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trickblue
02-06-2009, 06:07 PM
God help us all...

Link (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D966CBB02&show_article=1)

Officials say tentative stimulus deal reached
Feb 6 06:15 PM US/Eastern
By ANDREW TAYLOR
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Amid stunning new job losses and yet another bank failure, key senators and the White House reached tentative agreement Friday night on an economic stimulus measure at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan. Two officials said the emerging agreement was for a bill with a $780 billion price tag, but there was no immediate confirmation.

The tentative agreement capped a tense day of back room negotiations in which Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, joined by White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, sought to attract the support of enough Republicans to give the measure the needed 60-vote majority.

Officials strongly suggested that Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's vote would be needed to assure passage. The Massachusetts Democrat, battling a brain tumor, has been in Florida in recent days and has not been in the Capitol since suffering a seizure on Inauguration Day more than two weeks ago. The senator's office did not comment.

Reid met privately in the Capitol with members of his rank-and-file to present the proposed deal.

At $780 billion, the legislation would be smaller than the measure that cleared the House on a party-line vote last week. It also would mean a sharp cut from the bill that has been the subject of Senate debate for a week. That measure stood at $937 billion.

Beyond the numbers, though, any agreement would mark a victory for the new president and would keep Democratic leaders on track to fulfill their promise of delivering him a bill to sign by the end of next week.

Earlier Friday, Obama said further delay would be "inexcusable and irresponsible" given the worst monthly jobs report in a generation—598,000 positions lost in January and the national unemployment rate rising to 7.6 percent. Late in the day federal regulators announced the closure of First Bank Financial Services in Georgia, the seventh failure this year of a federally insured bank.

At the Capitol, the tension was thick.

"The world is waiting to see what we're going to do in the next 24 hours," said Reid who has spent much of the week trying to balance demands among moderates in both parties with pressure for a larger bill from liberals in his own rank and file.

By midday, the majority leader had spoken once with Obama by phone and five times with Emanuel. He met with Republican Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, but it was not immediately clear whether a deal was within reach.

"We're clearly not there yet," said Collins, who had met with Obama at the White House earlier in the week. "I'm still hopeful that we can achieve a compromise because the stakes are high and the goal is important."

The bill's price tag stood at $937 billion, an enormous total that has risen in recent days with the addition of tax breaks for consumers who purchase homes or cars.

One Republican-proposed document outlined proposed cuts of more than $85 billion. Most of that _$60 billion—would come from money Democrats want to send to the states to avoid budget cuts for schools as well as law enforcement and other programs.

Talk of cuts in proposed education funds triggered a counterattack from advocates of school spending as well as unhappiness among Democrats.

One, Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, told reporters he and others hoped that some of the funds on the chopping block would be restored next week when negotiations open on a House-Senate compromise.

At its core, the legislation is designed to ease the worst economic recession in generations, and combines hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending with tax cuts. Much of the money would go for victims of the recession in the form of food stamps, unemployment compensation and health care. There are funds, as well, for construction of highways and bridges.

But the administration also decided to use the bill to make a down payment on key domestic initiatives, including creation of a new health technology industry and so-called green jobs designed to make the country less dependent on imported oil.

And Democrats in Congress decided to add additional huge sums for the states struggling with the recession, as well as billions more for favored programs such as parks, the repair of monuments in federal cemeteries, health and science research and more.

With Obama enjoying post-inauguration support in the polls and the economy shrinking, Democratic leaders in Congress have confidently predicted they would have a bill to the president's desk by mid-February.

But Republicans, freed of the need to defend former President George W. Bush's policies, have pivoted quickly to criticize the bill for its size and what they consider wasteful spending.

The entire Republican rank and file voted against the measure in the House, effectively prodding senators to take up the same cause.

In the intervening days, Republicans have appeared to catch the administration and its allies off-guard, holding up relatively small items for ridicule and routinely seizing on comments from Democrats critical of the House-passed bill.

At the same time, they have stressed a desire to help the economy but have said they prefer tax cuts and spending that would have a more immediate impact on job creation.

Democrats hold a 58-41 majority in the Senate, but 60 votes are needed for passage of the bill because it would raise the federal deficit.

Privately, Democrats in Congress have been critical of Obama and his aides for failing to counter the Republicans more effectively. In recent days, the president has sharpened his rhetoric against unnamed critics of the bill whom he accused of trying to re-establish the "failed policies" of the past eight years.

As Reid struggled to nail down the necessary votes, the White House announced Obama would travel to Florida and Indiana next week to campaign for a stimulus measure. Both states have Republican senators. The president also is scheduled to hold a prime-time news conference on Monday where questions about the economy are likely to dominate.

Despite the struggle, some Republicans seemed to sense the White House would ultimately prevail, and sought political mileage.

Obama "could have had a very, very impressive victory early on," said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who heads the Senate Republican campaign committee. "But this is not turning out to be an impressive victory. it is turning out to be a little bit of a black eye."

ChldsPlay
02-07-2009, 12:02 AM
Obama "could have had a very, very impressive victory early on," said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, who heads the Senate Republican campaign committee. "But this is not turning out to be an impressive victory. it is turning out to be a little bit of a black eye."


Who are these stupid people that look at a bill being passed as a victory? Does it not matter that it is a horrible bill and worsens the country? That is a major failure to me. I'm glad the Replubicans have stuck to their guns for the most part to point out to the public how bad this is and how bad the Dems and Obama are trying to screw everyone. It'll be disappointing though if even one Republican votes yes.

CowboyMcCoy
02-07-2009, 12:04 AM
What are the details of the education portion?

silverbear
02-07-2009, 12:34 AM
God help us all...

OK, Trick, lots of folks don't like the stimulus bill...

Now tell me, what would you propose as an alternative?? I suspect that your response would be what Obama calls "the failed policies of the past", but if you have another option to address the crisis we find ourselves in, I'd be interested to hear it...

The point is, we HAVE to do SOMETHING... and it seems to me that moderates from both parties have worked diligently to improve the original package...

silverbear
02-07-2009, 12:35 AM
Who are these stupid people that look at a bill being passed as a victory? Does it not matter that it is a horrible bill and worsens the country? That is a major failure to me. I'm glad the Replubicans have stuck to their guns for the most part to point out to the public how bad this is and how bad the Dems and Obama are trying to screw everyone. It'll be disappointing though if even one Republican votes yes.

I'm betting you couldn't give us an informed lecture on the provisions of the bill you're criticizing... I'm also betting you couldn't give us any kind of workable alternative to that bill...

trickblue
02-07-2009, 12:38 AM
OK, Trick, lots of folks don't like the stimulus bill...

Now tell me, what would you propose as an alternative?? I suspect that your response would be what Obama calls "the failed policies of the past", but if you have another option to address the crisis we find ourselves in, I'd be interested to hear it...

The point is, we HAVE to do SOMETHING... and it seems to me that moderates from both parties have worked diligently to improve the original package...

Do we? Is doing just "something" the answer... even if it is the wrong thing to do?

We complained (including you) about how much Bush spent. The left complains about how much Reagan spent... and they want to pass the biggest package in history? It seems to me that the 600,000 jobs Mr. Obama wants to create are going to be at the mint printing up money...

And if we do "something", why does it have to be pork-laden? Have you read this bill? The CBO has...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145810

silverbear
02-07-2009, 01:02 AM
Do we? Is doing just "something" the answer... even if it is the wrong thing to do?

No, let's let the banks fail, let tens of thousands of people lose their homes, let hundreds of thousands more people lose their jobs, and not do anything...

We complained (including you) about how much Bush spent. The left complains about how much Reagan spent... and they want to pass the biggest package in history?

I rather doubt they WANT to do this... in fact, this stimulus bill will pretty much kill any number of other legislative agendas they had, simply because there will be no money for them...

No, pal, I see this more as something that has been forced on them... now, I wouldn't feel SORRY for this administration, it's quite likely that the financial crisis was the straw that broke the McCain campaign's back and put Obama into the White House...

And if we do "something", why does it have to be pork-laden?

I think that the process we're seeing played out right now is designed to eliminate some of that... I also think that spending projects almost always fall into the category of "pork"... but tax cuts alone are not the answer, some SMART spending projects will also provide quick stimulus to the economy...

I do of course applaud the ongoing efforts to strip out the really offensive, frivolous pork... as I've said all along, the GOP is playing their role, that of the opposition party, nicely in this situation...

iceberg
02-07-2009, 01:05 AM
OK, Trick, lots of folks don't like the stimulus bill...

Now tell me, what would you propose as an alternative?? I suspect that your response would be what Obama calls "the failed policies of the past", but if you have another option to address the crisis we find ourselves in, I'd be interested to hear it...

The point is, we HAVE to do SOMETHING... and it seems to me that moderates from both parties have worked diligently to improve the original package...

what would i do?

let crap fall. take the hit.

pay our debt.

you tell me how anything being done now is a good long term answer.

burmafrd
02-07-2009, 01:06 AM
Sad as it is to say a lot of this money would be better of just being sent to the taxpayers as bonus checks. Then at least we would know that the people actually got the money.

Or give it to the states that are cutting services right now due to budget problems.

Either one would be probably better then what we will end up getting out of this "stimulus package"

silverbear
02-07-2009, 01:14 AM
what would i do?

let crap fall. take the hit.

pay our debt.

you tell me how anything being done now is a good long term answer.

First, you tell me how watching the economy collapse is a good long term answer... that's the "crap" that will fall, the "hit" we'll all take...

If you think the Great Depression was bad news, you ain't seen nothing compared to the misery that will ensue if we do nothing at this point in time...

Now, I can agree that we have to get serious about paying our debt, but first we have to get past this... I also have to ask how serious YOU are about that; are you willing to put up with tax INCREASES, if the added revenue is guaranteed to go to paying down the national debt??

I would, but only under that condition...

silverbear
02-07-2009, 01:17 AM
Sad as it is to say a lot of this money would be better of just being sent to the taxpayers as bonus checks. Then at least we would know that the people actually got the money.

Or give it to the states that are cutting services right now due to budget problems.

And yet, the Republicans have a problem with money that is currently being earmarked for the states in this stimulus package...

Guess you didn't get that particular right wing talking point...

ZeroClub
02-07-2009, 03:29 AM
God help us all...


Bush is gone. Prayer answered.

iceberg
02-07-2009, 08:40 AM
First, you tell me how watching the economy collapse is a good long term answer... that's the "crap" that will fall, the "hit" we'll all take...

If you think the Great Depression was bad news, you ain't seen nothing compared to the misery that will ensue if we do nothing at this point in time...

Now, I can agree that we have to get serious about paying our debt, but first we have to get past this... I also have to ask how serious YOU are about that; are you willing to put up with tax INCREASES, if the added revenue is guaranteed to go to paying down the national debt??

I would, but only under that condition...

and how are we going to get past *this* if we're spending $330mil on std education, $220mil on resodding the national mall, and other things such as this that line this bill.

this is money we're borrowing to fund programs we simply DO NOT NEED in a time like this.

do you think those 2 for example are worthy of borrowing more money?

the "something must be done" crowd w/o a valid well thought out plan is dangerous - even moreso in a dangerous time.

trickblue
02-07-2009, 11:05 AM
Bush is gone. Prayer answered.

Yes... he's everything that's wrong with America... :rolleyes: