Interesting trends

[VCDefectors]

I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?

Don't be among those who feel it is necessary to keep such false divisions alive. Let's try to figure out the problems facing this great nation together and let the old ways of Dittohead-vs-SlickWillie go by the wayside.

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/images/obama_busted_small.jpg

[ScipioCowboy]

I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?



I was taught that dissension is the ultimate form of patriotism.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was taught that dissension is the ultimate form of patriotism.



No Scip, you have that confused with, "Watch out where the Husky's go, but don't you eat their yellow snow!"

;)

[bbgun]

I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?

Don't be among those who feel it is necessary to keep such false divisions alive. Let's try to figure out the problems facing this great nation together and let the old ways of Dittohead-vs-SlickWillie go by the wayside.


Drop dead.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8826/1aaaaholder002gf1.jpg

[Doomsday101]

I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?

Don't be among those who feel it is necessary to keep such false divisions alive. Let's try to figure out the problems facing this great nation together and let the old ways of Dittohead-vs-SlickWillie go by the wayside.

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/images/obama_busted_small.jpg

You mean go along with what you disagree with? In this stimulus bill that passed the house no republican and 11 dems did not vote for it because they did not like the waste that was added to it. If the Senate version is cleaned up and focusing on problem areas then I'm sure even some republicans will vote for it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You mean go along with what you disagree with? In this stimulus bill that passed the house no republican and 11 dems did not vote for it because they did not like the waste that was added to it. If the Senate version is cleaned up and focusing on problem areas then I'm sure even some republicans will vote for it.


Of course that is true. I've not really heard any discention on that, from the Republican Party of anybody on this board. However, this is becoming a very unpopular Bill. As of today, the Gallup Poll reflects the following:

38% of Americans are in favor of passing the Bill "As Is".

37% want to see major change in the Bill before it is passed.

17% want the Bill scrapped entirely.

8% are undecided.

Now, as of 4 days ago, those numbers reflected the following.

52% in favor of passing the Bill.

37% not in favor of passing the Bill.

11% undecided.

The support for this thing is evaporating and if it gets to the point where a strong majority of America is opposed to this Bill, I suspect it will not pass. That's going to hurt the President and what he wants to accomplish in his Presidency IMO. As it stands today, according to the Gallup Poll, 54% of Americans do not want this Bill to pass. That's a 17% swing in just 4 days. This is only going to get worse.

The Democrats need to step out from the rain right now and revise this thing so that it actually reprsents a stimulus package and not a Spending Bill.

[Doomsday101]

Of course that is true. I've not really heard any discention on that, from the Republican Party of anybody on this board. However, this is becoming a very unpopular Bill. As of today, the Gallup Poll reflects the following:

38% of Americans are in favor of passing the Bill "As Is".

37% want to see major change in the Bill before it is passed.

17% want the Bill scrapped entirely.

8% are undecided.

Now, as of 4 days ago, those numbers reflected the following.

52% in favor of passing the Bill.

37% not in favor of passing the Bill.

11% undecided.

The support for this thing is evaporating and if it gets to the point where a strong majority of America is opposed to this Bill, I suspect it will not pass. That's going to hurt the President and what he wants to accomplish in his Presidency IMO. As it stands today, according to the Gallup Poll, 54% of Americans do not want this Bill to pass. That's a 17% swing in just 4 days. This is only going to get worse.

The Democrats need to step out from the rain right now and revise this thing so that it actually reprsents a stimulus package and not a Spending Bill.

The more people hear about what is in the bill it should not come as a surprise the numbers are falling in support of it. All items in this bill should be geared towards creating jobs and stimulating the economy all other items need to be placed in separate legislation and win approval on its own merits this is just not the place to put it.

[ethiostar]

I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?

Don't be among those who feel it is necessary to keep such false divisions alive. Let's try to figure out the problems facing this great nation together and let the old ways of Dittohead-vs-SlickWillie go by the wayside.

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/images/obama_busted_small.jpg

Dude, do you have this same message on 'Automatic' posting for every week or every other week or something? You know like automatic payments to pay your bills online on a monthly basis?

:horse:

[bbgun]

Dude, do you have this same message on 'Automatic' posting for every week or every other week or something? You know like automatic payments to pay your bills online on a monthly basis?

:horse:

He's just another lefty whose newfound love of country is totally dependent on a Democrat being in the Oval Office.

[sbark]

[quote=VCDefectors;2619316]I've noticed that very little progress has been made concerning the political right-wing in dropping old partisan trickery and getting on board with being a team player. Whatever happened to being an American citizen first?

Don't be among those who feel it is necessary to keep such false divisions alive. Let's try to figure out the problems facing this great nation together and let the old ways of Dittohead-vs-SlickWillie go by the wayside.


........I'd say disent and partisinship was the full intent of the founding fathers.......they did everything they could do to prevent a central govt from accumulating too much power.......

they didnt do a good nuff' job........but then the Principles of the USA Constitutution has been trashed by both parties.....:(

[VCDefectors]

'Tis sad to see so many of you guys stick to such a broken spirit and one which only serves to divide this nation of ours. Obama has gone above and beyond in reaching across the aisle. It is now time to do your part and drop some of the old grudges that will never get resolved. Help Obama help you!!

[Doomsday101]

'Tis sad to see so many of you guys stick to such a broken spirit and one which only serves to divide this nation of ours. Obama has gone above and beyond in reaching across the aisle. It is now time to do your part and drop some of the old grudges that will never get resolved. Help Obama help you!!

By going along with what some of us disagree with? Sorry that is not going to happen. If Obama can put something together that conservatives can agree with I'm sure they will vote with him if not well he does not need the Republicans to get it passed. For me it has nothing to do with a grudge it has to do with standing up for what I feel is right and the more other Americans are seeing this stimulus bill as it stands now are not over whelming supporting it. Just so you know when Bush proposed the 700 billion I disagreed with that as well.

[VCDefectors]

By going along with what some of us disagree with? Sorry that is not going to happen. If Obama can put something together that conservatives can agree with I'm sure they will vote with him if not well he does not need the Republicans to get it passed. For me it has nothing to do with a grudge it has to do with standing up for what I feel is right and the more other Americans are seeing this stimulus bill as it stands now are not over whelming supporting it. Just so you know when Bush proposed the 700 billion I disagreed with that as well.

Your opinion is noted. But what I'm talking about is the fact that Obama has only been in office for 2 weeks and I have seen some of the most unpatriotic acts, people right here looking for reasons for Obama to fail, posting all kinds of treasonous poison. It's disgusting and shows no respect, especially some these enlisted people. That's no way to talk about a boss!!

[ethiostar]

He's just another lefty whose newfound love of country is totally dependent on a Democrat being in the Oval Office.

Problem is it is not limited to those on the left. Those on the extreme right also do the same thing when they have their guy in power. It's somewhat of a vicious cycle.

[bbgun]

Problem is it is not limited to those on the left. Those on the extreme right also do the same thing when they have their guy in power. It's somewhat of a vicious cycle.

I don't know of anyone on the right who refused to fly the flag when Clinton or Obama took office. Or said they were "proud to be an American again" when Bush succeeded Bubba. Presidents come and go; America is forever.

[ShiningStar]

Funny how VC now wants everyone to get together but i doubt he wanted that when Bush was in office. Maybe if VC here can break down the stimulus bill and tell us how it will help us, maybe we can see the divine way such as him.

[Aikbach]

Judging by the ever growing weariness of the stimulus that was Obama's genesis and his failure to vet almost half a dozen now disgraced cabinet members he has lost his credibility on the economy.

[VCDefectors]

Funny how VC now wants everyone to get together but i doubt he wanted that when Bush was in office. Maybe if VC here can break down the stimulus bill and tell us how it will help us, maybe we can see the divine way such as him.

Please...let's stop with the partisan tactics, ok? Thank you.

As far as the new proposed stimulus package is concerned...let me begin with the $700B bailout. I was initially supportive of the Bush bailout, but the level of greed on Wall Street and the financial institutions was far greater than even I could have imagined. So, I dropped support of it.

In fact, they should just roll the remaining $350B into this new stimulus package, which should be much more effective in helping turn this economy.

I hope that answers your question.

[ethiostar]

I don't know of anyone on the right who refused to fly the flag when Clinton or Obama took office. Or said they were "proud to be an American again" when Bush succeeded Bubba. Presidents come and go; America is forever.

Quite a few on this board have already stated that they want to see this administration fail miserably. As if the administration failure would not affect 'America.' I've also heard this same sentiment in person from people that i associate with who happen to be on the far right side of the fence. The same people who were labeling people who opposed Bush's policies as unpatriotic.

I'm not interested in getting into a bipartisan debate with you bb, i was just annoyed because VCD seems to post this same thread once every week.

[VCDefectors]

I was just annoyed because VCD seems to post this same thread once every week.

How dare you suggest that I am intentionally posting reruns!!

I can't help it that very little progress has been made. Making a post that speaks directly to the minds (level of understanding) of some of the regulars here while putting some new spin on things is a challenge, to say the least.

But I can assure you that my threads do address core issues around here. And, yes, while I would like to see more progress, sometimes you have to be patient while being consistent. These weekly reminders will eventually sink in and then we talk about something else. Sound good?

[ShiningStar]

Please...let's stop with the partisan tactics, ok? Thank you.

As far as the new proposed stimulus package is concerned...let me begin with the $700B bailout. I was initially supportive of the Bush bailout, but the level of greed on Wall Street and the financial institutions was far greater than even I could have imagined. So, I dropped support of it.

In fact, they should just roll the remaining $350B into this new stimulus package, which should be much more effective in helping turn this economy.

I hope that answers your question.


NO it doesnt, my brain doesnt stop working cause you want it to or you tell me to, now drop the stimulus package on this thread and break it down and we'll debate its worth

[VCDefectors]

NO it doesnt, my brain doesnt stop working cause you want it to or you tell me to, now drop the stimulus package on this thread and break it down and we'll debate its worth

First, I don't need you barking orders at me like that. If you want a stimulus package breakdown, all you got to do is ask for one.

Second, here is a breakdown and a link to the source:

http://www.stocktradingtogo.com/2009/01/28/obama-stimulus-package-breakdown/


Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)

State Relief - Helping the states with unemployment benefits, budget shortfalls, medicaid, and the like (13% of total)

Struggling Citizens - Increase food stamps, unemployment insurance coverage, and provide insurance for the jobless (12% of total)

Tax Cuts - Tax cuts to individuals and business (36% of total)

[ShiningStar]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8006


this is a finer break down that i have come across. Im not a fan of a few organizations getting new computers nor see how some get money that really dont stimiluate the economy but helps organizations get more money thinking they will be stimulating the economy

[ethiostar]

How dare you suggest that I am intentionally posting reruns!!

I can't help it that very little progress has been made. Making a post that speaks directly to the minds (level of understanding) of some of the regulars here while putting some new spin on things is a challenge, to say the least.

But I can assure you that my threads do address core issues around here. And, yes, while I would like to see more progress, sometimes you have to be patient while being consistent. These weekly reminders will eventually sink in and then we talk about something else. Sound good?

So you believe that if you keep posting the same thing (with a new spin) over and over again, at some point, those on the far right will eventually agree with you? You're smarter than that, i think.

And yes, some of your posts do address real issues and you do make some relevant arguments from time to time. I just wish you stop posting threads that ask why everyone is NOT on board with Obama's policies. Politics never works that way, i don't care who the president is. There will always be dissension and that's fine, can't expect 300+ million people to agree with anything. But that doesn't make people unpatriotic.

[ShiningStar]

So you believe that if you keep posting the same thing (with a new spin) over and over again, at some point, those on the far right will eventually agree with you? You're smarter than that, i think.

And yes, some of your posts do address real issues and you do make some relevant arguments from time to time. I just wish you stop posting threads that ask why everyone is NOT on board with Obama's policies. Politics never works that way, i don't care who the president is. There will always be dissension and that's fine, can't expect 300+ million people to agree with anything. But that doesn't make people unpatriotic.

Yes he does make valid points and makes one think, but I dont know if he understands how the whole system works and that people are FREE to think as they wish whether we all agree or not. This is the problem with freedom of speech and freedom of expression, you may not agree with it but you should respect we have it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

First, I don't need you barking orders at me like that. If you want a stimulus package breakdown, all you got to do is ask for one.

Second, here is a breakdown and a link to the source:

http://www.stocktradingtogo.com/2009/01/28/obama-stimulus-package-breakdown/


Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)

State Relief - Helping the states with unemployment benefits, budget shortfalls, medicaid, and the like (13% of total)

Struggling Citizens - Increase food stamps, unemployment insurance coverage, and provide insurance for the jobless (12% of total)

Tax Cuts - Tax cuts to individuals and business (36% of total)


This is not a very factual representation of what this Bill consists of. In reality, less then 10% and I've even heard figures of less then 3%, of this bill is actual tax cuts for the working man. A huge majority of the money they claim to be Tax Cuts are nothing more then welfare checks. How does a guy who doesn't pay taxes get a tax cut? A person who is making more then 87 thousand is not getting a tax cut. Couples making more then 187K jointly are not getting a tax cut. This is based on adjusted Gross Income.

[Aikbach]

Knowing how wily and shrewd President Obama has proven himself to be, it has occurred to me this stimulus is a great gamble on his part to produce one of two possible political outcomes; one is that he is deceived into thinking it will actually succeed, two is that he is willing to sacrifice his own party's congressional standing in order to insure himself a second term.

For in 2012 he stands far greater chance to be re-elected with a divided government to blame for all that is wrong in the world than if his own party has held absolute power in every branch.

If the Republicans do not take back congress in 2010, mark my words that this stimulus package will be Obama's undoing and give him the dubious distinction of being the lone single term president in 20 years.

[ThaBigP]

Of course that is true. I've not really heard any discention on that, from the Republican Party of anybody on this board. However, this is becoming a very unpopular Bill. As of today, the Gallup Poll reflects the following:

38% of Americans are in favor of passing the Bill "As Is".

37% want to see major change in the Bill before it is passed.

17% want the Bill scrapped entirely.

8% are undecided.

Now, as of 4 days ago, those numbers reflected the following.

52% in favor of passing the Bill.

37% not in favor of passing the Bill.

11% undecided.

The support for this thing is evaporating and if it gets to the point where a strong majority of America is opposed to this Bill, I suspect it will not pass. That's going to hurt the President and what he wants to accomplish in his Presidency IMO. As it stands today, according to the Gallup Poll, 54% of Americans do not want this Bill to pass. That's a 17% swing in just 4 days. This is only going to get worse.

The Democrats need to step out from the rain right now and revise this thing so that it actually reprsents a stimulus package and not a Spending Bill.

You just answered the question that has been begged by VC's post..."Why oh why the rush to demand! DEMAND! that the opposition unilaterally drop any and all principles they may have and rush to get in line behind Il Uno, in order to forge a new society based on unity....unity at all cost?"

[ABQCOWBOY]

Knowing how wily and shrewd President Obama has proven himself to be, it has occurred to me this stimulus is a great gamble on his part to produce one of two possible political outcomes; one is that he is deceived into thinking it will actually succeed, two is that he is willing to sacrifice his own party's congressional standing in order to insure himself a second term.

For in 2012 he stands far greater chance to be re-elected with a divided government to blame for all that is wrong in the world than if his own party has held absolute power in every branch.

If the Republicans do not take back congress in 2010, mark my words that this stimulus package will be Obama's undoing and give him the dubious distinction of being the lone single term president in 20 years.

This Bill is so full of crap. They really should name this the Bait and Switch Bill. The Democrates tried to pass it off as a Stimulus Package and used shock value and Fear to try and force it down everybodies throat before anybody got wise but really, it's President Obama's and the Entire Left Wing Democratic Governments idea of social and political reformation. If this Bill gets passed, America will effectively become a welfare state. We will no longer be a free enterprise society with Free Market principles. The idea of a walfare state is all well and good but the problem is that once the Free Market piece is illiminated, the people who are interested in actually making money and creating jobs will move on. Then we will be left with 300 Million people, all wondering where the welfare has gone, with no idea how to right the ship because America will be bankrupt.

[bbgun]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1771/1aaaapostbl8.jpg

[ThaBigP]

Yes he does make valid points and makes one think, but I dont know if he understands how the whole system works and that people are FREE to think as they wish whether we all agree or not. This is the problem with freedom of speech and freedom of expression, you may not agree with it but you should respect we have it.

It's got a word...it's called the Progressive movement. It started at the turn of the 20th century. It swept across the US and Europe. Progressivism can be generally defined by a few characteristics...essentially the imposition of a new national (and eventually world) order based upon a series of false premises (and illogical extrapolation of true premises) intentionally forced upon a population through the institutions of education and popular culture:

1) Science is the source of all knowledge and wisdom. Also, science will eventually cure of all mankind's ills and travails if allowed to be free from the artificial constraints of outdated modes such as "ethics" and "morality".

2) Science indicates that organisms evolve in order to adapt to changing environments. Those that do not change perish. Those that do change and evolve are made stronger for the venture. The more evolved are destined to displace the less evolved by the process of natural selection.

3) Political opinion and worldview is subject to "evolution".

3) Some political opinions are more evolved than others.

4) When Progressives seize power, they should marginalize (politically as well as socially) those deemed "less evolved" - displace them from the body politic as well as popular culture. Political debate is no longer necessary...any more necessary than a human need debate a chimpanzee. Chimpanzees are viewed by the more evolved humans as zoo exhibits, not social and political equals.

5) Some people can be made to "evolve" their ways of thinking through proper education. It is the role of government to see to it that as many as possible are brought into the light through the infusion of Progressivethink into the education system.

6) Those who cannot be reeducated into the new way of thinking have merely demostrated that they are truely incapable of evolving. Natural selection will take its course and leave them in the past. In the meantime, politics and society will continue to progress without their no-longer-necessary political and social input.

Some of that may sound odd to those unfamiliar with the Progressive movement of the early 20th century. Any research will bear out those false premises (or illogical extrapolation of true premises) to be PRECISELY what they believed. And who were "they"? US Progressives. Itallian fascists. And German Nazis. Yes, Virginia, the same political movement afoot in the early 20th century that gave us modern-day American liberals spawned Fascists and Nazis in Europe. Why not the deathcamps and jackbooted thug regime here? Read de Toqueville for your answer. There's a reason the same ideology that led to the Holocaust in Europe only resulted in a bloated federal government here. But the Progressives never stop...hence the name one may suppose. But really it's merely an attempt to get their way without having to even give lip service to a debate. You see, they're "more evolved", or they have "moved past", or have "progressed beyond" your old, antiquated, knuckle-dragging political worldview.

[The Grim Reaper]

'Tis sad to see so many of you guys stick to such a broken spirit and one which only serves to divide this nation of ours. Obama has gone above and beyond in reaching across the aisle. It is now time to do your part and drop some of the old grudges that will never get resolved. Help Obama help you!!The nation is divided because people like you think one political side is noble and the other side is wicked.

Do you make any attempts at all to offer olive branches to the Right? To see their concerns? Let em answer that for you. No. At every turn you look for a way to paint them as beneath you in some way. How odd that they feel contempt for you when all you are doing is tooting your own horn of superiority.

I have never believed you can reach out to someone by thumbing your nose at them, but that's just me.

For 8 years you have insulted and condemned the political right because their guy was in power. Now that your guy is in power they should act diplomatic and see the point of supporting the Political Left as a way to fix everything?

Even more amazing is that you act shocked that they aren't graciously accepting your put downs and genuflecting to the President.

You couldn't drop your own grudges if they were eating your skin, so don't preach to others what they need to do.

[iceberg]

Funny how VC now wants everyone to get together but i doubt he wanted that when Bush was in office. Maybe if VC here can break down the stimulus bill and tell us how it will help us, maybe we can see the divine way such as him.

it's intentional. say something you know will get a reaction then stall with more stupid phrases while people try to argue against somethiing he doesn't care about.

of course it's not reasonable to ask for people to get along NOW. but the left was waiting for the day almost in baited breathe to pay back the stupidity. so when you see vc saying strange things, it's purely to get reaction.

solid discussion is not on vc's agenda.

[ThaBigP]

And guys/gals....I'd really not take VC too seriously. He's so far over the top with his Obama French-kissing that it is most likely just an attempt to get a rise out of us. I mean, seriously...pretty soon VC will be talking about Obama walking on water, feeding a multitude with but a fish and small bit of bread, the whole works.

[ShiningStar]

It's got a word...it's called the Progressive movement. It started at the turn of the 20th century. It swept across the US and Europe. Progressivism can be generally defined by a few characteristics...essentially the imposition of a new national (and eventually world) order based upon a series of false premises (and illogical extrapolation of true premises) intentionally forced upon a population through the institutions of education and popular culture:

1) Science is the source of all knowledge and wisdom. Also, science will eventually cure of all mankind's ills and travails if allowed to be free from the artificial constraints of outdated modes such as "ethics" and "morality".

2) Science indicates that organisms evolve in order to adapt to changing environments. Those that do not change perish. Those that do change and evolve are made stronger for the venture. The more evolved are destined to displace the less evolved by the process of natural selection.

3) Political opinion and worldview is subject to "evolution".

3) Some political opinions are more evolved than others.

4) When Progressives seize power, they should marginalize (politically as well as socially) those deemed "less evolved" - displace them from the body politic as well as popular culture. Political debate is no longer necessary...any more necessary than a human need debate a chimpanzee. Chimpanzees are viewed by the more evolved humans as zoo exhibits, not social and political equals.

5) Some people can be made to "evolve" their ways of thinking through proper education. It is the role of government to see to it that as many as possible are brought into the light through the infusion of Progressivethink into the education system.

6) Those who cannot be reeducated into the new way of thinking have merely demostrated that they are truely incapable of evolving. Natural selection will take its course and leave them in the past. In the meantime, politics and society will continue to progress without their no-longer-necessary political and social input.

Some of that may sound odd to those unfamiliar with the Progressive movement of the early 20th century. Any research will bear out those false premises (or illogical extrapolation of true premises) to be PRECISELY what they believed. And who were "they"? US Progressives. Itallian fascists. And German Nazis. Yes, Virginia, the same political movement afoot in the early 20th century that gave us modern-day American liberals spawned Fascists and Nazis in Europe. Why not the deathcamps and jackbooted thug regime here? Read de Toqueville for your answer. There's a reason the same ideology that led to the Holocaust in Europe only resulted in a bloated federal government here. But the Progressives never stop...hence the name one may suppose. But really it's merely an attempt to get their way without having to even give lip service to a debate. You see, they're "more evolved", or they have "moved past", or have "progressed beyond" your old, antiquated, knuckle-dragging political worldview.


I thank you for the lesson on that and agree 100 percent

[ShiningStar]

it's intentional. say something you know will get a reaction then stall with more stupid phrases while people try to argue against somethiing he doesn't care about.

of course it's not reasonable to ask for people to get along NOW. but the left was waiting for the day almost in baited breathe to pay back the stupidity. so when you see vc saying strange things, it's purely to get reaction.

solid discussion is not on vc's agenda.


Ah, so I bit instead of ignoring, lesson learned number 2 tonite. Thank you my friend

[MetalHead]

Ah, so I bit instead of ignoring, lesson learned number 2 tonite. Thank you my friend

I see he is also anti gun....

[ShiningStar]

I see he is also anti gun....


VCD? Yeah, he bought into everything they tell him hook line and sinker. People usually dont debate that with me either.

[VCDefectors]

Thanks to everyone for their responses. I apologize for not being able to reply to individual threads, as there are too many to respond to at this point.

But let me just say this:

1. If you are absolutely against this stimulus package, please state for the record what you feel is the correct solution. Should the government sit back and do nothing or do you feel that there should be a stimulus package targeted towards something else?

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

[zrinkill]

To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

The Mods know exactly what you are up to.

You start threads just to try and stir up crap and then play the victim when you do not like the answers.

No one cares or is sympathetic to your silly act.

[ShiningStar]

Thanks to everyone for their responses. I apologize for not being able to reply to individual threads, as there are too many to respond to at this point.

But let me just say this:

1. If you are absolutely against this stimulus package, please state for the record what you feel is the correct solution. Should the government sit back and do nothing or do you feel that there should be a stimulus package targeted towards something else?

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.


I really want to end this. The republicans arent against the stimulus package, just simply put, more money going to generate ways to get people working, may not be the jobs they wanted in life, but something to get them out there and getting money in their pockets for something. They told Obama pretty clearly what they wanted to see, he wanted them to see his idea first and they were not impressed with it.

[bbgun]

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

Says the man who accused Obama critics of being "traitors" in post #13. Ever heard of The Golden Rule?

[MetalHead]

Thanks to everyone for their responses. I apologize for not being able to reply to individual threads, as there are too many to respond to at this point.

But let me just say this:

1. If you are absolutely against this stimulus package, please state for the record what you feel is the correct solution. Should the government sit back and do nothing or do you feel that there should be a stimulus package targeted towards something else?

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

Kid,you are deranged.

[burmafrd]

Biggest hypocrit on the board is now officially VCD.
Its no longer even a contest.

[ninja]

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

:lmao: Mommy, mommy, please make them stop. Quit touching me. If you say any more bad things about me I'm telling the teacher on you.

[MetalHead]

And his new name is:

The boy from IpaEnema.

Now go listen to some bossa nova.

[trickblue]

Your opinion is noted. But what I'm talking about is the fact that Obama has only been in office for 2 weeks and I have seen some of the most unpatriotic acts, people right here looking for reasons for Obama to fail, posting all kinds of treasonous poison. It's disgusting and shows no respect, especially some these enlisted people. That's no way to talk about a boss!!

Treasonous? C'mon VCD...

Methinks your tongue is firmly planted in cheek...

[bbgun]

Treasonous? C'mon VCD...

Methinks your tongue is firmly planted in cheek...

Methinks his head is firmly stuck ...

[ethiostar]

Biggest hypocrit on the board is now officially VCD.
Its no longer even a contest.

Sorry for your loss burm:D, although number two ain't too shabby. And way to lose gracefully, hats off to you.

[ethiostar]

Methinks his head is firmly stuck ...

:laugh2:

[ShiningStar]

Your opinion is noted. But what I'm talking about is the fact that Obama has only been in office for 2 weeks and I have seen some of the most unpatriotic acts, people right here looking for reasons for Obama to fail, posting all kinds of treasonous poison. It's disgusting and shows no respect, especially some these enlisted people. That's no way to talk about a boss!!

They arent looking for him to fail VCD, If you take Rush Limbaugh at his word and you really should on this one. We are not looking for Obama to fail but Socialism to fail.

[sbark]

[quote=VCDefectors;2619598]First, I don't need you barking orders at me like that. If you want a stimulus package breakdown, all you got to do is ask for one.

Second, here is a breakdown and a link to the source:

http://www.stocktradingtogo.com/2009/01/28/obama-stimulus-package-breakdown/

Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)Obama's plan----start the projects: stick the states with finishing

State Relief - Helping the states with unemployment benefits, budget shortfalls, medicaid, and the like (13% of total)Same as bailing out failing business.....no change in the way they do busines....will be back at the public trough in 8 months...funny most are Lib states.....

Struggling Citizens - Increase food stamps, unemployment insurance coverage, and provide insurance for the jobless (12% of total)Give small business an incentive, and this group will have jobs....wonder what they'd rather have.....at least i hope so...

Tax Cuts - Tax cuts to individuals and business (36% of total)Earned Income credit is not tax cuts.....its camo'd welfare...again no jobs.

Alternatives>......Notice a familiar theme after a little research????
http://www.cato.org/

http://www.heritage.org/

http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/

[iceberg]

Thanks to everyone for their responses. I apologize for not being able to reply to individual threads, as there are too many to respond to at this point.

But let me just say this:

1. If you are absolutely against this stimulus package, please state for the record what you feel is the correct solution. Should the government sit back and do nothing or do you feel that there should be a stimulus package targeted towards something else?

2. To those of you resorting to personal attacks (you know who you are), there are consequences to be faced if you don't cease and desist. I am only giving you a fair warning. That sort of behavior won't be tolerated in this thread.

oh what are you going to do - threaten to post again?

[VCDefectors]

Your opinion is noted. But what I'm talking about is the fact that Obama has only been in office for 2 weeks and I have seen some of the most unpatriotic acts, people right here looking for reasons for Obama to fail, posting all kinds of treasonous poison. It's disgusting and shows no respect, especially some these enlisted people. That's no way to talk about a boss!!

They arent looking for him to fail VCD, If you take Rush Limbaugh at his word and you really should on this one. We are not looking for Obama to fail but Socialism to fail.

Well, I at least applaud you for trying your best to stay on topic. I'm not sure if you should invoke Rush though, because he has already publicly stated that he wants Obama to fail. Nevertheless, you at least admit to listening to him. Most of the dittoheads that live here can't even go that far.

I will take your opinions into consideration, as I am always open to looking at things from different perspectives. Thank you for your input.

[ShiningStar]

Well, I at least applaud you for trying your best to stay on topic. I'm not sure if you should invoke Rush though, because he has already publicly stated that he wants Obama to fail. Nevertheless, you at least admit to listening to him. Most of the dittoheads that live here can't even go that far.

I will take your opinions into consideration, as I am always open to looking at things from different perspectives. Thank you for your input.

I didnt say i listen to him, tho i did in college, im not even a republican. But he has stated its not Obama that frightens him, it is socialism.
Im all for opinions and the what have you's as well and i do hope you give it some thought. The research is easy to do, the rest is if you believe. When it comes to politics its hard to, everyone makes it that way.

Im not even sure we all realize how far politics have come along and how lucky we are for all the liberties and rights we have with it. Well for which conspiracy theories we all believe in. But we are all in agreement that tomorrow is always a new playing ground.

[VCDefectors]

[quote=VCDefectors;2619598]First, I don't need you barking orders at me like that. If you want a stimulus package breakdown, all you got to do is ask for one.

Second, here is a breakdown and a link to the source:

http://www.stocktradingtogo.com/2009/01/28/obama-stimulus-package-breakdown/

Infrastructure - Rebuilding our highways, bridges, schools, etc. alongside creating more renewable energy (39% of total)Obama's plan----start the projects: stick the states with finishing

State Relief - Helping the states with unemployment benefits, budget shortfalls, medicaid, and the like (13% of total)Same as bailing out failing business.....no change in the way they do busines....will be back at the public trough in 8 months...funny most are Lib states.....

Struggling Citizens - Increase food stamps, unemployment insurance coverage, and provide insurance for the jobless (12% of total)Give small business an incentive, and this group will have jobs....wonder what they'd rather have.....at least i hope so...

Tax Cuts - Tax cuts to individuals and business (36% of total)Earned Income credit is not tax cuts.....its camo'd welfare...again no jobs.

Alternatives>......Notice a familiar theme after a little research????
http://www.cato.org/

http://www.heritage.org/

http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/

I'm not so sure about your assertion that states would end up with the responsibility of 'finishing the job'. If you have credible information on this, I would like to hear it.

Camo'd welfare, as you put it, is such a loaded term, because in our culture, welfare denotes helping the poor. Yet welfare occurs in all economic sectors. And it's variation of the same worn-out stereotype cast out over and over by conservatives: that all poor people are lazy and deserve their fate.

It would be nice if you were to frame your argument a little bit differently here.

[ScipioCowboy]

Well, I at least applaud you for trying your best to stay on topic. I'm not sure if you should invoke Rush though, because he has already publicly stated that he wants Obama to fail. Nevertheless, you at least admit to listening to him. Most of the dittoheads that live here can't even go that far.

I will take your opinions into consideration, as I am always open to looking at things from different perspectives. Thank you for your input.

Perhaps they aren't dittoheads.

Perhaps they merely hold beliefs and opinions that differ from yours, and your inclination to label them dittoheads is rooted more in your own need to gain a sense of moral and intellectual superiority than any similarities to Rush Limbaugh they may actually exhibit.

Of course, if the crass generalization of your opposition is your only recourse in debate, it's very likely that your position is more tenuous than theirs.

[VCDefectors]

I didnt say i listen to him, tho i did in college, im not even a republican. But he has stated its not Obama that frightens him, it is socialism.
Im all for opinions and the what have you's as well and i do hope you give it some thought. The research is easy to do, the rest is if you believe. When it comes to politics its hard to, everyone makes it that way.

Im not even sure we all realize how far politics have come along and how lucky we are for all the liberties and rights we have with it. Well for which conspiracy theories we all believe in. But we are all in agreement that tomorrow is always a new playing ground.

It's ok to admit being a listener. Even I listen to him occasionally. It helps me understand one of the major sources of hate and negative eneregy that fuels the conservative base.

Socialism doesn't frighten me, because as Karl Marx predicted in the 19th century, capitalist societies will invariably infuse socialist practices in order to keep capitalism alive. That is exactly what we are seeing today. The United States and its continual movement towards socialism has been going on for a long time. I doubt this will change either. It will take another national revolution to restore true capitalism. That's just my opinion.

[VCDefectors]

Perhaps they aren't dittoheads.

Perhaps they merely hold beliefs and opinions that differ from yours, and your inclination to label them dittoheads is rooted more in your own need to gain a sense of moral and intellectual superiority than any similarities to Rush Limbaugh they may actually exhibit.

Of course, if the crass generalization of your opposition is your only recourse in debate, it's very likely that your position is more tenuous than theirs.

Whatever.

Dittoheads are easy to spot, even on a message board. And it has nothing to do with any specific beliefs. It has more to do with an uncontained hatred towards liberalism. You find me a liberal-hater who isn't a dittohead, I will find you a liar.

[iceberg]

Perhaps they aren't dittoheads.

Perhaps they merely hold beliefs and opinions that differ from yours, and your inclination to label them dittoheads is rooted more in your own need to gain a sense of moral and intellectual superiority than any similarities to Rush Limbaugh they may actually exhibit.

Of course, if the crass generalization of your opposition is your only recourse in debate, it's very likely that your position is more tenuous than theirs.

that's gonna leave a mark.

[ShiningStar]

It's ok to admit being a listener. Even I listen to him occasionally. It helps me understand one of the major sources of hate and negative eneregy that fuels the conservative base.

Socialism doesn't frighten me, because as Karl Marx predicted in the 19th century, capitalist societies will invariably infuse socialist practices in order to keep capitalism alive. That is exactly what we are seeing today. The United States and its continual movement towards socialism has been going on for a long time. I doubt this will change either. It will take another national revolution to restore true capitalism. That's just my opinion.

Okay im done, i told you in plain sight and you still dont believe me. Now you just want to start stuff and if everyone blasts you for it, im all for it.

And if Socialism doesnt frighten you, than you must have missed France is every history class possible, but now im only believing you are saying stuff to create a battle. I have been honest and at least being civil much like everyone else and now that i am in their shoes fully, i understand why you are under fire.

[ShiningStar]

that's gonna leave a mark.

Scorpio really nailed it home on that one. Quick, simple, to the point.

[ScipioCowboy]

Whatever.

Dittoheads are easy to spot, even on a message board. And it has nothing to do with any specific beliefs. It has more to do with an uncontained hatred towards liberalism. You find me a liberal-hater who isn't a dittohead, I will find you a liar.

Let me get this straight:

According to you, people are dittoheads solely by virtue of vehement opposition to the American Left.

So Ron Paul is a dittohead?

You constantly lament the level of polarizing rhetoric within American politics. Yet, by viewing and labeling your opposition so myopically, you're simply perpetuating the polarization.

[VCDefectors]

Okay im done, i told you in plain sight and you still dont believe me. Now you just want to start stuff and if everyone blasts you for it, im all for it.

And if Socialism doesnt frighten you, than you must have missed France is every history class possible, but now im only believing you are saying stuff to create a battle. I have been honest and at least being civil much like everyone else and now that i am in their shoes fully, i understand why you are under fire.

I fail to see the problem here. I don't take offense to you being a Rush listener, why should you?

As far as socialism goes, I stopped living in fear of things I have no control over a long time ago. That's just how I happen to see it. I'm not trying to start a battle with you or anybody.

[bbgun]

Whatever.

Dittoheads are easy to spot, even on a message board. And it has nothing to do with any specific beliefs. It has more to do with an uncontained hatred towards liberalism. You find me a liberal-hater who isn't a dittohead, I will find you a liar.

Like your oft-repeated hatred for the military, or anyone who dares stand in the way of gay marriage? Heal thyself, hate boy.

[VCDefectors]

Let me get this straight:

According to you, people are dittoheads solely by virtue of vehement opposition to the American Left.

So Ron Paul is a dittohead?

You constantly lament the level of polarizing rhetoric within American politics. Yet, by viewing and labeling your opposition so myopically, you're simply perpetuating the polarization.

I got to admit to being a little surprised by this wall of denial concerning Rush Limbaugh. While I oppose his worldview, I see him as very articulate and has a tremendous talent in promoting his ideas. Why not give him a little credit here?

[ShiningStar]

Like your oft-repeated hatred for the military, or anyone who dares stand in the way of gay marriage? Heal thyself, hate boy.


He hates our military? Oh man. Wow, now that takes some serious nerve, or hate.

[VCDefectors]

He hates our military? Oh man. Wow, now that takes some serious nerve, or hate.

Don't listen to him. I don't hate anybody. He's upset at me for putting him on my personal ban list.

[iceberg]

Don't listen to him. I don't hate anybody. He's upset at me for putting him on my personal ban list.

you're not gonna cry now are you? you look so... so ... anime when you cry.

[ScipioCowboy]

I got to admit to being a little surprised by this wall of denial concerning Rush Limbaugh. While I oppose his worldview, I see him as very articulate and has a tremendous talent in promoting his ideas. Why not give him a little credit here?

Just as I'm surprised by your inability to offer a rebuttal that does not, in some way, attempt to associate your opposition with Rush Limbaugh.

Perhaps you should try to substantively rebut the argument that's been presented?

[bbgun]

He hates our military? Oh man. Wow, now that takes some serious nerve, or hate.

Like you wouldn't believe. He posted a profound faux public apology ... only to get right back on the hate train a week later.

[bbgun]

Don't listen to him. I don't hate anybody. He's upset at me for putting him on my personal ban list.

:lmao:

I opened up a bottle of bubbly when that happened.

[iceberg]

Just as I'm surprised by your inability to offer a rebuttal that does not, in some way, attempt to associate your opposition with Rush Limbaugh.

Perhaps you should try to substantively rebut the argument that's been presented?

and clear the fog he's so carefully trying to put into place???

PEE-SHAW!

[ThaBigP]

you're not gonna cry now are you? you look so... so ... anime when you cry.

Don't you understand Progressivethink? Progressives don't hate anybody. In fact, they believe that it's perfectly legal...for the time being...to be a "hate filled source of negative energy" if you want. This is right up there in the Backhanded Tollerance Hall of Fame with the organizer of anti-Israeli protests in Ft Lauderdale a while back...who had the actual nerve to say with a straight face: (paraphrasing, can't remember the *precise* quote off the top of my head) "This protest is not about hate! This is just us standing up against all the dirty, rotten, filthy, stinking JEWS!"

[VCDefectors]

Just as I'm surprised by your inability to offer a rebuttal that does not, in some way, attempt to associate your opposition with Rush Limbaugh.

Perhaps you should try to substantively rebut the argument that's been presented?

Perhaps you can help me with this. Show me where these arguments are substantially different than what you would find on the Rush Limbaugh show. If you can do that, I would be more than happy to retract my statements concerning dittoheads and I will post apologies accordingly.

[ShiningStar]

Perhaps you can help me with this. Show me where these arguments are substantially different than what you would find on the Rush Limbaugh show. If you can do that, I would be more than happy to retract my statements concerning dittoheads and I will post apologies accordingly.


Its like watching a dance. You can see the feet flying either that or he has incredible dexterity.

[VCDefectors]

Don't you understand Progressivethink? Progressives don't hate anybody. In fact, they believe that it's perfectly legal...for the time being...to be a hate filled source of negative energy if you want. This is right up there in the Backhanded Acceptance Hall of Fame as the organizer of anti-Israeli protests in Ft Lauderdale a while back...who had the actual nerve to say with a straight face: (paraphrasing, can't remember the *precise* quote off the top of my head) "This protest is not about hate! This is just us standing up against all the dirty, rotten, filthy, stinking JEWS!"

If you are interested, I would like to help you improve your posting chops. Just send me a PM and I would be happy to help you get started on a journey towards posting mastery. As a bonus, I will even throw in some links to some great grammar websites. Act now!!

[ThaBigP]

Let me see if I get this straight....according to VC's logic, your opinions and worldview are AUTOMATICALLY discredited if they in any way, shape, or form resemble the opinions and worldview of Limbaugh in whole or in part...

But!!!

The same does NOT apply, of course, to VC's almost pornographically Orwellian devotion to Obama and his policies/opinions/worldview.

Again, VC....drop the facad. You're a total joke.

Progressivism 101 - simply pretend that it's been established that your opponents' opinions have been widely discredited...simply because you keep repeating that "they've been discredited".

[iceberg]

Perhaps you can help me with this. Show me where these arguments are substantially different than what you would find on the Rush Limbaugh show. If you can do that, I would be more than happy to retract my statements concerning dittoheads and I will post apologies accordingly.

how dare you bark orders and demands at another poster you hypocrite!

[iceberg]

Its like watching a dance. You can see the feet flying either that or he has incredible dexterity.

the lips move, but i can't hear what he says.

[ThaBigP]

the lips move, but i can't hear what he says.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH? :cool:

[iceberg]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH? :cool:

oh man - ain't nobody understand the words coming out of your mouth...

[ShiningStar]

the lips move, but i can't hear what he says.



:lmao::lmao2::lmao::lmao2:

[ShiningStar]

oh man - ain't nobody understand the words coming out of your mouth...

I only allowed you to think I didnt know what you were saying when i actually did understand what you were saying. I like to let people think what they want, that way i find out of full of -------

[ThaBigP]

oh man - ain't nobody understand the words coming out of your mouth...

I *should* have replied...

"when he was a child, he caught a fleeting glimpse...his hands felt just like two balloons..."

[iceberg]

I only allowed you to think I didnt know what you were saying when i actually did understand what you were saying. I like to let people think what they want, that way i find out of full of -------

ok jackie chan...

[ScipioCowboy]

Perhaps you can help me with this. Show me where these arguments are substantially different than what you would find on the Rush Limbaugh show. If you can do that, I would be more than happy to retract my statements concerning dittoheads and I will post apologies accordingly.

Your entire premise here is faulty. There's no reason to even mention Rush Limbaugh. It isn't pertinent to the discussion. You can either refute the substance of your opponent's argument, or you can't.

Incessantly evoking Rush Limbaugh only serves these purposes: to mask the weaknesses within your own argument, and to obfuscate your own poor command of the facts.

[DIAF]

so I guess Rush Limbaugh is the new Godwin.

You know, over at when a poster (like VC) gets so annoying, the mods make it so no one can see their posts...except for the poster themselves. They post and post and post but have no idea that no one can see a damn thing they say.

[ScipioCowboy]

so I guess Rush Limbaugh is the new Godwin.

You know, over at when a poster (like VC) gets so annoying, the mods make it so no one can see their posts...except for the poster themselves. They post and post and post but have no idea that no one can see a damn thing they say.

He's not that bad.:p:

None of his comments warrant banning, in my opinion. Besides, if he continues to put other posters on ignore at his current rate, he'll eventually be talking to himself anyway.

[JBond]

It's ok to admit being a listener. Even I listen to him occasionally. It helps me understand one of the major sources of hate and negative eneregy that fuels the conservative base.

Socialism doesn't frighten me, because as Karl Marx predicted in the 19th century, capitalist societies will invariably infuse socialist practices in order to keep capitalism alive. That is exactly what we are seeing today. The United States and its continual movement towards socialism has been going on for a long time. I doubt this will change either. It will take another national revolution to restore true capitalism. That's just my opinion.

Capitalist societies will invariably infuse socialist practices like Bush and Obama have/did? You are probably right. It is kinda sad.

oh well.

[Rowdy]

While you get some defective sleep VC, I decided to fix your broken rifle out of the goodness of my veteran heart.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9903/veterants4.jpg

[burmafrd]

You got to wonder about someone who just about everyone is owning still hangs around and asks for more. I have heard the term leading with your ching and putting a sign on your own back "Kick Me Please" but this is getting kind of ridiculous.

[Doomsday101]

I'll gladly support things I agree with and speak up when I disagree. I voted for Bush but when it came in immigration or the 700 billion bailout I was opposed to his ideals. Thus far the only significant things happening in the Obama administration is the 800 billion stimulus and the cabinet appointment. I disagree with much of the 800 billion being proposed and some of the cabinet members. I'm not looking or hoping for his failure but I will not support ideals that I disagree with it is as simple as that.

[JBond]

Quite a few on this board have already stated that they want to see this administration fail miserably. As if the administration failure would not affect 'America.' I've also heard this same sentiment in person from people that i associate with who happen to be on the far right side of the fence. The same people who were labeling people who opposed Bush's policies as unpatriotic.

I'm not interested in getting into a bipartisan debate with you bb, i was just annoyed because VCD seems to post this same thread once every week.

I guess it all depends on your definitions of success and failure.

[VCDefectors]

Your entire premise here is faulty. There's no reason to even mention Rush Limbaugh. It isn't pertinent to the discussion. You can either refute the substance of your opponent's argument, or you can't.

Incessantly evoking Rush Limbaugh only serves these purposes: to mask the weaknesses within your own argument, and to obfuscate your own poor command of the facts.

While invoking Rush is a shortcut in typing, it is an effective way of quickly getting to the point. That doesn't mean I don't back up my arguments when needed. I just choose not to overindulge in cutting and pasting from other Internet resources. I take a minimalist approach and cite sources only when necessary. There are too many people here who go too far the other way and will cut/paste/steal/borrow from anywhere on the Internet in order to try and sound smart.

Again, I'm surprised by the backlash here. I figured that most conservatives would be proud to be known as a dittohead. After all, it is considered to be a term of endearment between Rush and his listeners. In any case, I've yet to find a single point of differentiation between Rush Listeners and the conservative regulars that post here.

All I asked for is for someone to point out where the differences in beliefs are. Obviously, if you or somebody has a problem with being known as a Rush follower, listener, dittohead, or whatever, then that person should be able to easily explain where the differences are. I just find it to be rather disingenuous to have identical beliefs/views of the world and not give credit to one of the major influences of modern conservatism.

[VCDefectors]

Capitalist societies will invariably infuse socialist practices like Bush and Obama have/did? You are probably right. It is kinda sad.

oh well.

I'm talking about the history of capitalism, period. It's been pointed out by many economists and political philosophers that capitalism doesn't work without socialization (social engineering). It's a paradox, because the whole point behind capitalism is maximizing the opportunity for individual freedom, but to make capitalism work, you have to have cooperation, and that requires a sacrifice of individual freedom.

[ShiningStar]

Again, I'm surprised by the backlash here. I figured that most conservatives would be proud to be known as a dittohead. After all, it is considered to be a term of endearment between Rush and his listeners. In any case, I've yet to find a single point of differentiation between Rush Listeners and the conservative regulars that post here.




Is he just insulting anyone who doesnt agree with him?

[ShiningStar]

I'm talking about the history of capitalism, period. It's been pointed out by many economists and political philosophers that capitalism doesn't work without socialization (social engineering). It's a paradox, because the whole point behind capitalism is maximizing the opportunity for individual freedom, but to make capitalism work, you have to have cooperation, and that requires a sacrifice of individual freedom.

And where have you found this information?

[iceberg]

And where have you found this information?

in a place you really don't want to go...

[Rowdy]

And where have you found this information?

in a place you really don't want to go...

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8841/cosmgalaxylargenk4.jpg

[iceberg]

http://static.rbytes.net/full_screenshots/t/h/the-modern-planet-uranus-screensaver.jpg

[Dallas]

http://static.rbytes.net/full_screenshots/t/h/the-modern-planet-uranus-screensaver.jpg

http://www.cs.utah.edu/~luke/Images/rcinversion.jpg

[ScipioCowboy]

While invoking Rush is a shortcut in typing, it is an effective way of quickly getting to the point. That doesn't mean I don't back up my arguments when needed. I just choose not to overindulge in cutting and pasting from other Internet resources. I take a minimalist approach and cite sources only when necessary. There are too many people here who go too far the other way and will cut/paste/steal/borrow from anywhere on the Internet in order to try and sound smart.

Actually, it's far more than that. It's an associative propaganda technique known as name-calling. Because you're unable to rebut a certain argument in a substantive manner, you seek to associate that argument with various persons, concepts, or ideals that may carry a negative connotation.

In this case, you're forcing an association with Rush Limbaugh and Dittoheads.

Again, I'm surprised by the backlash here. I figured that most conservatives would be proud to be known as a dittohead. After all, it is considered to be a term of endearment between Rush and his listeners. In any case, I've yet to find a single point of differentiation between Rush Listeners and the conservative regulars that post here.

All I asked for is for someone to point out where the differences in beliefs are. Obviously, if you or somebody has a problem with being known as a Rush follower, listener, dittohead, or whatever, then that person should be able to easily explain where the differences are. I just find it to be rather disingenuous to have identical beliefs/views of the world and not give credit to one of the major influences of modern conservatism.Once again, your entire premise is faulty. By definition, a dittohead is someone who listens to the Rush Limbaugh show. If a person does not listen to Rush Limbaugh, he or she cannot be described as a dittohead.

Furthermore, a person is not a dittohead simply because he or she happens to share some views with Rush Limbaugh. Answer me these questions:

Is Ron Paul a dittohead simply because he believes in smaller government, like Rush?

Is it fair to say all atheists are Communists because both ideologies deny the existence of God?

If your answer to either question is "no," your above premise is faulty.

[VCDefectors]

Actually, it's far more than that. It's an associative propaganda technique known as name-calling. Because you're unable to rebut a certain argument in a substantive manner, you seek to associate that argument with various persons, concepts, or ideals that may carry a negative connotation.

In this case, you're forcing an association with Rush Limbaugh and Dittoheads.

Once again, your entire premise is faulty. By definition, a dittohead is someone who listens to the Rush Limbaugh show. If a person does not listen to Rush Limbaugh, he or she cannot be described as a dittohead.

Furthermore, a person is not a dittohead simply because he or she happens to share some views with Rush Limbaugh. Answer me these questions:

Is Ron Paul a dittohead simply because he believes in smaller government, like Rush?

Is it fair to say all atheists are Communists because both ideologies deny the existence of God?

If your answer to either question is "no," your above premise is faulty.

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system).

Now, again back to you. Demonstrate where the differences in beliefs are and I am prepared to rescind using that term. As of yet, you have only evaded the challenge. I'm still waiting...

[zrinkill]

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system).

Now, again back to you. Demonstrate where the differences in beliefs are and I am prepared to rescind using that term. As of yet, you have only evaded the challenge. I'm still waiting...

No one has to prove anything to you troll.

You have never had the intestinal fortitude to answer a direct challenge ..... why should they bother with you?

[Doomsday101]

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system).

Now, again back to you. Demonstrate where the differences in beliefs are and I am prepared to rescind using that term. As of yet, you have only evaded the challenge. I'm still waiting...

Not all of us republican listen to Rush or pay attention to Rush. In the past when I have heard him talk he normally starts off with a statement I agree with but most of the time he takes those agreement one or two steps to far. So if you really think Rush has some controlling power over conservatives you are a bit mislead.

[Dallas]

Not all of us republican listen to Rush or pay attention to Rush. In the past when I have heard him talk he normally starts off with a statement I agree with but most of the time he takes those agreement one or two steps to far. So if you really think Rush has some controlling power over conservatives you are a bit mislead.

Agreed. I never listen to Rush. Some things I agree w/ him on and others are completely opposite.

[VCDefectors]

Not all of us republican listen to Rush or pay attention to Rush. In the past when I have heard him talk he normally starts off with a statement I agree with but most of the time he takes those agreement one or two steps to far. So if you really think Rush has some controlling power over conservatives you are a bit mislead.

Ah, then perhaps you would be willing to demonstrate where the specific differences are, as Scipio hasn't been able to come up with anything. If what you and a few others contend is true, some examples should be readily available. I'd just like to know what those differences are, that's all.

[VCDefectors]

Agreed. I never listen to Rush. Some things I agree w/ him on and others are completely opposite.

Such as?

[Doomsday101]

Ah, then perhaps you would be willing to demonstrate where the specific differences are, as Scipio hasn't been able to come up with anything. If what you and a few others contend is true, some examples should be readily available. I'd just like to know what those differences are, that's all.

As I said I have not listened to Rush in years, last time I saw him or heard him talk was on ESPN. I don't care what Rush says I don't live by what Rush says or form an opinion by what Rush or anyone else says. I have my own mind and can make my own judgement of how I feel about certain topics or political events. I am a republican but do not always agree with my own party

[iceberg]

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system).

Now, again back to you. Demonstrate where the differences in beliefs are and I am prepared to rescind using that term. As of yet, you have only evaded the challenge. I'm still waiting...

so let me get this straight - if an individual coins a term to call people who share their belief, all people are that term whether they like it or not?

i'll stop here. common sense has never worked on you before, i have no faith it would now.

[iceberg]

Ah, then perhaps you would be willing to demonstrate where the specific differences are, as Scipio hasn't been able to come up with anything. If what you and a few others contend is true, some examples should be readily available. I'd just like to know what those differences are, that's all.

why? you wouldn't get it.

[VCDefectors]

As I said I have not listened to Rush in years, last time I saw him or heard him talk was on ESPN. I don't care what Rush says I don't live by what Rush says or form an opinion by what Rush or anyone else says. I have my own mind and can make my own judgement of how I feel about certain topics or political events. I am a republican but do not always agree with my own party

My offer still stands to anyone who can articulate any specific differences between your average dittohead and your particular brand of conservative beliefs. So far, Doomsday101 and Scipio can't seem to accomplish what I thought would be an easy task.

[ABQCOWBOY]

My offer still stands to anyone who can articulate any specific differences between your average dittohead and your particular brand of conservative beliefs. So far, Doomsday101 and Scipio can't seem to accomplish what I thought would be an easy task.

What's the difference between Left Leaning Wingnuts who dress up in Nancy Pelosi dresses and play 24x7 re-broadcasts of President Obama's inaguration speech and Democrats who share some of the Liberal Progressive ideas the President and the Democratic leadership in Congress are trying to get passed into Law?


Hopefully, you can see how rediculous this sort of thing is.

:)

[Rogah]

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system). That is not an accurate definition. You can't say "Limbaugh coined the term" and then provide your own made-up definition.

Dittoheads - Faithful listeners to The Rush Limbaugh Show.[24] (http://rushlimbaughshow.blogspot.com/2006/01/dittoheads-guide-to-adult-beverages.html) As Limbaugh often explains in his books and radio show, these are not necessarily those who agree with his views. Rather, he believes they are people who love the show and what he's doing, and hope he never stops doing it. The term came into use because callers would frequently begin by giving praise and thanks to Limbaugh. Knowing that the caller’s and listener’s time is valuable, one caller simply said roughly "ditto to what those guys said (how much they enjoyed the show)." Thereafter, callers were encouraged to simply say, “Dittos,” and then get right to their point. Thus, long-time listeners would begin their calls with “Dittos, Rush,” leading to the term “dittoheads.” The term is also used pejoratively by critics of Limbaugh, who claim that his listeners simply copy his political views without any independent thought.

[Dallas]

That is not an accurate definition. You can't say "Limbaugh coined the term" and then provide your own made-up definition.

Dittoheads - Faithful listeners to The Rush Limbaugh Show.[24] (http://rushlimbaughshow.blogspot.com/2006/01/dittoheads-guide-to-adult-beverages.html) As Limbaugh often explains in his books and radio show, these are not necessarily those who agree with his views. Rather, he believes they are people who love the show and what he's doing, and hope he never stops doing it. The term came into use because callers would frequently begin by giving praise and thanks to Limbaugh. Knowing that the caller’s and listener’s time is valuable, one caller simply said roughly "ditto to what those guys said (how much they enjoyed the show)." Thereafter, callers were encouraged to simply say, “Dittos,” and then get right to their point. Thus, long-time listeners would begin their calls with “Dittos, Rush,” leading to the term “dittoheads.” The term is also used pejoratively by critics of Limbaugh, who claim that his listeners simply copy his political views without any independent thought.


Now nobody on here is doing that last part. Right?




RIGHT ???? :eek:

[VCDefectors]

What's the difference between Left Leaning Wingnuts who dress up in Nancy Pelosi dresses and play 24x7 re-broadcasts of President Obama's inaguration speech and Democrats who share some of the Liberal Progressive ideas the President and the Democratic leadership in Congress are trying to get passed into Law?


Hopefully, you can see how rediculous this sort of thing is.

:)

Just keep in mind that I made an offer that still stands.

[VCDefectors]

That is not an accurate definition. You can't say "Limbaugh coined the term" and then provide your own made-up definition.

Dittoheads - Faithful listeners to The Rush Limbaugh Show.[24] (http://rushlimbaughshow.blogspot.com/2006/01/dittoheads-guide-to-adult-beverages.html) As Limbaugh often explains in his books and radio show, these are not necessarily those who agree with his views. Rather, he believes they are people who love the show and what he's doing, and hope he never stops doing it. The term came into use because callers would frequently begin by giving praise and thanks to Limbaugh. Knowing that the caller’s and listener’s time is valuable, one caller simply said roughly "ditto to what those guys said (how much they enjoyed the show)." Thereafter, callers were encouraged to simply say, “Dittos,” and then get right to their point. Thus, long-time listeners would begin their calls with “Dittos, Rush,” leading to the term “dittoheads.” The term is also used pejoratively by critics of Limbaugh, who claim that his listeners simply copy his political views without any independent thought.

So, the term dittohead has evolved to have a couple of different meanings. That's fine. My offer still stands. Are there any conservatives on this board that can clearly articulate specific differences between their beliefs and the average Rush Limbaugh listener? I'm still waiting...

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm not forcing anything. The term dittohead originated from the Rush Limbaugh show, as he coined the term himself (referring to callers that parroted his belief system).

Now, again back to you. Demonstrate where the differences in beliefs are and I am prepared to rescind using that term. As of yet, you have only evaded the challenge. I'm still waiting...

Actually, I confronted your challenge head on, eviscerated it, and exposed it for the poorly conceived propaganda technique that it is.

As I've already demonstrated, your challenge is rooted in the faulty premise that anybody who harbors beliefs similar to Rush is a dittohead. Proceeding under this same logic, I can reasonably conclude that all atheists are Communists because both share the belief that God does not exist.

And speaking of "evading challenges," I should mention that you avoided my question. So, I'll pose it once again:

Are all atheists also Communists?

I patiently await your answer.

[Rogah]

So, the term dittohead has evolved to have a couple of different meanings. That's fine. My offer still stands. Are there any conservatives on this board that can clearly articulate specific differences between their beliefs and the average Rush Limbaugh listener? I'm still waiting...The offer seems to be a bit of circular reasoning. I don't listen to Limbaugh enough to know what beliefs, if any, he has that differs from mainstream Conservatives.

Essentially you're question is (paraphrasing): "I challenge any conservative on this board to articulate differences between themselves and the average conservative." So I have to confess I don't know what the point of your challenge is.

[VCDefectors]

Actually, I confronted your challenge head on, eviscerated it, and exposed it for the poorly conceived propaganda technique that it is.

As I've already demonstrated, your challenge is rooted in the faulty premise that anybody who harbors beliefs similar to Rush is a dittohead. Proceeding under this same logic, I can reasonably conclude that all atheists are Communists because both share the belief that God does not exist.

And speaking of "evading challenges," I should mention that you avoided my question. So, I'll pose it once again:

Are all atheists also Communists?

I patiently await your answer.

What you attempted to do (poorly I might add) is discredit the question in lieu of answering it. Nice try.

For those just tuning in, let's review this. Some here are offended being labeled as a dittohead. So I made an offer to rescind the label if they could provide me a specific example of how their political beliefs differ from the stereotype Rush Limbaugh listener. So far, there have been replies containing excuses, evasive retorts, but no specific examples.

I honestly thought there would be someone here who could easily fulfill such a simple request, but no one has stepped up to the plate.

OK, now I will answer your irrelevant question. No, not all athiests are communists, as there are libertarians out there who don't believe in God. How this is relevant to this discussion, I have no idea.

[ScipioCowboy]

What you attempted to do (poorly I might add) is discredit the question in lieu of answering it. Nice try.

For those just tuning in, let's review this. Some here are offended being labeled as a dittohead. So I made an offer to rescind the label if they could provide me a specific example of how their political beliefs differ from the stereotype Rush Limbaugh listener. So far, there have been replies containing excuses, evasive retorts, but no specific examples.

I honestly thought there would be someone here who could easily fulfill such a simple request, but no one has stepped up to the plate.

OK, now I will answer your irrelevant question. No, not all athiests are communists, as there are libertarians out there who don't believe in God. How this is relevant to this discussion, I have no idea.

Good job. You've just discredited your own challenge.

Although atheism is a central tenant of Communism, not all communists are atheists because Communism incorporates more beliefs than just atheism. Similarly, although sharing beliefs with Rush is an integral part of being a dittohead, not everyone who shares beliefs with Rush is a dittohead because a dittohead, by definition, must listen to Rush on a regular basis.

Your question has been thoroughly discredited (quite effectively, I might add), and a discredited question is not worthy of an answer because it proceeds under a false premise. Case in point:

Have you stopped beating your wife?

[MetalHead]

What you attempted to do (poorly I might add) is discredit the question in lieu of answering it. Nice try.

For those just tuning in, let's review this. Some here are offended being labeled as a dittohead. So I made an offer to rescind the label if they could provide me a specific example of how their political beliefs differ from the stereotype Rush Limbaugh listener. So far, there have been replies containing excuses, evasive retorts, but no specific examples.

I honestly thought there would be someone here who could easily fulfill such a simple request, but no one has stepped up to the plate.

OK, now I will answer your irrelevant question. No, not all athiests are communists, as there are libertarians out there who don't believe in God. How this is relevant to this discussion, I have no idea.

If you have half the posters on ignore and choose to insult the ones who still take you seriously(why?),then expect nothing but the obvious hint.
Get lost ,kid.

[VCDefectors]

Good job. You've just discredited your own challenge.

Although atheism is a central tenant of Communism, not all communists are atheists because Communism incorporates more beliefs than just atheism. Similarly, although sharing beliefs with Rush is an integral part of being a dittohead, not everyone who shares beliefs with Rush is a dittohead because a dittohead, by definition, must listen to Rush on a regular basis.

Your question has been thoroughly discredited (quite effectively, I might add), and a discredited question is not worthy of an answer because it proceeds under a false premise. Case in point:

Have you stopped beating your wife?

All you did is put your own spin on my question in order to evade it. If you can't or won't answer the question, maybe it's time for you to move it on up to the next thread. Your pathetic attempts at discrediting the question are exactly that. Move it or lose it!

[trickblue]

So, the term dittohead has evolved to have a couple of different meanings. That's fine. My offer still stands. Are there any conservatives on this board that can clearly articulate specific differences between their beliefs and the average Rush Limbaugh listener? I'm still waiting...

I've probably heard Limbaugh 4-5 times in the last few years...

The problem is that you are labeling any Conservative a "dittohead"...

It's not that they are or aren't... it's just how you choose to label them that way in a derogatory manner...

It wouldn't be hard to label you a Communist (or anything else) in that I can bend your beliefs to forge any image I want to see of you. I don't think you are a Commie, but I could certainly make a case to label you one. Doesn't mean it's accurate... and labeling all Conservatives "dittoheads" is no more accurate.

True Conservatives are very free thinkers and can't be put in one category... it's the true Liberals that take their direction from someone else...

[VCDefectors]

The problem is that you are labeling any Conservative a "dittohead"...

Actually, I was confining my question to the conservatives that reside here in the PZ. Perhaps that's where the miscommunication seems to be occuring, as Scipio seems to be tripping over the same wire.

[ScipioCowboy]

All you did is put your own spin on my question in order to evade it. If you can't or won't answer the question, maybe it's time for you to move it on up to the next thread. Your pathetic attempts at discrediting the question are exactly that. Move it or lose it!

Actually, the question has already been discredited, thoroughly.

And I intend to stay right here, in this thread, reminding you of it until you admit both your error and your faulty logic.

I suggest you get comfortable.;)

[ThaBigP]

I've probably heard Limbaugh 4-5 times in the last few years...

The problem is that you are labeling any Conservative a "dittohead"...

It's not that they are or aren't... it's just how you choose to label them that way in a derogatory manner...

It wouldn't be hard to label you a Communist (or anything else) in that I can bend your beliefs to forge any image I want to see of you. I don't think you are a Commie, but I could certainly make a case to label you one. Doesn't mean it's accurate... and labeling all Conservatives "dittoheads" is no more accurate.

True Conservatives are very free thinkers... it's the true Liberals that take their direction from someone else...

I'll keep screaming this from the mountaintops as long as my lungs will let me..

FALSE PREMISE!

The premise VC is trying to thrust forth is that it has already been long established that Limbaugh is wrong/discredited. Simply because VC and those like him say so....over and over and over and over and over... No specifics mind you...you see no debate need be had...not with unenlightened, neanderthal nuckle-draggers.

Therefore, as a good little Progressive, that first false premise then leads to yet another...that anyone whose opinions or worldview in any way shape or form resemble Limbaugh's in whole or in part are therefore also simply revealing their lack of credibility. They have revealed themselves to be "unevolved", or "unsophisticated"...not "worldly" enough...in fact, quite ready for a cage in a zoo to be gawked at by more enlightened passers-by.

Facts (or rather perspectives) that VC is wise to leave undisturbed by intellectual probing might be....perhaps it's not that Conservatives are all little Limbaughs...could it not simply be that Limbaugh....is a conservative?

In addition, the "discredited because I say so" rule obviously does NOT apply to VC and the like's salivating devotion to Obama and HIS opinions/worldview. No no. You see, "Obama is correct...he's enlightened...because he shares MY opinions and worldview."

[ScipioCowboy]

Actually, I was confining my question to the conservatives that reside here in the PZ. Perhaps that's where the miscommunication seems to be occuring, as Scipio seems to be tripping over the same wire.

Whom you were addressing is largely irrelevant. If a person does not listen to Rush, that person is not a dittohead. Period.

[VCDefectors]

Actually, the question has already been discredited, thoroughly.

And I intend to stay right here, in this thread, reminding you of it until you admit both your error and your faulty logic.

I suggest you get comfortable.;)

You could easily discredit the question by answering it with specific examples of how YOUR political beliefs differ from the stereotype Dittohead. Go ahead, give it a try. It won't hurt you.

[MetalHead]

You could easily discredit the question by answering it with specific examples of how YOUR political beliefs differ from the stereotype Dittohead. Go ahead, give it a try. It won't hurt you.

You could not hurt a fly.
And I know you have tried.

[ScipioCowboy]

You could easily discredit the question by answering it with specific examples of how YOUR political beliefs differ from the stereotype Dittohead. Go ahead, give it a try. It won't hurt you.

I tell you what.

You admit that you were wrong in your initial application of the word dittohead, and I'll answer your new, revised question.

Deal?

[VCDefectors]

I tell you what.

You admit that you were wrong in your initial application of the word dittohead, and I'll answer your new, revised question.

Deal?

PM me and we'll discuss.

[ScipioCowboy]

PM me and we'll discuss.
:laugh2:

[iceberg]

PM me and we'll discuss.

coward.

[MetalHead]

coward.

Big time.

[ThaBigP]

coward.

This is right up there with the Congressperson (can't remember her name) that DEMANDED! a secret meeting to discuss her opinion about taking away people's right to a secret ballot in voting for unionization.

[bbgun]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6905/rushscare600x445jq2.jpg

[Doomsday101]

My offer still stands to anyone who can articulate any specific differences between your average dittohead and your particular brand of conservative beliefs. So far, Doomsday101 and Scipio can't seem to accomplish what I thought would be an easy task.

How can I give a difference if I don't listen to him? I really have no idea what he is talking about right now. I know he thinks the stimulus is a bad deal but then so do 11 democrats are they so called dittoheads as well? I somewhat agree with Obama about capping CEO pay whose company gets bailout money at least until that money is paid back. How does Rush feel about that? You tell me evidently you listen to him more than I do

[VCDefectors]

How can I give a difference if I don't listen to him? I really have no idea what he is talking about right now. I know he thinks the stimulus is a bad deal but then so do 11 democrats are they so called dittoheads as well? I somewhat agree with Obama about capping CEO pay whose company gets bailout money at least until that money is paid back. How does Rush feel about that? You tell me evidently you listen to him more than I do

If you ever find the time, you should listen to one of his shows just to see if there is anything you disagree with. But I digress.

I suppose that you, Scipio, and others are right about not all conservatives being dittoheads, even if there is an almost perfect match in beliefs. It was fun pushing the envelope on that one because I do find it ironic that there are conservatives who profess not listening to Rush Limbaugh yet can't identify a single thing they disagree with. And yes the point you guys have been trying to make has been noted.

The only two things I've ever been aware of that were controversial among Rush listeners was his comments about black QBs and his addiction to painkillers and cigars.

[iceberg]

If you ever find the time, you should listen to one of his shows just to see if there is anything you disagree with. But I digress.

I suppose that you, Scipio, and others are right about not all conservatives being dittoheads, even if there is an almost perfect match in beliefs. It was fun pushing the envelope on that one because I do find it ironic that there are conservatives who profess not listening to Rush Limbaugh yet can't identify a single thing they disagree with. And yes the point you guys have been trying to make has been noted.

The only two things I've ever been aware of that were controversial among Rush listeners was his comments about black QBs and his addiction to painkillers and cigars.

um...boywonder - if i don't listen to rush, how can i identify what i don't agree with?

i'm not sure why you're so bored you gotta make crap up and try to spin people in circles, but i long for the day puberty is over and you find something better to do because all you EVER do is "push the envelope".

please push it too far soon. for the good of us all.

[bbgun]

Honestly, I haven't listened to Rush in years. I have no idea where he is on the dial in the DC area. If Drudge links to one of Rush's transcripts, I might read one of those, but that's about it. In short, I don't need anyone to reinforce what I already believe.

[BrAinPaiNt]

This guy sure hooks a lot of fish when he throws his line in the water.

[iceberg]

This guy sure hooks a lot of fish when he throws his line in the water.

guilty here. i need to watch that so i'm guilty of what i'm yelling at. : )

[bbgun]

guilty here. i need to watch that so i'm guilty of what i'm yelling at. : )

To VCD, all conservatives are cartoonish, empty-headed vessels who take all their marching orders from Rush. Of course, he's a piker compared to Obama when it comes to inspiring creepy, "cult-like" behavior.

[ScipioCowboy]

How can I give a difference if I don't listen to him? I really have no idea what he is talking about right now. I know he thinks the stimulus is a bad deal but then so do 11 democrats are they so called dittoheads as well? I somewhat agree with Obama about capping CEO pay whose company gets bailout money at least until that money is paid back. How does Rush feel about that? You tell me evidently you listen to him more than I do

You've identified the faulty premise upon which the question is based. It's similar to asking, "have you stopped beating your wife?"

[ScipioCowboy]

This guy sure hooks a lot of fish when he throws his line in the water.

A more appropriate analogy would be that he jumped in shark-infested waters, naked and bleeing, armed with only a pea shooter.:p:

[iceberg]

A more appropriate analogy would be that he jumped in shark-infested waters, naked and bleeing, armed with only a pea shooter.:p:

if he was serious in what he posts, sure. but he's not. he's not jumping in, he's throwing crap on the water and giggling at how it gets eaten up when all the while he knows it's crap.

[BrAinPaiNt]

if he was serious in what he posts, sure. but he's not. he's not jumping in, he's throwing crap on the water and giggling at how it gets eaten up when all the while he knows it's crap.

Yep he is chumming the waters and the sharks come a running/swimming.

[zrinkill]

Yep he is chumming the waters and the sharks come a running/swimming.


Eventually he is gonna end up just like Quint.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Eventually he is gonna end up just like Quint.

Yep...:ohboy:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Eventually he is gonna end up just like Quint.


Go around hunting Porkers and it's bound to happen.

:laugh2:

[zrinkill]

Yep...:ohboy:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/Jaws.jpg

[Dallas]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/zrinkill/Jaws.jpg

"We're gonna need a bigger boat."

http://i38.tinypic.com/2622v75.jpg

[VCDefectors]

Yep...:ohboy:

That's not very nice, but I can handle a little flack from you. Like I said, I do try to listen to other point of views out there and I'm willing to change course if the evidence that presents itself warrants it.

[zrinkill]

That's not very nice, but I can handle a little flack from you. Like I said, I do try to listen to other point of views out there and I'm willing to change course if the evidence that presents itself warrants it.


If you act like a troll you should not be surprised when you are treated like one.