoukis

It was very interesting what Larry Summers said on the Meet the Press today. Or, rather, what he didn't say. While Summers was adamant that the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts must be repealed, he never used the qualifying "for wealthier Americans" or some such. Maybe Obama is going to push to repeal all of them eventually. Summers also seemed to balk at the idea of leaving them in place until at least 2013. It looks to me like we will be raising taxes at the same time the Fed is raising interest rates and pulling money out of the system. Bring on the double-dip recession. Here is the exchange with David Gregory:

MR. GREGORY: Let's talk about tax cuts. About a third of his package is made up of tax cuts. Republicans want more. Specifically there's a question about the Bush tax cuts which, of course, expire next year. Does the president want to actually repeal those tax cuts this calendar year?

DR. SUMMERS: I don't think there's any question they have to be repealed. The country can't afford them for the long run.

MR. GREGORY: So repeal them this year? Because they expire next year. DR. SUMMERS: What the timing--what the--they expire, expire at the end of next year, and they have to be allowed to expire. What the timing will be, that's something that's going to have to get worked out.

MR. GREGORY: Because the House speaker says do it this year.

DR. SUMMERS: That's something that's going to have to get worked out through the legislative process.

MR. GREGORY: All right.

DR. SUMMERS: There's no question that the president's been very emphatic about this, as he was very emphatic during his campaign, that they can't be part of...

MR. GREGORY: OK, but timing is important. DR. SUMMERS: They can't be, they can't be part of the long-run budget picture.

MR. GREGORY: Well, understood. But...

DR. SUMMERS: And it's a timing--it's something that's going to be--that's something that's going to be worked out in the course of the...

MR. GREGORY: But what's his position, repeal them this year?

DR. SUMMERS: ...in the course of the legislative, legislative process. The president has made clear they--that the question of timing is one we're going to have to reach as we see how the economy unfolds...

MR. GREGORY: Yeah.

DR. SUMMERS: ...as Congress reaches its judgments. But they're not going to be with us for long.

MR. GREGORY: Why not? Why not? Conservatives make the argument, why would you want to raise taxes--if you repeal those tax cuts, taxes do go up on upper-income Americans, primarily. Why would you want to raise taxes right now? Why not put that expiration date off into, say, 2013? Why is that a bad idea?

DR. SUMMERS: Put the expiration date off into...

MR. GREGORY: 2013.

DR. SUMMERS: ...2013? First, it's a bad idea because we simply can't afford it. The president's inherited a trillion-dollar deficit, and a deficit with a baseline that is terrible as far as the eye can see. We've got to spend money now while we have a recession, while we've got this serious economic crisis, but as soon as the economy recovers we are going to have to find ways of getting the government's finances under some kind of control.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/1/25/obama-adviser-summers-bush-tax-cuts-must--go.html


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Let's hear it for more taxes!!!

DaBoys4Life
01-26-2009, 08:02 AM
I really don't understand....What is taking the tax cuts away going to do?

Hoofbite
01-26-2009, 08:07 AM
I really don't understand....What is taking the tax cuts away going to do?

piss people off.

heavyg
01-26-2009, 08:28 AM
I really don't understand....What is taking the tax cuts away going to do?

Like I was saying before the election. If they roll things back to the Clinton years. People like me who have actually got a bit of a return under Bush will now go back to having to pay at the end of the year. And I am by no means a wealthy person. My wife and I combined make enough to be considered at the bottom of the middle class. :bang2:

JBond
01-26-2009, 08:54 AM
I really don't understand....What is taking the tax cuts away going to do?

It will increase the tax burden on anyone making over $42,500. It will also bring the return of the AMT tax.

Obama promised tax cuts for everyone except the top 5% of wage earners. Anyone could figure out he was lying. I'm not sure how only $42,500 is in the top 5% of wage earners but using Obama math it is.

The general answer to your question is it will slow the economy further, because almost everyone will have less disposable income to spend. If you want to learn how to repair a recession just look at what Obama does and do the opposite.

masomenos
01-26-2009, 08:58 AM
It will increase the tax burden on anyone making over $42,500. It will also bring the return of the AMT tax.

Obama promised tax cuts for everyone except the top 5% of wage earners. Anyone could figure out he was lying. I'm not sure how only $42,500 is in the top 5% of wage earners but using Obama math it is.

The general answer to your question is it will slow the economy further, because almost everyone will have less disposable income to spend. If you want to learn how to repair a recession just look at what Obama does and do the opposite.

You just have to include all the illegal immigrants in the calculation. ;)

JBond
01-26-2009, 09:09 AM
Does anyone know of a good resource that clearly shows the average gross income of the top 5% of taxpayers? I would love to compare that to Obama's numbers.

The IRS and Treasury sites are not organized in way that makes that information easy to come by.

Hoofbite
01-26-2009, 09:13 AM
FairTax BABY!

heavyg
01-26-2009, 09:13 AM
The IRS and Treasury sites are not organized in way that makes that information easy to come by.

Well of course not. That way when Obama raises taxes on EVERYONE we will not have anything to refer back to

heavyg
01-26-2009, 09:14 AM
FairTax BABY!

:bow:

Hoofbite
01-26-2009, 09:23 AM
:bow:

I've only heard bits and pieces of it. Haven't really looked into it but just getting what little info from a buddy who is big on it, it sounds like it could work.

Of course, I'm no expert and would gladly welcome the other side to throw some light on the downs of it.

heavyg
01-26-2009, 09:28 AM
I've only heard bits and pieces of it. Haven't really looked into it but just getting what little info from a buddy who is big on it, it sounds like it could work.

Of course, I'm no expert and would gladly welcome the other side to throw some light on the downs of it.

I think either the fairtax or the flattax is the way we should go.

Hoofbite
01-26-2009, 09:30 AM
I think either the fairtax or the flattax is the way we should go.

One thing about FairTax that really sounded good to me is that it hits EVERYONE.

No working under the table and escaping paying taxes.

heavyg
01-26-2009, 09:32 AM
One thing about FairTax that really sounded good to me is that it hits EVERYONE.

No working under the table and escaping paying taxes.

Yeah I think its like a federal sales tax. At least that is the way I understand it

Cajuncowboy
01-26-2009, 10:13 AM
I said this before the election and it's coming to pass right now. Companies hear what Obama is saying and they are laying people off right and left. It started before the election and it got sped up afterwords. Small business people as well will and are being cautious with expansion as well due to this. The added tax burden will then be passed on to the consumer and in the end more and more small business will fail, which is the goal of the Democrats.

JBond
01-26-2009, 10:38 AM
I said this before the election and it's coming to pass right now. Companies hear what Obama is saying and they are laying people off right and left. It started before the election and it got sped up afterwords. Small business people as well will and are being cautious with expansion as well due to this. The added tax burden will then be passed on to the consumer and in the end more and more small business will fail, which is the goal of the Democrats.

Sprint is firing 8000 this week in Kansas City. I guess Obama will hire them using money from the taxpayers to dig ditches. That should stimulate the economy.

ninja
01-26-2009, 10:43 AM
What Obama said:Obama said 95% of Americans will get a tax cut. 5% will see their taxes rise.

What will happen: 95% of Americans will see their taxes rise by 9%. 5% of Americans will see their taxes rise by 10%.

Therefore, Obama kept his promise: 95% of Americans got a 1% decrease in their taxes(as compared to the upper 5%). See, it is all so simple. And Obama will say he socked it to the rich, raised their taxes by a whopping 10%. Get it?

JBond
01-26-2009, 10:54 AM
What Obama said:Obama said 95% of Americans will get a tax cut. 5% will see their taxes rise.

What will happen: 95% of Americans will see their taxes rise by 9%. 5% of Americans will see their taxes rise by 10%.

Therefore, Obama kept his promise: 95% of Americans got a 1% decrease in their taxes(as compared to the upper 5%). See, it is all so simple. And Obama will say he socked it to the rich, raised their taxes by a whopping 10%. Get it?

Thank you. Now it all makes sense. I wonder if this is logic that is being taught in the government schools.

You know the type of logic I'm talking about. There are more polar bears than ever yet they are closer to extinction than ever type logic.:confused:

Oh well.